A Gem From Peggy Noonan

Peggy Noonan has an excellent take on Obama's disastrous press conference.  Sorry, that was the Tuesday press conference where he explained he hated the compromise he was announcing and that everyone on the left and right were jerks, not the Friday presser where he got bored and headed off to a Christmas party, leaving Bill Clinton to deal with tedium of taxes, economic recovery, unemployment insurance, and blah, blah, blah.

From Ms. Noonan:

President Obama was supposed to be announcing an important compromise, as he put it, on tax policy. Normally a president, having agreed with the opposition on something big, would go through certain expected motions. He would laud the specific virtues of the plan, show graciousness toward the negotiators on the other side—graciousness implies that you won—and refer respectfully to potential critics as people who'll surely come around once they are fully exposed to the deep merits of the plan.

Instead Mr. Obama said, essentially, that he hates the deal he just agreed to, hates the people he made the deal with, and hates even more the people who'll criticize it. His statement was startling in the breadth of its animosity. Republicans are "hostage takers" who worship a "holy grail" of "tax cuts for the wealthy." "That seems to be their central economic doctrine."

As for the left, they ignore his accomplishments and are always looking for "weakness and compromise." They are "sanctimonious," "purist," and just want to "feel good about" themselves. In a difficult world, they cling to their "ideal positions" and constant charges of "betrayals."

...The president must have thought that distancing himself from left and right would make him more attractive to the center. But you get credit for going to the center only if you say the centrist position you've just embraced is right. If you suggest, as the president did, that the seemingly moderate plan you agreed to is awful and you'll try to rescind it in two years, you won't leave the center thinking, "He's our guy!" You'll leave them thinking, "Note to self: Remove Obama in two years."

People may have been thinking "Two more years", but how could they have known he would walk off the job three days later?

Comments

[Clarice]

Credit where credit is due, she made an obvious point but one well worth underscoring.

[anduril]

Barry pulls a Sarah? If it happens twice it sure looks like a political trend.

[peter]

All right, let me save the rest of the JOMers the trouble:
Sorry, Peg, you lost your cred twenty five months ago.

How did Steely Dan put it? Peg, it will come back to you.

[Jack is Back!]

She forgot to add that The Won also hates himself. And in a nutshell that is the problem we have. He is so into himself and his rampant narcissism he has come full circle and realizes that he is a turd of the most odious kind.

[Jane the hostage taker]

Well one thing we know for sure, when Barry gets the message that this was a mistake he will have to comment on it. I can't wait.

[Captain Hate]

A gem from Nooner? Must be zirconium.

[Porchlight]

Not bad, Peggy, not bad.

[Bruce]

anduril, a Sarah is where you resign and let someone else run the State instead of leaving it in limbo.

A Barry is where you play golf or go to parties or play basketball and resign from the actual work, not the job itself.

[Extraneus]

I'm sure Peggy has to pay the bills, so it's good that somebody is reading her stuff.

[John P. Squibob]

The good thing for Peg is that a stopped clock is always right twice. At this rate she'll have another good one during the next mid-terms.

As long as she stops hanging out with that Katy Parker.

[Ed Butt]

Don't forget Barry is the only human being who never made a mistake. No wonder he despises the rest of us.

(A really good boss I had early in my career told me - after I had screwed something up - the person who never made a mistake is the person who never did anything)

[Gmax]

Well since it was but a short two years ago that Peg was in full swoon for the WON, this is a mark of how far he has fallen with the squishes. Since she is a member of the cohort that will determine his reelection, that being suburban white females, I would focus on this as a window on what is always a mystery to males, that being the female thought process.

At a point in her mea culpa, she is quite self revealing. "Note to self: remove Obama in 2012."

[Chubby]

I don't think it was "boredom" that prompted his hasty retreat from the co-Clinton press conference, nor even fear of Michelle, nor even love of Christmas cookies, I think it was plain old ENVY. His sense of inadequacy simply couldn't bear being in the same room with Clinton's finesse and control.

[Chubby]

I started reading the Noonan article yesterday and left off after about 3 grafs. The points she made about being gracious to one's opponents were good but I found the went downhill from there.

[Chubby]

((She forgot to add that The Won also hates himself. And in a nutshell that is the problem we have. He is so into himself and his rampant narcissism he has come full circle and realizes that he is a turd of the most odious kind))

I think you are exactly right Jack. I think his self esteem goes up and down depending on what others think of him and I don't think he's getting much respect from any quarter right now.

[hit and run]

Gmax:
Well since it was but a short two years ago that Peg was in full swoon for the WON

I have read that from many,many sources. And I am of that recollection as well.

And as the blogger-type who puts up a couple of posts a month -- and only does so when he thinks it can be used to get links from other,bigger bloggers -- I thought that a compendium of old Noonan quotes swooning for The Won would be gold to get other bloggers (who were claiming that she was swooning) to link my post.

So. Off I went. http://online.wsj.com/search/aggregate.html?KEYWORDS=Peggy+Noonan&SEARCHQUERY_PARSER=bylineAND&START_INDEX=141>Here is the link that takes you to her columns in the WSJ from 9/5/2008 to 12/12/2008. Read them if you want. Heck,scroll through the pages before and after those dates if you like. I haven't found any passages from her columns that show "full swoon" for Obama. I'm skimming -- so I surely may have missed something here or there. But I haven't found it yet. I would like to (see above).

Anyway,here is one quote,in the skimming I've done,that stands out. It was published on October 24, 2008,http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122479936986464521-search.html?KEYWORDS=Peggy+Noonan&COLLECTION=wsjie/6month>right before the election:

People wonder if [Obama] is decisive. It is clear he is decisive in terms of his own career: He decides to go for president of the law review, to move to Chicago, to roll the dice for a U.S. Senate seat, to hire David Axelrod, to take on Hillary, to campaign with discipline and even elegance. When it comes to his career, his decisions are thought through and his judgments sound. But when it comes to decisions that have to do with larger issues, with great questions and not with him, things get murkier. There is the long trail of the missed and "present" votes, the hesitance on big questions. One wonders if in the presidency he'll be like the dog that chased the car and caught it: What's he supposed to do now?

She may well have written some stuff or a lot of stuff that would be categorized as full swoon before or after this,but that passage sounds not dissimilar to the concerns we all had prior to the election,even if muted compared to our opinions in many ways.

She talked about him like a dog.

[DebinNC]

Interesting, hit. With a few exceptions, I've enjoyed and usually agreed with Peggy's pieces over the years. She certainly doesn't deserve being lumped in with Brooks and Frum imo.

[Porchlight]

I think it was plain old ENVY

Maybe so. I'd like to know whose idea it was for Clinton to do the presser with him. That would tell us a lot.

[Gmax]

Hit if I am wrong I will retract, but I care so little for what Peggy Noonan Squish Extraordinare thinks or writes, that I will pass on rummaging through the trash of her old columns. If she did not write it, she said it. Either expand your timeframe to slightly less than two years ago ( Zero was only President elect not yet President 2 years ago ).

Anyone else want to take the Hit and Run challenge? Why should Gmax have all the fun? Sheesh

[Chubby]

PL

it could very well have been BO's own idea, misunderestimating Clinton's ability to hog ... maybe he expected Clinton to get out there and dole out praise to him

[Chubby]

I think a lot of it was more her Palin hate over Obama love

[Gmax]

Hit how hard did you look. Google search "Noonan supports Obama" here is the first item that pops up from Wonkette ( big fat democrat )

Peggy Noonan Is Barack Obama’s #1 Fan

by Ken Layne
by Ken Layne
12:15 pm October 31, 2008

[Gmax]

Dont take my word for it, lets give the mic over to Peggy herself:

He has within him the possibility to change the direction and tone of American foreign policy, which need changing; his rise will serve as a practical rebuke to the past five years, which need rebuking; his victory would provide a fresh start in a nation in which a fresh start would come as a national relief. He climbed steep stairs, born off the continent with no father to guide, a dreamy, abandoning mother, mixed race, no connections. He rose with guts and gifts. He is steady, calm, and, in terms of the execution of his political ascent, still the primary and almost only area in which his executive abilities can be discerned, he shows good judgment in terms of whom to hire and consult, what steps to take and moves to make. We witnessed from him this year something unique in American politics: He took down a political machine without raising his voice.

After I vomit, I will come back but dont expect that retraction. Sound like swooning to you? Swoon River was that a song by Pat Boone?

[Gmax]

Did the oceans stop rising? I bet the Earth moved for Peggy.

[DebinNC]

Porchlight, this pic and caption answer your question imo. The mens' expressions, one deadpan and one giddy, tell the tale. Obama, striding into the room first of course, introduced Clinton with a classless "I'm gonna let him speak..." which probably removed any qualms Clinton had about what was to follow.

[peter]

I could give you a link, but it is to the HuffPo pOS site. so I won't

[peter]

Here's a link

[matt]

from now on, it's obama with a little "o", just like the man....small, small, small......what a pitiful excuse for a president.

His next presser will open with the old Groucho song, "Hello, I must be going".

[rrpjr]

In terms of his own self-interest, it was actually a very smart press conference. He tapped into the hatred in America for ALL sides. Why not?

[Cecil Turner]

This bit was particularly eyerollworthy:

his rise will serve as a practical rebuke to the past five years, which need rebuking;

What really kills me is all the stuff folks were criticizing Bush about:

• Gitmo;
• Detainees' rights;
• diplomacy;
• prosecuting the WoT; and
• competence.

Now we've got an alternative to compare and the cure was far worse than the disease. Maybe if we could get an honest discussion on issues (esp. without the enemy propaganda), we could find a rational yardstick on this stuff and get some realistic goals and expectations. Then we could quit electing bozos who lie about what they're going to accomplish before admitting the reality of the situation.

[DebinNC]

Gmax, here's more from that terrible last Noonan piece before the election:

"Whoever is elected Tuesday, his freedom in office will be limited. Mr. Obama is out of money and Mr. McCain is out of army, so what might be assumed to be the worst impulses of each -- big spender, big scrapper -- will be circumscribed by reality."

Hard to imagine anything that turned out to be more wrong than that. I'd think better of her if she'd admit her error in judgment.

[(Another) Barbara]

She talked about him like a dog.

Wonderful, H&R. Great catch.

[1000]

O is waiting for lucifer to get him more money.The Indo volcanoe earthquake thing didnt pay off.He's confused.

[Clarice]

Bravo, Cecil. It's just one of the reasons I think the Republicans should demand a no media moderated debate program--

[hit and run]

Good quote,Gmax. I thought she tempered her article enough to help limit the vomiting -- but then,it would still be an excellent quote for the link goldmine.

[MoodyBlu]

Anduril:
Barry pulls a Sarah? If it happens twice it sure looks like a political trend.

Palin resigned as governor to do something else. Napolitano resigned as governor to do something else. Sebelius resigned as governor to do something else. Can you explain how the three occurrences are that much different? As a bonus for us, if you chose to answer, see if you can weave a Pali/Jew reference into your answer.

[Janet the tea-vangelist!]

His next presser will open with the old Groucho song, "Hello, I must be going".

That would be SO funny!

[Chubby]

Since the libbies have been telling him from day one that there is so much racism against him, he is probably analyzing his failures in terms of being a victim of racism.

[Gmax]

Moddyblue please dont chant beetlejuice three times in a row. Next then you know we will be treated to endless runon cut and paste jobs...

[maryrose]

matt and Janet:
I am laughing with you and I love Groucho Marx and that song!It is so typical of Obama not to want to share the stage with Clinton. It's like he's standing in his shadow and being rapidly diminished.

[PaulL]

The main thing that sent Noonan over the cliff concerning W was having to take her shoes off at the airport.

I don't know if she's said anything about being groped and having her X-ray photos posted on the internet.

[hit and run]

This was not the first time (though this time was certainly more ...uh... spectacular) that Clinton tried to step on Obama in http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/10/kissimmee-kate.html>economic messaging.

"You know what he did?" Clinton said, heralding Obama's reaction to the financial crisis. "First, he took a little heat for not saying much. I knew what he was doing. He talked to his advisers -– he talked to my economic advisers, he called Hillary. He called me. He called Warren Buffet. He called all those people -- you know why? Because he knew it was complicated and before he said anything, he wanted to understand."
...
"The second thing -- and this meant more to me than anything else, and I haven't cleared this with him and he may even be mad at me for saying this, so close to the election -- but I know what else he said to his economic advisers -- he said, 'Tell me what the right thing to do is. What's the right thing for America? Don't tell me what's popular, you tell me what's right, I'll figure it out and sell it.'

That was then,this is now.

Because now Obama is enlisting Clinton to sell it so he can go have cookies.

[Captain Hate]

The first mistake is to believe anything that comes out Slick's grits hole.

[matt]

I was passing through security at LAX a couple of weeks ago, and said, very firmly< "ouch" when they scanned me. Didn't get a single response.

After watching people react, I think the revolution will start in a TSA line. The guy checking ID's in Miami was certifiable.

[Extraneus]

The one thing he can't have happen is for Hillary to primary him. If that means he has to kiss Bill's ass, let him sit in the big chair, appoint him to the SC, whatever it means, then that's just what he'll have to do. He cannot afford those two turning on him.

Hillary, on the other hand, almost has no choice. If Obama wins in 2012, then it's unlikely that she'd beat a Republican nominee in 2016, after eight years of a Dem administration. If a Republican beats Obama in 2012, maybe she can run against a one-termer in 2016, but it'll be hard. After all, she's not getting any younger. However, if she can knock Obama off in 2012, before her face really sags or the plastic surgery makes her look like an alien, then she just might be able to pull it off. I don't see how she can resist.

For Bill, it's all good.

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

Two African-American Georgia Democrats Become Republican

Two African-American Democrats on Thursday announced that they were joining the Republican Party.

Hall County Commissioner Ashley Bell and former state executive committee member Andre Walker said the Democratic Party had grown too liberal and they are finding a new home with the Republicans…

[RichatUF]

My teeth itch when I re-read her "View from Gate 14". Wonder what she thinks about naked body scanners and even more intrusive searches?

This is an opportunity, for Mr. Obama needs an Act II. Act II is hard. Act II is where the promise of Act I is deepened, the plot thickens, and all is teed up for resolution and meaning. Mr. Obama's Act I was: I'm Obama. He enters the scene. Act III will be the convention and acceptance speech. After that a whole new drama begins. But for now he needs Act II. He should make his subject America.

She had quite a few columns about airport security.

[Jim Rhoads a/k/a vnjagvet]

Maybe Clinton told the Bumster that like most performers, "he never shares the stage with children or animals".

[Pagar]

"After watching people react, I think the revolution will start in a TSA line."

The TSA lines should be getting shorter.
84 million Mexicans allowed to by US Airport Security..

Also,with AG Holder flying to California to reassure Muslims that DOJ is Anti-bias.

The only people left in the TSA lines will be Americans.

[Pagar]

That should read "DHS Fast-Tracking 84 Million Mexicans Allowing Them to Bypass Airport Security"

[RichatUF]

And if their was any doubt, Krugman has the answer-it is greedy individuals fault.

These days, we’re living in the world of the imperial, very self-interested individual; the man in the gray flannel suit has been replaced by the man in the very expensive Armani suit. Look at the protagonists in the global financial meltdown, and you won’t see faceless corporations subverting individual will; you’ll see avaricious individuals exploiting corporate forms to enrich themselves, often bringing the corporations down in the process.

Curiously Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, or the Sandler Brothers garbage dumps don't get a mention.

Those twin pilliars of evil the Koch brothers also make an appearence.

[RichatUF]

their->there...

[Longtime Lurker]

As a longtime follower of this blog I have always enjoyed the intellectual rigor and civility that is almost always on display here. However, I feel I must comment on the way many of the regular JOMers have chosen to respond to the postings of Anduril. While you may or may not agree with him he usually raises serious issues and supports his positions with clear and obviously well researched arguments, particularly regarding the Middle East. Given the substantial expenditure of blood and treasure the U.S. has commited to the Middle East with very little to show for it and the unquestioned linkage of U.S. and Israeli policy in that part of the world, Anduril's attempts to open a discussion/re-evaluation of U.S. policy in the Middle East would seem to warrant a serious response free of name calling, ad hominem attacks or gratuitous smears. If Anduril truly is the anti-semitic nut job that so many JOMers try to characterize him as it should be well within the abilities of the posters here to debunk his theories and vanquish him with intelligent and well supported argumentation rather than drag the usually high level of discourse found at this blog into the gutter of McCarthyism.

So please, for the benefit of those of us who rarely or never contribute to the discussions here but have long enjoyed the high level of discourse found here, stop the name calling and invective and debate these important issues like adults

[narciso]

No, I don't give Peg, an 'atta girl' until she admits who made this critique when it mattered, some 21 months ago, who continued
to do so, for the next two months or so, who raised the idiocy of considering terrorists of worthy of receiving Miranda rights, who pointed out that taxes were going up, that
his record, indicated he care little about victory in Iraq or Afghanistan, who pointed
out the sham of 'community organizing' et al.

[Pagar]

10 Dead-18 injured in Mexico gunfight.

The report does not tell us whether any of the 84 million Mexicans expected to be cleared to bypass US TSA lines were involved.

[Danube of Thought]

"...he usually raises serious issues and supports his positions with clear and obviously well researched arguments, particularly regarding the Middle East."

Balls.

[narciso]

I guess this shouldn't surprise, there really is no integrity from Sen. Brooke's one time girlfriend, in the LUN

[Sue]

Balls.

Ditto

[Rob Crawford]

While you may or may not agree with him he usually raises serious issues and supports his positions with clear and obviously well researched arguments, particularly regarding the Middle East.

He's an idiot with a deep-seated inferiority complex that asserts itself in his hatred of Jews. He is rarely on-topic, always pig-ignorant, and his "arguments" are routinely dispatched -- then he reacts by simply shouting louder and louder.

If you're so interested in his "arguments", go read them on his blog.

[bgates]

These days, we’re living in the world of the imperial, very self-interested individual

Yeah, but he shouldn't be able to do nearly as much damage next year if the majority in the House stays disciplined.

(Doesn't he mean imperious?)

[Thomas Collins]

Anchors Aweigh. See LUN.

[Longtime Lurker]

DoT,

Brilliant. Exactly why I qualified my praise for this blog with " almost always" and "usually."

[matt]

I would think Krugman could look in the mirror and find one of the more culpable pimps for the inside crowd; Enron, and 25 years of complete horse manure. Then, if he looked around the editorial meeting, he could find a few more. And if he looked around his social circle, a few more until finally, if he looked around at say, one of those Wall Street - Washington whorefests, he would have a whole roomful of culprits of all stripes.

Plenty of blame to go around on this one.....the times they are a 'changin....

[Sue]

Every year, the front row season ticket holders give up their seats to soldiers from the Brooke Army Medical Center in San Antonio. http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2010/12/mavericks-host-soldiers-tonight-at-aac.html>Tonight is Seats for Soldiers.

There will be 150 military members from Brooke Army Medical Center in San Antonio who will be sitting on the front row tonight at American Airlines Center to watch the Mavericks play Utah. The season-ticket holders who have those seats donate them once a year to wounded warriors and the evening is usually more uplifting to the Mavericks than it is to the military personnel. "I don't know what our record is on Seats for Soldiers, but I can only tell you we're going to come out and play with a lot of enthusiasm for the soldiers,'' Jason Terry said this morning after the shootaround. "It's always special to have the soldiers in the building. Not only during the game, when you make a play you can fly by and slap five with them and then after the game, shaking their hands and meeting them personally.'' Coach Rick Carlisle seconded that emotion. "It's awesome,'' he said. "It's such an appropriate gesture by the people who give up their seats and our franchise to accommodate these deserving people. Every year we've done it, it's been really special. "I think it gets the players juiced up and our fans even more excited. It's a night to look forward to.''

[hit and run]

for the benefit of those of us who rarely or never contribute to the discussions here

Is there a mouse in your pocket?

[Porchlight]

DebinNC, thanks for that photo. I think Bammers really, really didn't want Bill in that room with him - and yet he left him alone with the press. So weird..

Extraneus might be right about Hill - I will never count those two out.

[narciso]

Furthermore in an era where Ames, Hansen, Nicolson, (who inspired the movie the recruit)
and another unknown mole who may have preceded
them all, there seems an unwillingness to denounce the SVR's schemes,

[Danube of Thought]

"Exactly why I qualified my praise for this blog with 'almost always' and 'usually.'"

Here's a suggestion for you: go back to lurking, and see if you can talk that boorish, inconsiderate, delusional bigot into doing the same.

[Strawman Cometh]

Balls.

Indeed.

[RichatUF]

Longtime Lurker-

So cut-and-pastes qualify as "research"? He disrupts threads and namecalls. Just a few threads back on a relevant thread, Ranger tried to engage, and it was the same thing-long cut-and-pastes and namecalling (and he took a typo and made it an excuse for more cut-and-pastes and namecalling). I find the issue boring and anduril's take on it warmed over Chomsky. The issues were hashed out in this edition back in 2001 after the collapse of Clinton's peace missions and the start of the Bush administration.

brb

[Longtime Lurker]

Rob,

I wholeheartedly agree with you that Anduril's arguments " are routinely dispatched "......with loud shouts of " pig-ignorant" and " hatred of Jews" along with amateurish attempts at psychoanalysis. But thanks anyway for your contribution to raising the level of discussion.

[MayBee]

Thanks for your input, Longtime Lurker.

Perhaps you haven't lurked on the day he's called one or another of us stupid or liars or whatever other names he wants to throw around. After it was my day, I stopped responding to him with any attempt at serious discussion.

But please, join in here and join the debate in the way you see fit.

[Danube of Thought]

"...it should be well within the abilities of the posters here to debunk his theories and vanquish him with intelligent and well supported argumentation..."

Do you have in mind, for example, his theory that the congress can and should enact legislation banning Muslims from entering the country; that a president would sign such legislation; and that the courts would be powerless to review it?

Did you happen to be lurking here when his contribution to the "high level of discourse" here was to post, in its entirety, a NOTAM? How does one debunk and vanquish a NOTAM?

[Rick Ballard]

Porchlight,

Two narcissists entered, one left. We must keep Senator Kerrey's 1996 remark in mind "Clinton is an unusually good liar. Unusually good." Obama was outclassed (as he usually is, except when in a phone booth).

It was just pique and his usual lack of self control.

[Carol Herman]

Sure. Obama had two years. And, both houses of Congress. But NO deal! Now, with about two weeks to go, suddenly the two sides are talking to each other!

What a crappy deal!

While, of course, the republicans have also kept their losers. What's wrong with waiting for January? You know. When all the bills show up in the mail. And, a NEW Congress arrives; with a House that's got a whole bunch of new pubbies. (Led by the old losers.) But we can hope for change, no?

[rhymin' simon]

To Longtime lurker, in an era in which have the ongoing de-legitimization of the Jewish state and Jewish history, many of the readers scroll past Andruil. Qouting self hating jews such as Perter Beinart or using the filters of left leaning Jewish historiand who would be more comfortable sharing a table wiith the late Edward Said is not useful in persuading individuals to your POV.

It is as if andruil is using David Irving as his point of reference.

[Rick Ballard]

The socks are afoot, again.

[anduril]

RichatUF, whom I documented making up "quotes."

[anduril]

How does one debunk and vanquish a NOTAM?

Maybe you should ask daddy, whose posted NOTAM I copied and pasted. As you well know. That was daddy's form of "discussion."

[DrJ]

Anduril's attempts to open a discussion ... would seem to warrant a serious response

No, it does not. Anduril reappeared here some time ago after a long absence. He was welcomed back, but quickly wore out that welcome. These days many, me included, simply ignore him.

We owe him nothing. He has earned the scorn others heap on him.

[Strawman Cometh]

It is odd that the well-struck target of daddy's posted NOTAM is the only entity that didn't notice it.

[Ignatz]

Since LL is spreading his defense of anduril to various threads I'll repost my response to him here:
--Anduril's attempts to open a discussion/re-evaluation of U.S. policy in the Middle East would seem to warrant a serious response free of name calling, ad hominem attacks or gratuitous smears.--

LL,
I attempted on more than one occasion in the past to engage anduril sincerely in discussions, but he is not interested in discussions, so the attempts proved futile and ended in the usual recriminations that doing anything other than serviley agreeing with him brings.
He is at heart a propagandist, deaf to virtually any ideas other than his own, except for those few small areas where he concedes a lack of expertise. It's a pity because he is far from stupid and he holds a considerable number of useful ideas, but the incorrigible are still incorrigible no matter what their views.

[Strawman Cometh]

hmmm... LL = GG = sp

[anduril]

Do you have in mind, for example, his theory that the congress can and should enact legislation banning Muslims from entering the country; that a president would sign such legislation; and that the courts would be powerless to review it?

I could respond with just this paste job from Powerline:

Terrorist Bombing In Stockholm

Two bombs went off in Stockholm today, on streets that were crowded with Christmas shoppers. The facts are unclear; one of the explosions apparently came from a car that was packed with gas canisters. From news accounts, it appears that the only fatality may have been a terrorist.

The explosions were preceded by one or more telephone calls to a Swedish news agency, in Arabic and Swedish, urging Mujahideen to rise up in Sweden and across Europe and commit mass murder. This is apparently one more in what has become a series of Christmas-related attacks.

However, I'll add that I supported my arguments with serious discussions of the Constitution and case precedents--which went undiscussed--while DoT supported his diatribe against me with the incorrect application of a now disfavored "doctrine" and repeated unsupported assertions that my view is impossible.

[RichatUF]

it should be well within the abilities of the posters here to debunk his theories

During the campaign when the ME came up and Obama treked to AIPAC to make a speech, I wrote a response that got tacked on at the end of Richard Baehr's article.

[RichatUF]

Making up quotes?

[Sue]

Dallas is beating Utah in the 1st period 29-4. 4:30 left in the period. Damn...they are putting on a show for the soldiers. 7 3 pointers for Dallas.

[Sue]

Is our lurker Anduril's cousin or something? Anyone that spends their days cutting and pasting isn't providing an argument.

[Charlie (Colorado)]

His sense of inadequacy simply couldn't bear being in the same room with Clinton's finesse and control.

You know, I think I've got a counter theory. I think the "Michelle is waiting" was supposed to be a hint to Clinton "we're ending the press conference now" and Clinton saw the opportunity, leaving Obama in a place where he could make it look like Clinton was in charge by leaving -- or really make it look like Clinton was in charge by letting Clinton decide when Obama left.

[Old Lurker]

YL and I are not related to LL.

[DrJ]

:) OL!

[Clarice]

You may be right, charlie. Go to Drudge tonight and see the body language of the two men--in the series of photos. If Obama had more wit, he'd have smiled, grabbed Clinton by the arm and said we're finished, thank you all.

[anduril]

it should be well within the abilities of the posters here to debunk his [i.e., anduril's] theories

During the campaign when the ME came up and Obama treked to AIPAC to make a speech, I wrote a response that got tacked on at the end of Richard Baehr's article.

Posted by: RichatUF | December 11, 2010 at 08:51 PM

Making up quotes?

Posted by: RichatUF | December 11, 2010 at 08:55 PM

Rich's addition to Baehr's article is a series of comments on Obama's speech. In exactly what way that constitutes a response to my "theories" is anyone's guess.

[hit and run]

Clarice:
Obama had more wit, he'd have smiled, grabbed Clinton by the arm and said we're finished, thank you all.

"Wit" is one way to put it.

James Carville has another word to describe Obama's inability or unwillingness to stand up to a Clinton.

[Rick Ballard]

"If Obama had more wit"

It would mean that Santa had come.

[RichatUF]

Yea, those Mahomateans look alike.

[Clarice]

well, hit and Rick, I can't argue with that. It's the holiday season and I'm trying to be charitable.

[Longtime Lurker]

"Do you have in mind, for example, his theory that the congress can and should enact legislation banning Muslims from entering the country; that a president would sign such legislation; and that the courts would be powerless to review it?"

Actually, yes.

[Boatbuilder]

Need anything else, LL? Muslim terrorists are dangerous and threatening, therefore no Muslims should be permitted to enter the US.
Are we supposed to engage with him on that? Or on the politico-philosophical pronouncements of Ron Paul, about whom neither the host (if I may speak for him) nor the vast majority of the readers and commenters give a rat's ass? Or the perfidity of the Jews? The "Neocons?" (when he uses the term, everybody knows what he means).
If you really are a longtime lurker you know this. If not, the general consensus is, in this case, dead on, and you would do well to ignore him.

[Boatbuilder]

Ah, well; posted too soon. You two really should just take it somewhere else.