Taking The Pledge

The House Republicans have put forth their 21 page "Pledge To America", mainly to have a prop to wave at critics who claim they have no agenda and no ideas.

Eric Erickson of Red State thinks the program is "ridiculous".  Marc Ambinder explains why it is redundant:

Thirdly, Republicans don't need a Contract or a Pledge. Their base is energized. The Democratic base is not. The folks who are going to vote arguably know Republicans stand for the stuff in the pledge because Republicans have been talking about this stuff since the beginning of the cycle. Arguably, it gives Democrats more of a defined target, something that they can redirect attention to.  Arguably, had the Republicans been able to produce a more substantive governing document, they would have made it harder for Democrats to demagogue.

I can't believe this document will change many votes or even many news cycles.  If they wanted us to read it, it wouldn't be so long.

That said, the National Review editors are even more energized:

It is also a shrewd political document. Do the Democrats really wish to campaign on the proposition that bills should not be available for public inspection and should not have to cite their constitutional authority? That Social Security and Medicare should not be fully accounted for? That TARP should be continued indefinitely? Republicans looking to the elections should hope so.

Comments

[MarkO]

I think it is a good idea in this sense: it provides an outline of the discussion over the next few weeks. The "pledge" is a list of issues on which the Republicans can win. To the extent the Dems engage on it, they will have to shift to the points that favor the Republicans.

[Orloff Jones]

It seems like a good idea since the Dems would have tried to push the "GOP only obstructs and has no ideas". Plus like you said, no one will read it anyway.

[Rob Crawford]

Some of it's quite disappointing. Three days to read a bill? How about three months?

[Captain Hate]

I posted this in the last thread:

To the surprise of nobody, the "rollout" of the Pledge is being handled about as cluelessly as anybody that witnessed McCain's 2008 campaign would expect, including not having a summary available until tomorrow. Every act by these idiots illustrates why the party is such a den of RINOs.

[Captain Hate]

If the NR people are for something, I'm usually against it; at least in how it's executed.

[Charlie (Colorado)]

The great thing about identifying and running out all the RINOs is that it'll be so much simpler to find meeting halls.

Pretty quick, we'll be able to commandeer an elevator.

And leave room for the refreshments table.

[jimmyk]

It really needs an executive summary with three or four substantive bullet points at the front. That "We pledge" business is just platitudes. Rick's two point contract from a previous thread would do just fine.

[maryrose]

I think this is a good plan. Dems will have to defend their half-baked ideas which no one agrees with and are hurting our country daily.
Did anyone catch the riveting hour of Jack Welch on CNBC this morning? I agree with everything he said. He and Buffett were in sync on how Obama's policies are bad for the economy and for our fiscal progress.

[jimmyk]

Oops, it was three points.

1. Repeal Obamacare.
2. Ten years and out for any elected official.
3. No, nein, nyet, non, nr, αριθ, 否, いいえ, não.

I would include
4. Repeal Dodd-Frank
5. Limit government budget to 20% of GDP.
6. Flat tax.

[Clarice]

How smart could Buffett be? He supported the nincompoop when it mattered.

[Rob Crawford]

The great thing about identifying and running out all the RINOs is that it'll be so much simpler to find meeting halls.

Pretty quick, we'll be able to commandeer an elevator.

Yeah, so let's just become a totalitarian state slower.

[PD]

Some of it's quite disappointing. Three days to read a bill?

That'd be useful if accompanied by a requirement that no bill could be so long it would take more than three days to read. (By the senator, not by his staff working in parallel, that's cheating.)

The current 2,000-page monstrosities we had this year (stimulus, ObamaCare, finreg) certainly wouldn't satisfy that requirement.

[Charlie (Colorado)]

Yeah, so let's just become a totalitarian state slower.

So, you figure an elevator full of poeple will be able to win those elections?

[Captain Hate]

Charlie's in his McCain mode as usual. It's too bad that so many posters suck up to such a flaming hypocrite.

[Clarice]

Charlie may be somewhat overstating things, but he raises a useful caution IMO.

[NK]

I think TM is being unfair to our Repub friends. The point of this "Pledge" and roll out isn't to "change votes". The purpose is to energize conservative/Repub voters and reasure Indies who detest Barry,Nancy,and Harry that the Repubs will do what they say. If the repubs accomplish that they's put to the sword almost 70 House Dems mostly in the Midwest and Mideast, but also a bunch in suburbs on both coasts. The few 'moderate Dems' left in the House may well petition for admission in the Repub caucus seeing their future as Dems untenable. It might actually play out that way in the House.

[Rick Ballard]

It's a tar baby - and I'm for it. I'm ready to debate any Dem who wants to spend the next five weeks going over it point by point by point by point by point by point. I especially liked sub paragraph 36A(c)(iii) as it relates to item 43G(f) (found in Appendix XXII).

It's related to the tanned guy from Ohio's strategy regarding making himself Alinsky Target #1. He's going to be in real trouble if he is ever identified.

[boris]

identifying and running out all the RINOs

That's bogus anyway.

The Tea Party is not a bunch of purists, they are in fact a rather diverse group which including libertarians to social conservatives. The so called RINO hunt is really targeting Republicans with positions inconsistant with the Tea Party. So far in all the big cases the Republicans taken out proved to be backstabbers. Not just RINOs but parasites as well. Good riddance.

[Captain Hate]

Charlie may be somewhat overstating things, but he raises a useful caution IMO.

Charlie's the snarkiest prick on this site bar none. He never misses a chance to stick it to anybody to boost his pathetic self-esteem. He might be the most intelligent troll, but he's still a major asshole.

[boris]

which

[Loxinabox]

"Lobbyists and the big corporations they represent have run roughshod over our
democracy for too long. That's why, this year, people from across the country are
joining together to force politicians to work for the rest of us.
Endorse this slate of ideas and join the other 98% of us--who don't have lobbyists
representing us in DC--to send a strong signal to candidates and elected officials
that, this year, business as usual is over." this is from MoveOn.org funny why
dosn't Obama just keep his word and no one would need all this!I mean If healthcare reform was such a wonderful idea, why did Congress exclude themselves? As
always I can be contacted at work http://www.best-americanbusiness.com

[Old Lurker]

Sorry if it has been linked before, but LUN is a crayon version of problems with the Obamacare Bill. Good cocktail party summary.

[daddy]

Dorgan's commenting on the Pledge but admits he hasn't read it.

Just like the Administration never read the Arizona Law.
And nobody in Congress ever read the Obamacare bill.

So I don't know if 3 days to read any bill is going to work because it seems to me like nobody up there ever reads anything.

How about, no votes on anything till everybody who votes on it has to somehow prove they read the damn thing.

[BobDenver]

Drudge has a story re: Obama's inability to draw people to a fundraiser in MANHATTAN.

[Rick Ballard]

jimmyk,

I believe that your item 5 is in Ryan's Roadmap (6 may be as well). Repeal of FranknDodd should definitely be on the tanned guy's agenda but it would be too easy to Demagogue going into the election.

This move is not meant to be a 'game changer' in any way - why should the Reps want to change direction or chance stalling momentum at this point?

[JM Hanes]

TM:

Jay Cost's analysis of the original Contract with America deserves a prominent spot on your reading list:

Yet even though the contract probably had just a marginal effect on the November elections, it still had value. It was a blueprint for the Republicans in Congress, a straightforward plan of action that gave the GOP majority meaning and purpose. The real worth of the contract was in governing, not electioneering. 

He makes a pretty persuasive case for that perspective at the link.

[Ignatz]

--The great thing about identifying and running out all the RINOs is that it'll be so much simpler to find meeting halls.--

Run em out? It would be a big step forward if they would just stand aside once they lost an election.

--Charlie's the snarkiest prick on this site bar none.--

Concur.

[Chubby]

The use of the word "pledge" is unfortunate; pehaps "promise" or "commitment" would have been better.

Remember the super-creepy, skin-crawling "I pledge" video made by the Obots?

[Rob Crawford]

So, you figure an elevator full of poeple will be able to win those elections?

So, you figure letting the tax collectors for the welfare state brand themselves as fiscal conservatives when election time rolls around is going to get actual fiscal conservatives elected?

You think the people who voted for McCain because he's an immigration hardliner for two months every six years are ever going to see him do anything but pimp for the illegals?

[Clarice]

A little curious piece:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11388018

When cleaner wars are fought, smarter folks will fight them.

[boris]

Concur

I'll stick up for Charlie. Pedantic and a bit of a scold (not that there's anything wrong with that ;) but good to have on your side in a pinch.

[Rob Crawford]

How about, no votes on anything till everybody who votes on it has to somehow prove they read the damn thing.

1) No laws shall be passed without a year of public review and comment.

2) Congress shall not delegate the authority to write laws to any other body. All "regulations" must be passed by Congress, subject to #1, above.

3) Every spending item must be individually signed off by every member of Congress who votes affirmatively for the bill.

4) Congress shall not exempt itself from the coverage of any bill, regulatory or criminal, and all previous laws with this language are hereby void.

Never happen, but we can dream, right?

[Chubby]

(( Rick's two point contract from a previous thread would do just fine.))

I think I missed that one ... could someone please direct me to it or re-post it here?

[Cecil Turner]

The biggest problem the GOP has is that it's not distinguishable enough from the Dems on spending. If running out RINOs means getting rid of big spenders (or those who vote for things like cap-and-tax), then I'm all for it. If it's evaluating candidates on some sort of social purity index . . . not so much. But in any event, once one loses a primary election, there is no possible party defense for their continuing on as a spoiler.

As for Erickson's screed, this is supposed to be the money graf:

These 21 pages tell you lots of things, some contradictory things, but mostly this: it is a serious of compromises and milquetoast rhetorical flourishes in search of unanimity among House Republicans because the House GOP does not have the fortitude to lead boldly in opposition to Barack Obama.

Even ignoring the tortured English, it's perilously close to incoherent. My quick read of the pledge confirms his point that it's a bit of a hodgepodge, but most of the issues look pretty defensible. And it very correctly highlights the economy and the budget-busting anti-business policies of the Democrats that are acting as a brake on the recovery.

[Clarice]

Indeed, Boris.He's a good ally.
I think the pledge was hastily written and is no more than a so there to those who say there's no agenda. Otherwise, I am with Cecil (as usual).

[NK]

OT-- to Cecil/Rick et al, any word on whether the GM IPO will actually get to market, and at what price shares would sell? Bartofsky figures it would take a $134/share price for the Feds to get back the $50Billion wet kiss to the UAW legacy benefits. I assume the price will be closer to $0/share than $134, but IPOs aren't my business. Any word?

[lyle]

Capt:

Please remind me to never get on your bad side. Thanks(!)

I suck at the linky/LUN thing so I'll just direct everyone to Daniel Henninger's piece today in the WSJ as worthy of your time.

[Barbara]

The use of the word "pledge" is unfortunate; pehaps "promise" or "commitment" would have been better.

Remember the super-creepy, skin-crawling "I pledge" video made by the Obots?

Chubby,

I had the same thought, but then I remembered how the dems seized on the phrase "Contract With America" and turned it into "Contract On America". I could just hear the dems making fun of the word "commitment" by saying that the repubs should be committed. A stretch to be sure, but why give them an opportunity to make fun of such serious matters.

[Jane (sit on the couch or save your country)]

Some of it's quite disappointing. Three days to read a bill? How about three months?

How about a day per page? Health care would have been voted on about 2093.

[Chubby]

Good point Barbara. If they dare to mock or attack the word "pledge" they will be virtually attacking themselves.

[Jane (sit on the couch or save your country)]

Fox is making a big deal of Chris Coates testifying and Glenn thinks Colbert has been scheduled to deflect. I am very excited about this development.

Any bets on how soon Coates will be fired?

[Frau Donnerstag]

The Dems did *not* have any plan in 2005. They ran against Dubya and increased oil prices. Madam Nancy pronounced that "we have a plan to lower prices" but never said what it might be. In 2003, Kerry had a secret plan but wouldn't reveal it because it would be debated and ruined. The Dems do this all the time.

Where's the provision that no bill will include amendments that have nothing to do with the bill itself? It's *always* used as a trap or bait.

[Frau Mehr Mut]

Courage, lyle. The JOMers helped me (and the pretend-Luddite Janet who now dazzles me with her abilities to post photos which I cannot yet do).
Copy the link and paste it under your email address in the box Web Site URL. The worst that can happen is a blank.

[lyle]

Thanks, Frau. Courage, indeed.

[Rick Ballard]

Clarice,

I believe I'd go with "carefully constructed persiflage" rather than "hastily written". The points are there but they are presented in a manner designed to limit easy sound bite rebuttal.

I find Erickson's screed unpersuasive (to be very kind). Boehner and Cantor have maintained a level of 'Just Say No' discipline within the caucus that is rather remarkable, given the thumpings of '06 and '08. The disciplined and constant resistance to President BOwser and the Democrat mass sprint off the precipice has "framed" the election in terms of clear choices.

Those who went along with the Three Stooges of the Democalypse are going to pay for it on November 2nd.

[Dave (in MA)]

People have been making a big stink about Jeff Perry (R candidate for MA 10th to replace Hugo's pal Bill Delahunt who Frankened his way into office in 1997) saying that he simply didn't want Palin to come to MA to campaign for him because she was an "entertainer".

Yesterday he was on the Howie Carr show [Audio (17:51)] and he said that his real intent was to say that she was a "celebrity" and that he didn't want to involve any national celebrities in his race. He even went so far as to record a show promo saying that he "really, really, really" loves Sarah Palin.

[lyle]

Victory! Yay!

[Jane (sit on the couch or save your country)]

I don't think it will hurt him Dave. BTW are you coming on October 9th? Pretty please.

[Rick Ballard]

NK,

Bloomberg has this on the ever shrinking Govmo IPO. I doubt that it will make it to market this year. Domestic auto sales certainly don't warrant much optimism.

[Porchlight]

This move is not meant to be a 'game changer' in any way - why should the Reps want to change direction or chance stalling momentum at this point?

Agree Rick. At worst it can't hurt.

As for RINO hunting, Charlie misses the point. No one up in '12 or beyond will want to get primaried, so we will see a nice rightward shift after November as a result of Castle, Murkowski, Bennett etc. You may not succeed in kicking them all out but you can get them to focus.

[bgates]

With common-sense exceptions for seniors, veterans, and our troops, we will roll back government spending to pre-stimulus, pre-bailout levels

Wow, back to the hardcore minarchist state of 2007 (with common-sense exceptions, of course).

There is a lot of red meat in the final document, though. Check out page 11(pdf).

Oh, super - about half of the final document is photos: the Statue of Liberty, a town hall meeting, Americans at a construction site, talking to Representatives, veterans' events, etc.

Go through the 15 pages of pictures, and find the black guy.

[Rob Crawford]

Go through the 15 pages of pictures, and find the black guy.

Why? Do you think we're Democrats, counting noses and their respective skin colors?

[Jeff]

anyone who thinks this document was produced for the base is not thinking about the entire electorate ...

the base doesn't win elections alone ...

independents do and independents need a reason to vote for you ... this gives them one ...

[bgates]

Why? Do you think we're Democrats

No, I think the Democrats are Democrats, and the Republican ineptitude in photo selection lets the Democrat propaganda machine ignore all the policy proposals in the document in favor of catchy headlines like "Republican Vision For America Doesn't Include Black People".

[Pagar]

Lyle, I believe you have successfully LUNed.

[a]

The pledge says nothing about earmarks. Wazzup with that?

[Rob Crawford]

bgates -- so? Respond with, "sorry, we did not pick the photos in order to exclude -- or include -- anyone."

Anyone who still bitches is a race hustler and shouldn't be allowed in civil company.

[bgates]

OT, from Drudge:
THR: Are you concerned that American Netflix subscribers will look north and ask for the same discount Canadians get at $7.99?

[Netflix CEO] Hastings: How much has it been your experience that Americans follow what happens in the world? It's something we'll monitor, but Americans are somewhat self-absorbed.

I'll say this for Netflix, their site makes cancellation a breeze.

[hit and run]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100923/ap_on_sp_ot/us_congress_concussions>Congress takes up student athlete concussions Word I'm hearing is that the Democrats have asked Adam Sandler to testify before the committee in character as http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120484/>Robert 'Bobby' Boucher, Jr.

[Rick Ballard]

Here's the Bloomberg synopsis. Here's AP.

I don't find either particularly objectionable - both indicate the 'clear choice' available to the electorate.

[Barbara]

If they dare to mock or attack the word "pledge" they will be virtually attacking themselves.

Chubby,

Yes! Now, wouldn't that be fun to see!

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

The point of this "Pledge" and roll out isn't to "change votes". The purpose is to energize conservative/Repub voters

I think the whole thing is stupid. 21 pages, give me a break. No one, other than hardcore politicals will read it. 10 bullet points on one page, okay, 21 pages just points out how out of touch these idiots are.

Like my son said this morning - Things were well in hand across the country to defeat these clueless Beltway types and then the Repubs have to come in an eff it all up.

[Dave (in MA)]

Hey Jane, my nephews have a game at 1. Who are your guest speakers?

[narciso]

Not that it matter's Jeff, loved you on Nash Bridges, btw, lol, but when throwing stones, in the LUN

[Extraneus]

the Three Stooges of the Democalypse

That's a keeper.

[Dave (in MA)]

Netflix has been sending us at least 50% broken unwatchable discs since 9/09. While I'm sure it's my town's post office causing the damage, maybe we should step up our rental frequency to blow through as much of their inventory as possible seeing as how we're so self-absorbed.

[maryrose]

Charlie from Colorado is also ok with me.As far as RINOS go I don't think we can lump them all together and dismiss them. Lincoln Chafee -no Snowe and Collins are with us in a lot of the crucial votes the exception being the stimulus. The people that lost in the primaries deserved to lose. They took their seats for granted and should have known better. In Bennett's case in Utah 'he's too old, in Murkowski's case she thought she was entitled to the seat. Remember her warning to Sarah Palin to"keep your hands off my Senate seat?" To the manor born-well no longer. As to Kerry [magic hat} I'd watch my back in the next election.

[Rob Crawford]

I think the whole thing is stupid. 21 pages, give me a break. No one, other than hardcore politicals will read it. 10 bullet points on one page, okay, 21 pages just points out how out of touch these idiots are.

They should have picked four messages, fleshed out three or four events/speeches to amplify each one, and then spend each of the four weeks leading up to the election focused on ONE of the messages.

The last one -- right before the Comedy Central Million Morons Stumble -- should have been about "respecting the citizenry".

[Captain Hate]

Excellently stated by your son SP2P; I think this is the sole bit of good news for the donkeycrats this month.

[Pagar]

" ever shrinking Govmo IPO"

Can't imagine why? But this might be a clue!

"We have determined that our disclosure controls and procedures and our internal control over financial reporting are currently not effective. The lack of effective internal controls could materially adversely affect our financial condition and ability to carry out our business plan.”

Buying stock in a IPO where the government owns a major share and the "Lack of effective internal controls" statement stares you right in the face does not seem to me to be a logical use of my money.

[Porchlight]

Excellently stated by your son SP2P; I think this is the sole bit of good news for the donkeycrats this month.

I guess I don't understand this. How does a ineffectual but not objectionable proposal by the GOP materially affect an election where the voters' prime motive is and has been total fury at Democrats and their agenda? Especially if as Sara indicated, very few people read it?

[centralcal]

Porchlight. Excellent point.

[Clarice]

Thwup--the sound you hear is me vacuuming up another Rick B keeper.

[Rick Ballard]

Porchlight,

Cook only downgraded seven Dem House seats today. Maybe that's it. There are only a paltry 105 Democrat seats in play versus a tremendous 16 Republican seats, so obviously the Republicans are clueless.

[Captain Hate]

Porch, because I think it's a more anti-incumbent and anti-business-as-usual election and the Repubs had been well served by keeping their yaps shut and letting the donks skewer themselves. That there wasn't a handy bullet point summary accompanying it leads me to believe that this was a hastily slapped together, reflexive response to the donks saying through their MFM mouthpieces that the Repubs had no plan. That could be answered a number of ways, including pointing out that Pelosi and her minions weren't held to any similar standard but also including to repeal Bammydontcare and TARP before they can do further damage. Plus to me it is so obviously a copycat move of something that did work in the past because it was well thought-out and came from out of nowhere.

Hopefully you're right but I see this as an opportunity for the MFMers to nitpick and occupy blah-blah time that could be better spent on why Chris Coons is a marxist loser.

[jimmyk]

I think I missed that one ...

Chubby, see my 11:43 followup.

This move is not meant to be a 'game changer' in any way - why should the Reps want to change direction or chance stalling momentum at this point?

Rick, I'm not sure anything is such a lock that the Reps can just put their knees down at the line of scrimmage and run down the clock. It's not about changing the momentum, it's about driving the final stake through the heart of the beast. You don't do that with 21-page position papers that no one will read. You may be right about Dodd-Frank, but staking out some clear specific positions is good both for the election and, as someone pointed out, for governance, meaning holding their feet to the fire once they're in office.

[sylvia]

Well since stalking is not an issue for Tom Maguire, I have Tom's home address in Connecticutt. Also his phone number. Also probably the address of the schools in the areas.

Tom, let me know if that is a problem to post these addresses for everyone. I'll probably post them later on. Thanks.

[bkv]

sylvia = crazy beeeeaaaatch

[Porchlight]

Hopefully you're right but I see this as an opportunity for the MFMers to nitpick and occupy blah-blah time that could be better spent on why Chris Coons is a marxist loser.

Yes, but the MFMers were never going to talk about why Chris Coons is a marxist loser.

They can nit-pick all they want but it doesn't change the basic dynamics of the election which is that people want Dems the eff out of office, yesterday. There is simply nothing the Dems can do except maybe motivate their side to turn out. A wonkish 21 page document by the Repubs ain't going to help them with that.

[bgates]

so? Respond with, "sorry,

"Republicans Apologize For Excluding Minorities From Their Vision Of America".

Nobody in the country was ever going to be more likely to vote for Republicans because of the photos in this document except maybe the photographer's mother. The best they could hope to do with the pictures was to avoid unforced errors that played into lazy press stereotypes, and they failed at that.

[JM Hanes]

Congratulations, sylvia. You are now a bona fide stalker. Don't count on getting a good judge, or just being taken to small claims court instead of the real deal, if you persist.

[Clarice]

So, to punish TM for not stopping stalking which exists only in her mind, Sylvia is threatening to publish online info which might lead to TM and his family being stalked. What a nice person and what a sensible plan that is.

I will personally plug anyone who ever engages her again with two pistolas full of shot.

[Jane]

Who are your guest speakers?

So far Tina Hood, Dr Aaron Blake and I'm working on a guy from citizen for limited taxation. Plus we have a band, Janet's music and a local kid who sang the SBB at Fenway and will sing it here.

[Rob Crawford]

The best they could hope to do with the pictures was to avoid unforced errors that played into lazy press stereotypes, and they failed at that.

Alternatively: "Republicans Desperate for Minorities, Resort to Stock Photos".

It's a losing game either way, so refuse to play.

[maryrose]

Captain Hate:
Coons has denied he's a marxist-try to keep up!
People want to vote for something and for some type of plan for the future. All pundits have said dems have nothing. Well the repubs have something and they have better candidates. Let's not resort to loser dem stategies. I agree with Porch.

[Jane]

Chaco has been here a long long time so he is one of ours.

Sylvia, you are not. And your latest post shows just how ugly you are.

[Porchlight]

Honestly, bgates, they've spent the better part of 40 years on those stereotypes. This is not a year where that argument is going to make a flipping bit of difference.

It's too late. Dems have screwed the pooch. They are not going to turn it around in the last two minutes of the game because there weren't enough black faces in some GOP press release.

[Rob Crawford]

If it bothers you that much, maybe they can have Allen West answer any accusations.

[Captain Hate]

Ok Porch, you're probably right. I just don't want anything to arrest the momentum in the next 6 weeks. I've been waiting for a long time for an election result to be so overwhelmingly against the commiecrats that they toss the Kos types out and start having the Scoop Jackson types be more than a vague memory. I honestly believe the country would be well-served by having two broad-based viable parties but clearly the donks threw their lot with the lefty idiots a long time ago. If there was such a thing as a conservative democrat (which Lieberman is not) there could be RINOs without that causing problems.

[Porchlight]

Cap'n,

It's not like I think the Repub leadership (or this proposal) is everything it ought to be. It's just that this year, this one November, it might just be out of their hands...in a good way.

After November 3rd, it's a different story.

[sylvia]

"You are now a bona fide stalker"

Ahh heck. What's the problem? I was just joking. Can't you guys take a joke? It seems you take them pretty well when Hit and Run threatens to come to my house.

But I thought Tom didn't think it was a big deal to go there, so he shouldn't mind right? I actually do have his info. It is publically available.

[Ann]

Bryon York asks a great question and finds out the Democrats have no agenda. Hahahahahaha

Dems attack GOP 'Pledge.' So what's their agenda?

[Extraneus]

Isn't it time to report sylvia to the police? She's been simmering on this idiotic stalking paranoia for how long now? Months? And now she's making demands and upping the ante with threats, and today she claims to have TM's address. What's next?

[Old Lurker]

Oh did she say something Jane?

DNFFT

[Judge Wopner]

Word on the street is sylvia won big in small claims.

[Old Lurker]

DNFTT....

[Ignatz]

--Chaco has been here a long long time so he is one of ours.--

I used to have occasional debilitiating back pain for a long long time too.
Doesn't mean I would have minded if it had quit being so easily irritated and irritating or that I was sad when it went away.

[Rick Ballard]

jimmyk,

I suppose I'm thinking more along the lines of a 'one head at a time' battle against the Hydra than 'stake through the heart'. I would dearly love to see the progs buried at a crossroad on November 2nd but I know that the rump of the Dem party which will remain is going to be solid Blue Hell progs. Redistricting is going to thin them (indictments will get a few more) but, IMO, '10 is just the prelim for '12.

[narciso]

Speaking of the mad, Crazy Mahmoud has been babbling incoherently for sometime now

[Mark]

Could these guys say anymore without saying anything,this crapt just tics me off,they did not even try to stick with crapt of 94 I want to here and see in writing that they are going to shrink govererment,reduce taxes,control the border,audit the fed and limit their terms in congress.I don't think they have got a clue yet,sounds like same old same crapt.