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December 22, 2010

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centralcal

I'm with Sarah. Moochelle should be paying attention to her own bathroom scales and not everyone elses. Huckabee is a schmuckabee and that is never going to change.

Cecil Turner

I don't mind a little role-modeling from the First Family; nor do I mind a government effort to inform.

Some people need to stop eating. More probably need to start doing something. On that score, Sarah wins. In any event, I'm not that interested in what MO has to say about much of anything. And if she really wants to bully her way into the public health proponency pulpit, maybe she can get her husband to stop smoking.

sam

Huckabee has always been an evangelical socialist.

Kevin B
...our national obesity and overweight statistics suggest that some aspect of the consumer decision making process has gone awry.

Of course, some would say that the reason obesity and overweight, (not to mention diabetes), is so prevalent is that government 'advised' us that eating animal fat was bad for us and came out with all that 'food pyramid' nonsense.

Government, more than any other agent is responsible for the breakdown of consumer decision making, and government should apologise for all the carp they've spouted on this and many other issues in the past, and then do us all a favor and STFU.

Clarice

I can see a poster with Michelle that reads eat broccoli and look like me and Sarah which says eat S'Mores and look like me.

Here's Michelle with side gussets. I think this would be the shot.
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_DawJTCHuL3c/TRH_mGjpQCI/AAAAAAAAJtQ/XbNc0U-Y5-Q/MO_obamamarcjacobs_560x530_thumb2.jpg?imgmax=800>Bustin out all ver


Suppose I said that street crime is more responsible for obesity than anything else because parents are afraid to go out or let their kids out. Would Michelle be for tough criminal enforcement?

Suppose I said that lazy welfare recipients are the fattest and the over generous food stamp program was the reason for soaring obesity figures? Would she be for welfare reform?

Suppose I said the reason is that teachers unions and blue state pols have destroyed city schools requiring more families to commute and kids to rely on school buses instead of walking. Would she be for educational reform?

I think the answer to all three is "no" because there's no money to be handed out to her friends that way.

Porchlight

We had been watching the Palin show in the living room when Sarah made the dessert comment. I then went and turned the Disney channel on in the other room for the girls. There was Michelle, talking about getting active & stuff with the Disney teen stars. Went back to watch Sarah and thought, "now here's a study in contrasts." We have the Michelle part of the country, mostly urban and suburban, sitting on their butts overeating and watching their betters in the WH lecture them on TV. Then we have the Palin part, where outdoor physical activity is the default position and where there is no need for such condescending ministrations from the all-benevolent Government.

In her recent interview with Time, Palin was asked who could beat Obama in 2012. Her answer: "Someone who can draw a contrast."

And how.

Cole Sear

Porchlight,

The red states suffer from obesity far more than blue states.

http://www.statemaster.com/graph/hea_obe_rat-health-obesity-rate

Rural areas versus urban, same thing. Rural children are much more susceptible to obesity.

Try the Google sometime. It works wonders.

Cole Sear

Left the link off about rural versus urban:

http://www.raconline.org/info_guides/obesity/obesityfaq.php

Sue

How much did Michelle's initiative cost us? Case closed. Sarah wins.

Sue

A nanny outfit? Did Palin push to have lettuce served in the school cafeteria or make a gentle suggestion we get off our fat asses? I don't mind Michelle raising awareness, but come on, her ass has grown, not shrunk, since her husband took office. Someone in main stream media point out that hypocrisy. I double dog dare you.

Porchlight

Where did I say it was a red state vs. blue state issue, Cole Sear?

Note what I said: "the Michelle part of the country." Michelle grew up in an urban environment. She is clearly playing to the urban and suburban population with this campaign - as evidenced by the location of her appearances, the WH garden with the DC schoolkids, the Disney channel spots at urban outdoor basketball courts, etc. So if rural/red state obesity is such a problem, why doesn't she head out to the red states and do some lecturing to them?

MarkO

Every day we are scolded about something. Cotton Mather would be proud.

Clarice

Here's a map of obesity in the UShttp://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/trends.html

It is by state with no separation I can see between urban and rural.

It is based on BMI which I find questionable.

The topic is really complicated, I think as is obvious from the fact that as the rest of the world gets richer, it's a problem there, too.

I expect a great deal has to do with genetic background.. Even when the world was poorer people in some places were fatter than others. And genetics comes to play in other ways. Plains Indians who stick with traditional diets stay thin; those who substitute beef and wheat for venison and corn get fat and get diabetes--their bodies apparently can't adjust to the shift.

Fat people are rare in Africa, ubiquitous in African- American slums.

Clarice

Here's a more current map
http://calorielab.com/news/wp-images/post-images/fattest-states-2010-468.gif

Clarice

Here's a map of the percentage of AAs per state.
http://www.censusscope.org/us/s36/chart_race.html

Ignatz

--I don't mind a little role-modeling from the First Family--

Then she ought to reduce the size of her big fat butt. Which is precisely why it's so easy to scoff at the progs who come by and whine about comments about her big fat ass when she's hectoring us on our big fat asses, which in my case is about 1/2 the circumference of hers.


--nor do I mind a government effort to inform--

Why? Because efforts to inform are so seldom follwed by efforts to regulate and then coerce?
Is there a state in the union which is not fully capable of informing its citizens of nutritional matters and if so why is the federal government involved in it and why is it tolerated in it?

MayBee

"This is in honor of Michelle Obama, who said the other day we should not have dessert," Palin said mockingly as she rummaged through her kitchen cupboards for graham crackers, marshmallows and chocolate.

Barack says that to the press all the time, as he chomps into a hamburger.

Michelle isn't modeling. She's pushing massive legislation.

MayBee

Here he is in March 2010:


At Savannah's landmark Mrs. Wilkes' Dining Room, the president told reporters: "I don't want any lectures about my cholesterol. Don't tell Michelle."

The standard menu includes an artery-clogging array: fried chicken, mashed potatoes, sweet potatoes, macaroni and cheese, collard greens, cream corn, biscuits, corn bread, macaroni salad, turnips, green beans, BBQ pulled pork, blueberry pudding and banana pudding.

Reporters were ushered out before Mr. Obama ordered. As he asked for a "sweet tea," he told his tablemates that would sample everything on the menu.

MayBee

Here is is saying Don't Tell Michelle! In October, as he munches a sausage burger.

csavanorola

"Of course, some would say that the reason obesity and overweight, (not to mention diabetes), is so prevalent is that government 'advised' us that eating animal fat was bad for us and came out with all that 'food pyramid' nonsense."

Yep. Exactly. The scientists who pushed the non fat sham on us look so much like the AGW ones it is striking. I never knew science could be so corrupted. But, there it is. Two shining examples of human self interest out-weighing the truth. I find it hard to trust just about any "scientist" now. It sucks.

John A

Both women are saying dessert should be only an occasional treat, and parents should decide which occasions. But the First Lady goes on to say parents are not always in control (because some parts of government, notably schools, allow too much sugar?) so the government (?) must step in, and with force rather than just advice. THAT is where the two part company on this subject.

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"... our national obesity and overweight statistics suggest that some aspect of the consumer decision making process has gone awry."

Maybe, but studies have found no "smoking gun." While the usual public perception is "You're fat - you eat too much" actual research most often shows fat people eat the same as their slimmer bretheren. Which makes at least some sense - if you keep eating more than you need you will keep putting on weight, not remain at the same weight for decades. As to the question of why they are fat in the first place, literally thousands of things have been looked at - and found wanting. It may be a combination of the things which have been subjected to individual study rather than one primary cause. The refrigerator, so we non-farmers do not have to shop every day? Indoor plumbig so we do not get exercise walking to the privy? More food additives?

MayBee

Good points, clarice.

Jeff

Cole Sear ...

nice try ...

there are 26 states above the national average of 20.5 %

15 Red and 11 blue ... you are looking good ...

But, if you take the state populations times their obesity rate you get:

24,540,000 blue staters above the national average

and

18,908,000 red staters above the national average ...

so who's fatter again ?

Jeff

Cloe Sear,

next time try using Google and your brain next time ...

pagar

It is my policy never to side with Michelle Obama.

"our national obesity and overweight statistics suggest that some aspect of the consumer decision making process has gone awry."

When you read this stuff, remember, in the dark of night, after every American had been told that the Communistic bill had been killed, the US Senate with the consent of every Senator (meaning there is not a single US Senator who gives a hoot about any American family farmer) passed the Destroy American Family farms Bill. Meaning every single aspect of the US food
chain will be controlled by government bureaucrats.

Here is a family farm that the bureaucrats have decided to destroy. Not because of any contamination, but simply because the government bureaucrats have the power to destroy, so they use it.

Warning the story does not take place in Venezuela, where one expects the government to destroy private enterprise but right here in America. Where American Senators meet in the dark of the night to pass bills that they couldn't pass in the daylight.

Senate Bill S510 compounds the horror visited on American family farms by the reinstatement of the estate tax which makes it almost impossible to keep a family farm together. A estate tax that was touted as part of some supposedly win for the Republicans. IMO, they won nothing, they just rolled over and let the Democrats defeat them at every turn of the sorriest lame duck session in the history of American Congresses.

The American consumer will have no choices left, all choices will be made by Obama appointed bureaucrats. This is insane.

Captain Hate

the US Senate with the consent of every Senator (meaning there is not a single US Senator who gives a hoot about any American family farmer)

Every Repuke Senator up for reelection in '12 needs to have a primary opponent. Not one exception.

MayBee

Barack's sister is no skinny minny. I wonder if she feels awkward around Michelle during the holidays. I note she is rarely photographed near her brother, the President of the United States.

MayBee

Althouse has a great take on this.
I love TM, but I suspect he didn't know about Michelle's big legislative "victory".

Jack is Back!

Who dies more from what? Smoking or eating? No contest. Because you have to show it was the obesity caused by the wrong foods of dietary habits - not the metabolism, lack of exercise, lifestyle, genetics. Yet, here we have a POTUS (and a new Speaker of the House) who still smoke cigarettes - and don't tell me they don't inhale. If you really want to pick a public health issue that is important to kids in the future I'd go with smoking over childhood obesity. BMI is a double edged sword. Look at muscular football, basketball and even baseball players - their BMI is a result of muscle mass, yet they could very likely get refused life insurance if that was what was being used by the actuaries. Body fat as a percentage of weight is much more accurate as well as waistline fat versus muscularity. Who wants to be the first person to call Albert Haynesworth "Fatso"?

Rob Crawford

Amazing how many people are willing to bring government power to bear because they don't like looking at overweight people.

sbw

This ain't about BMI; it's about control. centralized control is misplaced and self-control isn't government's to impose.

Besides, if Mo has to, ahem, weigh in on the subject, it must be because the educationists who control the curriculum failed. instead, let's free up the schools so that gym is not longer writing and testing directed, so that students aren't sitting around regurgitating irrelevant facts, and so that Washington is not the center of the indoctrinating world.

Broccoli by government mandate is not the answer; self-directed moderation in whatever you choose to eat, is. And you don't have to listen to broccoli lectures to learn that, nor must you be forced to face a lunch line of green things.

I'm for Sarah on this one. TM, I think a re-evaluation of your position is in order.

Rob Crawford

Broccoli by government mandate is not the answer...

Of course not. It's impossible to mandate the execution of specific behavior. Much easier to ban -- look at Bloomberg, et. al.

Susan

Michelle has just taken out one of Obama's presidential opponents-the law means the Fat Man Chris Christie from Obese New Jersey is ipso fatso out of the game.

Can't have an Obese President representing Obama's perfection.


No worries, now that come Jan 2, 2011 the EPA will unnecessarily increase the cost of energy Obese North-eastern corridor will freeze to death. Welcome Little Ice Age-your presence will bring big relief to so many Mass-like-useful idiots)

Susan

By the by; Mass-idiot-blathering-usefully-stupid Barney Frank is OBESE FAT.

How humilitating is he to Michelle Obama Obese Police.

Hey Mass-idiots, please continue stuffing the fat pigs you've voted into power; Michelle's humiliation is quite entertaining to the rest of US.

Porchlight

MayBee,

I don't get the impression that Maya's family and the Obamas are real close. They seem to see each other briefly when the Obamas are in Hawaii and that's about it.

Can't blame Maya, really.

Elliott

TM: Sarah Palin throws down

Throwing down the gauntlet tartlet...

Clarice

Heh, ELLIOTT! Did you make it home?

Army of Davids

Sarah gets this Tea Party guy's thumbs up.

But if Coburn or Christie run they get a thumbs way up. I prefer both those guys.

Huckabee and especailly RomneyCare I don't trust.

Also here Sarah does a little hunting on her new show. That has to go over well in lefty land.

Jane (get off the couch - come save the country)

It is my policy never to side with Michelle Obama.

I'm down with that pagar. I am so dreading this press conference of the moron touting his achievements. What the hell are the republicans doing? He got 190 Judges approved too?

Let's just give up.

Thomas Collins

Remind me how the Colonists achieved independence without government flyers giving nutrition advice, or public school sponsored multicultural rainbow programs. For that matter, how did we achieve independence without the Department of Education.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Really OT:

Afghan sex education:

As Congressional Democrats pushed for repeal of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell,"--clearing the way for gays to serve openly in the U.S. military--allied forces were encountering problems with homosexual conduct among members of the Afghan security forces.

...

A source at Army Special Operations command tells In From the Cold that Afghan women, emboldened by the presence of U.S. troops. have complained about beatings they've suffered at the hands of their husbands. The domestic violence reportedly stemmed from the inability of the women to become pregnant and produce sons, highly valued in Afghan society.

When U.S. civil affairs teams (and other special forces units) quietly investigated the problem, they quickly discovered a common denominator. Virtually all of the younger men who beat their wives (over their inability to become pregnant) had been former "apprentices" of older Afghan men, who used them for their sexual pleasure. Upon entering marriage, whatever the men knew of sex had been learned during their "apprenticeship," at the hands of the older man. To put it bluntly, some of the younger Afghans were unfamiliar with the desired (and required) mechanics for contraception.

To remedy this situation, the Army called in its psychological operations teams, which developed information campaigns in Pashtun areas, explaining the basics of heterosexual relations and their benefits, in terms of producing male offspring. It may be the only time in the history of warfare that an army has been required to explain sex to the native population, to curb the abuse of women and young boys--and retain U.S. influence in key geographic areas.

Thomas Collins

Before you give up, Jane, remember that it is groups such as the Sturbridge Tea Party that in effect croaked the bloated omnibus reconciliation porkulus spending bill.

Old Lurker

"Remind me how the Colonists achieved independence without government flyers giving nutrition advice, or public school sponsored multicultural rainbow programs."

Maybe the Federalist Papers made better reading, TC?

Extraneus

They could have filibustered everything that wasn't an emergency, and easily explained that by doing so they were obeying the will of the people who voted this Congress down on Nov. 2.

But noooo.

squaredance

START passed, 71 yea.

What suckers...wait who are the suckers?


Bye bye superpower USA.

Traitors one and all. Just 4 years of the Dems and off we go into the sunset.

Soon we will be not even be a peer power of Russia, and least in the air.


But we can "roll this back" right?

"optimize and common sense", right?

Amazing.

Why even have elections?

Porchlight

I have this feeling that McConnell traded everything to kill DREAM. That way Reid could tell the base he tried, and at the same time protect Dem Senators up in '12 from having to vote on it. And get his other crap passed.

It sucks, but DREAM was the one thing I was most worried about.

Appalled

Porchlight:

You may have noticed that the omnibus spending bill also did not pass.

I think there is a bit too much gnashing of teeth, here. The bills that passed were a compromise, and two bills that were far from central to the Tea Party's assault on Washington.

 centralcal

Porch - don't agree with you on McConnell. We have too many worthless idiots on our side - the Main twins, Murkowski, Brown, Lugar - and they aren't going to listen, even if McConnell is trying to keep them in line (which I doubt).

I am glad about the no-go on DREAM, too. But, it will be back. And, hopefully, after the Christmas distractions are over for the majority of the Tea Party, we will also be back - applying pressure like never before.

DavidL

FLOTUS, Fat Lady of the United States, Michelle Obama, wants to raise the nation's awareness of bbesity while being unaware of her own. No sale, Mrs. O!

Porchlight

Thanks, Appalled - yes, the omnibus too. No omnibus plus no DREAM plus tax cut extensions for all, in exchange for the rest of it.

There had to be some dealmaking going on. I think the chances were decent that DREAM wouldn't have passed anyway (b/c of nervous Dems) but it wouldn't have been wise to roll the dice in this environment given the magnitude of the consequences.

centralcal, I agree we have a lot of work to do.

Barbara

I am so angry about the passage of the START treaty, I want to scream. What was so important about this flawed agreement that couldn't have waited just 10 days for the new Congress to address? We gain nothing, and from what others have written, we lose a great deal.

Thirteen Republican Senators voted to ratify this flawed agreement, including three who will not return in the next term. They just spit in the eye of the electorate. There must be consequences for their actions.

WRT Sarah's smores comment, I loved her dig at Moochelle. Oh how I wish that we had more people like Sarah Palin. Enough said.

Clarice

Are you moaners and pissers really so dumb you figured that because you won seats in the Senate and a majority in the House you INSTANTLY took control of this juggernaut? Honest to goodness. Even Wm Jacobson who was in the original pissing and whining brigade has acknowledged reality. I'm with those who think killing the Omnibus and DREAM acts and getting the tax cuts extended was momentous under the circmstances.

Save your energy for the swearing in of the newly elected Senators and Reps.

Extraneus

Thought you were going to say "swearing at."

narciso

It's a clarifying moment, about what needs to be done, horsetrading the Omnibus and the DREAM act for DADT and START seems a fair trade


the Sun Unsensible down here, had a big piece about how Scott didn't have his act together yesterday, today down the memory hole. as his
entire team was announced

Barbara

I guess that I am that dumb, Clarice, because I had hoped that the voice of the electorate was strong enough to be heard at the very least by the fence sitters in the Republican party. The ratification of this treaty should not have been rushed in the last few days of this Congress. It must be said.

 centralcal

Barbara - for another look at the wheeling and dealing re: START there is this link: There was no GOP "collapse".

The myth of a "collapse" was created by the fact that almost no Republican senators would reveal their positions on New START until the final vote was imminent, except for supporter Sen. Richard Lugar (R-IN). The seemingly unified GOP stance on the treaty for most of the autumn and the decision to totally defer to Kyl was a negotiating strategy -- one that actually paid off in the end, to the tune of $84 billion dollars, which the Obama administration promised for nuclear modernization. That's a relative victory, even though many will call the treaty's ratification a defeat for the GOP.
Clarice

Some of the remaining Senator are from states where the electorate is lot less focused on cutting govt and other conservative issues, and I think they decided they needed to give those voters something by voting for these things

Remember the song from "Best Little Whorehouse in Texas" reflects the way most pols act and probably will ever until we have paradise on earth

Fellow Texans, I am proudly standing here to humbly see. I assure you, and I mean it- Now, who says I don't speak out as plain as day? And, fellow Texans, I'm for progress and the flag- long may it fly. I'm a poor boy, come to greatness. So, it follows that I cannot tell a lie.

Ooh I love to dance a little sidestep, now they see me now they don't-
I've come and gone and, ooh I love to sweep around the wide step,
cut a little swathe and lead the people on.

Now my good friends, it behooves me to be solemn and declare,
I'm for goodness and for profit and for living clean and saying daily prayer.
And now, my good friends, you can sleep nights, I'll continue to stand tall.
You can trust me, for I promise, I shall keep a watchful eye upon ya'll...

Ooh I love to dance a little sidestep, now they see me now they don't-
I've come and gone and, ooh I love to sweep around the wide step,
cut a little swathe and lead the people on.

Now, Miss Mona, I don't know her, though I've heard the name, oh yes.
But, of course I've no close contact, so what she is doing I can only guess.
And now, Miss Mona, she's a blemish on the face of that good town.
I am taking certain steps here, someone somewhere's gonna have to close her down.

Ooh I love to dance a little sidestep, now they see me now they don't-
I've come and gone and, ooh I love to sweep around the wide step,
cut a little swathe and lead the people on.

Ooh I love to dance a little sidestep...

And, ooh I love to sweep around the wide step...

Cut a little swathe and lead the people on.


jimmyk

Are you moaners and pissers really so dumb you figured that because you won seats in the Senate and a majority in the House you INSTANTLY took control of this juggernaut?

I think Republicans should have pulled out all the stops to prevent anything as momentous as a treaty from being ratified in a lame duck session after an election in which the clear message was that the current Congress no longer accurately reflects the views of the voters. Even those Reps who support the treaty should have, as a matter of principle, said that this should await the new Congress.

Did I figure we instantly took control? No, but I hoped that at least 34 Republican senators (not to mention a few Democrats) might have had some qualms about forging ahead with the ratification in this lame duck session. If that's dumb, so be it.

I agree that the tax compromise might have been as much as we could hope for. That can be remedied in the next Congress. The treaty, as far as I know, is basically irrevocable.

RichatUF

centralcal-

...the Obama administration promised...

All of his promises have a expiration date. That one will expire December 23. Passing START was a defeat for the US, not just the GOP.

 centralcal

Oh, RichatUF, I am well aware of Obama's promise expiration dates. You notice, I posted the above without comment.

It is always interesting to see what goes on "behind the scenes," since so much of what we see on stage is farce.

RichatUF

The treaty and it has a seven year compliance window and expires after 10 years. The verification part seems extreme. But anyway, the Russians have violated every treaty they have signed and have been one of the world's worst weapons proliferators. Why should we expect anything different this time? If we want to cut and reconfigure our nuclear arsernal, why do we need a permission slip from the Russians? And why in the hell are we sending them money to "secure" their arsenal and paying them to send up our astronauts.

glasater

I think there is a bit too much gnashing of teeth, here. The bills that passed were a compromise

Following Appalled's above comment -- I've read elsewhere that the bills that passed were relatively popular with the "muddle".
This is no time to be rocking the boat/vote.

Years ago when the inmates were virtually running the state penitentiary here in our county we got a new superintendent who gradually starting taking away liberties. If he'd started out with strong mandates from the get-go there would have been massive chaos and worse.
That's the way I'm hoping the new Congress will operate with this Yay-Hoo occupying the WH.

Melinda Romanoff

Alaska Supreme Court rules against Joe.

cathyf
To put it bluntly, some of the younger Afghans were unfamiliar with the desired (and required) mechanics for contraception.
Did everyone else get a chuckle over the conception/contraception typo?
Barbara
"...and why in the hell are we sending them money to 'secure' their arsenal"

That's been Lugar's pet project. BTW, I've heard that the "arsenal" does not include the Russian's sizable cache of suitcase nukes. A bit naive, but then so is Lugar

Ignatz

I haven't had time to study this START thing. Anybody have a relatively cant free, synopsis of why it's bad, assuming it is, or a link to one?
Extra credit for a dirth of Spongebob squaredance rhetorical flourishes.

Rick Ballard

In two weeks the 112th begins the reversal process. Think of all the oligarchs who will not be stinking up the halls of the 112th - and all the oligarchs who will join them in '12.

The lame duck provides clear evidence of the necessity of keeping lists - and exacting the correct price. There is no reason for Lugar and Collins not to join Bennett and Specter and Feingold and Voinovich in the has been club.

Porchlight

OT,

For those of you who - forgive the expression - celebrate Christmas, may I recommend our local classical station's annual Festival of Carols. It is absolutely superb and lasts through Christmas Day.

www.kmfa.org

No NPR - it's listener-supported and all classical (thank goodness).

Porchlight

P.S. re: the above station - though I'm sure they are lefty to a person, the announcers use the word "Christmas" all the time on air. IOW when they are playing carol after carol about the birth of Christ, they don't pretend they're celebrating some mysterious unnamed secular "holiday." One woman even said something about hoping listeners were all done with our Christmas shopping and that we were ready to relax and enjoy Christmas on Saturday. Refreshing.

 centralcal

Thanks for the link, Porchlight. Listening right now.

Porchlight

Welcome, centralcal! Hope you enjoy it as much as I do.

MayBee

clarice:I'm with those who think killing the Omnibus and DREAM acts and getting the tax cuts extended was momentous under the circmstances.

Amen, sister.

RichatUF

Ignatz-

Heritage primer on New START. They look at it from the restrictions on missile defense in that short blurb. The State Department copy, only 17 pages long (I could think better if I were paid). In re: Barbara's comment, it appears that tactical nukes are not part of the agreement and that launch platforms are sub and bomber. Verification seems to be punitive and a one way street.

ROA

Look on the bright side of the new school food bill. If Congress finally discovers corn based ethanol makes no sense, they can mandate that corn be the primary food used in all school meals. Who could object to that?

Captain Hate

The lame duck provides clear evidence of the necessity of keeping lists - and exacting the correct price. There is no reason for Lugar and Collins not to join Bennett and Specter and Feingold and Voinovich in the has been club.

I hope they're not the only scalps to be gathered in 2 years. Lamar Alexander is another loose cannon who is as likely to fire at conservatives as progs. Any time Miss Lindsey is complaining about defectors to the commiecrats means it's time to severely cull the herd of worthless geldings and nags.

RichatUF

CPT. Hate-

Miss Lidnesy may have other problems soon.

Melinda Romanoff

Cap'n-

That would be a Glue Party.

Pagar

"one that actually paid off in the end, to the tune of $84 billion dollars, which the Obama administration promised for nuclear modernization."

Does any one really believe this is going to happen? I don't believe there is any chance.

Barbara

Porchlight,

What beautiful music! Thank you so much for the link.

Porchlight

You're welcome Barbara! Glad you like it.

Clarice

If START has inadequate verification procedures and we have reason to believe the Soviets are violating the treaty, are you under the impression that a Republican Congress is powerless to declare it null and void?

Do you suppose the Congress has to keep appropriating funds for compliance when they have evidence of non compliance at the other end? You may be right but I don't think so though I can't immediately find precedent for my view.

(In researching this, I came across this interesting tidbit:


The question of constitutionality of expenditures under the Taxing Clause, for the common defense and general welfare, was discussed by the famous Justice Joseph Story--a long-time member of the United States Supreme Court (1811-1845)--in his celebrated Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States (1833), where he stated in this connection (Section 919):

"A power to lay taxes for any purposes whatsoever is a general power; a power to lay taxes for certain specified purposes is a limited power. A power to lay taxes for the common defence and general welfare of the United States is not in common sense a general power. It is limited to those objects. It cannot constitutionally transcend them. If the defence proposed by a tax be not the common defence of the United States, if the welfare be not general, but special, or local, as contradistinguished from national, it is not within the scope of the constitution. If the tax be not proposed for the common defence, or general welfare, but for other objects, wholly extraneous, (as for instance, for propagating Mahometanism among the Turks, or giving aids and subsidies to a foreign nation, to build palaces for its kings, or erect monuments to its heroes,) it would be wholly indefensible upon constitutional principles. The power, then, is, under such circumstances, necessarily a qualified power." )

Pagar

"Even Wm Jacobson who was in the original pissing and whining brigade has acknowledged reality."

Reality is that all the Republicans had to do was vote no on the Lame Duck issues. Now on every issue where the Republicans caved in, the Democrats can claim they had bi-partisan
support. What are Republicans supposed to say about that? I don't expect a single repeal of anything that the Senate passed during this lame duck session. I don't see any way it can be done. The Republicans will still be in the minority, Obama is not going to sign it even if a couple of the Democrats broke ranks and voted with the Republicans.

Now I see Wm Jacobson is promoting the Democrat idea of changing the filibuster rules, which means the Republicans are about to get rolled once again.

Clarice

No, he's saying the Dems are likely to lose the Senate and are stupid to make this proposal.

McConnell simply doesn't really control who the Republican voters send to the Senate. Vote in a Voinovich or Lugar or Collins and he can do very little to get them to hew the line. That's just the way it is pagar.
Still even with all the weak sisters who will be out in Jan and those who remain not a single Rep voted for Obamacare, making the entire P.O.S. a Dem disaster. And they held together for the extension of the tax cuts and the defeat of the Omnibus. McConnell did an excellent job.

Porchlight

Oops, I apologize - the above mentioned carol festival on KMFA runs from 6 am - 6 pm only. Right now they're doing their regular Wednesday evening programming, some of which may be Christmas-oriented, but no guarantee.

Janet

Here is Michele Bachmann's take on the end of the 111th Congress.

I feel that 9/11 Health & Compensation act was a waste too. Bachmann is one of my favorites.

Jane (get off the couch - come save the country)

Reality is that all the Republicans had to do was vote no on the Lame Duck issues.

And in the next breath say they owed it to the people to respect what they said on election day. It would be a winning strategy.

Throw the bums out!

RichatUF

http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/richatuf/Drawing55-1.jpg.

Does this work?

RichatUF

I guess it didn't.

Clarice

Well, I guess you'll have to vote against Scott. Who's running against him. Or you go move to Maine and vote when the two sisters come up for re election.

Charlie (Colorado)

You know, it's funny. if I understood the Preznit's speech today. he's just had a supremely productive lame-duck session during which many Important Things Were Done despite the Republican's best efforts, following the most productive regular session ever even thought the Republicans did nothing but say no and prevent any progress being made.

Ignatz

Thanks very much for that Heritage link on START, Rich.

Clarice

Very good, Chaco. Still it was a masterpiece compared to Specter's opus-and, remember, Specter for years was the Republican's lead guy on the judiciary, the brains of the outfit as it were..

Melinda Romanoff

Clarice-

Specter taught Schumer everything he knows, Biden, however, lost his class notes.

Jack is Back!

What a bunch of wimps the loyal opposition has turned out to be. Elections only have consequences if the donks win. To allow a lame duck session to achieve so much that the electorate seemed to reject in the last mid-term is aburb politics but it fits the Obama agenda of reducing us to the level of a Greek styled Venezuela with a Mexican feel to it.

Clarice

Heh. . Soylent and I are trying to figure out how to get my grand daughter in the next race because we are certain she could out debate Biden.

 Ann

Janet:

I like Michele Bachmann too.

Maybe she should start an "Audacious Duck" session where the house rescinds everything Pelosi helped cram down our throats.

She could announce it on the Capitol steps holding a gavel sawed off shotgun. :)

Pagar

"do very little to get them to hew the line"

The S 510 bill was supposedly defeated, than sprung back to life and passage. Time and time again we've seen This.

"Sunday evening around 11:30 pm, the U.S. Senate slapped the so-called Food Safety Modernization Act (S.510) as an amendment onto the "Consumer Assistance to Recycle and Save Act" (H.R.2751), passed it by unanimous consent, without a vote"

McConnell didn't hold the line, he didn't even draw a line for people to go to. If that was a football team, that team would be be laughed out of the history books. If it was a military battle every single man that was supposed to hold that line would be courtmartialed. In the US Senate, with Republicans on duty, it is just business as usual.

"The politicians have done what they do best -- stab their own constituents in the back when there is the least amount of light shining on the political process."

No Senator will suffer anything from this,but millions of American consumers will. The Sunday night vote was fraud, pure and simple. Senators should be going to jail over this fraud.

Melinda Romanoff

Nothing against your grand-daughter, but Biden would have a tought time against my proposed candidate, Mr. Stokely.

narciso

"Audacious Duck", that really hits the spot Ann, In the local library, there was a Witcover bio of Biden, cue the joke about any
forests unneccesarily perishing,

Clarice

McConnell is not the owner of the team. He is not the coach who gets to bench non performing players. He is a man selected by the players to perform a very limited role. They can elect to replace him. He cannot replace them.

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