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October 05, 2010

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jimmyk

The Cranicks said they also forgot to pay their fire service fee on time about three years ago.

So now the claim is they forgot? That doesn't square with the previous story. Whatever.

I wouldn't say that this incident represents the free market's finest hour.

No, but I suspect that trying to dot every i and cross every t in these situations is also costly, so banks and insurers try to rely on the common sense and integrity of their customers. Sometimes they lose, but maybe not enough to make it worth expending resources to monitor every single situation so closely.

In fact I'm pretty sure that insurers only monitor after the fact, which makes total sense. (The example of the lying smoker I posted about yesterday is an example.) The after-the-fact non-enforcement is what's puzzling here.

Extraneus

Any news about the guy who punched the fire chief in the mouth?

Ignatz

--So now the claim is they forgot? That doesn't square with the previous story. Whatever..--

On first reading I took that to mean "also, in a different incident they put the fire out" not "also, one other time we forgot to pay our fee".

--So they had a mortgage, yet the mortgage lender wasn't independently verifying their fire protection status?--

Not sure how TM deduces that from the fact that they had sufficent insurance only to pay off the mortgage. What does the mortgage lender care beyond that?

bgates

I wouldn't say that this incident represents the free market's finest hour.

Nobody suffered any loss except as a result of their own mistakes, which is more than the people who paid for the bank bailouts, the non-union people who held GM paper, the people who will pay for the budget deficit, and the retirees who used to get health benefits through 3M can say.

Clarice

ext, If I know small towns hee;ll be charged with a felony which will be dropped as soon as his burnd out relative makes clear he doesn't blame anyone but himself for his troubles.

Ignatz

--I wouldn't say that this incident represents the free market's finest hour.--

Because the homeowner is a blockhead means the free market isn't working? I'd say it wasn't his brain's finest hour.

Unless a mortgage has an impound account, and a lot of them don't, the lender seldom knows until or unless notified that taxes or insurance are deficient or have lapsed, correct?
A lot can happen in the time between non payment and lender notification.

Threadkiller

--"I am betting they(cats and dogs) ran off in the excitement, but if anyone can pin that down, I would like to know."--

Dumb ol' Cranick heard tell of a day when it rainded "cats an' dogs". not knowing much 'bout anythin' he least knew the criters was a made of water, so he threw 'em on the fire

Pagar

None of this is going to matter thanks to the US Senate. Anyone remember this little piece concerning robo signers in foreclosures?

"Officials at some big banks now admit that so-called "robo-signers" were signing off on thousands of foreclosures a day without actually looking at the details of any of the cases."

According to Zerohedge, The US Senate,by unanimous consent, has come up with a law to insure that no court can fight the robo signers.

"On Monday, September 27, 2010, U.S. Senator Bob Casey (D-PA), on the Senate floor, asked that the Judiciary Committee be discharged from further consideration of a bill that would hurt consumers. H.R. 3808 requires federal and state courts to recognize notarized documents from other states, including ones that contain electronic notarizations that are not subject to the same consumer safeguards of documents notarized in person. Some financial institutions are using electronic notarizations to process home foreclosure documents."

"Sen. Casey asked that the Senate move forward with immediate consideration of the bill with unanimous consent that the bill pass with no other action or debate. The Senate passed the bill without amendment by unanimous consent. It now sits on the President’s desk. I’m asking you to email or call the President at 202-456-1111 to ask him not to sign the bill."

To the best of my knowledge, I have never agreed with the current Ohio Sec of State before, about any thing. Read to the end of the article to read her plea.

HR 3808 will make every dubious piece of paper being used in mortgages forclosures completely legal. That will end the private ownership of US housing IMO. The president should not sign HR 3808. Any lawmaker who voted for it should be removed from public office.

Jay

This is essentially the same as denying someone essential medical care because he doesn’t have insurance.

Um, no, actually it isn't.

But I guess that's why Krugman is so smart.

Captain Hate

So the question is, do you want to live in the kind of society in which this happens?

I want to live in a society where Paul Krugman is broke and homeless; ie. one where markets act efficiently.

Captain Hate

And where the software lets you edit your HTMLs

Jay

So the question is, do you want to live in the kind of society in which this happens?

Nah, this is much, much better:


What I've proposed is that we have a panel of medical experts that are making determinations about what protocols are appropriate for what diseases.

But remember, "death panels" is just a right wing meme!

PS, got the 2011 open enrollment info, health insurance premiums increased 20%.

Thanks Nancy!

Extraneus

Heh.

Danube of Thought

The free market's hours are sometimes fine, sometimes not so fine, but always free. There's a broken heart for every light on Broadway.

Threadkiller

Ignatz, on the other thread you suggested, jokingly, that a program to not fight fires should be implemented to create jobs.

Sadly it exists already.

The federal firefighters receive a hazard pay in addition to their regular pay if they are fighting a wildfire. The longer the fire burns the greater the pay.


Check out this ">http://www.access.gpo.gov/congress/house/pdf/109hrg/23409.pdf"> exchange from the "HEARING BEFORE THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON THE FEDERAL WORKFORCE AND AGENCY ORGANIZATION":

Mr. PORTER. I mentioned earlier the prescribed burns. My understanding is that they don’t receive hazardous duty pay for prescribed burns; is that correct.

Ms. KICHAK. I am unable to answer that question.

Mr. VAUGHT. Mr. Chairman, that is correct.

Mr. PORTER. Do we know why that is.

Mr. DUDLEY. Because it’s considered under a prescribed fire you’re operating under constrained conditions at your——

Mr. PORTER. Portal.

Mr. DUDLEY [continuing]. At your work in terms of developing the burns. So because of that it’s not considered to be a wildfire
and under those operations hazard pay is not considered. If the prescribed fire was to escape and be declared a wildfire, then you’d be in a hazard pay situation.


Both the major fires that burned San Diego to the ground started on Federal land. CDF, now Cal-Fire, was not permitted to help stop the fires in there infancy. They were not allowed on to the federal property until the feds gave the OK. By then it was too late for most, but the Fed Firefighters reaped in the “hazard pay.”

I enjoy the idea of signing up for a job called “firefighter” and needing extra pay if you have to fight fires. Try applying that reasoning in the private sector. I know you hired me as a secretary but it will cost extra if you want me to type.

Jen Ken

I am most upset at Cranick and his fire because two whole posts here are dedicated to it.

Threadkiller

in there their infancy

Jen Ken

check

Jen Ken

check2

Jim Ryan

What's this about live screaming online? No accounting for taste, I guess, but I don't think I'd like to listen to it.

Jim Ryan

What's this about live screaming online? No accounting for taste, I guess, but I don't think I'd like to listen to it.

JM Hanes

Cross posted from the previous fire sale:

Sue:

"What happens if they use the water in the tanker to put out the fire at the person who didn't pay the fee and when it spreads, as it was apparently doing when they arrived on scene, to the house that paid the fee, the water is gone?"

They'd face the precisely the same problem if both residents had paid the fees.

What I'm saying is that If they can, and do, in fact, provide fire service for the people who pay an annual fee, then it makes little sense to operate on the basis of optional transactions. Fire protection being provided to municipal residents is, I assume almost universally, funded through municipal taxes, not paid on an optional individual basis to the Fire Department. Not only would collecting $75 via mandatory county taxes provide reliable funding for equipment and personnel, it would mitigate a dangerous (and annually variable) risk to subscribers who happen to live next door to non-subscribers.

Indeed, if the you've got a mix of paying and non-paying "customers," the firefighters are going to have to respond anyway, if only to keep the fire from spreading. Even in that case, it's far better for the paid up folks next door, if the fire is put it out as soon as possible, before it ever gets to them. Should the neighbors have to run out and attempt to extinguish encroaching flames themselves, on the assumption that the Fire Department won't respond if a delinquent himself makes the call?

County residents are already at a structural disadvantage. I live just outside the boundaries of the nearest township, and my residential life is certainly impacted in major ways by the decisions they make -- in which I have no vote. Relative population density means I have virtually no influence on county wide decisions either -- including the election of County Commissioners. I don't begrudge having to pay for private garbage collection, but I can't contract for private fire protection or law enforcement. As it is, if someone is breaking into my house, I have to rely on the County Sheriff's Dept. 20 minutes or more away to respond, instead of the Police Department a couple miles down the road. Fortunately, I haven't had to test out 911 and find out who shows up if I have a serious injury or a heart attack, assuming I'm still alive by the time they get here.

In general, I do think immediate matters of life, limb and law enforcement are a proper concern of government -- and that a logical distinction can be made between public safety vs. personal health and welfare.

As for insurance, establishing that you've paid a fire fee would certainly be a likely factor in any assessment, just like an alarm system, but insurers will still have an actuarial interest in effective response times. There will always be a rural handicap in the best of circumstances.

Captain Hate

Where's anduril when he can be useful? Sorry about the italics guys.

Threadkiller

CH, he is still leaning forward.

Boatbuilder

Well said, DOT.

Danube of Thought

Oh God (or TM), please keep the fire threads coming. iETSU.

patch

Next time, pay the $75...

What did their insurance company say about their stupidity?

Pops

This was not the 'free market'.

This was a poorly run and thought out GOVERNMENT program.

I didn't see any free market here at all.

I'll bet it was a government official who came up with this stupid plan. You can't make decisions like this based on some 75.00 payment - they need to be made at the descretion of the authorities.

What if this guys house was burning down and its collapse would most likely ignite a huge propane tank and flatten the neighboring houses.

What if the fire was heading towards a gas line.

You could think of thousands of scenarios that throw the stupid government clerk idea that a check mark in a log book on whether you paid was a deciding factor.

It reminds me of the story from England where the police watched as a house burned down with people inside because government regulations required firemen to enter a burning building.

The police simply kept the people back awaiting the firemen while people inside died.

A fire in an of itself is an emergency, just like a dying patient. The lead fireman on the scene decides what needs to be done to best perserve life and public safety.
You treat the fire just like you treat the ER patient and commpensation is secondary.

Pops

In fact, the lead firemen could decide to let a house burn the rest of the way down for safety reasons even if the people had paid the 75.00.

So the person who paid could end up with the same exact fate.

matt

I will say it again and again and again (to borrow from Roosevelt).Do the right thing because it is the right thing to do.

BTW, it looks like Obama is throwing Biden under the bus now and considering Hillary for Veep.

Extraneus

I know we need more comments, so...

Joe Miller passes up golden (?) opportunity

I don't think his answer (around 9:00) was disrespectful to Sarah. It could have been different, maybe even better, but he tried to stick with his own race and not get side-tracked.

Stephanie

Ext... he wimped out. Todd called him on it and now the lefties are all agog at Todd rising to defend his wife with an email explaining the rules of the road to Joe.

"I don't know if she is" isn't not getting side tracked, it is inviting the side tracking to commence. Plus it's dumb. The easy out would have been "Sarah Palin isn't the caricature the MSM has made of her." Period, story over. Now he has invited days of speculation on whether she's running and whether he is no better than McCain re squishyness and ability to be manipulated by "the narrative."

Dumb.

Copy of the email at LUN

Stephanie

Ext... he wimped out. Todd called him on it and now the lefties are all agog at Todd rising to defend his wife with an email explaining the rules of the road to Joe.

"I don't know if she is" isn't not getting side tracked, it is inviting the side tracking to commence. Plus it's dumb. The easy out would have been "Sarah Palin isn't the caricature the MSM has made of her." Period, story over. Now he has invited days of speculation on whether she's running and whether he is no better than McCain re squishyness and ability to be manipulated by "the narrative."

Dumb.

Copy of the email at LUN

Stephanie

Sorry for the faux pas de deux...

Jane
If I were running this insurance company I wouldn't sit around wondering whether the client had remembered to pay the $75. I would build the subscription cost into the premium and pay the town myself, to be sure that my clients were on the town list as paid up and entitled to service.

Make that man a CEO

narciso

I don't buy anything thirdhand from the Huff Po and specially Linda Devon,

Stephanie

I usually don't either, Narciso, but the Palin camp has confirmed the email as has the Miller camp. The stupidity was the Hucksters campaign advisors who are helping Miller leaking it to Devon in the first place... hoping to hurt Sarah thereby helping Huckster for 2012 and forgetting about the collateral damage to their client in 2010.

Extraneus

Ah, I missed the "I don't know if she is." Actually, I just watched it again and he didn't say that.

narciso

He's carrying a fairly good act then, in the LUN

Threadkiller

DoT, May I ask what it is about this kind of topic that you enjoy so much?

Stephanie

That's what Todd inferred from his weak response and his questioning of her continued assistance to Miller in the email. He's really zealous in the defense of his wife - for which I don't blame him. He's seen campaign workers and candidate stabbiness up close and personal. I think Huck's workers are doing their level best to usurp her in this situation and Todd is threatening for her to cut bait.

Establishment Republicans aren't very good at circling wagons and pointing the guns toward the opponent. But they are really deft at claiming the victory with other's spoils...

Stephanie

Or blaming others for their own poor aim.

Hans Goode

"If I were running this insurance company I wouldn't sit around wondering whether the client had remembered to pay the $75. I would build the subscription cost into the premium and pay the town myself, to be sure that my clients were on the town list as paid up and entitled to service. "


Then, I'd bring my insurance product to market, tell the owner they are responsible for fire servce and I'd offer a lower premium. Then I'd get all the business. If someone's house burned down and they didn't have the service I wouldn't pay out.

R Fleckenstein

That whole Todd Palin, Miller, Palin Prez email crap is a tempest in a teapot. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to find something better to do with their time. However, as long as their are morons who push it, it will be good for Miller.

S Keemo

Would Sarah Palin rather see Miller lose because he gave a crappy answer or Murcowski lose because she is Murcowski?

Todd is not the sharpest knife in the drawer. If Sarah listens to that dolt I'm guessing a little of the back of the hand is involved.

jimmyk

The text in this thread appears to be leaning forward.

Dave (in MA)
their are morons
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTQutsmXHcTmIilTYkcRWhSpHOymy4Hek4skoDo6VeaHSFS13E&t=1&usg=__NgP6dB8b62cnSq268pnIGmZkJrQ=>
narciso

It doesn't comport with her public statements about the race, or even his comments yesterday
to the Tea Party Amy Kremer, that's why it doesn't ring true

Stephanie

Moron? Moronette, TYVM.

The question is, what is to be done to ameliorate the problem? The problem is that the backstabbing of the establishment republicans continues unabated and nothing short of throwing them all to the curb will solve it. Miller was doing just fine until the Huckster got his nose (and his advisors) in the tent. It's very condescending of the establishment to offer a thank you very much let the pros take over to Sarah. Usurpers, the lot of them.

Stephanie

Narciso, would you expect her to publicly do otherwise? She is playing a team sport, and some of them are still trying to put the I in team so to speak.

I don't trust the Huckster's people at all. Nor Romney's or the remnants of GWB (Rove), FWIW.

Stephanie

Shilling has a chilling report out on housing in the LUN.

narciso

Oh, I hate the Huck with the passion of a thousand suns. I mean he does a decent Mike Wallace imitation on Fox, but that's about the limit of his utility

Extraneus

I thought it was amazing that Chris Wallace asked that question. Of course, I was even more amazed that McCain couldn't answer it.

Fantasy McCain: "She's more qualified than Obama is."

What was so hard about that? It would have singed their butts, and nobody would have asked it again.

Stephanie

Narciso, have you seen this little gem coming your way in the LUN?

Democrat projection and a Soros funded initiative SHOULD trigger the Republicans to action. I mean, it's only slightly less obvious than an oncoming train...

Danube of Thought

TK, what I like is that it forces us to confront the difference between doing what we sense is right in a given instance, and adhering to a policy which, if we are steadfast about it, will ultimately results in the greater good. We can see before our eyes the poor guy who lost his house; we can never see (or even identify) those whose houses are saved because they paid the fees that enabled the fire department to continue to function, and who wouldn't have paid if it weren't for the policy.

It's analogous to the minimum wage: we can interview the guy whose weekly pay went up because of the latest increase. No one knows which people are unemployed because employers can't offer them a job at a wage that makes sense forbthe employer.

Danube of Thought

Sorry about the iPad typos. Better than iPhone, but still tricky.

narciso

Yes, I've been hearing about that, and it stinks to high heaven

Stephanie

Excellent point DOT.

BTW, have you seen this unsuccessful suicide attempt?

SAVE THE SEALS!

LUN

Threadkiller

I figured it would be something like that. Our back and forth on my favorite issue is very similar to what others are confronting with this one. It seems as though undefined policies always head a different direction than intended.

Danny Webster

Dave in MA:

I think you meant to type "they are morons".

maryrose

Oelberman has offered assistance to the Tennessee guy who told him he'll get back to him if he needs anything more. We can't be on the same side as Keith!

abad man

didn't there use to be a fable about the ant and the grasshopper? It may seem harsh but if your responsible, how many slackers do you have to carry on your back? I do not see it as a failure of anything, it is more action, or inaction, and reaction.

Rob Crawford

didn't there use to be a fable about the ant and the grasshopper? It may seem harsh but if your responsible, how many slackers do you have to carry on your back? I do not see it as a failure of anything, it is more action, or inaction, and reaction.

We have a winner!

Personal responsibility: it's what puts dinner on the table.

Melinda Romanoff

DoT-

Actually, I believe Milton Friedman worked out the joblessness from hourly wage hikes.

Have a listen to the master of the Chicago School for all of three and a half minutes.

Anybody checked out Yves Smith, of Naked Capitalism, in the last two weeks?

You should.

It's kept me up for two nights straight now.

Danube of Thought

There is a cliche in the law (or at least among law professors) that "hard cases make bad law,". Although I was never sure, I understood it to mean that a sympathetic judge in a particular case is likely to establish a precedent that will prove mischievous when applied in subsequent cases.

Dave (in MA)

Danny Webster, thanks for the handy tip, but I was quoting another post, hence the indentation.

Melinda Romanoff

Anybody can start with this little gem.

This is a bit bigger than the first bank problem.

Danny Webster

Dave in MA: Yes, I knew that, it was just a "dumbass test" to see if you'd actually reply. Congrats, you passed with flying colors!!!

narciso

Crikey, is there anything that is real and genuine in the economy nowadays

Melinda Romanoff

Narciso-

Now you have a glimpse as to what's been keeping me up.

Danube of Thought

"Actually, I believe Milton Friedman worked out the joblessness from hourly wage hikes."

He did, indeed. But still no individual could step forward and say "I am one of the ones who would have a job if it weren't for the increase in the minimum wage."

Clarice

VFW which endorsed Murtha, follows its pattern by endorsing Fla's Ron Klein over Allen West.
PHEH

Melinda Romanoff

and it'll be in tomorrows WSJ.

Here.

Melinda Romanoff

Going to go wrestle with a pillow.

I can only hope I sleep.

G'night all.

Strawman Cometh

"unsuccessful suicide attempt? "
LOL

Dave (in MA)

Glad to help, Danny.

Clarice

Nicky Santillan's other lawyer
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2010/09/housekeeper-nicky-diaz-has-prominent-leftist-lawyer-usually-linked-to-terrorism-cases.html>The plot thickens

narciso

Isn't this what happened with the Chrysler bond holder, vs the UAW

cathyf
If I were running this insurance company I wouldn't sit around wondering whether the client had remembered to pay the $75. I would build the subscription cost into the premium and pay the town myself, to be sure that my clients were on the town list as paid up and entitled to service.
Someone mentioned that they had insurance through Country. That is linked to the county Farm Bureau, and so the local agents would know the local details about fees, etc. They can drive out to the insured property and check for the fire district sign.
JM Hanes

DoT:

"TK, what I like is that it forces us to confront the difference between doing what we sense is right in a given instance, and adhering to a policy which, if we are steadfast about it, will ultimately results in the greater good."

As my post above suggests, the case for the "greater good" you're asserting here -- and thus the overarching dichotomy you construct -- is certainly arguable. You'll note that I did not default to moral imperatives.

That is not to say that the firefighters in this case weren't faced with a dilemma; it is, however, and one that can also be framed as an entirely different sort of test. How do you respond to a choice between doing what feels right and adhering to a policy which does not, in fact, or does not necessarily, result in a greater good at all? It may be comforting to think that the greater good is incontrovertibly manifest, but as a rule, it's much clearer in abstract discussions than it is in reality.

Danube of Thought

Hell, Clarice, in what sense is Allred the woman's "lawyer" in the first place? She is not suing anyone, nor has she been threatened her with any lawsuit. There is no pending demand for any monetary damages. It is clear that any legal jeopardy she faces has been caused solely by Allred's putting her on TV.

Gloria can do whatever she wants to advance anyone's political cause, but to do son under the pretense of being this person's lawyer is dishonorable and unethical.

maryrose

GRETA vanSusteren agrees with you you DOT.

Clarice

She claims she filed a complaint about Nicky's mileage claim with some commission or another.

Here's something interesting, Daschle admits the administration cut a deal with the big hospitals..and they lied about it.

liar liar

Clarice

jmh, I agree, the pubic good is not always crystal clear. And we don't know enough facts to decide--what is the financial state of the county that has the fire service? Did I read this wrong, or is this the SECOND time this homeowner failed to ay the fee and yet called upon the fire dept for their services? what are the demands on the service? If they had needed to put out a spreading fire at the covered neighbor's house as well, could they have handled both?

I'm sure there's more.

MarkO

As your intrepid discovery lawyer, I have taken it upon myself to determine whether this Obion County imbroglio is a “hard case” or perhaps, like many, fully understandable on the bare facts. What the undisputed record reflects, or at least it is undisputed so far and will remain so if I can help it, the relationships between and among the county outliers and the city folk are complex and likely fractious. Mayhem upon the person of the Fire Chief seems to follow from a superior attitude displayed by the city dwellers, largely justified, that the county denizens lack a certain je ne sais quoi. In fact, some say the county boys don’t know quoi (is that right?)

My unimpeachable witness on the ground and testifying from percipient knowledge under penalty of ridicule summed up the case against the home owner this way: "I wouldn't piss through his asshole if his guts was on fire !"

Just as I thought. Had the homeowner been a good guy, fire out. Okay, class, work out those facts. It will be on the final. Remember, the LA firms will be here to recruit on Thursday. Cravath on Monday.

MarkO

While I'm playing lawyer on the World Wide Web, Allred should be disbarred. I have seen the Cal Bar exhibit some courage. Can it here?

Neo
It turns out, though, that the fire department in Tennessee was not a private for-profit fire department. It was a government-run fire department. You read that right: the fire department that refused to show up and refused to name a price at which it would show up was run by the government of South Fulton.
Oh. I hadn’t seen it this way before …

Heartless government bureaucrats"Death Panels" for homes no less

Stephanie

Don't forget about the Atlanta meetup tomorrow... birdie hunting at 1:45, Emory at 7:00.

All are welcome. Emails have gone out as to particulars. Any cybot that hasn't received the email let me know. Those servers can be sooo paranoid.

Stephanie

"If nothing else, the two divergent pleas provide an intriguing case study for why establishing national cheerleading uniform standards might be justified."

Gobsmacked I am. Bolding mine.

LUN

Clarice

I'm heading to bed. Someone else will have to right to The Won and suggest he name Stephanie the new Czar of uniform high school cheerleading uniform standards.

Ignatz

--"If nothing else, the two divergent pleas provide an intriguing case study for why establishing national cheerleading uniform standards might be justified."--

I am fully prepared to sacrifice for my country and volunteer myself as the nation's Cheerleader Czar.
And I will gladly waive the $75 fee for any wardrobe inspections outside the city limits.

Ignatz

Clarice, you're walking all over my lines.

Stephanie

I just think it's silly that someone is actually worried that we need national standards for Cheerleading Uniforms. Sign o the times, I guess. We can't think for ourselves, give us guidance, oh merciful Won.

On the plus side, they haven't mentioned majorettes... yet.

JM Hanes

Rob Crawford:

"Personal responsibility: it's what puts dinner on the table."

Would the hard line you're so emphatically drawing have a loss of life exception? I tend to doubt that anyone here would fault a firefighter for breaking the rules to rescue a child in the attic that the slacker couldn't get to. Would the fire department have any obligation, in your view, to determine whether or not anyone was trapped inside before deciding whether or not to respond, or to turn the hoses on before the fire became a threat to others?

I presume the fire department would, in fact, be obliged to respond to the scene, in order to keep the fire from spreading. They would need someone to assay the property lines, I suppose, and to factor the weather into the threat potential. You could probably leave a house burning for a good long time on a damp still day. On a dry, windy day, though, you couldn't afford to let it get too hot, because an errant ember can explode into a fireball that no hosed down roof can survive.

ISTM that firefighters have more than enough close calls they must make; I'm not sure the responsible thing to do is load them down with more.

My daughter did a stint with the fire department in town, and the experience here would certainly have been traumatic for her and almost any of the folks she worked with. Is it responsible to imperil them psychologically too, when they routinely take on enormous physical risks already? It certainly not going to make them better firefighters.

Would you want to be the one ordering your men to watch a house burn down, only to discover that you had the name & address wrong? Considering the number of high profile police raids gone bad that hit the news, that doesn't seem particularly far fetched. IMO, it makes more sense to let them do their jobs and sort out the penalties later. If I lived next store, I'd damn sure want that fire put out, and in this case, it's telling that it was the neighbors who called.

There are just too many dangerous variables. If the only penalty that officials instituting such policy can come up with is conspicuously standing around and watching houses burn down, I'm not sure the slacker is the worst offender.

JM Hanes

***next door*** of course.

It's not a typo really, is it? More like a braino.

Pops

From if the the Republicans were smart department:

Solar panels on the White House- what a great idea! But the best thing would be to use them to run the press room. And no battery back-up - those things hurt the environment.

So when a reporter is tying up his story on the laptop and the sun goes behind a cloud, he can enjoy knowing he's saving the environment...in the dark.

And of course you would have to shut off that terrible air conditioing in the press offices.

Pops

From if the Republicans were smart department:

Show the Democrats hypocrisy on taxes.

Support a 90% tax rate on the lazy rich. That is they should support a tax on 90% of the income from lottery winners making over 250,000 dollars.

BIG WIN: Statistically will raise tons of revenue. Static analysis will show hundred of billions will be raised over the next ten years.
Punishes rich people who did no work for their riches. (How hard was it to buy a ticket and cost you maybe 5 minutes of your time.
By leaving them the first 250,000, they are defined as rich by the Democrats/Press standards.

So what will the Democrats/leftiues argue?

1. That such a high tax rate will cause sales to drop drastically?? Well that would require them to believe/argue that higher tax rates cause changes, and reduce economic incentives, in behavior.

Just think, you would still be rich getting that 250,000 of that 50 Million lottery - so why wouldn't everyone still play?

2. The left will have to argue that higher tax rates will cause LESS revenue to the treasury since it will cause fewer people to engage in the activity.

What, you believe lower tax rates mean more investment, more risk taking and thus INCREASE revenues??

The lottery is the perfect foil for the Republicans to force DEmocrats to admit their tax policies actually stifle economic activity and thus stifle revenue and cause bigger deficits.

With the added benfit of everyone who will be subject to the tax are rich by Democrat standards, and didn't work at all to get rich.

Extraneus

I just think it's silly that someone is actually worried that we need national standards for Cheerleading Uniforms. Sign o the times, I guess.

Just wait until the first Muslim cheerleader complains about the uniforms.

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Islamic cheerleaders

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So illogical. Why not just lock them up?

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