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September 01, 2010

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Clarice

We used to allow taxpayers to deduct credit card interest..Wonder how that would work?

Actually, I think leaving the Bush tax cuts in place would be better.Make them permanent.

Thomas Collins

For a substantial quick jolt, a negative head tax (in which Ben or Timmy simply wire money into folks' accounts) is probably the best thing. The only responsible tax thing to do, however, would be a permanent lowering of marginal tax rates across the board (for example, a top 28% rate on ordinary income and 10% on capital gains), with a repeal of add on doofus taxes (such as the ObamaCare tax on investment income) and repeal of deduction phaseouts. Of course, the responsible thing to do is what we know won't be done.

All this economic angst makes me weary. We elected Kirchner types, and we are on our way to being Argentina unless we elect folks who are neither progs nor Trent Lott type GOPers. Very simple, actually.

Army of Davids

A problem for Crist in Florida.

Rubio needs to hammer him on this.

August 31, 2010

Home Values Fell 16% in 2008, But Property Taxes Rose 4.2%

Tax Foundation, Property Tax Revenue Increased As Property Values Fell:
The Case-Shiller index, a popular measure of residential home values, shows a drop of almost 16% in home values across the country between 2007 and 2008. As property values fell, one might expect property tax collections to have fallen commensurately, but in most cases they did not.
Data on state and local taxes from the U.S. Census Bureau show that most states' property owners paid more in FY 2008 (July 1, 2007, through June 30, 2008) than they had the year before (see Table 1). Nationwide, property tax collections increased by more than 4%. In only four states were FY 2008's collections lower than in FY 2007: Michigan, South Carolina, Texas and Vermont. And in three states—Florida, Indiana and New Mexico—property tax collections rose more than 10%.
Rank
State
Increase
Per Capita Tax
1
Florida
11.7%
$1,649
2
Indiana
11.6%
$1,089
3
New Mexico
10.2%
$568
4
Hawaii
9.7%
$977
5
Nevada
9.2%
$1,241
6
Alabama
9.1%
$495
7
West Virginia
8.7%
$683
8
Oklahoma
8.4%
$582
9
Minnesota
7.6%
$1,273
10
California
7.6%
$1,449




U.S. Average
4.2%
$1,352




41
Alaska
2.4%
$1,559
42
Iowa
2.4%
$1,245
43
New York
2.3%
$2,009
44
Tennessee
2.0%
$752
45
Ohio
1.8%
$1,178
46
Maryland
0.6%
$1,171
47
South Carolina
(1.7%)
$963
48
Michigan
(2.4%)
$1,443
49
Texas
(3.8%)
$1,393
50
Vermont
(4.9%)
$1,896

Army of Davids

Look who is number 1

Crist ran a campaign to cut property taxes. It got worse.

Lord Whorfin

After watching the coverage of New Orleans 5 year Katrina anniversary, and seeing them all still crying for the government to help them, I wondered what the five year anniversary was like in Alabama and Mississippi.

Clarice, Tom,or DoT, can you explore this further?? I don't have the connections.

Thanks to all

Lord Whorfin

Sorry- there should be an OT at the top of my last post.

Thomas Collins

Actually, Lord Whorfin, it's on topic. I suspect whatever tax cuts Obama supports will be vetted through Axelturfrodder for targeting to those who will most help the Dem get out the vote effort in November of 2010.

matt

I wonder if he'll act as he did in Iraq and continue with Bush tax cuts, but just say they're his.

Rob Crawford

For one thing, a permanent reduction in tax rates focused on the affluent — along the lines of those 2001 Bush tax cuts...

A contemptible lie. The "Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001", among other changes, did the following to tax rates:

* a new 10% bracket was created for single filers with taxable income up to $6,000, joint filers up to $12,000, and heads of households up to $10,000.
* the 15% bracket's lower threshold was indexed to the new 10% bracket
* the 28% bracket would be lowered to 25% by 2006.
* the 31% bracket would be lowered to 28% by 2006
* the 36% bracket would be lowered to 33% by 2006
* the 39.6% bracket would be lowered to 35% by 2006

The EGTRRA in many cases lowered the taxes on married couples filing jointly by increasing the standard deduction for joint filers to between 174% and 200% of the deduction for single filers.

Sounds like an across-the-board decrease in tax rates to me.

(Source? The right-wing-death-beasts at Wikipedia, LUN)

Clarice

Brilliant, Matt.

Dave (in MA)
Actually, I think leaving the Bush tax cuts in place would be better.Make them permanent.
Racist!
Ignatz

Bush and Obama have together already supplied us with tax rebates, cash for clunkers, home tax credits and other temporary tax schemes, not to mention the feckless obscenity known as porkulus, which itself was proclaimed as a short term, temporary stimulus.
Clearly none of them have done anything for growth over the long run and it has been the conscious decision to try and "jump start the economy" through stupid temporary gimmicks that has kept us locked into this recession.
It's hard to think of any short term policy that isn't stupid policy. We're coming up on two years since the deepest trough of the recession and three years since the NBER says it began, so we're already well into the area where permanent tax cuts would have begun to have their positive effects, just as they do every time they're tried.

bgates

Hey, Army, quit spamming that goddamn unformatted list on every post.

a permanent reduction in tax rates focused on the affluent — along the lines of those 2001 Bush tax cuts — does little to lift growth in the short term.

Since they're due to expire next year, "permanent" is a misnomer; "focus on the affluent" is hard to avoid in the cut given that they are the focus of the tax itself, and pay a greater percentage of it now than before; and the idea that economic activity does not increase if the people who have proven most adept at generating economic activity are rewarded more for doing so, is almost too stupid even to laugh at.

Dave (in MA)

James Lileks had an interesting blurb in his daily Bleat the other day:

Then three hours of the Hewitt show. [...] A woman – nicely dressed, well-groomed – came out of the bar next door and stood in front of the booth and shouted REDNECKS.

Uh huh. One of the people sitting on a bench, listening to the show, said “Come back and let’s talk!” The woman kissed her fingers and placed them on her rear. Well, that’ll learn us to discuss the deficit in terms of its proportion of the GDP


Rob Crawford

I guess Bubu visited the Minnesota state fair?

Rob Crawford

A Lileksism I wish was more widespread:

Thank you for visiting my site and calling my friend a cancer; there’s the door.

Jim Ryan

It's time for the wealthy to start paying their fair share. I demand that their federal taxes rates be slashed by 50% just for starters.

Ever notice that fairness demands that each person pay the same absolute amount in taxes? Even a flat tax rate is unjust to the wealthy. The Fair Tax avoids this problem.

Janet

Those hatless types can be pretty crude.

Porchlight

Of course the cuts are going to the more affluent - they're the only ones paying federal taxes in the first place. The bottom 40% of filers either break even or come out ahead, with all the various deductions and tax credits.

I informed a (liberal, natch) friend of this percentage a year or so ago. She said, no, silly, most people have federal taxes automatically deducted from their paychecks. I said yes - now compare the amount you paid in to your federal refund. D'oh! It was complete news to her.

We're paddling upstream in a river of ignorance on this issue.

Ignatz

This Thomas Sowell column may have been linked before but I just wanted to make sure that it was for our resident ignoramus's sake.
Here's Sowell's best line:

There are people for whom moral preening has become a way of life. They are out in force denouncing critics of the Ground Zero mosque.

This one's for you bubu.

Neo

I keep seeing this scenario in the back of my mind …
Take a look at the equity markets .. all beat up such that many folks have now fled to bonds (of all things paying nothing). The fed has the cost of money at near zero.
Exactly what is to stop some big bank from buying the equity markets low with near zero interest rate money from the fed ?
Talk about making the rich richer. Of course, they probably won’t get rich until the Republicans show up, but it will have been setup by the Democrats.

Ignatz


Interesting article from Asia Times via RCP
discussing the possibility of stagflation in the USA.

Ignatz

Actually that was via RCM not RCP.

Danube of Thought

I saw recently somewhere--maybe Taranto--a discussion of the possibility that the Dems will continue the Bush cuts, but will describe what they are doing as "repealing the Bush tax increases." The rationale for this deception--which, let's face it, is less brazen than many other things they do--is that it is Bush's legislation that calls for rates to revert to their pre-2001 levels on 1/1/2011.

They can count on almost no one recalling that the Dems threatened a filibuster unless the sunset provision was included.

matt

thanks, clarice.

You know, I tossed that off cynically, and yet it would have a massive effect on market psychology. Q4 is traditionally lousy, and this could stimulate the economy inexpensively with a huge psychological boost at a time when psychology is a significant component of the problem. I did a couple hundred words on it. LUN.

narciso

My own state's supreme court 'acting stupidly'
again, this time with even less logic than usual, in the LUN

daddy

Yay,

Another ">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703882304575465634035917078.html"> Feldman with uncommon common sense trying to save this country.

jimmyk

Since they're due to expire next year, "permanent" is a misnomer

Not only that, but since nothing was done to curtail spending, people aren't as stupid as politicians and realize that taxes are going to have to go up to pay for all the debt (Ricardo trumps Laffer in this case). So even if it was called "permanent," it obviously was not.

Jack is Back!

AoD,

I am no Charlie Crist fan. He has put my state at serious economic risk with the Citizens Insurance program. That aside, what is happening here is less than you think. Yes, property values have decreased significantly like elsewhere but probably because of proliferation of second homes which are not homestead exempt. That and our leadership in foreclosures and over-built, over-flipped condos. Our home has been devalued over 35% by the property assessor but using the roll-back rate to stabilize the tax revenue our taxes will still be going down significantly. And we live in a gated golf community on the ocean.

Rubio has a lot of ammo to use on Charlie. All he has to do is keep running the Ft. Myers vid of February 2009 with Obama. That cooked Charlie's goose for good. And with Meek in the race - no matter if the DNC decides to not make him a bankroll priority - Charlie doesn't have enough of the Indies to pull him through. He will take Indie votes away from Meek as well as the panhandle "blue dogs".

OT: We are getting our best surf so far, thanks to Earl. Flagler Beach and New Smyrna are the mecca's of Florida East Coast surfing and the surfers are out there in the hundreds. But expect some terrible tragedies also from the unskilled public that don't know how to handle rip tides and currents. Especially those who are marginal swimmers.

NK

Rob Crawford's cut n'paste from wiki nicely summarizes the income tax effect of the 2003 law. But there was more to to the 2003 law, business investment cuts. A major problem in the economy 2000-2002 had been the tech crash-- no not the dot.coms, the hard/software crash because the Y2K scam -- remember that-- caused virtually all hardware to be replaced 1998-1999-- that was part of the Clinton Tech Bubble.Nobody in business, I mean nobody had need for tech equipment 2000-2002, and the lack of business investment was a major cause of the "jobless recovery" the media pushed, remember? the 2003 bill gave important depreciation treatment to business investment, and that worked beautifully. the 2003 bill was a rare bit of good economics out of washington. Tax cuts this time-- more useless BHO spending crap for the "poor". It will be worse than useless.

Pofarmer

I dunno, it think "tax cuts" will have about as much effect right now as further interest rate decreases.

Pofarmer

You gotta be kidding me. Weekly jobless claims at 473,000 is GOOD news?

jimmyk

Po, I think you're right, for the same reason I said above, which is that as long as spending goes unchecked, (most) people can see right through tax cuts. That's Ricardo.

Rob Crawford

I dunno, it think "tax cuts" will have about as much effect right now as further interest rate decreases.

Same here. While I'd love to have government's hand out of my pocket, I think the critical thing for the economy is paring back regulation and above all STABILIZING. It seems like we're getting some attempt from the government to futz with the economy every three months or so -- STOP! Until people have an idea what to expect, there's no way to plan ahead.

MarkJ

I'm not sure Obama has any concept of how to deal retaining the Bush tax cuts: to keep in them in place would be to...

1. Admit Bush was actually right about something.

2. Knock the props out from under one of Obama's most cherished ideas; namely, that raising taxes automatically solves problems.

I suspect the only way Obama will go along with retaining the tax cuts will be for the Donks to suffer so crushing a defeat in November his Democrat good-time buddies will mob the Oval Orifice (when he's actually in it and not on vacation) and demand he keep them.

rse

John Goodman writes an excellent post on why the economy is not recovering-the regulatory uncertainty in so many areas.

LUN

His point about the Health Care bill saying "the Secretary shall" almost 1100 times is an underappreciated point. It's still uncertain even after reading a few thousand pages on any of these issues.

My understanding is the fin reg statute is the worst. Details to be determined when the newly created agencies start work.

jimmyk

It seems almost inevitable that they will keep the cuts but only for those making under $2xx,000, thereby making the tax code even more "progressive" (meaning punitive on the most productive people, and discouraging anyone from moving into that group), and hastening the day when fewer than 50% of the populace pays any federal income tax at all.

Jack is Back!

Just my opinion from talking to a lot of small business owners and some industrial guys in our area, but this whole ObamaCare, Cap and Trade, Financial regulation, tax cut expiration seems to be gnawing at them more than anything. I know the word uncertainty has been over-used in some ways but it is a fact of life for businesses who want to grow or maintain status quo. Pull back is the new repeal. Pull back from enacting any more legislation that affects the economy negatively including card check, cap and trade, bailing out fannie and freddie. Stop with the so called stimulus bullshit and extending unemployment benefits or further bailouts - just stop, look and listen to what the people, small business and even your friendly hedge-fund manager is saying. Pull back like you did in Iraq, Erkel and things will look better than they look now.

Ignatz


Good article by Peter Wallison
on the problems, perhaps very large ones, FinReg AKA Dodd-Frank will cause.

PD

Giving Wikileaks a taste of its own medicine.

Extraneus

Mr. Encyclopedia responded, bgates.

Dave (in MA)

Meanwhile, on the local front...
Deval Patrick put out a press release boasting about how the rate of increase of MA property taxes on average went down this year. And he says that even if voters approve a ballot question reducing the state sales tax from 6.25 to 3 percent, Governor Patrick won't promise to implement the cuts. Stick that in your hat.

sylvia

Tax cuts are not the answer. Any of these stimulus cuts end up creating more problems than they cause - such as the low mortage rates leading to the housing bubble.

I say keep the tax rates sufficient to lead to a decreased deficit. The rest is just waiting for people to lose money on real estate so that housing can become affordable again.

You know if they really wanted to experiment, they should expermient with decentraling our economy away from NYC and DC. Maybe move some of the giant Fed complex and some jobs out of the DC area.

That would spread jobs out to where people need them and at the same time lower real estate in the major cities. But that would be the advanced course.

Ignatz

--I dunno, it think "tax cuts" will have about as much effect right now as further interest rate decreases.--

Well it would certainly help if the regulatory ambushes awaiting business were dismantled, but incentives are still incentives and tax cuts do not work by the same mechanism low interest rates do.
Loower taxes still cause economic activity which otherwise would not have occurred.
The certainty that the Dems were going to let the Bush cuts expire was baked into things. Making them permanent, especially cap gains and dividends which are set to take the largest percentage hike, coupled with a good sized reduction in the corporate tax rate would amount psycholgically to a large tax cut.
Then all we need is the one thing we haven't had since the 1930's; someone with the guts or principles or both to slash the size of government.

Clarice

Thanks, daddy.

sylvia

I don't think tax rates have tht much of an effect on the economy.

But if they did - Clinton raises taxes on the rich, economy booms. Bush lowers taxes on the rich, economy slowly strangles. Enuff said.

Dave (in MA)

Democrats control Congress, economy tanks. Enuff said. this is a fun game

Neo

Looks like the folks over at the Discovery Channel will be in line for "combat pay."

http://savetheplanetprotest.com/

Buford Gooch

Wow. This blog is always entertaining, but especially when Sylvia from Planet Xenon shows up. A nice, sensible discussion on taxes, tax cuts, and the economy gets diverted down some rat hole or other.

sylvia

"Democrats control Congress, economy tanks. Enuff said. this is a fun game"

Doesn't matter. The cuts were the cuts. No excuses accepted.

Dave (in MA)

No excuses.

Jane

And he says that even if voters approve a ballot question reducing the state sales tax from 6.25 to 3 percent, Governor Patrick won't promise to implement the cuts.

Charlie Baker should run solely on the promise that he will uphold the MA constitution and do what the people say.

daddy

I am unexpectedly not going to read this Reuters story telling us "The U.S. manufacturing sector grew faster than expected in August ">http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100901/bs_nm/us_usa_economy"> but private employers unexpectedly cut jobs, showing the economic recovery still faces major headwinds.”

But I am going to unexpectedly walk the dog today.
And I am going to unexpectedly scroll on by Anduril posts.
And then I am going to unexpectedly drink a beer.
And then I am going to unexpectedly laugh at anything bgates writes in the next couple hours.
And then I am going to unexpectedly ignore whatevers posted by Sylvia or any of our resident trolls.
And then I am going to unexpectedly drink another beer.
And then I am going to unexpectedly drink another beer.
And then I am unexpectedly going to go to bed.
And then tomorrow I am going to get up and unexpectedly do the same damn thing all over again.


Rob Crawford

A nice, sensible discussion on taxes, tax cuts, and the economy gets diverted down some rat hole or other.

Speaking of rat holes, when I was a kid, the local harvest festival ALWAYS had a game in which players bet on which hole a rat would run into. The holes were along the edge of a table which would spin, and the rat was placed in the center. The guy running the table would announce the close of betting, lift the pan off the rat, and ring a cow bell about a foot above the rat's head.

I think I won $1.25 once, off a quarter bet.

sylvia

Your after doesn't show up.

Threadkiller

Would someone repost the encyclopedia link?

Thanks.

sylvia

"And then I am going to unexpectedly ignore whatevers posted by Sylvia or any of our resident trolls. "

Sorry I am a person who almost never insults or messes with others but who speaks her mind contructively on the issues, which may not always agree with you. For you to think that I am a troll
shows that you are an adherent to group think and cannot process opinions different than your own. But what else can you expect from people? They have their limitations.

jimmyk

Clinton raises taxes on the rich, economy booms. Bush lowers taxes on the rich, economy slowly strangles. Enuff said.

Lots of police arresting people, lots of crime. No police presence, no arrests, no crime. Enuff said.

daddy

Shoot, I like the Discovery Channel.

Couldn't this guy have gone into the Home Shopping Network Building or maybe MTV?

Bummer.

Threadkiller

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2007/01/~/media/Images/Reports/bg2001/bg2001table_3_lg.ashx " width="75" height="46" />

there.

lyle
I don't think tax rates have tht much of an effect on the economy.

But if they did - Clinton raises taxes on the rich, economy booms. Bush lowers taxes on the rich, economy slowly strangles. Enuff said.

Rarely does one see an apothegm as utterly ignorant as this. I'm in awe.

sylvia

And by the way Dave, 6 quarters is a year and a half after the tax cuts. That's not enough to time to gauge the effects. It's possible it may have had some short term effect right after, but we don't have to be historians to know that the end result was a recession as Bush left office. And which we are still under.

cathyf

Judge Feldman is playing by the rules, which means that, in fact, he has no authority. The 6-month moratorium was originally issued on May 28, that was 3 months ago. Even if he were to send out federal marshals this very day to throw Salazar in jail for contempt of court, they still got 3 of their 6 months. And given that these things are huge operations with long lead times and careful planning, they have already gotten more than six months of wrecking that little corner of the economy.

(Which is not to say that Feldman shouldn't throw Salazar in the pokey just on general principle...)

MayBee

Sounds like a zero population growth nut who is in the Discover Channel building.

sylvia

"Rarely does one see an apothegm as utterly ignorant as this. I'm in awe."

Reason? Oh never mind, trolls don't care about reasons. They care about trolling.

Threadkiller

There was no "there" there.

Danube of Thought

Be careful how you use that word "Mecca," JiB, and in the name of Allah (may his name be praised), be sure you capitalize it. You might give offense or be decapitated.

Extraneus

Here, TK. He's moderating my comment now. (Took exception to his reference to honor after listing 20 honorable characterizations of his opponents as idiotic teabagging sycophantic masses, etc.)

daddy

Hey everybody,

Today a Judge in Durham released that nice former Duke lacrosse case accuser, Crystal Mangum, from electronic house arrest ">http://www.heraldsun.com/view/full_story/8739482/article-Judge-releases-Mangum-from-house-arrest?instance=homefourthleft"> while she awaits trial on arson and other charges.

"The charges against Mangum stem from a February domestic incident involving her and a man named Milton Walker. Police allege that as they were investigating a 911 call, Mangum threatened to kill Walker, and put some of his clothes in a bathtub and set fire to them."

Anybody know if this release was unexpected?

Ignatz

--I don't think tax rates have tht much of an effect on the economy.

Posted by: sylvia--

I rest my case.

jimmyk

Rarely does one see an apothegm as utterly ignorant as this. I'm in awe.

I'm going to agree with this even before I look up the meaning of "apothegm."

Threadkiller

Now?

Extraneus

I fear he may be the honorable type who holds comments unless he thinks his stinging comeback is so good that he posts both.

sylvia

See my above post on that Threadkiller.

And Daddy, folks always use the "nuts and sluts" defense against sexual assualt charges, but even a nut and/or a slut can be assaulted. In fact probably them more so than others because it's easier to get away with it. So proving she's a nut and/or slut does not prove anything about the facts of that night.

SaveFarris
one thing, a permanent reduction in tax rates focused on the affluent — along the lines of those 2001 Bush tax cuts — does little to lift growth in the short term.

Maybe they didn't work in the "short term" because they weren't fully implemented until 2003.

MayBee

I fear he may be the honorable type who holds comments unless he thinks his stinging comeback is so good that he posts both.

Ha, Ex! I think you are on to something.

sylvia

"--I don't think tax rates have tht much of an effect on the economy."

Well let me expand, as I thought my meaning was obvious but apparently not. A percentge point here or there that everyone fights over I do not think makes that much effect, as compared to other important factors in the economy that can be at play.

bgates

Thanks for the notice, Ext. My reply is in the queue with yours.

I gave him a few opportunities to choose to be insulted.

I fear he may be the honorable type who holds comments unless he thinks his stinging comeback is so good that he posts both.

Yeah...I get the sense that his job at the Encyclopedia must have been one that didn't involve much use of words, because he's not very good with them. Do you get to be called "editor" if you make sure the pages are numbered in order?

Threadkiller

You get to be called editor if you editorialize.

lyle

"Reason? Oh never mind, trolls don't care about reasons. They care about trolling."

I may not comment all that much here but I'm certainly not a troll. I see you've followed up in the initial comment expanding it somewhat.

But, a reason? How about answering a question. Do you recall any salient aspects of the economy circa 1996 to, say, 2000 that might have had an impact on tax revenues? Anything at all?

Captain Hate

So proving she's a nut and/or slut does not prove anything about the facts of that night.

What facts would those be? You realize that the state AG said there was no evidence that anything illegal happened that night in which the LAX players were involved, don't you? That's a highly unusual statement for a state attorney to make if there's any doubt about somebody's innocence or guilt.

I still think one of the most amazing things is that one of Crystal's children called the police when she tried to torch her boyfriend in her most current dustup, proving there's some level of sanity or responsibility in the family albeit in an unexpected place.

sylvia

Well the only thing I know is Crystal recounted the most accurate version of the nights events, in terms of timeline and who was where and when, and the LAX players and her stripper friend pretty much told lies about the timeline. So right there, I do not lose all credibilty for her for that night.

"That's a highly unusual statement for a state attorney to make if there's any doubt about somebody's innocence or guilt."

Yes that was wrong, and supports my conclusion that this was too emotionally weighted for most people to be rational on it. Pakistan and US - not as different as everyone thinks.

Clarice

Let me see if I have this right...There are people here having a discussion with Sylvia about Crystal? After all our history together?

Would those of you involved please email me your addys pronto, I have a once in a lifetime offer for you which will expire in five minutes.

Ignatz

Here's a fairly troubling dispatch from Iraq. I hope it's wrong.
************************
--I may not comment all that much here but I'm certainly not a troll.--

Then let me assist you lyle. One can either profitably shoot at sylvia or ignore it.
Hoping to reason with it is, I'm afraid, a forlorn hope.

Rob Crawford

lyle -- I believe the person you're addressing has stated in the past that she thinks EVERYONE here is a sockpuppet for someone or another. We're ALL trolls to her.

sylvia

Uh oh here she come again. Note my above point on people who canot discuss this case rationally.

Porchlight

Clarice's pistolas are going to make an appearance soon, I fear...

sylvia

"We're ALL trolls to her."

Nah, probably only about 50%. Depending on how busy the thread is at the time.

Clarice

Doctors fight back on Obamacare..warn them not to vote for Dems promising to Fix it. http://www.john-goodman-blog.com/why-is-the-economy-not-recovering/

sylvia

But I will posit that guesstimating that about 85% of the people who take me on are cybot trolls, because the troll seems to reserve special attention for me. Probably because I tend to disagree with the crowd.

Captain Hate

Crystal had the volume equivalent of a small to medium country's DNA in her vag; none of which was of the LAX players.

Clarice

Oopss--wrong link


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703369704575461840575037482.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop>Doctors

Threadkiller

Funny how Bob thought the center included a mosgue on ">http://www.britannica.com/blogs/2010/08/crackpots-arise-the-2010-campaign-is-off-to-a-great-start/"> August 10th:

Meanwhile, Newt Gingrich joined the amen chorus calling for a campaign to stop the construction of the Cordoba project, a community center planned for lower Manhattan that will incorporate a mosque.

But by
September">http://www.britannica.com/blogs/2010/09/campaign-2010-its-the-stupid-stupid/">September 1st:


Stephen Budiansky has a nice essay on the so-called Ground Zero Mosque, which is, as these things generally go when they become media sensations, neither a mosque nor at Ground Zero. I particularly like the Spanish proverb he quotes:
Olvidar la injuria es la mejor venganza.
“To forget an insult is the greatest revenge.”

To forget your own words of 20 days ago is insult enough for this clown.

sylvia

The LAX players lied to police that no non - LAX players were at the party. Had Crystal had their pictures, it's not impossible she might have identified them. And not impossible their DNA matched. But either way the photo line-up was bogus due to not having non-affiliated people in it, but that was the police's fault, not hers.

lyle

Thanks for the info, everyone. I'll take it under advisement re silvia. I've read JOM long enough to probably know better. The facile equation of BillyJeff's raising taxes = booming ecomony was too much for me.

Clarice

Think nothing of it and for heaven's sake don't remind us that Crystal pointed out several of the LAX players as her rapists making the last Sylviana post particularly absurd.

Dave (in MA)

Sylvia, did you have fun at the fair?

sylvia

Yes misindentifications always happen. That's why eyewitness testimony alone is almost never enough to convict anybody today.

Case in point, I am pretty sure my house burglar that I saw leaving my house works at the nearby McDonalds. He even served me at the drive thru once. Awkward! But there is nothing I can do about it because the fingerprints don't match. Cops won't take eyewitness testimony.

Captain Hate

And not impossible their DNA matched.

Shorter sylvia: I got nothing but the cartoons in my head. No real evidence but goddammit those boys of privilege are guilty of something. DNA doesn't lie although I suppose it's possible there was enough varied donors and species in Crystal's cooter that it could've overloaded CSI Durham's equipment.

MayBee

I know a thing or two about burglary, sylvia. I can tell you it was either AJ (the guy who just left your party), or the guy you got out of a bad relationship with.

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