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November 14, 2010

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Jack is Back!

OT: The highly anticipated movie by Niblick has just been released: "Mr. daddy Goes To Washington". Also at LUN

Niblick informs me that he is still getting used to the words you need to avoid and the ones you need to use to prevent the garble that comes out. Also, he is trying new camera tricks that don't necessarily work all the time. But then he ain't a MIchael Moore or Oliver Stone.

Clarice

I blogged that the other day. As I recall Toensing said that CIA does a damage assessment re each leak and conveys that to DoJ. Was Comey away when that came in? Did Tenet misfile it?

Wasn't it clever of Fitz to argue he needn't produce one because he wasn't charging a leak of classified info and then strongly suggest to the jury in his closing statement that stopping leaks was so important because of the lives it put in jeopardy?

Bunch of snakes.

boris

An excellent (IMO) treatment of the Libby trial and problems with the movie is 'Fair Game' Glamorizes Distortions and Perpetuates Myths by Stan Crock at World Affairs

A view from inside the Libby circle that appears to support my general take on the Plame scandal from the beginning as well as some other commenters here at JOM (ie Cecil Turner). Other takes, such as the host's, DoT's and cboldt's, don't fare so well. As expected from a Libby camp POV.

Clarice

Yes, it is excellent.

A commenter as Newsbusters said this--don't know if it's true, but I hope it is:


"The move Fair Game is not doing well. The movie has been out 8 days and grossed $1,179,000 in the U.S. and $1,103,907 overseas. Cost 22 mill to make."

Captain Hate

Isn't this movie what two attention whores like Wilson and Plame ultimately wanted out of a career in the CIA?

Clarice

I cited the Crock piece, too.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/11/just_about_anything_is_fair_ga.html>Plame Game, and a Crock

Or afterwards.  There's no FOIA on those wiretaps, is there?

Yeah, and more and more it looks like Fitz stopped Blago before Obama was incriminated.
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You've got to Show Me different.  Maybe a House investigation of his sorry arse?

I think Fitz sold his soul to the Devil, masquerading as God.
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narciso

According to Namebase, the fellow in question was flagged by Agee, in the 1978
edition of the crib sheet that the DGI had him copy from,

Yes, I know, uncertainty of executive succession.

He claims he halted an ongoing criminal enterprise. The cost/benefit analysis in this particular criminal enterprise leads to the conclusion that he should have let the criminal enterprise roll on for awhile. What would have been the damages of continuing wiretapping at that point?
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Location, location, location.

Heh, Clarice, they brought the movie out three years too late.
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MayBee

Fair Game is only open in very limited release. It opened in 40ish theaters last weekend and this week rolled out to 175 theaters, as compared to 2000+ for a major theatrical release. My guess is they are hoping to get some acting award nominations for Watts and Penn.

pagar

JiB,
"Mr. Daddy goes to Washington" is great!
--------------------------------------------For those who still have an interest in how MERS is fleecing America. I have put some new links on the Peggy Noonan -Wrong Thread.

matt

None of this matters in Hollywood. This is all part of the process of reinforcing their worldview and using the medium for their propaganda. Who is left to propagandize is the real question.

With the massive blowback of the election, it would seem that more and more of the people are becoming openly defiant of the narrative being foisted upon them. Even the bubbles that are LA, DC, Chicago, Boston, and NY are being pierced. Whole segments of our society are now questioning authority, as it were.

The real question is what comes next. There has been an election, but if it gets screwed up, the future of the country as an ongoing enterprise is at stake.

Clarice

A former CIA official emailed me in response to my blog that Pound is a well-respected former high CIA officer. Pound, according an another article, headed the athens office.


Clarice

MayBee, How long will it take Hollywood producers to catch on that we aren't paying for Stone's (or anyone else's) make believe history tales?

Are they so loaded that it doesn't matter that they keep losing their shirts?

I sure hope some immigrants with brains retake the old studios and return to making movies I care to see.

RichatUF

Maybee-

Welcome back, and you got the point I wanted to make. It was a bit early for the awards cycle and the run time on the film is pretty short. The limited release and short run time-the movie is a dog and money loser and the distribution company wants to limit the losses. (But I'm still debating wheather to see it and write up a rewiew).

Danube of Thought

I can hardly wait for the mawkish self-congratulatory bullshit at the Oscars, especially about the "courage" it took to make this turkey. You can bet your last dollar that Joe and Val will be there, and that all the usual suspects will be fawning all over them. I am already feeling the urge to puke.

Clarice

Gosh, DoT..That'll be our chance to shine. I'll fly out and you and MayBee and i can run a protest in giant papier mache costumes alongside the red carpet.

RichatUF

Clarice-

They had Middle East money to make the film (Abu Dhabi Media Company) and got a distribution deal with the same folks that released "An Inconvient Truth" and "Waiting for Superman". Screenplay was based on Plame's and Wilson's books and the creative side was the same folks that made the "Bourne" series.

bunky

Scooter was convicted of outing Plame. Oh wait a minute, I get jokes, I get jokes.

PS: Hey Richard Armitage: what does it feel like to leave an innocent man twisting in the wind?

Jack is Back!

What Armitage really did was out Joe Wilson to be the POS he is and now America knows it. In fact, both of them look more like the Saheli's than the hollywood toadies that play them. If Scooter has to pay the penalty that resulted in showing Joe Wilson and his wife for what they really are all about then it may be worth it. However, I have lost a few ounces of respect for W for not pardoning him. Still sticks in my craw and why I will not donate to his library.

narciso

Ironically, the man who defended him, when he was under attack by those Christic psychos and the Perot campaign.

Truly what Rocco and others have dug up, would serve as a much more interesting tale,
than the thin pastiche that is presented, but it raises a lot of challenges to 'the narrative,' of the Iraq War, and we can't have that

Clarice

Rich then I hope it really bombs.

Topsecretk9

(But I'm still debating wheather to see it and write up a rewiew).

Posted by: RichatUF |

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please do!

Frau Hochzeitstag

Kim, the date doesn't matter; the two grifters are receiving another payment for services rendered. First the books and now the film. As I said already, the only bright side is having the world's ugliest commie actor portray Wilson.

Reading Mr.Crock's article has brought back all the frustration, sadness and sense of miscarriage of justice that I had at the time. I have not yet tossed my Wilson/Plame file and now have five more pages to add. My local McClathy has had two reviews,both claiming the film is accurate. And Howard Zinn is no longer alive!

glasater

Still sticks in my craw and why I will not donate to his library

JIB--you got GWB's letter also I take it? :)

Frau Hochzeitstag

Dubya mentioned Libby and pardons in his interview with Sean Hannity, I believe. Did you see that JiB?

MayBee

RichUF- it's early for Awards consideration only (and wider release than it would need to be for that). I suspect the timing of the release was to coincide with the elections, and they hoped it would catch on. Worth a go, I suppose.

It is funny to me that it was produced with money from Abu Dhabi and filmed in Amman, Jordan. Jordan is where Plame allegedly practiced her spycraft.

jimmyk

Are they so loaded that it doesn't matter that they keep losing their shirts?

There's no way they couldn't have foreseen that this would be a big bust. Who would be interested in this other than a few urban pseudo-intellectuals and inside-the-beltway types. How to explain throwing away money? Seems to me it's a way to make political spending tax-deductible. Some studio gets to offset the profits from other movies with the losses from this clunker. Beats making a non-deductible donation to the DNC>

boris

A lot of people never bought Libby's memory argument and thus concluded he was covering something. Perhaps the most obvious thing to protect would be something his boss, Dick Cheney, did or said that would look bad.

So the one person most likely to persuade W that Libby deserved a pardon had a presumed conflict of interest.

centralcal

What is Richard Armitage up to these days?

It's in the WaPO, the WaPo.

Hah, Hah! Karzai thinks our last Presidential election was manipulated and wants us to reduce our presence there.
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I love Bush, but I'm with JiB on this one.

boris, I believe Cheney extended himself in the last days to get a pardon for Libby. Bush wouldn't do it.
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However, I got my first hint about Foley from Crypto.

And MayBee, where Foley died.
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Janet the tea-vangelist!

A lot of people never bought Libby's memory argument

Libby shouldn't have had to make any kind of "argument" at all. Armitage dropped Plame's name like lots of others around DC (Andrea Mitchell)...lots of people knew. It was no big deal. The whole affair was a made-up big deal.
Too bad an innocent patriotic American had to be caught up in the whole sorry made-up show.

Topsecretk9

I could never figure out the Foley connection exactly left by Crypto, or the meaning in many of Crypto's comments.

Jack is Back!

What is Richard Armitage up to these days?

Probably still in Gold's Gym trying to lift that damn deadweight Sandy Berger off the floor. LUN

Can you imagine after all that has been revealed they give Old Bullet Head a job as chairman of a bipartisan panel to look at Afghanistan. Why couldn't they have given that job to a really smart diplomat who knows everything, someone like Joe Wilson.

Chubby

((Dubya mentioned Libby and pardons in his interview with Sean Hannity, I believe. Did you see that JiB?))

Bush also mentioned it the Andrew Roberts interview, link posted by a JOMer whose name I can't remember, a few days ago. "George W Bush: I’m comfortable about my place in history" LUN

from the story:

((The case of Gerald Ford encouraged him to recollect how the pardoning of Richard Nixon “was viewed as a catastrophe for America at the time, but is now seen as an act of statesmanship”. Yet Bush didn’t pardon Scooter Libby, who was convicted of leaking the name of a CIA official whose husband had embarrassed the administration. “I did commute his sentence, but frankly I was disgusted by all the pleas I received for pardons,” he says. “The rich and powerful tend to get preferential treatment in the process. I had a whole bunch of requests but I wasn’t going to fall prey to an unfair system.”))

Ironically, (in view of JIB's comments above), the above paragraph was followed by a paragraph about the hundreds of millions he's raised for the George W Bush Presidential Centre.

JIB ... I enjoyed the film :) I do hope you wrote W and told him why you are not donating.

Very good to see ya'.

Yep, pooch. But Foley was USAID in Africa and probably knew something about yellowcake over there.
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Clarice

MayBee and Dot really fled from the scene as soon as I mentioned my terrific idea for an Oscar protest..

Whaaaaaaaaaaa

RichatUF

TSK9-

Crypto has been in the threads recently. Foley was USAID in Jordan dealing with the Palestanians at the time of his death.

mockmook

RE: Andrew Roberts interview

Libby wasn't convicted of leaking Plame's name.

mockmook

Speaking of Bush interviews:

Will someone please ask Bush why he continued to allow Iran to commit acts of war against the USA forces in Iraq.

Jack is Back!

Thanks to Pagar and Chubby for the compliments on the film. I need to know from the tribe if they would like to see my next one to be related to The Plame Affair?

I have read all the interviews with W and know his thinking on Scooter but Libby was the only guy in his administration to get the striped suit and I think it was wrong on his part not to pardon him. I agree with Cheney that he was a patriot and a warrior in our WoT. I also agree with Mr. Crock that Libby liked a Kafkaesque ordeal - the one who should have been in the docket was Joe Wilson, who actually lied and documented it in the New York Times as well as Plame in her memoir.

Jack is Back!

liked=lived. Grrrrrrrrrr!

Chubby

JiB

W's reasoning made him sound quite liberal, didn't it? It's amazing how much the left hated him, considering how liberal he was on certain issues.

Did you write him and tell him why you are not donating?

mockmook

Libby needed to lawyer up immediately and not talk to anyone.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

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BR

Yeah, Jack, do it well for worldwide release! In Christopher Felix speak, DA them (literally "dead agent" as a verb, but meant figuratively as in "discredit the liar by showing the truth," for those who are faint of heart:)

Let's think up some titles for Jack.

Frau Hochzeitstag

Clarice, count *me* in and I'm "freeway close." We'll talk costuming later.

Just to get you in the mood (and all the other SoCal JOMers), do not miss out on the preview at LUN: Olsen and Johnson's classic 1941 "Hellzapoppin" with Martha Raye, Hugh Herbert, Mischa Auer, 1/3 of the Stooges, the Harlem Congeroo Dancers and ... keeping with the topic of this thread Secret Service Agent 2566!

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Let's try that again:

Quantatative Easing Explained by Video Cartoon

Frau Hochzeitstag

Yes, Sara, I've saved that video and shared it.

Well, I'm off to have lunch with my best friend in Pasadena and then buy flowers for my husband. It's our one hundred seventh wedding anniversary! We'll celebrate the one hundred eighth on the first of December, but unlike our C-i-C, enough about me.

Clarice

mockmock,Bush INSISTED everyone cooperate with the
investigators, even the thieving rats like eckerode who lost key exculpatory material and misepresented with Libby had said according to the sworn testimoy of his fellow FBI agent, the nly one who showed up at the trial.

BR

Auditioning for the role of Valerie Flame

Clarice

*Ekenrode*

*misrepresented WHAT Libby said***

Jack is Back!

Sara,

Darn the person who wrote that script was pretty good - not just the content and satire but using the words and punctuation better than I do to get the clarity of the speech. It seems simple but there is a way to write the script and use the camera angles, looks, body language etc. I am just now getting used to.

BTW, my working titles for the new movie is "Bearing Plame" or "Plaming Scooter".

BR

No takers for Joe, but you get my drift.

With Soros and Strong still on the loose, I'd go with Option B.

Anybody notice how little coverage there is of Copenhagen II in Cancun next week? It's either a measure of how much global warming is now out of the public consciousness(doubt it), or a measure of how much they need to keep what they're going to do out of the public eye.
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Clarice

Not safe for work.. To protest stoning in Iran women go barechested at Iranian Embassy in Kiev
http://www.youtube.com/verify_age?next_url=http%3A//www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D-QoW-gIQEKQ%26feature%3Dplayer_embedded%26has_verified%3D1> Not suggesting this protest for Fair Game

Clarice

I hope it gets snowed out, Kim.

Appeal.  The dozen Constitutional scholars need to be answered, also.  Investigate Fitz, the Bum.

OK, Clarice, like one of Skinner's Dogs I respond:

The FBI one morning
Lost its notes suborning.
Eckenrode, where is that toad?
He's wanted at a harrowing.

I note Crock makes the point, too.
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glasater

Fitz and Eckenrode from a presser.
Fitz & Eckenrode

Where has the guy on the right gone?

I knew something was wrong when my first impulse was wondering why it wasn't fitting into Haiku form.

Omigod!

The FBI one morning
Lost its notes suborning.
Eckenrode,
Where is that toad?
He's wanted at a harrowing.
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Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow.

Heh, C. No word on whether or not Gore attends. Minneapolis got hit and good.
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bunky

What went through other staffers minds when they realized W would not be there for them? No wonder the second term sucked (except for the surge).

PS: you think Armiass told his buddy Colin what he did/knew?

Peter is smiling about it.

Anybody notice that our pal Delingpole got the Bastiat Prize for his Telegraph blog. He routinely gets over a thousand comments and all of them good stuff.
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bunky

......the surge and two really awesome Supreme Ct appointments.

I've little question.  Where's the gavel, or the scales?  I'm ready.  They should be shot.

Personally, bunky, I think Armitage and Powell laughed there asses off over the trouble it caused the White House and I hope they roast in Hell for it.
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Clarice

bunky, Armitage told Powell and the Gen Counsel of DoS went to Gonzales and asked him if he wanted to know what State had told Fitz and Gonzales fearing he'd be in the middle declined the offer. Powell knew from the outset.

Clarice

Dollars to doughnut, Powell and/or Armitage told Andrea Mitchell about Plame and she told Russert who conveniently forgot that from the time of Eckenrode's first phone interview of him to the staged depo in the offices of NBC's lawyers.

MarkO

The failure to elicit testimony from Andrea Mitchell about her admission of knowledge in this case was astounding. The method by which NBC's lawyers avoided that was even more astounding.

BR

Thank you:) Now I'm going out into the sunshine for a tan.

Clarice

She and her husband are so close to Powell, he was one of the few people who attended their wedding. At one point the judge indicated he saw a name in her notes for the relevant period that he felt he would have to make her testify. Whose name could that have been? Hmmm

bunky

Colin Powell is just one weird, very ungrateful dude. The highway of death decision sums him up perfectly.

narciso

It's funny, in an ironic way, Armitage despised Iraq's exile council but he was on the board of Dyncorp which was Karzai's security, he was tight with that 'real democrat' Aliev's clan, trying to hang on to
the Baku connection, why I dubbed him "Kingsley" from the evil oil broker from the 2nd series of '24. Although Wilkinson wind the prize as Powell's chief backstabbing aide

Charlie (Colorado)

Will someone please ask Bush why he continued to allow Iran to commit acts of war against the USA forces in Iraq.

maybe you could work it out for yourself? Think about it: what would prevent a sitting president with an active two-front war, a heavily committed military, and either the best or second best covert operators in the world from making public relatively low level covert support by an opponent with whom no open conflict exists?

Cecil Turner
It was wrong to expose Plame.
Perhaps it was wrong. But let's review how it happened:
  1. Feb 2002. Valerie Plame introduces her husband during an interagency meeting to discuss his upcoming trip to Africa--nobody mentioned her status was covert--an INR representative took notes;
  2. May-July 2003. Joseph Wilson IV leaks details of his supposedly clandestine trip, resulting in several articles and culminating in his NYTimes guest editorial on July 6th;
  3. June-July 2003. In response to Joe Wilson's leaking, the INR officer's notes are incorporated into a Top Secret DoS memo which mentions Wilson's wife and her job at the agency;
  4. June-July 2003. Richard Armitage leaks the section of the Top Secret memo dealing with Wilson's wife to Woodward and then Novak;
  5. July 14, 2003. Novak publishes Armitage's leak (with weak confirmation from Rove).
Bottom line: the source of the leak was Plame and Wilson themselves. Armitage gets second billing. Libby is conspicuous by his absence.
narciso

Well Charlie let's be blunt that hasn't been true since around 1983, the IRGC's hand in our first defeats in Beirut, in attacks on our allies from Kuwait City to Torrejon aFB
to downtown Buenos Aires, not to mention their support of Sadr, and the occasional lifeline to the Taliban

maryrose

Cecil Turner:
You are so right in your assessment. I've always enjoyed your comments on this case as a true voice of reason. How Powell, Armitage and Mitchell can live with themselves is beyond me. I also never knew of Gonzales's knowledge of all this.

Clarice

Gonzales DIDN'T know. He never found out what State had conveyed to Fitz.

True, too.

Heh, heh, that's nice from maryrose, isn't it Cecil?
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mockmook

Clarice,

I've learned one thing from all of this:

NEVER talk to anyone--even if you are completely innocent and (think) you can prove it.

It's all 20/20 hindsight, but shouldn't a lawyer and DC player have realized "Do not talk to anyone."

Unless Bush or God were waterboarding me, I wouldn't talk to anyone.

Anyone.

(Except my lawyer)

narciso

This was what I referring to, in my very first post, and today as well, in the LUN

Boatbuilder

Given what Libby was charged and ultimately convicted for--allegedly lying about forgetting the source of already public information--I suspect that he didn't think there was any way that he could possibly be a suspect, didn't see any reason not to cooperate (particularly since the President ordered him to) and acordingly didn't "lawyer up" until later. In a remotely rational universe all charges against anyone related to this matter would have been quickly dropped once it became clear that a) Plame was neither "covert" nor "confidential," and b) the "leak" came from State, not the VP's office. Libby got blindsided--as did we all--because Fitz had not the least interest in "justice," and the press played along. I still can't believe that Walton didn't dismiss the case--and that he allowed Fitz to get away with what he did in the trial..

Janet the tea-vangelist!

Totally agree Boatbuilder.

Clarice

That's a good lesson to take away and I agree completely, boatbuilder.

Boatbuilder

Libby was supposed to roll on Cheney or Rove, but since there was nothing to "give up," he couldn't even if he wanted to. Fitz alleged and argued a conspiracy to obstruct justice, but never presented any evidence (other than innuendo) as to the purpose of the conspiracy. He relied on the jury disregarding its oath and passing judgment based on what it had heard in the press, rather than what was presented in the courtroom. A terrible travesty.

maryrose

I stand corrected-so Gonzales had a hear no evil approach to the entire event My experience of it was no matter what evidence to the contrary-Plame kept screaming that she was a covert agent even though she had been previously outed..

Clarice

Now, listen, maryrose, Cecil is my favorite.

RichatUF

maryrose-

The sharks were already in the water. Gonzales was informed that State had information, he wasn't given the information.

narciso

Mr. Pound comes up in this story, with his previous Athens posting, in the LUN

George

Tom,

If anyone is up for a game, I'd suggest going to this latest fantasy-riddled post by Herr Wilson and trying to get any comment posted that's even remotely critical of him:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joe-wilson/decision-points-george-bu_b_781244.html

I've written about 10-15 different comments to that thread, and all of them have been censored. None of them used foul language. None of them used any name-calling. All of them did however point out inconvenient facts that don't fit with Wilson's narrative.

Even a comment I wrote simply asking what the name of the person who was the primary leak to Novak was, has been censored.

Now I've written a comment with simply the name "Richard Armitage": http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/Goodish/decision-points-george-bu_b_781244_67461799.html

That one was allowed to be published, but I bet it will be flagged and removed in due time.

Conclusion: Huffington Post is willfully censoring comments to protect Wilson.

Surprised? Hah.

Topsecretk9

Posted by: Very good to see ya'.

Very good to see ya' too, kimster!

TSK9-

Crypto has been in the threads recently.

Rich,

Sorry had to dash just after i commented,.

Really, still? What threads?

Here's hopin'

Scattered and as incoherent as ever. Probably a waste of time to look but maybe in some of the five from Peggy Noonan to Jaw Dropping. Still on about Plame, so may show up here.
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Janet the tea-vangelist!

Good for you for trying George.

narciso

AS you see from the LUN, Pound really had a chance to do a thorough going review of the NOC program, and any leakages therein

A powerful witness.  Let's go, Repugs.

Nice link, narciso, @ 8:22. It sounds like Pound would be ready to testify and is credible.
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I was banned here, so I put my movie script @ Maine Web Report.

Tea Party Nation is ready to hear this story and believe me, they don't know the half of it.
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Got a mention one day from the nun who ponders.

Heh, I was liveblogging you guys liveblogging the trial.
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