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November 20, 2010

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Clarice

Thanks all.

Jane, you are really going to make me cry out of jealousy--I can just tell.

Melinda Romanoff

PD-

Have a chart:

Captain Hate

Algore is the gigantic turd in the environmental punchbowl. That the green imbeciles decided to make that scientific illiterate the face of their movement will ultimately reap extremely negative consequences. Anybody viewing his mawkish convention weepers where he tried to convert family tragedies (almost all self-inflicted) into votes should've recognized a disgusting purveyor of flim-flammery.

Russia was a persistent polar high, and the floods were from rapid cooling in the Pacific.

Gore has just been in India saying that the Russian Heat Wave and the Pakistani floods are all the proof the world needs and we must now extend Kyoto and surpass it with Cancun. Or else; inconvenient truths.
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Melinda Romanoff

Kim-

The loss of visible sunspots will, perhaps, actually motivate some to try and investigate more fully the subsurface dynamics of our sun. The little twist that the alert Purdue researcher caught watching his Manganese isotopes slow during coronal fluxes opened my eyes.

There is obviously way more going on.

And I'm still convinced vulcanism is directly connected to magnetic action in the sun. The lack of sunspots, with more active flux instead, is a poser.

Certainly gets the skull stirring.

But, back to the mundane and off to gutters.

Some birdies will suffer this afternoon, during a walk in the fields of Wisconsin, so I have to work now.

Jack is Back!

Can we invest in sunspot futures? Short winter and go long on summer?

But don't we still have a "ccx" type of action in the order of commodities? Aren't commodities tied very tightly to weather, climate and other crop cycle modus operendi?

I'll never forget the first time I read a paper by some professor at the University of Illinois (I believe) who brought El Nino to my attention. At the time, I was the executive director of my companies Environmental committee (sort of part time activity) and we were doing that 80's thing coming up with our E-principles and governance. I sent to our Energy guru - the guy who did long term forecasting of energy needs, electric generation models, demand and supply issues, etc. He was Phd and had never heard of the El Nino effect. Plugged it in to his models and voila - instant cred with the board on investment and development decisions.

This year I hear it is the age of La Nina and we are supposed to have a very cold and dry climate. I hope not - last year was the coldest winter ever down here in Florida. Too many holding those 5 cent credits.

Jane (get off the couch - come save the country)

Clarice,

I suggest you invest in Kleenex. Tee hee

I remember being disappointed as a young student that all the great scientific discoveries had already been made.  Well, Hello!

Well, the sun is the great near constant. We've alternated over the near past term between glacial and shorter interglacials, and we're in an interglacial now. Climate seems semi-stabilized at either of those two points, one warmer, one colder. We are now having short term excursions, most recently the Little Ice Age, from the higher of those two stable points, and what the cause of those excursions is is the 64 Trillion Dollar Question. Shortest term excursions seem to be concatenations of oceanic oscillation, but what caused the Minoan Optimum, the Roman Optimum, and the Medieval Warm Period.

Probably something related to the sun and earth interaction, and I do suspect it will relate to the solar wind.
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centralcal

Clarice: Another excellent Pieces!

Jane: Can't wait to hear all your reports on the cruise! (btw - Clarice, Jane has posted a short report at You Too, which hints at things to come, regarding tears and tissue.)

And Livingston and Penn loom.  Google 'em if you've not, yet.

Yes, JiB, we have an intense La Nina right now; it's onset really poured on Pakistan.

And we are early in the cooling phase of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation, during which cooling Las Ninas predominate over warming Los Ninos. By the way, a strong El Nino gave temperatures earlier this year that challenged 1998 for the hottest worldwide.

The last time that the cooling phase of the PDO was dominant was the time approx. from 1940 to 1970, when, in fact, the globe cooled. Alarmists claim that cooling, during a time of rising CO2 was secondary to increased albedo from all of the industrial smog, which has abated since that time. They are wrong, but difficult to disprove, because we haven't long enough term albedo and earth radiation records.
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Clarice

"Clarice,

I suggest you invest in Kleenex. Tee hee"

Rhymes with rich, Jane.

So what runs the ocean taking up and letting off heat?  I dunno.

One of my favorite commenters, Arnd Baraents, says: 'Climate is the continuation of the oceans by other means.'
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Threadkiller

"So what runs the ocean...?"

California.

">http://www.arb.ca.gov/ports/shorepower/shorepowerfactsheet.pdf"> At-Berth Ocean-Going Vessels Regulation
Reducing air pollution from ships in California ports

Pofarmer

"By the way, a strong El Nino gave temperatures earlier this year that challenged 1998 for the hottest worldwide."

The basic fact that we WEREN'T hotter than 98, with a strong El Nino and oh so much more evil CO2 in the atmosphere should give some folks a hige clue. Also add in the fact that the recent " Most Warmest Evah!" numbers rely on higher lows rather than higher highs. It's the clouds and humidity stupid. The oceans just gave off a huge belch of heat, and, unlike 1989, the sun is relatively quiet. This winter and next summer will be intersting.

Jane (get off the couch - come save the country)

Actually Clarice, every time I had a conversation with someone who would strike jealousy in people's hearts I couldn't help but think:

Clarice has these people in her living room.

So I really do appreciate your playing along!

Pofarmer

Geez, California is going to get there atmosphere so clean it will be just like there is no economic activity there at all!

Clarice

HEH, Jane, if Lileks and Gutfeld were in my living room, I'd not be here.

Clarice

OT, but the Israelis claim to have developed a simpler, faster, less intrusive passenger screening system.
< a href=http://www.israel21c.org/technology/israeli-airport-technology-detects-intent-of-terrorists>Yet another part of the dastardly Zionist conspiracy

Jane (get off the couch - come save the country)

Funny you choose those 2. Just last night Lileks asked me why Jomer's didn't post on his site. I told him I would pass the word. Later, Gutfeld sat next to me at dinner. Not only was he seasick but also 3 sheets to the wind. As I was only 2 sheets to the wind, I clearly had the upper hand.

sbw

Jane, tell Lileks it's because after he writes there is nothing more to say.

Tee! Hee!

Captain Hate

Just last night Lileks asked me why Jomer's didn't post on his site.

Some of us strive, against all odds, to have real lives.

RichatUF

Mel-

If the CCX contracts went to a nickle and it killed the exchange, why are the Europeans still trading carbon when contracts have also gone to a nickle (a few times)?

Also: "The loss of visible sunspots will, perhaps, actually motivate some to try and investigate more fully the subsurface dynamics of our sun."

Living with a Star program.

Clarice

So like you, Jane, to get men drunk so you can take advantage of them..tsk

Clarice

Now the problem is methane from melting permafrost in Siberia. OH NO

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101121/ap_on_sc/eu_climate_siberian_meltdown>If it's not one thing, it's another

Jane (get off the couch - come save the country)

SBW,

I actually did say something like that. It's so funny when you meet these people you admire so much and they are sort of unaware of how much they are admired. I actually did get to spend some time with Rove and he was warm and funny and gracious and funny. He also reads JOM on occasion. Oh and I also asked andy McCarthy if he still thought as much about Fitzgerald after Libby (and blago). He said that Fitz was his friend - but when I pushed him he said he did not agree with the Libby prosecution. He thinks they won Blago except for one bad juror. (That's not how it works in my world, but whatever)

centralcal

He also reads JOM on occasion.

Aahhh - but does the Magnificent Bastard read the comments? That is where all the really good stuff is ;)

boris

Clarice's link http://www.israel21c.org/technology/israeli-airport-technology-detects-intent-of-terrorists>Israeli airport technology detects intent :

it took Israeli boldness to go ahead with a plan involving full contact polygraph with civilians, a concept that the US would not have been able to initiate. Americans chose not utilize human selectors - partly due to budget, and partly because it's difficult to educate the selector how to define between the different kinds of profiling. Here, our system is doing it for you - there's no human element involved.

"It's like a robot selection process - we don't make the decision to take someone out of line and put him in jail - we only take someone for further investigation. There's no profile selecting and no human rights violations," he said

I say we use it to vet POTUS candidates.

Jane (get off the couch - come save the country)

Hush Clarice - do not tell my secrets!

Jane (get off the couch - come save the country)

I told him that CC. Sheesh I really am too predictable.

centralcal

Oh now, not predictable at all - just truthful and factual.

Clarice

boris, what great idea!!

Army of Davids

With all the problems we have there are two that are huge and not being addressed in any significant way. K-12 public schools (Waiting for Superman) and energy policy.

I don't know if global warming is a real threat. But the government crony-capitalist "green jobs" approach will not do anything to reduce CO2.

It will help Al Gore's investments though.

Clarice

Oh, Ann!! J Crew's having a dress MO contest. You could win $150.
http://www.ihatethemedia.com/michelle-obama-fashion-contest

RichatUF

Waiting for Superman was brought to you by the same people that brought to you Al Gore's propaganda.

Clarice

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joIxWcFO3bY
SNL does TSA

Danube of Thought

Thanks for the Pieces, Clarice. I do wonder when you sleep.

Joan Baez had quite a following by 1961, at which point Dylan was unknown outside Manhattan. In late August 1962 the ship I was in was enroute from Boston to San Diego, and we stopped overnight to fuel at Guantanamo. I went into the exchange and saw Dylan's first album and didn't know who he was, but I bought it because of the Woody Guthrie references. The rest is history for me. I loved his early stuff, but didn't mind at all when he went electric.

It appears the fool Joni Mitchell is jealous of him, and has uttered some stupid comments about him lately. Talk about somebody no one knows. (Lemme know when the Pope asks to hear her sing.)

Danube of Thought

August of this year:

Mitchell, 66, attacked her fellow folk musician after an interviewer for the Los Angeles Times casually noted that both had changed their names, in Dylan's case from Bobby Zimmerman.

"Bob is not authentic at all. He's a plagiarist, and his name and voice are fake," she said, not appreciating the comparison.

"Everything about Bob is a deception. We are like night and day, he and I."

She got the last sentence right, anyway.

rse

Clarice-

What's the name of that charity you mentioned that is collecting coats for soldiers to give to Afghan children?

Dr J-left desired link on Blow thread and also LUN.

Pagar-

John Holdren has been on my radar screen for a while. Having him involved with federally imposed science standards, de facto if not de jure, should keep us all concerned.

I spent the morning researching how look-say was deliberately pushed by socialists who wanted to deemphasize the "individualistic notion of intelligence".

We are seeing the same concerted effort on math and science as they bolster individual analytical ability.

Essentially they need to stop the next Kims from rebutting their storyline to gain control.

Finally will listen to what I can find out about CCX over Thanksgiving. I love talkative wives.

Jack is Back!

Spirit of America. I too am a long time Jim Hake fan. He has done marvelous work both in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Trouble is I live in Florida and don't own a winter coat and the one I do have is in Belgium.

Captain Hate

Joni Mitchell criticizing Bobby D is pretty funny. I don't recall Dylan building a large portion of his song inventory by banging other musicians and then writing lyrics about it. Jealousy and envy are never attractive Joni.

Clarice

It's a great outfit, JIB.

matt

clarice, I now have to go shred one of my drafts in awe of your work....

I remember a project someone I know worked on in the 60's to detect the body odor of Russian diplomats as a lie detector during nuclear negotiations. That was all he ever said of it, so maybe it worked. maybe it didn't.

He also worked on another one that could detect pot smoke down an alley at night. These were blue sky projects at the time and probably back burnered because of the civil liberties issues. 40 years later, I imagine the technology is much more sophisticated. It all depends upon how much you want to impinge on privacy.

Today, we see that there are no limits. The stories coming out of the TSA are horrific. Will this be a tipping point?

oh, and while we're discussing CO2 and AGW or Climate Change or whatever they're calling it this week, has anybody seen my ozone? I left it around here somewhere and can't seem to find it.

Clarice

Too kind, matt.

And here's some fun,
Prof Jacobson notes how gawker has badly treated conservative women and advises and urges sarah t use her tro to discover the bejeebers out of Gawker.

Charlie (Colorado)

Before a politician tells me about the Science in AGW, I want to see them define a partial derivative without recourse to a reference book.

Bean Counter, I think I'd apply that to you too.

I've got a series on the Climate gate first anniversary coming up at PJ and that's one of the themes.

Jack is Back!

Reading the Draper article on Palin in the Slimes Sunday magazine and I have to tell you conventional wisdom is wrong, wrong, wrong. That lady is street smart and I for one would not want to tangle with her. Hillary comes across as a rigid, political hack snarly bitch but Palin would eat her for breakfast in any category. She may not be New Yorker or Katie Couric "worldly" and know the difference between escarole and arugula like MO does but I'd like to set all 3 loose 150 miles from any civilization and see which one survives in a 10 day kind of SERE test. I know where my money would be.

Charlie (Colorado)

op guys running the national programs and the IPCC (Michael Mann, James Hansen, Gavin Schmidt, Phil Jones, etc)

I don't think that's quite fair about Mike Mann -- I think his major idological belief is the belief that it's good to be a tenured professor at a major school that quickly out of grad school.

DrJ

I saw your link, rse, and am slogging through it. So far it sounds like another well-intentioned federal bureaucracy that will do little good and probably quite some harm.

Chubby

Joan Baez is a Quaker and that was the source of her pacifism.

boris

My goodness Charlie why would partial derivatives have anything to do with a simple scaler like temperature. If partials apply then vectors would also and we all know that can't be so.

Charlie (Colorado)

Most interesting thing in the article was her relationship with "rocker Bob Dylan."

Didn't you know about that? She wrote about it in her song "Diamonds and Rust."

Don't go hatin' on Joan. She's the only lefty I know of who was as harsh toward the Khmer Rouge as she was about the Viet Nam war.

No question about it.  Except in that grove without trees Akademe.

Thot thar is intellect, Jack.
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Charlie (Colorado)

Ol' Joanie's been milking that Dylan "relationship" for nearly 50 years. She owes her career to it.

Being hot, a great songwriter, and compelling singer didn't hurt either.

Charlie (Colorado)

So like you, Jane, to get men drunk so you can take advantage of them..tsk

Me next! Me next! I'm a writer too. And I've been on Fox.

Well, okay, only once and it was two years ago....

narciso

It's a wonder Jib, both Draper, and even Frank Rich, through his jaundiced worldview,
have a better understanding, than the folks at the Post, their third string Noonan, who I won't humor with a reference.

Gawker was responsible for the most disconcerting element of the campaign, the publishing of her primate emails, You betcha
she's bringing extra harpoons

Chubby

((Anybody viewing his mawkish convention weepers where he tried to convert family tragedies (almost all self-inflicted) into votes should've recognized a disgusting purveyor of flim-flammery.))

how many children had nightmares about the end of the world thanks to him? showing his movie in schools was a crime against humanity imo

Charlie (Colorado)

Oh, Ann!! J Crew's having a dress MO contest. You could win $150.

Hijab and/or a very loose burkha.

Charlie (Colorado)

My goodness Charlie why would partial derivatives have anything to do with a simple scaler like temperature. If partials apply then vectors would also and we all know that can't be so.

You know, you actually had me going with that for the first sentence. Good job.

Charlie (Colorado)

Gawker was responsible for the most disconcerting element of the campaign, the publishing of her primate emails, You betcha

This'll teach them to monkey with her.

Chubby

I wonder what she meant by him plagiarizing. That's a pretty serious charge, he could sue her for libel could he not?

Clarice

I'd love to read the transcripts.

And Chaco I want to read your article.

Danube of Thought

Hell, you think Al Gore could tell you the difference between weight and mass?

Chubby

Al Capp jibed Joan Baez because she loved beautiful, expensive clothing and considering the values she espoused in song, he thought her expensive tastes were hypocritical. (The source of that is her autobiography. In her book she is totally unapologetic about her expensive tastes.)

DrJ

The local fishwrap (Sac Bee) once again is editorializing for green energy and the global warming boogieman. If CA weren't in such financial straights it might be amusing. But these idiots really believe that green energy will give unicorns and peace and love to all.

I hear Texas welcomes businesses...

matt

"What happened to my ozone?". An explanation of Cancun, Climate Change, and everything. LUN.

Charlie (Colorado)

And Chaco I want to read your article.

Me too. If I'd stop reading and commenting here I could write the damn thing.

Charlie (Colorado)

Yow.

Megyn Kelly does cheesecake for GQ.

narciso

Jacobsen, the one sane professor at Cornell, Rifkin is now a George Mason. reminds us, in the LUN, of what a 'hive of scum and villainy'
Gawker really is

PD

Never was much for folk music, so I never liked Dylan or Baez.

I did like some of Mitchell's stuff, particularly "Hissing of Summer Lawns." I didn't follow her personal life, so was unaware of her exploits.

Trivia: Cover of her "Hejira" was photographed a few miles away, on the frozen Lake Mendota back of UW campus.

MayBee

Later, Gutfeld sat next to me at dinner. Not only was he seasick but also 3 sheets to the wind. As I was only 2 sheets to the wind, I clearly had the upper hand.

I Would Die.

MayBee

Why is the most powerful woman in the world not in Lisbon with her husband?

Cecil Turner

I stopped following this debate a while back because I decided the most strident proponents were unserious. But let me see if I can summarize the predominant conservative view on "climate change":

  • We do appear to be in a warming trend, but the magnitude is unknown;
  • The claim that the extent is unprecedented is at best unproven (and the ramifications certainly don't match some of the doomsayers' sillier projections);
  • The connection between GhG emissions (esp. CO2) and climate change is not well understood (though this doesn't help all that much, because it will probably not be well understood by the time action is needed, if it in fact is);
  • The human portion of the GhG emission total is relatively small;
  • The political actions urgently proffered by the alarmists tend toward disproportionate economic detriments to achieve rather modest inroads into the relatively small human GhG contribution;
  • Practically everyone espousing such views (as an expert, at least) is making a rather good living doing so.
All of which leads to a rather cynical view of the whole process. But if the various programs continue to ignore the world's biggest GhG producer (now the PRC), contain payola for underdeveloped countries, and make proposed regulations that would further shift manufacturing from the more efficient countries to the less so, then I don't see any good reason to compromise with stupidity. And in any event, this is a rather bad time to do so.

Jack is Back!

MayBee,

Todd Palin is in Lisbon?

rse

Dr. J-

I have lots more cites but that report came out of Holdren's office and sets the tone for where they intend to take the science standards.

How they intend to use NOAA for K-12 ed and to teach kids to be stewards of the earth shows how much of this is propagandizing.

Mostly the requirement to make science fit a learner centered, activity oriented classroom and reject "chalk and talk" formal transmission of knowledge means that little foundational science knowledge will be available for most students.

As a UK researcher said tactlessly "we want them to have just enough content knowledge to be alarmed" about social and environmental problems and thus become "agents for change".

Clarice- Your reference to "habits of the heart" in your excellent pieces reminded me that the new federal assessments will be asking open-ended questions to test "critical thinking" and whether students have the desired "habits of mind".

Actual physics knowledge or history facts not required.

"How does acid rain make you feel and what should we do about it?"

MayBee

ha ha ha ha ha!

Andrew_M_Garland

To: 'My point, that ClimateGate allows the...' (Nov 21 09:11 AM)
Thanks for the compliment.

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To: Melinda Romanoff (Nov 21, 09:04 AM)
All is forgiven.

Charlie (Colorado)

Cecil, two quibbles: the absolute magnitude of warming since the cold spell 400 years ago is pretty well determined, and the notion that there is an anthropogenic component is pretty well supported.

The problem is that the magnitude of the anthropogenic component is close to the error term, and the idea that GHGs are the major contributor is somewhere between poorly supported and unlikely.

Jack is Back!

OT: This may be late to the party but our local real estate blogger had this on MERS. LUN

If this is old rehashing known to all the MERS addicts here, I apologize.

PaulL

The truth about blue moons (and why today's is).

LUN

matt

Katie Couric is worldly because she visits the cute little sex shop on the Upper East Side weekly and eats at all the same restaurants as the other worldly Upper East Siders rather than the ethnic joints run by those swarthy people downtown.

She is worldly because she is picked up in a Lincoln Town Car 3 hours before show time and taken to the makeup room, where she spends an hour and a half getting prepped.

She is worldly because she then has a 15 minute meeting with staff to make sure she can say words like Kyrgistan and Port Au Prince and nuclear properly so that no one laughs outright.

She is worldly because she then sits with her hair cut like a dyke at a desk in front of a blue screen and reads the news from a teleprompter with a serious look on her face.

She is worldly because 10 minutes after she's finished she jumps back in the Town Car and goes back uptown thanking Buddha or Shiva or whoever her trendoid Upper East Side God alternative is she didn't stumble over the word quantitative.

She is worldly because she the gets on a G 5 for Neckar Island for a week because the stress of life in Manhattan is so hard to deal with.

Remember Tommy, me boy?

Blue Moon, eh?
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boris

"the notion that there is an anthropogenic component is pretty well supported"

If one assumes a warming trend then CO2 concentration increases with or without human contribution. With no human contribution, CO2 would be released from warming oceans where the rate of release depends on water temp and air concentration.

Now the increase in CO2 concentration from human activity reduces the ocean rate of release and there is no guarantee that the concentration level would be very much different without it.

Danube of Thought

Thanks a lot for that, PaulL. I have always been kind of a moon freak, and until now I had always believed the erroneous definition.

Clarice

boris, your summation is as good a one as I've seen.

DrJ

rse,

I've still only made it though the executive summary, so I can't comment on the particulars you cite. However,

Mostly the requirement to make science fit a learner centered, activity oriented classroom and reject "chalk and talk" formal transmission of knowledge means that little foundational science knowledge will be available for most students.

This is just not a good idea. I'd like to see that those who have potential to enjoy the sciences are identified and stimulated. Most simply aren't that interested or capable, and that's fine.

What worried me more, from the summary at least, was the emphasis on "technology." Usually this means computers, and while there's a place for this, what would get pushed out is traditional lab work. This is a terrible mistake, since so much of science still relies on real observations, measurement uncertainty, and important basic techniques.

I'd like a HS kid to know that a pH 4 solution is no big deal, particularly since they encounter vinegar or wines daily. I'd like them to know what some basic chemicals smell like. I'd like them to understand why butter goes bad, and that an organic acid is responsible for the awful smell. Similarly for the organic amines, like putricine or cadaveine. The sensivitivites to things like sulfides as opposed to organic acids. How combustion works, and the colors in a flame. How batteries work. How to use a micrometer, a microscope and a telescope, and why they work.

Simple stuff, really, and not that hard to learn. (And yes, these reflect my interest in Chemistry.)

I grant that I'm not that familiar with K-12 science. Heck, I'm not that familiar with undergraduate education either. But it has been my experience that the kids these days do not understand how repetitive and painstaking doing good science really is. I've had a slew of interns, and while they did not expect to cure cancer by the end of the week, they sure thought by the end of the internship that they darned well better.

If the plans you cite push the environmental agenda, well, that would be a waste and politically destructive. I've seen it already with my granddaughter and the pablum she brings home. And there is no countering what a teacher has said, even if said teachers are idiots.

I don't really know the way forward on a lot of these things. Please do continue to keep raising the issues here, since personally I'd not be aware of it otherwise.

boris

Thanks Clarice. It has always bothered me some that human CO2 is somehow bad but ocean CO2 is "natural". Thus X% of the increase is bad human % without subtracting the extra % amount that would have been released by the ocean in its absense.

Stephanie

((And there is no countering what a teacher has said, even if said teachers are idiots.))

Well on her way to becoming a good subject of the state? ;) I'm surprised that you haven't taught your granddaughter to question what and why she is learning.

I taught my kids early on that teachers aren't required to be experts in anything that they teach. They are required to be experts in "teaching." They question their teachers frequently and bring the firepower to back up their claims. They've noticed that the textbooks suck, too, and point out the errors to the teachers.

They also noticed the slant to the texts and the extreme liberal bias of some of their teachers. Talking about conservative principles and such with them, they naturally question when something is "fishy."

Clarice

boris, you ninny. There's no way to tax the ocean.

Charlie (Colorado)

If one assumes a warming trend then CO2 concentration increases with or without human contribution. With no human contribution, CO2 would be released from warming oceans where the rate of release depends on water temp and air concentration.

If one assumes enough, one can draw any conclusion. But look back at what I said: I said it was pretty well supported there's a contribution; you're claiming instead that there's no net contribution.

DrJ

I'm surprised that you haven't taught your granddaughter to question what and why she is learning.

We've sure tried. She insists that the teacher has the authority, and we don't. And she's rather stubborn.

It'll come with time. I've not given up hope.

sbw

Dr J. Tell her she's a secret agent. She has to give them what they want, but know the rest for herself.

Stephanie

Thank goodness! Arm her with a good conservative upbringing and the questions will start. My husband was a science teacher and I prefaced all discussions with her with "you KNOW Dad's not a genius, so..." Just a little advantage and use of children's psychology wrt parents are dumb...

DrJ

Nice thought, sbw, but right now, what with hormone, boys, hair/nails/clothes and cell phones, I don't think the secret agent approach would work.

boris

you're claiming instead that there's no net contribution

It was not intended as refudiation since my point agrees that humans have contributed a % of the increase.

Zombie Stalker

I wasn't picking on Joan Baez. I did know about her relation with Bob Dylan. If I was picking on anyone, it was the author of the article. Even though Bob Dylan went electric decades ago, I still can't get to "rocker Bob Dylan" for some reason. Jakob, yes, but not Bob. And "6th Avenue Heartache." Heh.

I had not heard Joni Mitchell's criticism of Bob Dylan. I assume she's referring to his "voice" in a literary sense (as I recall, it was a big deal for him to put a minaret on his house - seemed cool at the time to me). If she means the sound of Dylan's voice, why fake a voice that bad? I mean, if I was faking it, I'd go full Leonard Cohen.

If I recall physics from my freshman year correctly, Michelson & Morley performed some experiments to essentially determine whether the Earth was swimming upstream or downstream in the ether. The experiments were inconclusive (because they were stuck on ether). Lorentz looked at their reults and came up with some equations (the Lorentz transforms). He concluded that something was wrong with the experiment because the transforms only worked if time and distance were not constant. Einstein looked at the transforms and concluded that the transforms were correct, there was no ether and time and distance vary according to speed. General Relativity was a 3rd year graduate subject in the math department.

My guess is that any politician who believes that "the science is settled" as far as AGW goes, will also tell you that a "partial derivative" is something cooked up by Wall Street and Evil Republicans (redundant to them, but necessary to emphasize the point for those who might not get it) solely to steal fro Democrats and other honest citizens.

Jane

Charlie,

I will get you drunk whenever you want.

Jane

I Would Die.

Probably not, which is a bit sad and unexpected. Caro was on the other side. Let's see what she says.

Extraneus

Imagine if the whole world-wide left was antagonistic to Michelson, Morley, Lorenz & Einstein? Cut off their research funding, shunned them as heretics, a danger to mankind. "The ether is established science! There's a consensus!"

Strange times we live in, more like Galileo's than Einstein's. DoT's gibbeting idea is a good one, though. (Gore first, of course.)

matt

naw, ext...a good auto da fe' for Manbearpig..An hommage to global warming if you will....

Gmax

Jane

I am pretty sure he was more interested in the taking advantage part of the equation...

pagar

"our local real estate blogger had this on MERS"

As you read the Link JiB posted, you might want to keep in mind the following:

Countrywide admits to not conveying notes to mortgage securitizations trusts.

"If the notes and mortgages were not properly transferred to the trusts, then the mortgage-backed securities that the investors’ purchased were in fact non-mortgage-backed securities."

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