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September 13, 2010

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Porchlight

Pofarmer,

Could it be just a phase? Time may ease the intensity. That seems to be the nature of such things, in my experience anyway.

It isn't the same, I know, but my husband (a Dem) would prefer I not be reading so much about politics.

Captain Hate

It's hard to believe that anybody is unelectable for the former seat of the biggest ignoramus ever to ooze out of Scranton.

Clarice

I know, Jim. Maybe, I'm just grateful I don't have to vote in DE. OTOH, as Jacobson notes..I'm getting sick of the nuts and sluts stuff against all women candidates. She's not the best candidate by a long shot, but she wouldn't vote for cap and trade.

Clarice

It is, isn't it Capt?

MayBee

I just don't see O'Donnell as a "pure of heart" candidate. She may be more conservative than Castle, but she has a lot of problems on her own.

We'll see what people in DE choose.

narciso

Yesw and they have chosen to attack, not justify Castle's record, we've seen this movie
before with Specter, Chaffee, Jeffords, et al,
at least Graham and McCain had the support of
the surge as their saving grace

 centralcal

I agree with the Jacobsen article Clarice cited. Every candidate has "problems." No candidate is "pure" or "perfect."

I especially appreciate Michelle Malkin's comments on this today (she supports O'Donnell) pertaining to those on our side who are getting all lathered up and name calling, etc.:

Guess what? You can be a “TRUE CONSERVATIVE,” a blogger behind a keyboard, a talk show host behind a mic, a prime-time TV host in front of a camera, a Beltway pundit, or a heartland Tea Party activist and come to different, good-faith conclusions about this race. I know people in both the Castle camp and the O’Donnell camp. I’m not going to deride or disown my friends in the blogosphere or anywhere else because we disagree. That’s, well, unhinged.

Everyone get a grip. Take a deep breath. Fight your best fight. Make your best arguments. Wait for the votes to be counted. Then march on and move forward.

sbw

The way I figure it, a vote for O'Donnell, even if O'Donnell can't win, is a message to Castle. How else will Castle that Castle isn't all Castle is cracked up to be.

DebinNC

Savvy DE Dems may vote for O'Donnell today. The primary is closed, but many may have changed their affiliations in time.

Captain Hate

Yeah Clarice, and I firmly agree with the nuts and sluts argument being applied toward women candidates; and I'm as far from a fembot as you can get. Also except for the posters here, everybody that seems to be against ODonnell are the people whose judgement I've found to be extremely sketchy in the past; including the Hammer.

matt

The election of Castle would, if there is not a significant Republican majority, spell the end of any serious reform in the Senate.

Castle is one of the reasons the Republicans lost the House and Senate in the first place. Earmarks, cronyism, a lack of ethics and irresponsibility are marks of the problem, not the solution.

I can understand Boehner's triangulation, and take glee in the fact he just wasted the NYT's, CBS's, and the Democratic Party's attempt to create a boogieman. He may, to an extent, get it.

Castle on the other hand never will. Empowering him, either as a republican or closet dem, does nothing to solve our overarching national problems.

The only value whatsoever is that it would give the Republicans control, which may not necessarily be the best thing.

The one thing that has to come through in 2012 is that the Dems own this lock, stock, and barrel.We are going to need a massive national consensus to cancel out the leftist agenda.

When the Dems continue to legislate through litigation as in gay marriage and DADT, one can better understand the damage being done to our institutions.

Jack is Back!

bubu:

The only war I fought in we lost close to 55K and it was started and amplified under a Democrat President and a Democrat Congress. And it wasn't the War on Poverty which the Dems started and are now amplifying. You need to get your history straight and stop making such foolish ignorant posts. Ask any air crew up until 68 where they got their target lists from and they will tell you - the WH after lunch. That is where LBJ and McNamara sat down with the "experts" from his political party and made decisions about life and death - the generals be damned. So don't go giving me this "starting war" carp - I lost more friends than you have pimples on your face because of that farce.

sbw

A call to vote for someone who "can win" is a call to substitute one logic for another.

Pofarmer

" Does her "hyperness" have to do with the religious ritual "

Catholic ritual and Catholic Church. If it were otherwise, it would be tolerable. That, and I think she's starting to idolize her mother, who was a very strong Catholic, and, quite frankly, neurotic about it. My wife knows this, but can't quite put the 2 and 2 together as to why it's the source of her Mom's problems. ie, you can never be perfect.

Porch, I've hoped it's a phase for 2 years now. How long do these things last? She got an email this morning that she's wanting to get together once a month with one of her groups she was in. Hell, WE don't go out once a month. One of the problems we've had is she's spent so much time with these damn catholic groups, we never see each other. She was trying to find stuff for a while to convince me that Methodists were wrong, or Devils spawn, or something, and now, not finding that, she's just gone back to the, I'm Catholic and that's the way it is. I'd love to break this cycle.

Porchlight

O'Donnell is far from ideal and does have a lot of problems as a candidate. But I'm not worried about how she'll vote.

Of the three choices, she is the only one of whom that can be said.

Pofarmer

matt just said what I wanted to say, except he said it much better than I would have. How can you count on reform if you keep putting squishes in the Senate? Better to support the conservative candidate, and let the Dim's continue the slide on their own.

Captain Hate

I meant to say that I agree with what Clarice said about the nuts and sluts argument being applied.....

In case there was any confusion.

Per what Malkin said (along with a few sane individuals @ AoS): Isn't this what a primary is supposed to be about?

DebinNC

The arguments here, especially matt and Prochlight's, have changed my mind. I now hope O'Donnell wins today.

narciso

You have a point there, Captain, they kept Biden, "Mr. Malaprop" in word and deed, and they retired Roth, the good Senator

Rick Ballard

Maybe we should focus on Linda McMahon rather than slaughtering defenseless pixels over Castle. That's a decent poll and Blumenthal is very susceptible to a nice dirty October surprise revelation (beyond his pathetic lying about his military record).

It would be great fun to watch McMahon slamming his head against the ring post with something salacious enough to drive down his support among women. Something using the same journo standards used by the NYT in their McCain hit would be fine with me.

Cecil Turner

Clarice - Please look at the Power Line posts on this race. And the Weekly Standard articles on O'Donnell.

I did, and remain torn. In the first place, the polling data is not dispositive. The most compelling is the latest PPP one; but besides not wanting to hang any important decisions on the input of DKos's pollmeister, a late surge for O'Donnell invalidates some of the "can't win" analysis. And if we're getting up to something like a 33% chance of having an actual conservative in the seat (even if she is a bit nutty), I might be willing to roll the bones. The alternative of having a squish in a position to refuse to join filibusters and provide "bipartisan" cover for liberal legislation does not hold much attraction.

If there were a significant chance of taking the Senate this year, the calculus shifts somewhat . . . but I don't see that as a very realistic likelihood.

Porchlight

Pofarmer,

I'm sorry, I misread your post and didn't realize it had been going on that long. 2 years is a long time.

I do sympathize. I am not Catholic, but I have seen some similar issues in some Catholic friends' marriages. With kids and work there just is so little time to spend together as it is. My husband would prefer I not volunteer much at church for that reason.

 centralcal

Excellent comments, Matt! (as usual, grin)

MayBee

Why is the WH playing such games with Elizabeth Warren's nomination?

MayBee

Po- I saw my father in law, who had always had a difficult relationship with his mother (who was a very difficult woman) begin to idolize her after her death. I think there's a guilt thing there, and it can manifest itself in different ways.
My FIL never returned to his Catholicism as a result, but he romanticized his prior relationship with it (and her).

I don't have the answer, but I feel for you.

Captain Hate

Good luck Po; a lot of Catholics seem to have very tortured concepts of how they identify with the church. I've seen a number of people who are pro-abortion agonize over how this puts them at odds with the church; rather than just say "Well that's that" they dwell on it to the exclusion of almost everything else.

Jane (sit on the couch or save your country)

Dave, Rocco and anyone else in MA, make sure you write-in James McKenna 28 Miles Street Millbury for AG. Let's get rid of Marsha.

Dave, Lynch is about the most conservative democrat we have in MA - not that that means a damn thing - which brings me to Castle and O'Donnell. I'd have to vote for O'Donnell based on the impeachment thing.

Maybee, (Happy Birthday) - I think Warren is not confirmable.

Pofarmer

MayBee

Catholics are incredibly good at guilt, and my wifes mom is a master at it. She has been using that on the boys, and I finally had to tell her to quit it, and I'm going to have to back it up. Number one, it doesn't work on boys ages 10 and down, and #2, it just ain't right for a person to feel guilty about EVERYTHING! If there's one thing that's incredibly unproductive and wrong, it's persistent guilt.

narciso

All right remember that Afghanistan slide, earlier, here's another slightly more rational one

MayBee

She has been using that on the boys, and I finally had to tell her to quit it,

Your MIL is using it on your boys? Oh no, I wouldn't stand for that either.

Jane (sit on the couch or save your country)

BTW, at the polls they check you off by street. So you tell them where you live, they turn to that street and number and put down which ballot (R or D) each person votes. ON my street there were 6 voters and all voted R - in MA

Porchlight

DebinNC,

Thanks for your comment. This has been a helpful discussion for me, too. Far, far better than what's transpiring on other blogs. Love JOM for that reason (among many others).

Dave (in MA)
Dave, Lynch is about the most conservative democrat we have in MA - not that that means a damn thing
I keep hearing that, but his vote against Obamacare was not against a government takeover of health care - he didn't like "deem and pass" and thought Obamacare was too favorable toward insurance companies. He was against it from the left even though superficially he looked "conservative" voting against it.
Dave (in MA)
Dave, Rocco and anyone else in MA, make sure you write-in James McKenna 28 Miles Street Millbury for AG.
I'm with ya, but paraphrasing a Howie Carr caller to McKenna last night, how can you guys expect to beat Marsha if you don't even have your act together enough to get your name on the ballot?
Pofarmer

"Your MIL is using it on your boys? Oh no, I wouldn't stand for that either."

No, the wife, sorry about not writing clearly. It was what was used on here as a kid sooooooooo-

Rocco

Jane

Will do!

Pofarmer

"Good luck Po; a lot of Catholics seem to have very tortured concepts of how they identify with the church. "

Problem is, she's identifying with the church to the exclusion of all else. The one tortured here, is basically me, then I say something, and she gets all emotional, and, yeah, it sucks.

Porchlight

Fantastic news, Jane. I'm looking forward to reading many more such stories today.

Jane (sit on the couch or save your country)

Dave,

Well it's not like being the least liberal in MA is anything but certified moonbat - just sayin'

And true also about McKenna, but hey, why not?

MayBee

No, the wife, sorry about not writing clearly. It was what was used on here as a kid sooooooooo-

Oh ok. But yeah, I'm with you. Guilt doesn't teach kids how to make choices, which I think is one of the most important things you can teach your child.

Clarice

Look at the bright side, Po. Guilt tortured female Catholics never eat the last big of goodies on the platter.

I had a friend with a mother like that you worked as a hotel maid and was wracked with guilt because they made her put those little paper rings on the glasses and toilets which said they'd been sanitized when they weren't. She herself was upset when to sit more conveniently near her to talk on an empty subway train I sat in a spot reserved for the disabled.

Chubby

Po

The Catholic Church would probably not be happy to learn that religion is causing familial discord. What about some commons sense Catholic marriage counseling which might benefit your wife and tone it down it bit (as long as it doesn't proseltyze your conversion)?

Janet

Po - So each spouse is trying to change the other? That is always a hard time in marriages! Whether the strife if religion, politics, child rearing, money, or just general treatment. My experience has been that I could only change myself...I try to be a better wife, try to focus on all the good qualities of my husband, try to show respect & love....and somehow, the miracle is that he becomes a better husband! Even if only half of the couple is doing it, it causes the two of you to be drawn together more.

Clarice

***last biT of goodies******

Janet

**strife is**

Rocco

When I asked the priest to attend my wedding at my wife's Protestant church he asked me why I wanted a priest there. I told him that I had many practicing Catholics in my family to which he called me a hypocrite, telling me I should want a priest at my wedding because I wanted one there, not my family. He had a valid point but when he told me I couldn't get married outside the church without dispensations and I'd have to agree to raise my children Catholic, I told him I couldn't do that. He told me that in the eyes of the Catholic church, my marriage wouldn't be considered sacred. I thanked him for his time and haven't been back since.

I'm 55 years old now but when my mother left my father 53 years ago, the church told my mother that if she remarried she would be excommunicated so the poor woman worked 80 hours a week to support my sister and me with no child support from my deadbeat dad.

Porchlight

Pofarmer,

I think Chubby's is a good suggestion. I think it is very likely the priests have seen this before, and would be understanding. It might shed some light for her and help give her some perspective.

Ignatz

--I just don't see O'Donnell as a "pure of heart" candidate.--

Yeah, I was in a hurry maybee. I should have said "idealogically pure of heart".
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All I know is I'm sick of Republicans easing us slowly into the eurotrash mold of the welfare state, as opposed to the Dems who wish to get us there at ramming speed.
I hope I live long enough to see a Repub party which has as its platform the dismantling of the monstrosity the left has already wrought, rather than being its tax collector.

boris

A senate majority would be more important for a 2012 Republican president. IMO now it's more important to asses T-party strength. Think early bid in bridge for the game theory.

Never complained myself about squishy Republicans or porkbusting or bad PR, but Castle is pretty awful. If now isn't the time to cull the RINO herd ... when?

There is such a thing as being too greedy. Given a choice between T-party and RINO ...

Ignatz

--If there's one thing that's incredibly unproductive and wrong, it's persistent guilt.--

Not only that Po, but it is contrary to Christianity.
The good news Jesus brought is that He could and would set the captives free. He paid the penalty for our guilt and no church or man has the power to reconvict us unless we let them.
There are many Catholics who understand this truth. I hope your wife can find one and will listen so she can be set free.

 centralcal

Ha! Interesting blog post at Gateway Pundit:

Our friend Pat Hickey has caught wind of some potentially interesting news on Chicago’s soon to be roiling Mayoral election now that Richard “King” Daley has decided he no longer wants the big seat. Conservative publisher R. Emmett Tyrell, Jr. has reportedly said he might be interested in taking a run at City Hall.
Chubby

((My experience has been that I could only change myself...I try to be a better wife, try to focus on all the good qualities of my husband, try to show respect & love....and somehow, the miracle is that he becomes a better husband!))

Wow Janet, imo you've summed up genuine Christian practice in a nutshell. Seeing all those great qualities in your husband is "loving your neighbor", even if that neighbor is your husband and seems to be your enemy. :)

narciso

Well in this LUN, Gaffney, who was the one who gave her that tough interview seems to hold out hope, ironically Matthews, brings
up the fact that Biden pulled a similar upset

jimmyk

I'm going to jump in here on the side of "Lose with O'Donnell rather than win with Castle." The Reps can take the Senate and the presidency in 2012 if they stick to principle. That's more important than a narrow majority in the Senate for two years with a Dem president vetoing any legislation they pass. And then we're stuck with Castle for four years after that.

No one replied when I posed the question about Paladino vs. Lazio in the NY governor primary, but I'm going to vote for Paladino warts and all. I hate the NY Republican party with a passion, and while Lazio is a decent sort, he's still a Casper Milquetoast type that won't shake things up.

Chubby

I think that the best thing that O'Donnell has going for her is that Palin is backing her. Palin is not into political suicide, for herself or Republicans and would do nothing to further that end. Palin's political instincts are excellent imo and if she is going in that direction, I think it's safe and wise to go there with her.

Clarice

Jane's neighbors listed themselves as "r" undoubtedly because they feared the wrath of JANE!!!

Janet, what can you say about Janet? Nothing much more than that she's a truly great person..but you have to say it fast and run or she'll enlist you in her do good stuff.

Jane (sit on the couch or save your country)

BTW I brought my newly Caro-designed Sturbridge Tea Party poster to the polls and everyone holding a sign there (about 5 people) wanted in. I left it with a republican and will go back later with a sign up sheet. You guys better get your plane tickets soon, lest all the airlines sell out. And I'd post a pix of the sign if I could but I'm an idiot about those things.

Pofarmer

"Po - So each spouse is trying to change the other?"

I'm not trying to change anybody, I'm just rather apalled at the change that's going on.

windansea

Mark Levin reminds that Castle voted for Bush's impeachment

Levin is throwing spitballs

read Patterico re: the impeachment vote BS

Pofarmer

The Catholic Church would probably not be happy to learn that religion is causing familial discord. What about some commons sense Catholic marriage counseling which might benefit your wife and tone it down it bit (as long as it doesn't proseltyze your conversion)?

The current priest made it plain a couple times that I was welcome to convert, so, I don't see it working, and, he's a large part of the problem.

Porchlight

Ah, sorry to hear that, Pofarmer. Please disregard my suggestion about the priest(s), then. Although perhaps an independent Catholic counselor could help, if there are such people available.

Porchlight

Jane,

I'm recruiting a girlfriend to come (almost the only conservative woman I know here in this lib town) and as it happens she also grew up in CT, though we met here in TX. So if she's interested we may combine it with a visit to our old stomping grounds. Looks like we may have to beat the rush!

Jane (sit on the couch or save your country)

The more the merrier Porch - I mean it.

narciso

So it looks like DoT's law school classmate,
will be allowing the Obamacare lawsuit to go on in part

Chubby

Po, obviously counselling from someone who is part of the problem would never work. I just did a quick Web search and it looks like there are many Catholic marriage resources out there that promise not to pressure anyone to convert ...

daddy

G'mornin'

Late as always.

"We spent over $800k of stimulus funds to teach African men to wash their penises after sex."

Yes Clarice, and from this story yesterday, ">http://www.medindia.net/news/Disinfectant-Hand-Gels-Found-Ineffective-Against-Swine-Flu-73934-1.htm?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+allhealthnews+(Medindia+Health+News)"> Disinfectant Hand Gels Found Ineffective Against Swine Flu, chances are that that 800 grand was wasted on a procedure that is mostly ineffective in the first place.


Pofarmer

Thanks Chubby.

My opinion of the Catholic heirarchy, and Catholic counseling in general, is so low, that I don't see that working. You see, part of the problem is that the diocese is pushing to have people become better Catholics. Unfortunately, this does not necessarily lead to people becoming better Christians. Have you ever dealt with Catholic priests? I've never dealt with a more closed minded, arrogant, sanctimonious, self important lot. And, those are the good qualities.

narciso

An interesting tidbit in that all too deserved skewering of Meggie Mac, is that Lincoln Chaffee is running as an independent
for Governor, even though the GOP had helped him defeat a conservative, they've learned nothing

Pofarmer

Oh, and after the Diocese started this crap, church attendance is DOWN, and they can't figure it out. I've tried to explain it to my wife, to no avail.

Captain Hate

Tammy Bruce is really taking the Hammer to task for being reflexively against any endorsement Palin makes including Joe Miller. CK has owned up to misunderestimating her in the past but he doesn't seem to have learned anything from it.

Oh and regarding Castle's great impeachment vote to "let it die in committee": Is that one of those "heads I win; tails you lose" votes and it was impossible for him not to be against the impeachment? How 'bout if he voted against it there would be no doubt about what his vote really meant instead of playing this stupid guessing game.

narciso

No, Captain, they are as clueless as those folks who avoided the first series of traps
in the Grail temple, just in time to trip the other set, after words .Just to show you, after this dreadful last minute back stab for Christine's former manager (whose last name is not Wallace) reports are a National Committee woman is doing calls for Castle,
'They Thirst for Death" I tell you

daddy

That's good to hear Captain Hate,

Wish we had Tammy Bruce out here.

When asked during the single Primary debate she bothered to show up for (she was too busy in DC she told us) in response to the question "If you lose this Primary Election will you support your opponent?", she answered "I will respect the will of the Electorate."

Well that's already been proved to be a lie, and I expect her to announce her Write In candidacy within the next 48 hours.

Once that happens, we are going to need as many Tammy Bruce's as we can dig up to counterattack the MSM media onslaught that is going to come like a Tidal Wave against Joe Miller. Get out your ADN Ellie Light monikers JOMer's, I'm afraid we're really going to need your assistance in the comments sections.

Frau Nebenan

Po, if this isn't hormonal in nature, I hope her religiosity can be channeled to prayer for your marriage, your family and their health.

Threadkiller

By voting for the win and not for what matters you get Arnold instead of McClintock. The GOP screwed McClintock in all their ads. The radio hosts spent all their time crying about handing the win to the Dems. So thanks to the partyline voters, California got the worst Governor in recent times.

I believe if the 3rd party candidate makes a good run for election and screws things for the sure bet, people will wonder why their party had somebody so weak that they could not prevail. This should repair the two party system.

I know many people that were pissed at me because I was voting for McClintock, and sticking to my morals. They now sing, “Won’t get fooled again.”

daddy

My comment above was about Lisa Murkowski. Sorry, I left her name out.

Here, let me write it in: B E N E D I C T A R N O L D M U R K...

Captain Hate

daddy, I'll refrain from making Polack jokes for now but the air of entitlement that all these tone-deaf RINOs have shown is such an indictment of the past judgement of the party that it makes me think that Michael Steele is the least of the worries with the Repubs. I'm kind of surprised that the majority of Alaskans aren't completely turned off by it

narciso

No, it doesn't matter whether you are Greek, Crist,Jewish, Specter, Baptist, I assume for
Kay Bailey, or Mormon, Bennett, they all feel
entitled to the office Captain

MaryW

Pofarmer

Do you know any Catholic priests who have been military chaplains? or ones who did not join the seminary right after high school? My father's best friend was a chaplain and he seemed to understand people on a level the parish priest did not.

My Dad converted to catholicism after the war and his attitudes surely influenced his children. My mother's family was very involved and I can remember the family having many of the members of the monastery out to the house for dinner with the family. Religion was never the subject under discussion. Their visits managed to teach the children how to play poker.

Now to get to the point of the story. My dad's best friend was the military chaplain for his reserve unit. He was a bit younger than Dad, but more of a realist than the other priests we met. It was wonderful when Uncle, Father Jim became one of our parish priests. He had life experience and was able to talk with us in a way none of the other priests could. He always told us that how you lived your life was more important than being a Sunday Catholic and then gave examples. The best example he gave us was the last. He died trying to rescue a man and his son from drowning.

I think your wife need to talk to someone who leads by example and does not use verbal coercion.

Now this is a lapsed Catholic speaking but I am still a Catholic and a product of 12 years of Catholic school. Father Jim is still one of my heroes and helped me to understand that priests and nuns are still only human and many of them lack the life experience necessary to advise people. Unfortunately, success is still measured at the collection plate and the number of attendees at Mass. There is no category called souls saved.

Ignatz

What's sickening is the GOP cries for party loyalty to gin up votes for RINOS, but it's precisely the RINOS who have no party loyalty.
If a conservative loses fair and square they step aside. It's the Murkowskis and Chafees and Sessions who demand loyalty from the voters and then bolt as soon as that's the only way to hold onto power.

jimmyk

It's the Murkowskis and Chafees and Sessions who demand loyalty from the voters and then bolt

Sessions? Did you mean Spector?

Clarice

When they gave money to Chaffee without even getting a promise in return that he'd support the President's judicial nominees, my pocket book to the party slammed shut. I give only to individual candidates.

Captain Hate

narc, that runs so against what was one of the underlying planks of the Contract With America, the last time the Repubs reversed control of Congress in a major way, that it makes me think that all of them are dumb as well as power-hungry and drenched in hubris. This is something I wish Newt would address instead of his usual chat-show blah-blah which makes me hit the mute button and wish permanent laryngitis on him.

Rick Ballard

The 'other' Roger Simon has an interesting piece at Politico with this lede:

He cannot save 2010,” the big-time Democrat is saying of Barack Obama. “It is gone. He must now concentrate on saving 2012. But the biggest fear of some of those close to him is that he might not really want to go on in 2012, that he might not really care.”

Simon has always been a Dem jock sniffer so I'm a bit surprised by the lede. I don't doubt the veracity or the fact that a "big-time" Dem would acknowledge the bleeding obvious. It's the "those close to him" that is intriguing. I have the feeling that the WH is starting to resemble his dad's house in Kenya on "beat the wife" night with "those closest" stepping in for Michelle - who would stuff BOzo in a sock drawer if he ever summoned the courage to lift a finger.

Ignatz

--Sessions? Did you mean Spector?--

No jimmyk but Specter is another one.
Who I actually meant was that block of smelly Vermont cheese Jim Jeffords.
Don't know how Sessions got in my head.

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