What If They Gave A Quran Burning And Nobody Came?

President Obama follows Sarah Palin's lead in condemning the Quran burning slated for Sept 11.

Left unremarked in the Times coverage - just what is the culpability and responsibility of the media in covering this stunt?  The church hosting the Quran bonfire has all of fifty members and is not anyone's idea of mainstream.  Why are these Quran crackpots being given a platform to hold our national security hostage and endanger our troops?   

OK, part of the answer is that this started as a lovely opportunity for the liberal media to bash some crazed righties.  Fun's fun, but if the media is so worried about this, they might wonder why they feel obliged to cover it.  Will CNN be broadcasting live from the bonfire?  I bet they will.  But if fifty people gathered to demand a look at Obama's birth certificate (or Kerry's military records!), they would be ignored as crazy but not incendiary.  Or, closer to home, this is the same media that refused to publish the Mohammed cartoons that started riots in Europe.  Deep-sixing stories that don't fit their narrative is what these people do for a living - why not bury this one?

Some crackpot dreamed up a stunt that the liberal media loved, and now they don't know how to get off the tiger.  Well done.

FWIW, my recollection is that many sports broadcasters have a policy of cutting away from the field when some fool of a "fan" runs onto it, in order not to reward that misbehavior with attention.  A similar judgment would be appropriate here.

UPDATE:  Fox News and the AP join my boycott!  [OK, maybe this is the Howard Kurtz-led boycott, since I see he had a similarly-themed column at 6AM).    As does their website host, which raises new issues.  My view is that the church is free to be offensive and the media is free to ignore it.  As to their right to engage in offensive speech on the internet, I would lean to an expansive view.

HUH?  Now the pastor says he will cancel the burning because the imam has agreed to move the Ground Zero mosque.  Hard to believe.  Clever positioning, though - now he can blame the burning on that sneaky imam who reneged on their deal (whether they had one or not.)

MY LACK OF ORIGINALITY CONTINUES...  Mike Thomas of the Orlando Sentinel had the same "ignore this nobody" notion last night.

Comments

[anduril]

OK, how about this. What if this guy wraps the Koran in an American flag and burns the two together? I'd be interested to see whether we got some, well, conflicted responses.

[anduril]

OK, how about this. What if this guy wraps the Koran in an American flag and burns the two together? I'd be interested to see whether we got we'd get some, well, conflicted responses.

[sylvia]

You know what was funny is how did they have a raging protest in Afghanistan about it before I even heard of the story on cable news?

[BumperStickerist]

Why not have the local fire department create a rain shower on the property?

or have the Air National Guard have an oopsie-moment of having a forest fire fighting drop on the property

Or, to get all tricky about it, why don't a bunch of people donate Korans that have been dipped in fire retardant to the Dove Outreach Center?

"Say, these Korans don't seem to be burning so well ...."

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or, let me guess, would Muslims consider the act of dipping the Koran in fire retardant to be a desecration?

~ sigh ~ Seems you can't win,
can't even play to a tie.

[narciso]

But it does fit the narrative of the SRM, and
the Wahhabi grievance network, just like the
Brooklyn cabbie stabbing, the fire in Murfreesboro, et al, This is Abu Graib, 1000
fold, and likely to have that level of consequence

[matt]

if I was the local fire department, I'd have a couple of trucks available and 'oh, just by the way we're testing our hoses today".

That would undercut said Wahabbi Grievance Network nicely and could be shown on the evening news and America's funniest depictions of Muhammed.

[matt]

bumper;

didn't even get a chance to read yours....

[anduril]

Over at Forbes.com Dinesh D'Souza has an interesting piece on How Obama Thinks, which, however, I don't think goes far enough. Here's what I take to be the core of his thesis:

What then is Obama's dream? We don't have to speculate because the President tells us himself in his autobiography, Dreams from My Father. According to Obama, his dream is his father's dream. Notice that his title is not Dreams of My Father but rather Dreams from My Father. Obama isn't writing about his father's dreams; he is writing about the dreams he received from his father.

So who was Barack Obama Sr.? He was a Luo tribesman who grew up in Kenya and studied at Harvard. He was a polygamist who had, over the course of his lifetime, four wives and eight children. One of his sons, Mark Obama, has accused him of abuse and wife-beating. He was also a regular drunk driver who got into numerous accidents, killing a man in one and causing his own legs to be amputated due to injury in another. In 1982 he got drunk at a bar in Nairobi and drove into a tree, killing himself.

An odd choice, certainly, as an inspirational hero. But to his son, the elder Obama represented a great and noble cause, the cause of anticolonialism. Obama Sr. grew up during Africa's struggle to be free of European rule, and he was one of the early generation of Africans chosen to study in America and then to shape his country's future.

I know a great deal about anticolonialism, because I am a native of Mumbai, India. I am part of the first Indian generation to be born after my country's independence from the British. Anticolonialism was the rallying cry of Third World politics for much of the second half of the 20th century. To most Americans, however, anticolonialism is an unfamiliar idea, so let me explain it.

Anticolonialism is the doctrine that rich countries of the West got rich by invading, occupying and looting poor countries of Asia, Africa and South America. As one of Obama's acknowledged intellectual influences, Frantz Fanon, wrote in The Wretched of the Earth, "The well-being and progress of Europe have been built up with the sweat and the dead bodies of Negroes, Arabs, Indians and the yellow races."

Anticolonialists hold that even when countries secure political independence they remain economically dependent on their former captors. This dependence is called neocolonialism, a term defined by the African statesman Kwame Nkrumah (1909--72) in his book Neocolonialism: The Last Stage of Imperialism. Nkrumah, Ghana's first president, writes that poor countries may be nominally free, but they continue to be manipulated from abroad by powerful corporate and plutocratic elites. These forces of neocolonialism oppress not only Third World people but also citizens in their own countries. Obviously the solution is to resist and overthrow the oppressors. This was the anticolonial ideology of Barack Obama Sr. and many in his generation, including many of my own relatives in India.

Obama Sr. was an economist, and in 1965 he published an important article in the East Africa Journal called "Problems Facing Our Socialism." Obama Sr. wasn't a doctrinaire socialist; rather, he saw state appropriation of wealth as a necessary means to achieve the anticolonial objective of taking resources away from the foreign looters and restoring them to the people of Africa. For Obama Sr. this was an issue of national autonomy. "Is it the African who owns this country? If he does, then why should he not control the economic means of growth in this country?"

As he put it, "We need to eliminate power structures that have been built through excessive accumulation so that not only a few individuals shall control a vast magnitude of resources as is the case now." The senior Obama proposed that the state confiscate private land and raise taxes with no upper limit. In fact, he insisted that "theoretically there is nothing that can stop the government from taxing 100% of income so long as the people get benefits from the government commensurate with their income which is taxed."

Remarkably, President Obama, who knows his father's history very well, has never mentioned his father's article. Even more remarkably, there has been virtually no reporting on a document that seems directly relevant to what the junior Obama is doing in the White House.

While the senior Obama called for Africa to free itself from the neocolonial influence of Europe and specifically Britain, he knew when he came to America in 1959 that the global balance of power was shifting. Even then, he recognized what has become a new tenet of anticolonialist ideology: Today's neocolonial leader is not Europe but America. As the late Palestinian scholar Edward Said--who was one of Obama's teachers at Columbia University--wrote in Culture and Imperialism, "The United States has replaced the earlier great empires and is the dominant outside force."

It's been obvious for a long time that most of Obama's foreign hijinks can be readily explained through the prism of anti-colonialism. However, I would say that this same concept of anti-colonialism serves Obama as a metaphor (at the least) for the domestic "plight" of America (as he sees it), and should serve us as a way to understand his policies. The colonialists, of course, are the capitalists. The oppressed masses are the minorities, the "average working family," etc.

Obviously this doesn't differ in essentials from the Marxist derived rhetoric that liberals offer up. For Obama, the difference is that this former community organizer can use anti-colonialism to inject moral energy and fervor into his movement in a way that millionaire liberals cannot.

The problem for Obama is that he is essentially out of contact with the masses that he came to save. Instead of being able to expand his base of support, he relied on slippery rhetoric to obtain support by deception. Now that people at least have an inkling of where he's really coming from and where he wants to lead them, that base of support is shrinking back to the traditional Democratic base--at best.

[Rob Crawford]

Some crackpot dreamed up a stunt that the liberal media loved, and now they don't know how to get off the tiger. Well done.

Some crackpot -- associated with the life-long-Democrat, media darling Phelps -- set up a stunt that plays to the narrative the press is pushing, and the press flocks around him like flies on fresh cow flop.

Betcha that, very soon, Jones makes a comment about Obama being a Muslim. And that the press simultaneously decries the statement and broadcasts it worldwide.

This guy is their creation -- either purposefully crafted by someone on the left, or purposefully promoted by the left.

[Lord Whorfin]

Tom- have you read my comments, or get this title on your own??

[Captain Hate]

Rob gets it right. This is also part of Campaign 2010 being conveniently just after Labor Day when things traditionally heat up. Why would the MFM be covering some glory whore who is linked to Phelps about whom we never hear in a DEMOCRAT?

The MFM is the enemy; I'll be voting against them in November.

[Captain Hate]

in == is

[DebinNC]

The church building is up for sale for over $1M. Has anyone checked to see how much it's insured for, and whether the Pastors Jones would hit the jackpot if someone burned it down or blew it up.?

[narciso]

Meanwhile, the only state authorized worship proceeds apace, in the LUN

[Dave (in MA)]

FWIW, my recollection is that many sports broadcasters have a policy of cutting away from the field when some fool of a "fan" runs onto it, in order not to reward that misbehavior with attention.

Although drunken Yankee fans on the net behind the plate is another story.

[Rob Crawford]

Wow. The brief glimpse I got before the kill file kicked in leads me to believe someone cut-and-paste an entire Forbes article.

Seriously, dude, do that someplace else.

[Captain Hate]

Fortunately NBC chose to cut away from having Olbermann, a fool who puts the "anal" in "analyst", as part of their Sunday Night crew in a rare show of intelligence by the MFM.

[Ignatz]

--Wow. The brief glimpse I got before the kill file kicked in leads me to believe someone cut-and-paste an entire Forbes article.--

Actually it's five pages long and I consider the whole thing mandatory reading if you want to understand Barry.
Don't skip it just because anduril did his usual cut and paste aggravation.

[Extraneus]

Yeah, I see those flashes, too, Rob. Sad for the people who can't run Firefox.

[Rob Crawford]

I only recognized it because I've already read it, Ignatz. I think the cut-and-paster needs to be given the bum's rush.

[narciso]

I imagine Mark must have made a lot of friends at the FBI with this kind of behavior

[Porchlight]

This guy is their creation -- either purposefully crafted by someone on the left, or purposefully promoted by the left.

Agree totally, Rob.

[JM Hanes]

Ignatz:

Now there's a perfect contrast. Your one paragraph recommendation is ever so much more effective. And legal. I'll go read it over at Forbes -- where it ought to be read, and where they deserve the benefits of publishing it.

[bolitha]

Now, the crackpot pastor says he will "consider" not burning the koran IF Barack or the Pentagon or The State Department calls. Question: What will Barack do?

[Captain Hate]

Yeah based on Iggy's suggestion I read it at Forbes, where it does the job the MFM idiots couldn't be bothered to do in 2008 when all the data was available.

[sbw]

I suppose you are intimating that the anduril I never read because he/she has been trollblocked is unwilling, unable, or too inconsiderate to learn how to create a link in HTML or insert it in the LUN spot so many others use.

If anduril aint ept responding aint apt.

[Rick Ballard]

President BOwser Fetches For MFM

Good boy!! Here's a biscuit.

[peter]

Now coming to Just One Minute blog: Anduril cuts and pastes the entire friggin' internet.

[Sue]

Obama CANNOT call the pastor. If he does, every crackpot out there will demand a phone call from the president. However, I'm not opposed to using it against Obama if he doesn't call. ::grin::

[Sue]

The title to the article kind of threw me. I didn't realize Obama could think.

[bolitha]

Agree, Sue.

[bolitha]

I meant using the not calling against Obama.
Do any of you think he will have Hilary call?

[Neo]

What if they burned the Qurans in the woods ?
Would it be significant ?

[Sue]

ABC news is now reporting FBI agents are visiting the church. ::sigh:: On what basis is the FBI using to get involved? Now I'm going to really have to start rooting for the nutjob that started all of this. And I really don't want to root for a fool who can't even do a tv interview to explain why he thought this was a good idea to begin with.

[JM Hanes]

Sheesh, Obama's exhortation to the book burner is like the Big Mac of sucks. How about leading off with a stirring defense of the 1st Amendment freedom of speech (and religion for that matter)? Works for me whether it's burning a flag or a Koran or a Bible. Next up, a categorical refusal to appease the blackmail of violence. Then make it clear that you don't condone his protest in any way shape or form.

That's a more American values based statement than the usual mealy mouthed one the Prez trotted out.

[Captain Hate]

the Big Mac of sucks

sitting in stunned appreciation of that bit of wordsmithing

[Old Lurker]

Any thread starting with two andurils and one sylvia is worth skipping entirely.

[Sue]

OL,

And missed the Big Mac of sucks? I hope not. SOB, is my motto. (Scroll On By)

[sbw]

OL, I'll raise you a BB.

[macphisto]

more like the Angus Third-Pounder of suck.

[Ranger]

Hot Air is posting http://hotair.com/archives/2010/09/09/time-hey-what-happened-to-obamas-organization/>some interesting stuff from Time about what happened to Obama's ground operation from 2008. One interesting tidbit in there tells me they are simply dilusional in the White House at this point:

Several tell Time that OFA boss David Plouffe, who ran Obama’s 2008 campaign, is using the cash to rebuild an army for 2012 under the cover of boosting turnout in 2010. OFA is putting staff into such states as Virginia, North Carolina and Arizona, which have few close statewide races this fall but which are all prime targets in an Obama re-election campaign. “This is totally about 2012,” Cook says.

Arizona? They think Obama will have a shot at Arizona in 2012 after the entire immigration debacle?

[narciso]

That is Lord Cardigan level thinking, I think Brewer'sa lead is down to 20 points now after
that unfortunate gaffe in that debate

[Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet]

Glad you didn't, OL.

The Forbes article linked above is insightful. It is difficult to argue against it given that it is not based simply on opinion but of BOzo's memoir in which he lays out his bedrock philosophy and where it came from. D'Souza's comparison of the policies of this administration with BOzo's specific "dreams from his father" is brilliant.

It seems to me that this material could be dynamite grist for campaign ads in the next few years.

[Captain Hate]

O/T I'm about as far from a Yankees fan as you can get, but the LUN points out which baseball team in NYC has the least class

[Neo]

Obama's debt ... $2.526 trillion

$2.526 trillion as a stack of $20 bills is roughly 8,500 miles high .. or about enough to cover the entire state of Massachusetts with $1 bills.

[Dave (in MA)]

Arizona? They think Obama will have a shot at Arizona in 2012 after the entire immigration debacle?

Sure, if you could the ACORN-sponsored crimmigrant votes.

[clarice]

Politico:

National Republican Senatorial Committee senior adviser and veteran GOP strategist Terry Nelson flew to Alaska Wednesday night to assist Republican Senate nominee Joe Miller’s campaign, POLITICO has learned. Nelson is going up to meet Miller and his campaign team and make clear that the committee wants to be helpful with fundraising, field operations and overall strategy as the insurgent begins his general election bid. Nelson’s trip is also aimed at sending a signal to Sen. Lisa Murkowski that the national party is fully committed to Miller.

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Obama has appointed an Asian Carp Czar..I didn't make that up.
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Someone smart has suggested the lunatic congregation that plans to burn the koran, offer to forego that if the Iranian woman sentenced to death by stoning is released.

[PD]

And I really don't want to root for a fool who can't even do a tv interview to explain why he thought this was a good idea to begin with.

Well, it shouldn't be that hard to explain. "This is just like the publication of the Mohammed cartoons. After years of Muslim assault on the right to free speech and whining about how they don't want people to be able to express themselves in this way or that because it's "offensive" to them, the Danes published the cartoons to affirm their right to say what they want. Similarly, we are tired of Muslims dictating what we can say or how we can say it IN OUR OWN COUNTRY and threatening violence if we don't knuckle under. We WILL NOT SUBMIT."

Those cartoons were not a provocation out of the blue. They were a counter-response to years of prior Muslim provocation.

[Rocco]

Although I don't believe any books should ever be burned, I'm torn here. I'm not so sure I believe this burning will fuel more violence. If this book burning will convince more moderate muslims to radicalize, then I find it hard to believe they were moderate to begin with. That's kinda like getting in the ring with the heavyweight champ and not wanting to hit him, lest you piss him off? What about all the lives already lost trying to preserve our freedoms? How many times have you heard that a great man died to preserve your right to burn that flag? In any case, here's another book burning by a Baptist planned for Halloween.

3. If you are not willing to do either a book burning or a book tearing, then begin to collect perversions, books by heretics, music, movies, magazines, idols (Buddha, Allah, Rosary Beads, crosses with Jesus on it, etc.), posters, etc. and send them to our church address (6865 Cruso Rd; Canton, NC 28716).

[Bruce]

US Military burnt bibles

"Military personnel threw away, and ultimately burned, confiscated Bibles that were printed in the two most common Afghan languages amid concern they would be used to try to convert Afghans, a Defense Department spokesman said Tuesday."

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/05/20/us.military.bibles.burned/

[peter]

Clarice, while it is true that Obama has appointed an Asian Carp czar, the President remains the Czar of all CARP.

[Pofarmer]

"Someone smart has suggested the lunatic congregation that plans to burn the koran, offer to forego that if the Iranian woman sentenced to death by stoning is released."

I like it.

That's one down, how many more deals can we make?

[Ann Mongrel]

RUSH: "Our troops are already under threat, regardless of Koran burning. That's why they have guns. We're good." :)

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Obama has appointed an Asian Carp Czar...I didn't make that up.

Clarice:

That makes 41 czars to date and this one is in charge of only 80 million.

Sen. Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.) told the Chicago Tribune. "We want to stop this carp from advancing."

Carp Czar

[furious]

just what is the culpability and responsibility of the media in covering this stunt?

Exactly. If Rev. Retrograde were burning Books of Mormon, instead, we'd never hear of it.

Oh, and the Mormons wouldn't riot in anger,
either.

[anduril]

Henry Blodget of all people has an excellent commentary:

Why Are Obama And Petraeus Condemning The Guy Who Wants To Burn Korans?

First General Petraeus and now President Obama have now condemned the marketing genius in Florida who has gained international fame by threatening to burn Korans.

If this one crazy preacher follows through on his threat, Petraeus and Obama warn, outraged Muslims will start killing American troops.

That a single nut with a tiny following can provoke a response from both a top military general and the president of the country is shocking.

And it raises some questions:

* Does our government and military support freedom of speech as long as it doesn't offend anyone who might get violent?

*Are we now so scared of murderous jihadists that we need to restrict basic American freedoms to protect ourselves from them?

No, we are not applauding Koran-burning. No, we don't advocate needlessly offending violent extemists. But we are appalled that a silly stunt like this has commanded so much attention.

Don't people burn bibles?

If not, why not?

Plenty of people hate the bible and what it stands for. Burning bibles might piss some people off enough that it, too, would be an effective marketing stunt. And there's no law against burning books in this country.

America is supposed to be a country that supports religious freedom. And "religious freedom" includes the right to publicly trash other religions. Members of different religions often hate and pillory each other. It goes with the territory.

So why are our president and most important general trying to change that in this case? Because some jihadists might get even angrier?

That's wimpy. It's also un-American.

So go ahead and burn your Korans, Mr. Jones. Hopefully, the vast majority of the country and world will just give this stunt the attention it deserves--none.

[BobDenver]

It appears DoT is absent today, so I'll do the honors: Minus 24 at Ras today. See LUN.

[jorgxmckie]

I'm still waiting for the 'logical' argument supporting the Quran burning versus the 'emotional' argument against it.

Was 'logical' a really, really big part of the argument from the usual suspects in the GZM situation.

And why doesn't billionaire Bloomberg just buy the damn site from the developer and put something else up? I mean 20M is pocket change, even compared to what he spent to get re-elected with, what?, 54%?

[Janet]

Great post Mr. Maguire! I say let's get together 50 JOMers & hold a short form/certification of live birth bonfire!

Burn the worthless,evil propaganda & demand the long form Birth Certificate & the college records, & any scholarship info, & ...

[Janet]

We demand to know the name of your Columbia girlfriend...or we will...um...er...hold a Tea Party or something!!

[Rocco]

I tried to post these links twice with no success so I'll try one at a time.

Now I realize two wrongs don't make a right but where was the media outrage when Muslims were burning bibles?

Saudi Arabia Desecrates Hundreds of Bibles Annually

[Danube of Thought]

Briefly in contact from Montana. Saw the joyous news from Raz. Hosanna in vthe highest.

[Rocco]

Muslim boys urinated on Bible

[Rocco]

Christians in Gaza Fear for Their Lives as Muslims Burn Bibles and Destroy Crosses

[Rocco]

Muslims burn Bible in Pakistan

[matt]

I must ask, WWOD (What Would Obama Do) in all things now. Will he or won't he abase himself and our country's principles and break down and call the a hole (well, I think I actually answered my own question there.As to Petraeus, he is thinking strictly operationally. Don't poke the bears.

However, if we use religious jiujitsu, maybe we can do a reverse Gitmo defiling the Koran routine and really confuse the bastards.

Remember, these are the same mental deficients who, before going out on suicide bombing runs, do the Allahu Akhbar happy dance and blow themselves up half the time.

[Ignatz]

--Those cartoons were not a provocation out of the blue. They were a counter-response to years of prior Muslim provocation.--

Kind of like the Crusades.

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D'Souza's article, as someone pointed out in the comments at Forbes, certainly explains Barry's summary return of the Winston Churchill bust.
Hard to imagine a greater symbol of the British Empire including it's East African colonies than old Winnie.

[PD]

Thanks for the links, Rocco.

The lesson here: Muslims who rage about respect for their religion show not the slightest respect for any other religion. Why should the response to them be anything but "get stuffed, thug"?

[PD]

Kind of like the Crusades.

Exactly.

Provoke, provoke, provoke, until the (justified) pushback occurs. Then play the oppressed, persecuted victim.

[narciso]

Considering that his career, began with military service in the NorthWest Frontier,
(the Malakand Field Force) and Cairo and the Sudan (the River War) where the term Musselmen
is referred to. Similarly the Reconquista really got underway, about three hundred years
after the Moors first conquered Spain

[PD]

Then play the oppressed, persecuted victim.

Forgot to add: And the left in this country, which loves victimology, instinctively sides with the Muslims ragers. Despite the fact that most everything else about their leftist views would be denounced in most Muslim societies.

[Jane (woof woof)]

Okay - what does the "F" in MFM stand for? I think it came from the Cap'n so I can guess of course...

[Captain Hate]

Your guess is doubtlessly correct.

[Jane (woof woof)]

You guys are on a roll today. What a fun thread to read.

Is that that right Capn? Oh good, I will immediately adopt it.

[laura]

Dubai International Airport
Can you even begin to make this stuff up?

[daddy]

I still consider this Koran burning incident to be a wonderful opportunity for the adherents of the Religion of Peace to demonstrate to us what they always claim about themselves---that they can peacefully co-exist in a secular tolerant society, and in no way are they a threat to a secular tolerant society. Hows that going.

Would love to know the numbers of death threats that have been generated by this proposed Koran burning, broken down into domestic death threats and international death threats. Whats it up to now? 50, 100, 1,000, 10,000? Who knows. No one in the MSM is interested in tabulating them.

Would also love to hear exactly which Koranic scripture passages are being used to justify these death threats.

These are the questions I want our media to provide us.

Unfortunately we will never get them from our MSM, because once again our Media and elite leaders view this as a Geopolitical thing, not a thing fueled by the particular scriptural pronouncements of the Islamic faith, via the Koran and it's Prophet.

Play Devils Advocate for a moment, and assume that the religion of Islam is correct, that there is no god but Allah, that Mohamed is his Prophet, and that the Koran is the actual word of God revealed to mankind via the Koran. And that you are an adherent who believes that as fundamentally as this supposedly fundamentalist Koran burning Pastor.

You look to your Sacred text for guidance in this instance. It will specifically identify God's enemies in this secular world (Jews, Christians, Pagans, Infidels, unbelievers) It will tell you why they are God's enemies, why they are offensive to Islam, why they should be attacked and defeated, why it is your responsibility as a devout Muslim adherent to attack and defeat them, and what rewards you can expect to receive in Paradise should you happen to die in the act of attacking and defeating God's enemies. You go to your Mosque and you will hear your Imam citing Koranic verses detailing why this Koran Burning incident is an offense to Allah which the Sacred Koran tells you demands retribution.

So there you are.

That is what your Sacred Koran tells you to do.

So, do you decide to do nothing and tolerantly co-exist in this tolerant secular society that allows such Koran burning, regardless how personally offensive it is to you? That's what the MSM and various elites have told us is the true nature of Islam and the Koran for a generation now.

Or do you instead follow the example of your Prophet and the dictates of your Sacred Scipture?

We shall see.

[Rob Crawford]

Good thing they labeled them, Laura. Hate for there to be any confusion.

[narciso]

I would imagine portions of Surah's 5 and 9, play a role, don't ask Reverend Jones, because he doesn't know, maybe Time can ask that candidate who wants to burn two Westerners for every Koran killed, apparently that doesn't detract from them interviewing him,

[daddy]

Clarice,

Thanks for that info about the NRSC coming up to Alaska to support Joe Miller.

I am unable to dig up any new info on Lisa deciding to run. Local talk doesn't start for another 2 hours yet, and I've found nothing on the web.

Please post if you find reliable info on it, as I am dog-sitting and am now off for many hours with 2 Labs to hunt for bear scat.

[glasater]

I'm curious if the Koran has undergone a stress test or validation as the Bible KJV has.

[daddy]

Narciso,

Am busy with the dogs. Any idea on how many death threats so far, or where to look to get a compilation of how many? Sorry, gotta' go. Somebody's antsy...

[Rob Crawford]

Please post if you find reliable info on it, as I am dog-sitting and am now off for many hours with 2 Labs to hunt for bear scat.

What ammo do you use for that?

[Janet]

exactly daddy..well said. I am always mindful also, that in Islam there is no Grace. If a Muslim lives a relatively "good" life & obeys the 5 pillars of Islam...they are still NOT guaranteed a place in paradise....& allah doesn't care. He is aloof & noncommittal. The only guaranteed way into paradise is to die for allah killing infidels. So imagine you are a young person that has committed some great sin (viewed pornography, dated an infidel, stole from another Muslim,...)...your only way to be eternally saved is to kill yourself & some unbelievers. I think most of the suicide bombers are either evil violent crazies, or sick at heart loners (perhaps with their family pushing them into it).
There was a reason the message of Jesus Christ was called the gospel (or good news). You can be forgiven...God himself became man & paid the penalty for your sins. Islam has no Grace...allah is NOT the Eternal Holy God of the Bible that loves mankind enough to prepare a way for them to be forgiven.
The chattering class does not understand Islam, or Christianity, or the Koran, or the Bible,...at all.

[PD]

I still consider this Koran burning incident to be a wonderful opportunity for the adherents of the Religion of Peace to demonstrate to us what they always claim about themselves---that they can peacefully co-exist in a secular tolerant society, and in no way are they a threat to a secular tolerant society. Hows that going.

I suspect that Religion of Peace stuff is taqiyya. As I understand it, the Dar es Salaam (house of peace) applies only to other Muslims. So the claim can be made with a straight face that Islam is peaceful, knowing full well that peace extends only to other likeminded believers. To everyone else, it's the house of war -- and there is no contradiction to the Islamic mind.

[windansea]

oops

[Rick Ballard]

D'Souza has, IMO, fallen into the trap of analyzing the character developed by Bill Ayers for portrayal by the Kendonesian commie bastard. Barry Dunham's portrayal of the son of a drunken wife beating bigamist who never gave a thought nor a dime to his by blow is governed by what he thinks (to use the word very loosely) the character invented by Ayers would do.

I much prefer VDH's summation of the arc of Barry Dunham's mediocrity to D'Souza's litcrit of Ayer's intent in developing the Kunta Kinte Barack Hussein Obama Jr. character fobbed off on an all too gullible public. Besides, VDH agrees with me concerning the possibility that Dunham will bomb, bomb, bomb Iran as an October surprise. This whole mosque/burn silliness is a ham handed prelude to Dunham blowing the crap out of enough headchoppers to turn the tide.

It ain't gonna work. I'll support the President wholeheartedly should he decide to level Tehran and Qum just as I support the blowing up of headchoppers with Hellfires any time he feels the urge. That doesn't affect my support for removal of as many Dems as theoretically possible from the legislature on November 2nd in the least.

[Dave (in MA)]

in Islam there is no Grace. If a Muslim lives a relatively "good" life & obeys the 5 pillars of Islam...they are still NOT guaranteed a place in paradise....& allah doesn't care. He is aloof & noncommittal.

And what happens in Christianity if you live a "good" life but don't believe all that stuff?

[Dave (in MA)]

Rick, VDH talks about the O-dog "confronting" Iran. This doesn't have to be about bombing or even using military force; it could be something like Ahmawhatshisjad having to put up with SecState cankles on the ground in Tehran carrying threats of sanctions of one form or another.

[BB Key]

Cause and effect: By making the GZ mosque a national issue BHO is responsile for making the Koran burning church a national issue. On both issues he played into the media narrative

[narciso]

But is it going to strike, like Clinton in '98
against some random palaces, for a strike-strike, against Bushehr, Natanz, Araz, Qum, Isfahan, et al

[Dave (in MA)]

I think we need a beer summit with Rauf, O-Dog (woof) and the FL loon.

[Porchlight]

A HotAir commenter speculated that this Koran-burning situation may spell trouble for Allen West's campaign. (And that it's no coincidence, either.)

Anyone have any thoughts on how this might affect the big FL races?

[narciso]

My local occasional non 'clean Toga' talkshow host, has that 'who let the dog's out 'bark' sound affect when discussing the good Imam.

I don't see why, West's quarrel is with radical Islam, I'm sure he's not in favor of
that crazy stunt

[Porchlight]

SecState cankles on the ground in Tehran

That could backfire bigtime, though, if A-jad tells Cankles to pound sand.

[Rick Ballard]

Dave in (MA),

He'll probably level Tucson as a warning to the Persians...

[Rob Crawford]

A HotAir commenter speculated that this Koran-burning situation may spell trouble for Allen West's campaign.

HotAir commenters say lots of stuff. Most of it's not worth the effort to read. What's the reasoning behind this one?

[Rocco]

Not sure if this works for Brown Bear and Grizzly but when in Black Bear country and you find a print, measure it at it's widest point and add 1. That's how tall the bear is standing on his/her hind legs.

Also look for bite marks on trees. A Black Bear will stand up on its' hind legs and bite the tree, marking its' territory. If another bear happens along and can't reach that bite mark, it knows a bigger bear is in the area and usually leaves.

[Janet]

And what happens in Christianity if you live a "good" life but don't believe all that stuff?
Does "all that stuff" mean Jesus?
As a Christian, I believe there are only 2 ways to heaven...either live a totally sinless holy life (which is impossible) or admit that I am a sinner & accept Jesus as my Lord & Savior. He paid the penalty for my sins. He paid the penalty for everyone's sins, but we each have to choose to accept His gift...I have chosen to accept it.

The deal about just being "good" is the nagging question of "have I been good enough?". The standard is a Holy, Sinless, Creator God. If I am compared to "fill in kooky deranged killer here" before God...& we get to enter heaven based on who is "good"...then I MIGHT make it. But what if I am next to YOU! I won't be the "good" one then! Hahaha...anyway, I KNOW I need a Savior.

[narciso]

Btw, Sarah has endorsed O'Donnell so the usual RINO crew will be having the vapors
soon

[Janet]

I've got a bear scat joke...hang on while I go find it...

[Jack is Back!]

According to my friends in Gainesville, the police have already notified the Reverend and Furniture Making Slave Owner that he will be billed for all the extra security required now that every cotton-picking journo in the world has shown up and that has attracted every nut job who wants more than 15 minutes of fame. We are talking thousands and he doesn't even have the money to save his church and furniture making business. Plus the fire department is going to spray down the pile of Quorans before he can light them. Odds are that he will back off. Someone is going to pay him to not do the deed.

Me, I'm there but for the Gators game. I don't even know where the so-called church is located but I will be avoiding it at all costs.