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August 22, 2010

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MarkO

I don't have all the facts on this, but it seems to me the police acted stupidly.

Jack is Back!

Ah, gee, just when I thought TM would lead Sunday Morning with Krugman's infomercial for a solvent and growing Social Security trust.

Aren't the Egyptians still the 2nd largest recipient of American foreign aid as a bribe to keep the peace with Israel? I guess we'll have to wait for Emerson to release all the incriminatory tapes he has. Then I would love to see the Times spin those.

anduril

Republicans for Religious Freedom

By Steve Chapman
Ten years ago, Republicans in Congress passed a major law to protect the right of Muslims to establish mosques even where such a building might be unwelcome. Yes, they did. They just may not have thought of it quite that way at the time.

The law, called the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act (RLUIPA), was aimed at a common problem often ignored by the courts: local government bodies using zoning authority to prevent religious institutions from moving in or expanding their operations.

It had the support of such groups as the Christian Legal Society and the Family Research Council. Rep. Charles Canady, R-Fla., said it was aimed at "the well-documented and abusive treatment suffered by religious individuals and organizations in the land use context." Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, pushed it because, he said, "At the core of religious freedom is the ability for assemblies to gather and worship together."

Today, of course, that statute is a problem for anyone hoping that the city, state or federal government would take action to block an Islamic community center in lower Manhattan, commonly referred to as the Ground Zero mosque. Many of those opponents are happy to disregard both the law and the Constitution in their effort.

Not all critics of the plan endorse government intervention. ...

But other opponents are not so respectful of religious rights. Former Republican House Speaker Newt Gingrich said that permitting the construction of the center would show "weakness and submission" to our enemies.

...

But had the city used its landmarking power to kill the project, it would have faced a court challenge. And thanks to the 2000 law, it would probably lose.

The law says, "No government shall impose or implement a land use regulation in a manner that imposes a substantial burden on the religious exercise of a person, including a religious assembly or institution," unless it meets very strict conditions. Nor may any government inflict a regulation that discriminates "on the basis of religion or religious denomination."

Before this law, cities usually got away with such behavior, because zoning authority gives them broad discretion to hinder religious groups in the outwardly neutral guise of architectural preservation or traffic control. It wasn't hard to discriminate without being obvious enough to get in trouble.

...

Captain Hate

Aren't the Egyptians still the 2nd largest recipient of American foreign aid as a bribe to keep the peace with Israel?

I think they're fourth behind Afghanistan, Iraq and Israel; although finding anything definitive from recent years is a rough slog through google.

anduril

And lest we forget: Iraqi bishop says U.S. betrayed country, Christians suffer most.

Danube of Thought

Minus 17 at Raz today.

Extraneus

How long have we been funding this guy's travel?

Appalled

Frankly, Newt Gingrich has been an idiot on the Mosque issue -- drawing irrelevent analogies (the propriety of building a mosque near Ground Zero has nothing to do with whther Saudi Arabia will permit churches there) and offensive analogies (Muslims aren't Nazis -- really). I think a Republican or two would do themselves some good by refudiating him. (Sarah Palin is well positioned for this, as is W, should he care to speak.)

But, all in all, the source of funding of the mosque does not matter. The moderation or lack of moderation of the Imam can be debate. What matters is that a Mosque that is positioning itself near Ground Zero with a purported purpose of outreach to all those other communities that don't want them there. That is, shall we say, unwise on its face, and suggests other motives.

Uncle BigBad

And if, as they claim, it's not a "victory mosque," why would they name it "Cordoba Mosque?"

Danube of Thought

Who is investing in this project?

At this point, do we know that anyone is?

Clarice

When I last read about their finances,DoT, I found out that Gamal and rauf ahd about $17k and I don't think the 1/2 of the original five story bldg has been paid for yet. There is no architect and no fund --just a truly offensive notion.

Rob Crawford

Who is investing in this project?

At this point, do we know that anyone is?

The State Department seems to be pumping a lot of cash into it.

(Which suggests to me the Saudis are very supportive of it. State doesn't do anything to risk their Saudi Pensions.)

Pagar

Gateway Pundit

bunky

So the morning shows show that Paul Ryan is target one now. First Krugman, now meet the deuches.

Jane

The funding does matter - alot. The funders are the string pullers.

caro

Re: Pelosi

Any day now, I expect her to show up in an Italian designer straitjacket with a gavel embroidered on it.

Just one of the gems in today's Pieces.

Clarice on a roll!

Pagar

My 12:13 post dropped the word link about the Illegally voting alien fraud, that the Feds want to make a citizen, but the LUN works.

narciso

Appalled, Sarah is opposed, but her view is more out of sorrow than of triumphalism, Newt
does not make the proper distinction between
Wahhabism and the more extreme European philosophies of totalitarian bent

narciso

The UAE prince in the latest Reich novel, funding Salafism isn't far from ther truth,
in the LUN

Threadkiller

Boy oh boy, we sure don't want the government to involve themselves in such a way to discriminate against a religion.

But when it comes time to support a religion, or at least be ambiguous, use of taxpayer funds and time is no issue.

">http://the-classic-liberal.com/flight-93-memorial-crescent-mecca/"> Flight 93 Memorial Crescent Points to Mecca

The story is good enough to ask questions. The Feds(.gov website) preemptively answer them to make sure we know they already took sides and there is nothing we can do about it.

">http://www.nps.gov/flni/parkmgmt/upload/meetthearchitect.pdf"> Murdoch answers questions about Flight 93 Memorial Design

Q: What did you first think when you heard about the design controversy?
A: We suspected there might be some misinterpretation with the name of one of the memorial features. The degree of wild speculation, hysteria, hate and personal attack by some came as a surprise, as did some of the media’s complicity in seeking and promoting controversy.

Q: What is your response to the allegations of Islamic symbolism?
A: These allegations are self-serving propaganda driven by a closed-minded ideology that is blind to new meaning and form. Our design is an original and distinctly American memorial that honors the 40 heroes of United Flight 93
.
Q: Are there other specific allegations concerning the memorial or your participation in the process that you wish to address?
A: It is important to remember how much support this memorial enjoys. Tens of thousands of Americans have stepped forward to help build it. It is also heartening to know how much dedication, by the community, families, government and design team, there has been and continues to be.

Q: What do you think about Tom Burnett (father of Tom Burnett Jr., one of the Flight 93 passengers) continuing to speak against the design?
A: Nearly three years ago when we spoke directly, he was satisfied. I don’t know what changed in his mind but it is a shame he fails to see the design’s originality and true meaning.


People against this can only be doing this because they are filled with "hate", suffer from “hysteria”, and are “driven by a closed-minded ideology that is blind to new meaning and form.” The father of a victim is driven by something other than his own thoughts, so we should discredit him. Gee, sound familiar?

The actual shame is that the failure is always the problem of the observer, not the instigator.

I hope Obama steps in this one. He is good at explaining things to people who are beneath him.

Potential piece, Clarice?

Clarice

It's an interesting observation , tk. As you know, however, that tactic was unavailing and the design was changed.

Maybe the thing is most architects and most of the people put on these design panels are a bit airy fairy in their thinking and naturally want to use the dead to "reach out" to the supporters of those who murdered them.

Again--perhaps we ought to make more widely known to such masochists the online urls of folks who sell real s and m thingies so they can stop bothering the rest of us with this nonsense.

Clarice

It's an interesting observation , tk. As you know, however, that tactic was unavailing and the design was changed.

Maybe the thing is most architects and most of the people put on these design panels are a bit airy fairy in their thinking and naturally want to use the dead to "reach out" to the supporters of those who murdred them.

Again--perhaps we ought to make more widely known to such masochists the online urls of folks who sell real s and m thingies so they can stop bothering the rest of us with this nonsense.

peter

Threadkiller, Tom Murdoch, the architect of the Flight 93 mosque/memorial has never been straightforward about his design. Error Theory blog, which unfortunately, could be slightly better written has called Murdoch on his many lies previously. For example there were 40 passengers and crew murdered on Flight 93, and three terrorists, yet the memorial has 43 glass blocks to memorialize those killed. In other words, the terrorists are given the same honor as the victim. I personally tried to contact Murdoch, who is a fellow alumnus of the University of Virginia and have never received a response. The Flight 93 memorial is an atrocity. The Department of the Interior, which has jurisdiction over its building, (it is on Federal park land) has also stonewalled inquiries.

boris

"Muslims aren't Nazis ..."

IMO the relationship between moderate Germans and Nazis under Hitler is comparable to so called moderate muslims and jihadists. In fact WWII American Germans were probably more trustworthy than American muslims are now.

Moderation taken to extreem is no longer "moderate".

boris

When the family of the drunk driver who killed uncle John and aunt Mary wants to come to the funeral and perform an honorary dance on John and Mary's graves .... trying to figure out their motive is beside the point. Really.

PDinDetroit

Truly a clash of civilizations.

H/T President George W. Bush.

narciso

One of the little 'off' moments, in the Jo
Bernard piece, those rampaging mobs of Jewish youth around the time of the '67 war, Really, Bueller, Bueller

peter

I nearly choked on my pancakes reading this line from Moron Dowd's column this morning:

The unbottled anger and suspicion concerning ground zero show that many Americans haven’t flushed the trauma of 9/11 out of their systems — making them easy prey for fearmongers.

Yeah, why don't we just "flush the trauma of 9/11 out of " our systems. Tell that to the families of the victims.

Any other traumas we should flush out of our systems?

matt

MoDo is echoing the same sentiments in today's zany column. She mocks Limbaugh mocking Obama and Franklin Graham for his comments and tells us we are as a country having a nervous breakdown.

So now the meme is that we're all crazy because we don't blindly follow the concerned, 'we know better" crowd who have done such a great job leading this country.

Their tactic is to take the most extreme cases, including parody and out of context, and twist the facts to their narrative.

Dowd even trots out Moynihan's statement that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not to their own facts.

What gave me a chuckle was her use of Graham's assertion that in Islam, the child's faith is inherited through the father, which is perfectly valid.So even when a fact is staring her straight in the eye, she finds a way to dissemble.

The Times is losing Long Island, Jersey, and Brooklyn..It's sort of like watching as the Nazi Empire shrunk to the Tiergarten and Unter den Linden.

I am envisioning MetroSulz down in the bunker ranting at his editors...."Vy can't ve convince these verdammte lumpenproles of our natural superiority??? Everyone knows ve are ze paper of record!!"

narciso

This is the passage that raises eyebrows:

When the 1967 war broke out in the Middle East, Mr. Tolksdorf said, Mr. Abdul Rauf reacted calmly when Israeli students tried to pick a fight. A classmate, Alan M. Silberstein, remembers debating each day’s news over lunch.

centralcal

Any other traumas we should flush out of our systems?

Well, yes, peter, there are! Let's start with the NY Times. Lord knows, I have flushed entirely out of my system.

Janet

Any other traumas we should flush out of our systems?

That is rich...coming from the Watergate, McCarthy, Crusades, Katrina, disgraced former lobbiest Abramoff, constantly stuck on stupid left. Their whole world view is endless traumas that are blown out of proportion that they cling to for validation.

peter

One little spelling error in a headline kills the whole article for me. LUN

Captain Hate

..and tells us we are as a country having a nervous breakdown.

Finally MoDo opining on something into which she has some insight.

Captain Hate

One little spelling error in a headline kills the whole article for me.

Homonyms are not your friends, even with spellcheck.

narciso

Well they didn't intend it that way, but it is
a lesson, capt, one might even say a'teachable
moment'

Among the geniuses published at the Daily News today, is fellow named Kazem, who figures why some people think Obama might be Moslem, three guesses and the first two don't count, no not the Cairo speech,
condemning democracy in the Middle East not proclaiming that the call to prayer is beautiful, but simply because he is Black

Threadkiller

--"It's an interesting observation , tk. As you know, however, that tactic was unavailing and the design was changed.


The story is that this is a .gov website that gets to slam opponents with no avenue for retribution.

One point I am making is how similar the demonizing of the opposition is.


Can Utah make their memorial crosses odd shaped, to satisfy the people who see the cross as a religious symbol? They could make one side slightly shorter than the other, declare the memorial changed, and the ACLU lawyers will go away pleased because the crosses are not crosses. They are now just cross-like.

The changes to the crescent only make it crescent-like, so like a good little ACLU lawyer I won't see what is obvious.

Between the two religions it will never be an Abdul to Abdul argument.
It will always be Abdul to oranges.

Danube of Thought

Hell. Seventy-two days.

Donald

Two points:

Newt came to my high school in 1977 to speak. I was 17 didn't know squat except I didn't like him. Still don't. He's just another ugly guy who got into politics for money and better looking chicks.

Bet I'm the only one here who ever saw the Sex Pistols. Ceptin maybe Silver Whistle him being english and all.

caro

One little spelling error in a headline kills the whole article for me.

Too bad,it is correct in the first sentence. The next blog head has one of my pet peeves,using postal codes instead of the traditional state abbreviations in text. WA should be Wash.

And what's this "hugh" vs "huge" thing?

Captain Hate

Donald, I missed out on all the punk stuff (except one bud of mine dragged me to a U2 concert in a club that I didn't like very much) when it was happening. The only ones that I really feel a sense of loss about not seeing are Television (and the groups Richard Hell was in when he split from them) and the Clash. The Ramones and Buzzcocks would've been fun to see too.

anduril

Here's a transcript of a 2 hour long interview of Peter Hitchens by Hugh Hewitt. You can't skim, or get through it very quickly. It proceeds at a quite leisurely pace, and takes a while to really get into meaty topics. However, in the end they discuss many current issues from sometimes rather original perspectives. It's well worth the time. Peter Hitchens discusses the decline of Christianity in the West, and his book, The Rage Against God.

Danube of Thought

Never mind the bollocks.

narciso

Ken Pollack has a good piece in the Post, in the LUN

 Ann  Mongrel

Threadkiller:

I believe I owe you an explanation:

1) I admire your zealotry on the various questions pertaining to U.S. citizenship.

2) My inappropriate outburst was due to your comments calling Mark Levin a constitution denier, loudmouth, and expressing your hate for him because he didn't answer your emails.

Someone that you might want to write to is a Dr. John C. Eastman. He is the former Dean of Chapman University School of Law in Orange, California and is currently its Donald P. Kennedy Chair in Law. He is also the Director of the Center for Constitutional Jurisprudence, a public interest law firm affiliated with the Claremont Institute for the Study of Statesmanship and Political Philosophy.

Before joining the Chapman Law faculty, he served as a law clerk with Justice Clarence Thomas at the Supreme Court of the United States. After clerking for Justice Thomas, John C. Eastman practiced with the law firm Kirkland & Ellis, specializing in civil and constitutional litigation.Contact info: HERE

He recently wrote an article for the Daily Caller on citizenship: http://dailycaller.com/2010/08/20/linda-chavezs-misunderstanding-of-the-citizenship-clause/ ">Linda Chavezs Misunderstanding of the Citizenshop Clause

If you google his name and natural born citizen and/or dual citizenship you will find a ton of information that I believe confirms your beliefs. (Just a note: Mark Levin agrees with him too.)

Anyways, I should of been more even tempered and it has bothered me all week. I guess I am one of those mama grizzlies when it comes to patriots like Beck, Palin, RUSH and even loudmouthed Levin that have the courage to speak out. There are so few these days.

Regards, Ann

PD

Any other traumas we should flush out of our systems?

Can we classify MoDo herself as a trauma?

sbw

PDinDetroit: Truly a clash of civilizations.

Not so much. More a clash of cultures, with one of them invoking Machiavelli to overcome civilization.

So, sbw, he asks rhetorically, are you claiming that only your culture represents civilization?

Not at all, sbw responds in the third person, ask yourself what are the minimum requirements for society between cultures and you will discover that one side does not care for civilization. Mine does.

boris

"invoking Machiavelli ..."

ISTM more a combo of cargo cultism with post modernism. Which may be partially redundant.

narciso

Both Hitchens are good, sometimes Peter is too pessimistic, then living in Perfidious
Albion, we can see why he might think that just LUN it will you

matt

way back in my teenage days, I lived in NYC in the early/mid 70's and worked as an occasional roadie for my friend's glam rock band. I was the only one sober enough the plug in the cords so that no one got electrocuted, including myself. When not going to school, working, or sleeping I was in the clubs or the streets in the most exciting time in late 20th century NYC history. It was a semi-JD's playground.

The one band I refused to see was the Pistols. A friend was one of their first converts and I just thought they were a bunch of loser a -holes.Very affected, 2nd wave punk/new wave, which was a complete mish mosh at the time.

One night you'd get the Dictators and Ramones or the Dolls and the next Blondie and Richard Hell. The best was T Heads opening for Television.Uptown, it was Grandmaster Flash and early hip hop, and in the Summers at Wollman Rink we had the Schaefer Music Festival. Do they still brew Schaefer?

Living around the corner from Studio 54 for a short while was even more jarring.

It was a wild 4 years and an education in every facet beyond compare.

Donald

Captain,

Saw Richard Hell and the Voidoids. Like 'em.

Television was boring and sucked (Never got 'em).

The Clash were awesome when they were good (They got crappy).

The Ramones are the true kings of Rock and Roll. They were also the best guys according to my personal Rock God guitarist buddy (Warner Hodges!). Johnny Ramone was basically their business manager (He's a Republican with a capital R), and refused to go on to play one night when some shit head in Virginia wouldn't pay Warner's band (The awesome, incredible, Jason and the Nashville Scorchers).

Donald

Oh and a question.

I bought the new Carl Hiassen book yesterday, Brave New World (Can't believe I haven't read it) and Road to Serfdom.

I read the intro to Road to Serfdom and am overwhelmed. Is there a pay off to a cretin, small business owner, captialist by nature 50 year old guy like myself? Seriously, it looks tough.

Donald

I'm pretty jealous Matt.

The Pistols were bad, but incredible. Their fury was real and visceral. Just sayin.

Captain Hate

Donald, the stuff Hell did with Quine was primo stuff. Not sure why you didn't like Television but taste is subjective and I'm sure you have a good reason; I like the stuff Verlaine did on his own, especially the earlier recordings, but when they reformed Television it was just horrible to me and about as far from their best as you could get. Completely agree on the trajectory of the Clash and I don't think I've ever heard anybody say a bad thing about the Ramones.

matt, did you catch anything at the Knitting Factory at that time, like any of the stuff Zorn was doing, or was that too early?

Frau Steingehirn

LUN goes with narciso's earlier notice of Maria del Carmen Aponte's recess appointment. The IBD reveals why the best of moods can be spoiled by our Destroyer in Chief.

Ann, John Chapman ran for CA AG in the primary and lost perhaps because I could not vote for him more than once. What a gift to have such a man in office.

Donald

Robert Quine! His intro on White Light White Heat on the live Lou Reed album has been stuck in my mind since 1982.

Pagar

In case you missed It.
"Blagojevich won't rule out a return to Politics"

Extraneus

I was on the floor not ten feet from the Ramones the night I learned the hard way what slam dancing was.

Captain Hate

I think my favorite Quine playing is on "The Kid With the Replaceable Head"; the first time I heard that on my car cd player I must've hit repeat for a half hour. Just a marvelously inventive player who checked out wayyyy too early.

grammarpatrol

Grammar patrol . . . .

should OF, could OF, would OF (wince)

Should be:

should HAVE, could HAVE, would HAVE

glasater

I kinda like head banging music:-)

When I was dealing BJ I would flip the cards in rhythm with whatever was playing on stage.

Threadkiller

--"Threadkiller:

I believe I owe you an explanation:

1) I admire your zealotry on the various questions pertaining to U.S. citizenship."--

Thank you Ann.

I still need to explain one thing myself. My questions pertain to a status of citizenship called "natural born citizen."

This always seems to get confused with citizenship in general.


--"2) My inappropriate outburst was due to your comments calling Mark Levin a constitution denier, loudmouth, and expressing your hate for him because he didn't answer your emails."--

Your "outburst" was no outburst at all, and far from inappropriate . I apologize for provoking you.
I rarely use the word hate because I believe there is a lot of power behind a word like that. I truly hate the person that mugged my mom when I was eight years old. It is unfair to label Levin the same. On that I was wrong. "Constitution denier" seems a little to harsh too. "Loudmouth" is the one I will think about.

It is the situation that I do hate, though. His argument against "birthright citizenship" makes his view in opposition of his view of presidential eligibility. I was upset, not that he did not return my emails, but that it is very unlike Mark Levin to leave such a discrepancy in his own opinions. And more upset that he is defended, in this situation, because he is "Mark Levin." In any other situation we would look at the weight of the comment over the stature of the commentator.

--"Someone that you might want to write to is a Dr. John C. Eastman."--

Boy have I ever tried this avenue. Eastman has heard plenty from me. He hides. I have been on Hugh Hewitt and been called a series of names. I have been on Michael Medved and he said my hypothesis is wrong because, thanks to his mom’s heritage, he could be a German citizen if he wanted to.

Huh?

I debated Darryl Issa over his want to change the terms of "natural born" by resolution. I asked what he believed the term meant to the founders, so I could know his basis for changing the term. You can't change a recipe if no recipe existed. So why can’t anybody tell me what the original recipe is. The host of the show took over and Darryl was excused without answering.

My Dad, when confronted by a series of questions, we children would ask, and he did not want to answer, he would always say, "Ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die." This works great for ten year olds, when they have an adult looking out for them. This does not work when you are the adult and you are looking out for your country.

I defy anybody here, just for giggles, to call your favorite broadcast personality and ask,

"If 'birthright citizenship' is qualified by the jurisdiction/allegiance component of the 14th amendment (i.e. no dual citizenship), how can a person who does not qualify for citizenship qualify for president?

Since my dad's options left us with "do" or "die", you would think there would by more people on the side of "do."

Threadkiller

The last sentence, in order to sound cool, should have been:

Since we are now old enough to reason why
I should hope we choose "do" over "die."

Threadkiller

Ann, from your Eastman ">http://dailycaller.com/2010/08/20/linda-chavezs-misunderstanding-of-the-citizenship-clause/"> link

”Senator Lyman Trumbell, a key figure in the drafting and adoption of the Amendment, stated that “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States meant subject to its “complete” jurisdiction, “[n]ot owing allegiance to anybody else.” And Senator Jacob Howard, who introduced the language of the jurisdiction clause on the floor of the Senate, contended that it should be construed to mean “a full and complete jurisdiction,” “the same jurisdiction” requirement as applied under the 1866 Civil Rights Act, which afforded citizenship to “all persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power.” Although the subsequent ratification debates are not very comprehensive, one thing is quite clear: Everyone understood that the Fourteenth Amendment was at least designed to constitutionalize the 1866 Civil Rights Act, with the birthright citizenship caveat that one not be “subject to any foreign power.”

All these rules about allegiance to be a citizen, but a “dual citizen” can be president.

Is the irony just not thick enough yet?

matt

never got to the Knitting Factory. After my time. Max's, CBGB's, The Bottom Line, clubs in the Village and Jersey and even Staten Island on the East Coast.

The Whiskey, Madame Wong's (E & W), all sorts of other places in LA. Best show ever was in late 75/early 76, I took my brother to see Blondie at the Whiskey as the headliner. Only problem was that the opening act, some kid named Tom Petty, just blew the room away, after which Blondie came out and did one of their worst sets ever. Debbie Harry was strung out that night.I think there may have been 50-60 people there because no one know who any of these kids were.

That was the beauty of the Whiskey. No name bands rocketing to the top with 1,000:1 odds.

Clarice

Legal Insurrection:

So if I understand Rich's current column correctly, the surge which Rich declared in October 2009 could not work in Afghanistan, which Rich declared had failed by December 2009, and the war that Rich kissed-off just three weeks ago, really would have worked out for us if not for the wingnuts who object to the location of the Cordoba mosque and Islamic Center.

ROFL

Captain Hate

matt, did you ever see X in LA? Exene seemed to really get off on trashing Debbie.

PD

I read the intro to Road to Serfdom and am overwhelmed. Is there a pay off to a cretin, small business owner, captialist by nature 50 year old guy like myself? Seriously, it looks tough.

Suck it up and keep reading. :-)

Donald

I saw X in LA! With the Blasters!

I was just a lad, barely 22.

Captain Hate

I saw Dave Alvin plenty of times in the 90s post Blasters (and also post X); he's not a bad player but I'd be a bit surprised if he has any hearing left.

X's drummer, DJ Bonebrake, shows up on a jazz recording every now and then playing vibes. He's pretty good.

Frau Steingehirn

Er... John Eastman not Chapman, of course, upthread.

matt

my little sister was very tight in the LA punk/rockabilly scene and knew just about everyone. Very close with the Alvin Brothers, Exene, and John Doe. She tells me she wrote some lyrics, but never which ones.Had beers with a few of them a few times.

The beauty was that right after I finished college and before I shipped out to Europe the LA scene began to explode. By the time I got back it was in full flower.

The only damn good thing about the Carter years was that people were so ticked off they came up with 3-4-5 new threads of music; hip hop, new wave, New York punk, LA Punk/New Wave, and then the whole Brit thing. They trashed the whole megarock/disco/glam monolith and pretty much burned it down.

I actually like DA's work post Blasters much more. King of California is a favorite. Would love to see him with someone like Chris Isaak, who is a chucklehead, by the way.

Pagar

More from the "this is insane" Report.

Cal AG Brown says"State Street bankers committed unconscionable fraud by misappropriating millions of dollars that rightfully belonged to California’s public pension funds,”

Ohio's treasurer hires them to manage some of the State's pension funds.

Highlighting how the Ohio Treasurer makes decisions

"Double suspicions have arisen as Boyce also hired Alo’s wife Walaa Waeda to be an office assistant about a month earlier. What’s also interesting here is the position Alo’s wife was hired for was bid out only in Alo’s mosque and his wife was the only respondent."

In Ohio, you no longer go to the state employment office to hire state employees, you go to your local mosque. And people talk about separation of church and state??????????????

Captain Hate

I actually like DA's work post Blasters much more. King of California is a favorite

I agree; the two earlier ones, Blue Blvd and Museum of Heart were good as well. The first time I saw him was a "label tour" that Silvertone put together with him, Dale Watson and Big Sandy and the Fly-Rite Boys each playing 45 minute sets. It was a great evening and struck me as a good way to promote artists on the label. The only problem I had was Dave played really too loud.

Thomas Collins

OK, I was going to defend disco and risk Matt's wrath, but in the spirit of the latter part of this thread, I'll go with the wave, but with a Russian twist. See LUN.

Danube of Thought

Nothing in the world like the Stones. Close up. Honky Tonk Women,

Captain Hate

Ok, if TC's gonna bring some hot Rooski rockers into the discussion, LUN for a Balkan band that I'll bet JMH didn't consider for the wedding, which would make in memorable in probably some unwanted ways.

Threadkiller

Rooski rockers are not complete without

BERZERKER!!!!

Content warning.

matt

Capt;

Gotta love Gogol Bordello. Let those balalaikas and accordions ring out! Glorious anarchy.There is a subset of Balkan punk these days that is interesting to say the least.

They should be playing some of this stuff over PA's on the FOB's in Afghanistan to rock the Pushtuns.

Elliott

Thanks, CH. That was quite entertaining.

Captain Hate

That would be a great strategy, matt; I saw them a couple years ago and there was a whole lotta moshin' goin' on. My Hatettes used to catch them in NYC in clubs around Columbia about 10 years ago. Plus I think they'd hit Bard College regularly.

Elliott

And tangentially related to the subject of Russian musicians...

Clarice

Hi, elliott!! XOXOXOX

Thomas Collins

I hope TM is paying attention to the latter part of this thread. It is clear that a TM thread on the New Wave or Rooski music scene will get as much play as his occasional posts on items such as the impact of vitamin D and sprout intake on one's resting heart rate while watching Playboy cybergirl videos.

Elliott

Good evening, Clarice. I've missed you guys.

Stephanie

Went to a Stones concert at the Fox Theatre in Atlanta back in the late 70s and had third row seats. Gave Mick a bouquet of roses which he promptly shoved down the front of his pants. Every guy in the audience winced. Good Times.

Steve

We have the entire 26 minute video posted now on Common Cents. Please tell a friend.... this is an outstanding interview!!!

Steve
http://www.commoncts.blogspot.com

Tears fell like rain during Prague Spring.

Lubos Motl had some nice links to Rostrapovich doing Dvorak.
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I'm not even gonna look it up.  I like it better that way.

Isn't it 'Do and die'?
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Clarice

Elliott..we've missed you, too.

daddy

"The only damn good thing about the Carter years..."

Matt,

If memory serves, I believe it was during the Carter years that Congress finally got the hell out of the way and allowed the beginning of MicroBrews. But your point is well taken.

Hi Elliott.

Wish to heck I could find that old link wherein P'UK told us what his fav Brit beer was. I had been mentioning Old Speckled Hen when he replied with his preferences And I also recall later a very fun comment from him about a Guinness and chicken vindaloo digestive attack:) Fond memories.

Donald

Stephanie, I went to that Stones show. I had been graduated from high school about 2 weeks. They sold the tickets at the civic center. We went, camped out, bought beer at the Blimpies, and then paid $10.00 TEN DOLLARS for the tickets. Basically wiped me out for the next week. I believe I was right around the third row myself.

Donald

Also saw the Silvertone tour.

I used to have a whole lot more fun.

scott

Good to hear from you Soylent.

caro

Thinking of you,Soylent. Be safe.

sbw

Rostrapovich gave a concert in Utica to save the Stanley Theater, a community theater. My goodness what a show.

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