House Dems In Revolt

The House Deocratic caucus passed a non-binding resoluton exhorting Nancy Pelosi not to bring up Obama's tax compromise:

"Wow did the [White House] mishandle this," a senior House Democratic Source told CNN. "Breathtaking. Members have major substantive concerns and they should have gently guided people to the finish line."

Rep. Peter DeFazio of Oregon said: "They said take it or leave it. We left it."

Not reported here - was there a separate vote for the caucus that will be seated in 2011? I imagine that subset would also have passed this resolution, since the safe-seat Dems survived the 2010 washout while modeates were carried away.

Comments

[Rob Crawford]

House Dems are revolting?!

You can say that again, they stink on ice!

[Thomas Collins]

This is posturing for special goodies. The lobbyists will be earning their money over the next few days.

[Cecil Turner]

P p p p perrrfect! I can't think of a better solution than having the lame duck go out without passing anything . . . and then having the GOP-led House in the 112th proffer a bill with less spending.

[Porchlight]

Cecil,

It would be great, but I'm worried about the DREAM Act. They have some deal up their sleeve. I think they might be able to get the votes together to pass the House bill after they cave on the tax cut extensions.

[MarkO]

Maybe being treated like a dog, at least like my dog, will be an improvement.

[Clarice]

I agree, cecil though it's possible this is just posturing for the base I'm hoping they really are this stupid..

[Captain Hate]

Does Jane have Scott Brown fearing for his life (political or otherwise) if he doesn't vote thumbs-down on the DREAM act?

[NK]

Bi-Partisan agreement-- BarryO is an incompetent git.

Cecil T-- I think I agree with you. First act of the New Repub House is tax cuts-- and they will be cuts in January if the lame duck House Dems screw the pooch here and shut down the tax deal. Second, is slow and sure budget that cuts spending. Both will be popular with voters, and make BarryO and Harry miserable.

[Neo]

Shall we pass the mantle of "NO" ?

[NK]

Porchlight-- this is the acid test for McConnell. The moronic Maine girls and Scott Browqn have a lot less importance in January when they are not vital for a filibuster. Can McConnel keep them in line for Dream Act and DADT?

[Neo]

I suppose you could consider this as a case of the House Democrats doing a bit of "triangluation." Obama certainly tried it and failed (but he is know for "EPIC FAIL").

[Jane (sit on the couch or save your country)]

Does Jane have Scott Brown fearing for his life (political or otherwise) if he doesn't vote thumbs-down on the DREAM act?

I don't think I need to since he signed the filibuster pledge.

If the dems add one dime to the bill the repububs should say "no".

[Cecil Turner]

. . . I'm worried about the DREAM Act.

I'm somewhat concerned, but starting to feel a little better about it:

Facing GOP objections, Democrats put aside the so-called Dream Act and said they'd try again to advance it before year's end. They're short of the 60 votes needed to do so, however, and critics in both parties quickly said they won't change their minds in the waning days of the Democratic-controlled Congress.

[NK]

Neo--
good point, BarryO is not a sharp operator when it comes to triangulation. He is now the victim of triangulation Ju-Jitsu. He's certainly no Bill Clinton.

[DebinNC]

Now the blue dogs are getting in on the "hostage taker" action...hehe

“A clear majority of the U.S. House of Representatives supports this plan,” [OK Rep. Dan] Boren said in a statement. “We are allowing the liberal wing of the Democratic caucus to hold these critically needed tax cuts hostage.”

[Jack is Back!]

I just placed an order for 1,000 shares in Orville Redenbacher.

[Gmax]

DADT fails to get cloture 57-40.

[Gmax]

BTW the "nonbinding" resoution was also a voice vote behind closed doors, and of course it will be ignored once the Chicago machine trained politicians in the WH invite San Fran Nan for a little star chamber discussion.

The minority leader in the House has no real power, as 218 votes passes everything in the House, so she is especially dependent on her home State Senators and the administration for any of her pet projects and to get spending in her district. I am guess the discussion will be in diplomatic lingo "frank".

Something along the lines of the IED you just set will go off under my reelection vehicle. Fix it or else...

[Stephanie]

Dream Act Down... DADT Down.

And this is delicious...

"A clear majority of the U.S. House of Representatives supports this plan," Boren said in a statement. "We are allowing the liberal wing of the Democratic caucus to hold these critically needed tax cuts hostage."

Democratic leaders, he added, "are either not listening to what the voters are saying, or they are not interested in doing what is best for the American economy."

Posted over at Ace's.

[centralcal]

Susan Collins continues to show how worthless she is. Wags finger at dingy Harry and then votes with him.

[I R A Darth Aggie]

And they'll be revolting for the next two years...

[bgates]

they'd try again to advance it before year's end

When exactly will our long national nightmare, aka the 111th Congress, come to a close?

[Rick Ballard]

"President Obama warned his fellow Democrats on Wednesday that they risk plunging the country into a double-dip recession if they reject his tax-cut deal with Republicans."

So if the GOP reverts to 'just say no' to any Dem proposals for amendment, the onus for any negative outcome falls upon the Democratic Party - per the President.

I have a question. Which reads better - 'futile stupidity' or 'stupid futility'?

[Rick Ballard]

"President Obama warned his fellow Democrats on Wednesday that they risk plunging the country into a double-dip recession if they reject his tax-cut deal with Republicans."

So if the GOP reverts to 'just say no' to any Dem proposals for amendment, the onus for any negative outcome falls upon the Democratic Party - per the President.

I have a question. Which reads better - 'futile stupidity' or 'stupid futility'?

[Clarice]

say both fast a couple of times, Rick..I think the latter is easier to pronounce.

[Taser M]

Sarah Palin would say: "fupidity." Or is it "tutility"?

[NK]

centralcal--
susan collins is a MORON, there is no other explanation. She is low double digit IQ.

[Taser M]

make that "stutility"

[Clarice]

actually, Taser, it's Obama who stumbles on ordinary use words--you know like" corpse man" and superfluous.

[centralcal]

NK - my "worthless" and your "moron" work nicely together to perfectly describe her.

[Chubby]

Sharpe's Rifles is another excellent historical series.

[Jane the hostage taker]

The latter Rick.

Not one dime or the bill goes down to defeat. And frankly we are better off to wait until January. Cut some democrat bullshit program to cover the extra cost.

[daveinboca]

Collins is almost closer to a single digit IQ than to a triple digit, making her on a par with the Australian Aborigines' tested-out average of 51. She speaks slowly so she can hear what she's saying, but I doubt she understands what she's doing. Dumber than a bucket of hair, as they say in Lone Star territory.

[NK]

I like Sharpe's Rifles. Excellent acting and settings, covering a part of the Napoleanic Wars Americans know virtually nothing about.

[Chubby]

and how can we forget oar-ee-on?

[Chubby]

When I first saw the headline on Drudge the first person I thought of was Melinda Romanoff, the lone voice in the wilderness that warned not to count chickens before hatched.

[NK]

Daveinboca-- wow, that's harsh Collins stuff, harsh but hilarious.

[Janet]

Sharpe's Rifles is another excellent historical series.

I love Richard Sharpe!
♪ ♫
When evil stalks upon the land
I'll neither hold, nor stay me hand
But fight to win a better day
Over the hills & far away.

[DebinNC]

Reading what the Pelosi Dems intend to do to the tax deal in "Meltdown 2" in this HH link sounds very much like their last minute, behind closed doors jam down that gave us ObamaCare. I hope "demon pass" isn't in the works, and whatever monstrosity emerges dies in the Senate.. as the excellent comment at the end of the link suggests.

[Thomas Collins]

Daveinboca noted:

"Collins is almost closer to a single digit IQ than to a triple digit."

Have you been speaking with my family, daveinboca? Sounds familiar!

[Janet]

Here's a great YouTube of Over the Hills & Far Away. H/T Freepers!

[Chubby]

Janet,

If God gave me a choice between Richard Sharpe and Sean Bean I'd take Richard Sharpe :)

[Chubby]

great video Janet! goosebumps

[RichatUF]

"It was just expressing frustration from a very frustrated Member." — Rep.Shelley Berkley (D-NV), [characterizing] the remarks of a fellow Democratic lawmaker who said " Fuck the president " during a Caucus meeting concerning the tax Compromise.

Whoa.

[Supply-Siders have won]

Maybe the rich just don't need us anymore

by: Ted Frier

In an essay last July that asked the provocative question: "have the American people outlived their usefulness to the rich?" one-time William F. Buckley protégé Michael Lind may have put his finger on why today's Republicans can so unashamedly insist on billions for the wealthy while guiltlessly threatening to cut off any help at all for Americans who are out of work.

Time was, says Lind, when the rich and everyone else co-existed according to an ancient and honored social contract: "In return for receiving a disproportionate amount of the gains from economic growth in a capitalist economy, the rich paid a disproportionate percentage of the taxes needed for public goods and a safety net for the majority."

The economic elite needed ordinary people to consume the products put out by the factories the rich invested in. The upper class also needed commoners to be foot soldiers to fight its wars against "totalitarian empires that would have created a world order hostile to a market economy."

But globalization has eliminated the first reason for the rich to support this bargain, says Lind, while the emergence of quasi-public mercenary armies like Blackwater has undermined the second.

"And this marks a historic change in the relationship between capital and labor in the US," Lind insists.

Even the robber barons of the Gilded Age generally recognized the necessity of a rapprochement with labor, says Lind, because the rich lived near the working classes, depended on the domestic American market for their fortunes and were always generally alert to labor strikes and the prospect of revolution should their exploitation of the masses get out of hand.

But this is no longer the case. "Many of the highest-paid individuals on Wall Street have grown rich through activities that have little or no connection with the American economy," writes Lind. "They can flourish even if the US declines, as long as they can tap into growth in other regions of the world."

This is the central argument against supply-side wizardry and extending tax cuts for the rich.

Elites can make money from factories in China by selling to consumers in India, says Lind "while relying entirely on immigrant servants at one of several homes around the country." Between the profits they can earn from overseas factories in countries policed by brutal autocracies, and factories in the US manned by non-voting immigrant labor, "the only thing missing is a non-voting immigrant mercenary army whose legions can be deployed in foreign wars without creating grieving parents, widows and children who vote in American elections." That, maybe in part, is what the Dream Act is about.

There was a time when rich and poor alike subscribed to the promise that a rising tide raises all boats. But American investors and corporate managers no longer need the rest of America to prosper, says Lind, since "they can enjoy their stream of profits from factories in China while shutting down factories in the US." And if Chinese workers have the impertinence to demand higher wages, says Lind, American corporations can find low-wage labor elsewhere.

It may be true that the rich are invested in foreign corporations that do most of their business in the US Market. But this too is changing.

"American consumers are tapped out," says Lind, "and as long as they are paying down their debts from the bubble years, private household demand for goods and services will grow slowly at best in the United States. In the long run, the fastest-growing consumer markets, like the fastest-growing labor markets, may be found in China, India and other developing countries."

The point is, says Lind: If the rich do not depend for their wealth - or even their security -- on American workers, consumers and soldiers "then it is hardly surprising that so many of them should be so hostile to paying taxes to support the infrastructure and the social programs that help the majority of the American people. The rich don't need the rest anymore."

[Chubby]

the knives are out for him

[Captain Hate]

I'll put Susan Collins's IQ in the proper perspective: It's significantly lower than Murscruntski's. Kudos to Princess Leena, at least today, for voting against the repeal of DADT.

[Rick Ballard]

Rich,

I think the guy picked it up from the Chinese and Indians and Russians and Iranians and North Koreans and Israelis and French and Germans and Brits and ... well, it's pretty common phrasing on an international basis. The Democrats have always been drawn to foreign ideas.

[Clarice]

That's what happens when you no longer have to fear a naked Rahm berating you in the House locker room.

[Chubby]

lol Rick

[Melinda Romanoff]

Wow.

So the emergence of the middle class gets Liquid Papered right out of history.

Just jaw-droppingly, incurious and arrogant.

Another example of the Salma Hayek School of Economics.

Wow.

[RichatUF]

Rick-

Ha. Everyone talks about him like a dog. Can't say that I'm surprised though.

[Melinda Romanoff]

Rick-

Heh!

[narciso]

You saw that Captn, she stiffed Reid, too, after flirting with voting for it, she Kerreyed him,

[Melinda Romanoff]

O/T, Rick-

Did you catch these NSA #'s?

[Chubby]

thank for for that Melinda!

isn't it Republicans who supposedly don't do nuance well?

[Its' all good]

Is there nothing sacred. Time to stop these
Weathermen.

""This is a shocking invasion of the governor's privacy and a violation of law," McCain-Palin Campaign Manager Rick Davis said in a statement Wednesday evening. "The matter has been turned over to the appropriate authorities and we hope that anyone in possession of these emails will destroy them."

Some activists have claimed Palin and her administration use the Yahoo accounts to try to avoid freedom of information laws requiring messages from government e-mail accounts to be placed into public record. Palin's staff told the Anchorage Daily News she does use the account for political business but insists she's not doing anything out of line.

It seems this just isn't the week for the Republican ticket when it comes to technology. Palin's debacle follows an attention-grabbing comment by one of John McCain's senior staffers during a media event Monday. Senior Policy Advisor Douglas Holtz-Eakin held his BlackBerry up to a group of reporters in Miami and said:

"He did this. The premier innovation in the past 15 years comes right from the commerce committee. So, you're looking at the miracle that John McCain helped create."

[Porchlight]

Unidentified Dem House member says "F--- the President" on the House floor

White House: Obama Fighting Urge To Smoke

Weasel-worder-in-chief:

"I have not seen or witnessed evidence of him smoking in probably nine months," Gibbs told reporters.

I might have to break out another bottle of the good Burgundy. What a week.

[Melinda Romanoff]

Yes they do, but my grain shovel is in the garage while I'm in bed nursing a fever, so it's kind of tough to get rid of the fluff in any noticeable volume.

[Wickerman]

"Arguments over stolen diplomatic cables posted online by WikiLeaks have spawned a multi-front battle that has spilled off the web and onto the streets, leading to physical protests and even arrests around the globe.

Online retailer Amazon and financial firm Paypal were the latest cyber attack targets Thursday, as hackers pledged their support for WikiLeaks. The site has been under intense pressure since it began publishing some 250,000 secret U.S. diplomatic cables, with attacks on its websites and threats against its founder, Julian Assange, who is now in a British jail fighting extradition to Sweden on sex crime allegations.

"Anonymous," a group who claimed responsibility for attacks on MasterCard, PayPal and Visa, announced the move on Twitter, writing, "Target: www.amazon.com locked on!!!" It also gave a link to instructions on how to attack the website. The group quickly switched its target to PayPal shortly thereafter; an anonymous person claiming to represent the group told tech news site Mashable, "We have a hive of nearly 5,000 users right now."

The U.N.'s top human rights official raised the alarm over officials' and corporations' moves to cut off WikiLeaks' funding and starve it of server space -- something she described as a "potentially violating WikiLeaks' right to freedom of expression."

Navi Pillay also expressed surprise at the scale of the online attacks that have targeted major American financial players -- in some cases denying access to their websites for hours at a time.
"It's truly what media would call a cyber-war. It's just astonishing what is happening," Pillay told reporters in Geneva."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/12/09/wikileaks-supporters-launch-cyber-attack-amazon/#ixzz17f3l3wNN

[Threadkiller]

Good thing Obama is a genius with all things technological.

"That last bit might be true. After Brown presented Obama with a pen holder crafted from the timbers of the 19th century British warship HMS President (whose sister ship, HMS Resolute, provided the wood for the Oval Office's desk), Obama offered up ... 25 DVDs of American movie classics. "Oh, give me strength," wrote one appalled Daily Telegraph staffer. "We do have television and DVD stores on this side of the Atlantic." Never mind that Brown is blind in one eye and may have a hard time seeing the stars in "2001: A Space Odyssey," or that American DVDs are usually incompatible with British players."

And

At a graduation commencement ceremony today at Hampton University in Virginia, U.S. President Barack Obama stated the following: "With iPods and iPads and Xboxes and PlayStations, -- none of which I know how to work”

[Wickerman]

Maguire;

Here is an opinion. C'mon emerge from that hedgehog hole you hide in. Give us some love.

"In our world today, forming a foundation of strong ethical and moral values is a painful process of staying informed and active in the fight for a more just world.

To do this, many cling to the hope that a nationally televised news station will provide us with the necessary information to create logical ideologies.

Unfortunately, with the growing popularity of watered-down, highly emotional "news" shows, interest groups constantly manipulate our responses to the information we receive.

We were given an early warning of the control informational systems implement; a warning in the form of Schoolhouse Rock's coined exclamation "Knowledge is Power!"

Even while we preach freedom and transparency, we are all subjugated to the powerful Google Government the Internet era has created.

In fact, as we are continually measured by demographic stereotypes and Internet searches, our government deems it less necessary to inform the general public out of misguided, paternalist instinct.

Consequently, we are left in the dark.

But, despite the powerful opposition we face in this strife, it isn't yet necessary to either expatriate or delve farther into societal latency.

Salvation from our ignorance may come in the form of WikiLeaks, the non-profit information distribution organization responsible for the publishing hundreds of thousands of classified government documents.

In the past year, WikiLeaks has released classified information concerning the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, as well as a video of American troops killing and wounding civilians in an air raid.

Two weeks ago, in a scandal dubbed as "Cablegate," 251,287 U.S. embassy cables were leaked on the website. According to WikiLeaks, "the cables show the extent of U.S. spying on its allies and the U.N.," along with "turning a blind eye to corruption and human rights abuse in ‘client states.'"

The government has vilified WikiLeaks' founder Julian Assange, and recently, Assange was arrested for charges in England and faces extradition to Sweden.

His extradition to the United States for espionage could be imminent.

Support of Assange and WikiLeaks could limit one's access to high-profile government jobs, but is necessary to limiting the power of the individuals who hold our lives in their hands.

By reading the information posted by WikiLeaks, we can gain a realistic account of our national actions, and we might also equip ourselves with the data to enact change in this "1984" landscape."

http://www.thebakerorange.com/opinion/wikileaks-provide-light-for-citizens-left-in-dark-1.2426136

[Threadkiller]

"I have not seen or witnessed evidence of him smoking in probably nine months," Gibbs told reporters."

Maybe he hides his cigs in the same place Clinton hid his cigars.

[Wickerman]

"Every one of us owes a debt to Julian Assange. Thanks to him, we now know that our governments are pursuing policies that place you and your family in considerably greater danger. Wikileaks has informed us they have secretly launched war on yet another Muslim country, sanctioned torture, kidnapped innocent people from the streets of free countries and intimidated the police into hushing it up, and covered up the killing of 15,000 civilians – five times the number killed on 9/11. Each one of these acts has increased the number of jihadis. We can only change these policies if we know about them – and Assange has given us the black-and-white proof.

Each of the wikileaks revelations has been carefully weighed to ensure there is a public interest in disclosing it. Of the more than 250,000 documents they hold, they have released fewer than 1000 – and each of those has had the names of informants, or any information that could place anyone at risk, removed. The information they have released covers areas where our governments are defying the will of their own citizens, and hiding the proof from them."

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/johann-hari-this-case-must-not-obscure-what-wikileaks-has-told-us-2154109.html

[Chubby]

Melinda, I didn't understand your comment about shovels and grain. etc., but if it was in response to mine about Republican nuance, my post was referring to the total lack of nuance in the post you trounced.

[Rick Ballard]

Mel,

Yes, I saw them. I'm afraid it's a prelude to what's coming in Q1. Top line increases are pathetic, margins continue to rely upon O/H and labor cuts and every manager has been handed his target for Q1 - pinks slips must follow.

Today's Z1 Report emphasized the Fed's success in ramping the markets but the $700 billion drop in housing value took a bit of the sparkle off the $1.86 trillion increase in financial assets (which is still $4.94 trillion below the 2007 high). We're still $9.3 trillion below the 2007 high in net worth and I believe we will have to recover about half that amount before we get to anything like "normal". 2-3 years.

[Wickerman]

" PALO ALTO — Arabs and Persians have been at each other's throats for as long as records have been kept. But earlier this year, they made a stab at reconciliation. Unfortunately, it didn’t go so well.

The two sides arranged so-called “solidarity games,” something like a regional Olympics. The idea was to encourage Islamic comity. But this unity began to fall apart months ahead of time, when the Arab states learned that Iran had inscribed “Persian Gulf” on all of the tournament’s logos and medals.

For 50 years, the Arab states have argued, to little effect, that the body of water is actually the Arabian Gulf. Still, Iran was deliberately rubbing this dispute in their faces. Not long after, Iranian air traffic controllers began insisting that civilian aircraft flying to Iran from the Arab world use "Persian Gulf" in plane-to-tower communications. Right after that, the Arab states abruptly cancelled the games and the two sides returned to business as usual: hating each other.

By and large, however, both sides have been hiding their loathing, disguising it behind the flowery language Arab and Persian leaders customarily offer in public discourse. For the Arab states, this was particularly true when it came to their concerns about Iran’s nuclear program. From their point of view, they had an excellent reason.

Which countries, after all, offer the loudest complaints about Iran and its obvious drive for a bomb? Israel and the United States. Which Arab leader wants to stand up and proclaim agreement with Jerusalem and Washington? In their world, wouldn’t that be tantamount to political suicide?

But now the Wikileaks disclosures have outed these Arab leaders. Yes, in fact, they fully agree with both Jerusalem and Washington. The leaked cables show that King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia repeatedly beseeched visiting American officials to “cut off the head of the snake!” King Hamad bin Isa Al Khalifa of Bahrain declared: “That program must be stopped.” He was, of course, referring to Iran’s pursuit of nuclear weapons. “The danger of letting it go on is greater than the danger of stopping it.”

The king is probably blushing right now. Just a few months ago, the ambassador to Washington from the United Arab Emirates (Bahrain’s neighbor and ally) openly declared his fervent agreement with the idea that the United States, or Israel, should bomb Iran’s nuclear facilities.

“Absolutely,” said the ambassador, Yousef al-Otaiba. “There will be consequences, there will be a backlash and there will be problems with people protesting and rioting and very unhappy that there is an outside force attacking a Muslim country.” But “if you are asking me, ‘Am I willing to live with that versus living with a nuclear Iran?’ my answer is still the same: We cannot live with a nuclear Iran. I am willing to absorb what takes place.”

Obviously the ambassador spoke the truth. But that didn’t matter. Almost immediately his country’s foreign minister asserted that his remarks were taken out of context, reported inaccurately. That was unconvincing then, and now we can see that the ambassador’s remarks were a perfect reflection of his state’s actual view.

Why does the Arab world so distrust, or fear, Iran? After all, if Iran does finally build a nuclear weapon, it seems quite unlikely that the Arab states would be a target. But if there’s a nuclear accident, the fallout would sweep over the Gulf states. Iran’s nuclear facilities are far closer to Saudi Arabia and the other Gulf states than to Tehran. What’s more, a large conflict would likely restrict the movement of oil tankers through the Persian Gulf.

But the Arab states see a larger problem. Hosni Mubarak, the Egyptian president vocalized it: “The Persians,” he once declared “are trying to devour the Arab states.” Egypt had long been considered the region’s leading state. Now that distinction seems to be shifting to Saudi Arabia. But if Iran became a nuclear power, the Arab leaders fear that the state’s bravado and swagger would give them tacit domain over that part of the world.

Iran has been trying to dismiss those fears. Last summer President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad offered his own bumbling attempt at reassurance. “Are they so afraid of two bombs?” he asked. The United States was estimating that Iran may once have had enough enriched nuclear fuel for two bombs. “There are 20,000 bombs stockpiled” in other countries, “and they are so afraid of the possibility of the existence of two bombs? This is really amazing.”

Obviously that reassured no one. So this time, after reading the WikiLeaks material, Iran’s foreign ministry called the disclosures a “suspicious plot” and urged the Arab states not to fall into this “trap.”

Unfortunately for Tehran, that trap has already snapped shut. It caught Iran.

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/worldview/101202/middle-east-wikileaks-iran

[Wickerman]

Here's an opinion you can cut your teeth on, Maguire;

"
The answer is obvious. -- The United States should move immediately and aggressively against WikiLeaks. And President Obama should take the following four steps:

1. Declare WikiLeaks a terrorist organization. Move to freeze its assets and have the Pentagon's new Cyber Command shut it down.

2. Shut the site down. The U.S. should urge fellow NATO ally Iceland (which hosts the WikiLeaks website) to shut it down, and suggest that if they do not do so immediately our relations will suffer. Ditto for any other country that steps up to host the website.

3. Get Assange's passport pulled. The president needs to get on the phone with the Australians (who are eagerly awaiting our call) and ask them to pull WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange’s passport. Once he’s cornered and can no longer travel, they can find him and charge him with espionage. Then the president can ask the country he’s hiding in to extradite him to the United States and try him in a military tribunal.

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4. Up the charges against Manning. We’ve had accused WikiLeaks leaker Army Specialist Pvt. Bradley Manning in custody since July. He's been charged with transferring classified data and “delivering national defense information to an unauthorized source." It's time to up the charges. Let's charge him and try him for treason. If he's found guilty, he should be executed.

Finally, if all else fails, every American should to go to WikiLeaks.org, hit the refresh button a couple dozen times and (sign up for crashing FOXNEWS.COM)

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/11/30/yes-wikileaks-terrorist-organization-time-act/#ixzz17f9f3BgR

[Jay]

that so many of them should be so hostile to paying taxes to support the infrastructure and the social programs that help the majority of the American people.

Um, "infrastructure spending" and "social programs" do not help a majority of the American people.

The idea that the government is some benevolent do-gooder is silly and obscene.

[Clarice]

Wickerman, summaries and links are sufficient--ENOUGH

[RichatUF]

fixed?

[Wickerman]

Those are summaries.

GFY

[Cleo]

The rich use this country just like my pusher uses me.

[Cleo]

Sometimes I have to pay my pusher in kind. Like the poor pay the rich in this country. At least I get a couple hours relief from the misery of being. The poor only get crap from Walmart.

[danishova]

"The House Deocratic caucus". Ha! Deocratic is a good word. It would have been even better when Obama was still The Messiah, before his fall from grace.

[Cleo]

The rich use this country like I do this site to try to get Maguire's attention.

[Captain Hate]

Hmmm, the socks are afoot.

[sbw]

Ah! Another troll fed into the narcisolator troll blocker!

[sbw]

Trolls remind me of that line of Esmeralda's shown in the silent version of "Hunchback of Notre Dame" where she asks the villain, "Is there so little evil in this world that you must create more?"

They give new meaning to the word "small".

[PDinDetroit]

As a parent, I see the Dems actions are just like the fits of children who have just had their favorite toy taken away (in this case, POWER). They stamp their feet, grumble about it, yell, cry, strike out, or blame a sibling in an attempt to get back what they want - anything but taking responsibility for what they did on their own. While this can make for great theater, it harms far more than it entertains.

At least in the US House, the Dems on are a 2 year "Time-Out" on the bench.

[narciso]

The Dems show a sophistication, only seen previously with Wile E Coyote and assorted
ACME products, funny how Krugman's recommendations didn't sway them this time.

[Jim Ryan]

the socks are afoot.

Snork! Too funny, Cap'n.

[DrJ]

PL,

I might have to break out another bottle of the good Burgundy. What a week.

I intend to do just that (but it will be a Zin) but for a different reason. I had a *great* week.

Saw hit on Tuesday -- what a great time. Got official notification yesterday from NSF on my award -- the initial payment arrives in a couple of weeks. Arranged for shipping a $50K instrument here that I bought on auction for $2.5K.

And the Dems a fighting. What a great week!

Lamb shanks and a Ridge or Seghesio Zin. Yum!

[Jane the hostage taker]

Congrats DrJ.

What is with all these long posts. I figure they are all anduril and never read any of them. So if you want to be read wickerman, grow up.

[Old Lurker]

Congrats on the NSF thing DrJ!

Lucky you to see Hit as well.

As to the Troll, what are they doing, tag-teaming us? The anti Semite all day and now this one?

[Porchlight]

Very nice, DrJ! Congratulations. That's so cool you and hit got together, too.

[narciso]

Yes LUning is your friend, I've of two minds on Wikileaks, many of the revelations on the Caucasus, Iran, Afghanistan, tend to validate
our view points, one of the latest concerns the Thunayan clan's style of entertaining, but
revealing so much clearly confidential information, clearly works against any effect
diplomatic intelligence or reporting in the future.

[macphisto]

at least the loony dude with the novel-length post about the Bay Area being shaped like the Antichrist and stuff was entertaining.

[DrJ]

Thanks Jane and OL!

The great thing about the NSF award is that they pay 2/3 of it upfront. NIH always pays in arrears, which is tough for a company with as little working capital as I have. Life will be much easier now.

On the trolls, it takes some nerve to tell Clarice to GFY. That's a great way to endear yourself to the regulars. Another poster to SOB.

[Jay]

fixed?

[Melinda Romanoff]

Well, the DU must be getting a bit monotonal for some of the residents.

PL-

Grain shovels are great for moving large quantities of dry and airy material.

Like those "airy" posts.

[Melinda Romanoff]

Many Congrats, DrJ!

[Melinda Romanoff]

Rick-

We stopped watching most of those Fed #'s years ago for a number of reasons. Always interesting though, just stopped being a market mover.

My two p.

[Charlie (Colorado)]

What we need is a caricature of Obama as the King from the Wizard of Id.

[Charlie (Colorado)]

but my grain shovel is in the garage while I'm in bed nursing a fever,

I'd rather be in bed fevering a nurse.

[Extraneus]

Hey, Ron Paul will be chairing the subcommittee overseeing the Fed. Heh. (I know the price just spiked today, but I might have to pick up some Orville Redenbacher shares myself.)

[Charlie (Colorado)]

Maybe he hides his cigs in the same place Clinton hid his cigars.

Don't think so -- last I heard, Monica lives in London..

[Clarice]

Bravo, Dr. J. When hit said he was meeting you and you hadn't posted, I got a bit verklempt--you know he has a reputation for drinking and working a chainsaw.

[daddy]

It's even worse for Obama than expected. He's not just losing the Left, the Independents and the Media, now he's losing the Adjectives.---Sarah's got "WITHERING"!!!

From the UK Telegraph, opening graph:

"Barack Obama was being assailed from all sides on Thursday night as his own party launched a rebellion in Congress and Sarah Palin ramped up her potential White House bid with a ">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/8192563/Barack-Obama-faces-Democrat-tax-rebellion-and-Sarah-Palins-verbal-barbs.html"> WITHERING verbal assault on the American president."

Will pronouns be next?

[DrJ]

Clarice, I did post a couple of things about my meeting with hit -- one quick, one a bit longer. Look at the end of the first topic from yesterday. (Yes, I got the joke.)