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January 30, 2011

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peter

He's pretty nasty to Michele Bachmann.

Jack is Back!

Isn't Panama one of the 57 states? The one where they speak perfect Panamanian.

Speaking of Egypt, is there any photos of The Won bowing to Mubarak?

Waiting for Clarice's Pieces before I have breakfast and read the papers.

Jack is Back!

Hey, Clarices Pieces are up and running. Running riot over Frances Fox Piven, thats who!

Now I have my breakfast.

clarice

From now on I'm calling him Chris Panama Canal Matthews.

narciso

Great pieces, Clarice, again, Matthews as I was hearing Beck, commenting about the protocol office. we're better off with a puppy, doing the commenting.

clarice

Thanks.

Extraneus

I linked this the other day, but if anyone hasn't seen Beck's epic defense of Michele Bachmann and takedown of Chrissie, here it is via HotAir:

Beck goes nuclear – blasts Chris Matthews over balloon-head comment on Michele Bachmann

Extraneus

Loved the Piven pile-on, Clarice.

Old Lurker

I keep Mathews in the same box I have for Anduril.

Captain Hate

Tweety could be forgiven making an obvious mistake if he wasn't such an obnoxious prick to any of his political enemies in similar situations. So take your own medicine, idiot.

sbw

Please, don't go so hard on Chris Matthews. Where else can an ex-Capitol Police Officer hope to work except in Journo-lism.

Boatbuilder

Powerline has a post on a completly unhinged rant by Matthews, saying that protesters in Egypt are rioting because GWB "lied" about WMD in Iraq. (Or something).

That stuff in the Panama Canal piece about Egypt being a "real country" because it's been there for a long time, unlike the US (!?) and the rest of the Middle East is more evidence of his superior scholarship and intellect. Watch out Bernard Lewis!

I think he's making a bold move to capture the Olbermann audience.

sbw

Clarice, what a gentle dismemberment! [Ah... can I say that and not offend leftist pseudo-civility?] And richly deserved.

narciso

It's a madhouse over there, I don't think Matthews can keep up, in the LUN

narciso

I see the Journolist is busy putting the Mayer
spin on Suleiman, re rendition, well what would they have preferred for terrorists, the
'comfy chair'

Captain Hate

O/T The continual decline of Fox continues. Next Sunday FNS comes from whatever the hell Jerry Jones's stadium is named where the Super Bowl is being played with asswipe Roger Goodell being interviewed and other sports people on. Earth to Fox: Sports isn't news. We know you're doing this because the Super Bowl is on Fox but it generates enough buzz on its own without round the clock huckstering for it. This is nothing but witless overshill for it and reveals you as a craven whore in the process. I love sports probably more than most but this is just ridiculous.

/rant off

narciso

Come on, Capt, tell us how you really feel, the promotion for the O'Reilly/Obama round which will turn out like the Black Sox in 1919, is also nauseating.

daddy

Great Pieces Clarice,

Sadly tho' I've been viewing the Brit Press on the issue, and I don't think I could come up with a more disgusting, dishonest example of what you're fighting against domestically than this UK Guardian story: ">http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jan/30/frances-fox-piven-glenn-beck"> Frances Fox Piven defies death threats after taunts by anchorman Glenn Beck
Leftwing academic speaks out amid hate campaign led by Fox News host Glenn Beck

It truly is a disgusting piece of work---and then you get to the comments. Ughh. The BBC is silent on the issue and the ">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/8277101/US-sociologist-received-death-threats-after-being-criticised-by-Glenn-Beck.html"> UK Telegraph's take is so very brief and insubstantial, that if that's all the Brits read as a rebuttal of the issue, then Piven and the Beck slimers win the battle hands down.

I feel like a broken record saying it over and over again, but we have got to somehow get a decent media overseas to help us fight some of these battles you guys are valiantly waging domestically. Where do we contribute to that effort?

Veeshir

If the Erie Canal moves to Egypt then I'll start worrying.
I mean, the Chinese are trying to buy up the Panama Canal so moving it to Egypt actually makes sense.

Captain Hate

Just last night as I was reading "Bloodlands" I came to a paragraph where Orwell and Koestler badmouthed the Brit press for echoing Stalin's characterization of the Warsaw partisans as "adventurous and wayward" after encouraging them to attack the Germans and then letting them get slaughtered and preventing the US from lending support by denying sites to refuel. This didn't just begin yesterday.

clarice

Thanks, guys. I saw that cmment by you on AT, daddy..well, it's the Guardian dontcha know.

narciso

That was just a press release, that they reprinted from the CCR, daddy, and the Soros
funded JFJ (huzza, as Hugo Farnsworth, might
say) I'm looking for the blue box.

centralcal

Another much needed Pieces, Clarice. The more these idiots are exposed to the light of day, the better it is for all of us. I applaud your ability to do that.

Jane

Fab Clarice, simply fab!

rse

Clarice-

Your calling attention to sociology degrees is important because in the early 1970s there was a conscious, federally financed, change in the nature of colleges of education.

Pedagogy, a word that comes out of Lenin and his plans for the Soviet, would henceforth be the emphasis, not content knowledge.

Pedagogy would basically be about marrying the insights of behavioral psych from BF Skinner with the sociology impulses of Fox Piven and Paolo Freire.

So when we are lead to believe the important question is whether a teacher is certified, think of Fox Piven and the American Sociological Association as described by Clarice.

The real question is "have they been indoctrinated?"

"Is the teacher programmed to change the values, beliefs, and opinions of students?"

"Will he or she teach the kids to respond from emotion rather than knowledge or facts?"

Cultural Marxism and Gramsci-important areas to understand going into 2012.

Melinda Romanoff

Well done, Clarice.

I can admit that ever since Thomas Sowell ripped on Ms. Piven back in the 70's, I've enjoyed seeing her being the intellectual pinata every time she falls for it.

Danube of Thought

A slut nixes sex in Tulsa.

Captain Hate

Mel, wasn't "Free to Choose" a breath of fresh air? On PBS of all places? I remember Sowell making some of my lefty friends completely apoplectic by straying off the plantation.

daddy

Yeah it is the Guardian Clarice, but they are the only guys really pushing the story, so if its remembered at all, folks will probably remember it thru that Guardian filter. Very frustrating.

It makes me feel like I felt a few hours ago watching a round table discussion on the BBC about the Egyptian Crisis. Guess which country in the Middle East came in for more vitriol and blame than all the rest combined? Here's a hint. Not the Egyptians, nor the Saudi's, nor the Iranians, nor the Iraqis, nor the Syrian's nor the Lebanese, nor the Jordanians.

A man, a plan, how eerie.

A slut foxes sex of Tulsa.
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JM Hanes

I wish Beck had actually corrected Matthews on John Quincy Adams, because I went huh? myself when I heard the Bachman quote -- and learned something in the process.

Adams was elected a U.S. Representative from Massachusetts after leaving office, the only president ever to do so, serving for the last 17 years of his life with far greater success than he had achieved in the presidency. Animated by his growing revulsion against slavery, Adams became a leading opponent of the Slave Power and argued that if a civil war ever broke out the president could abolish slavery by using his war powers, a correct prediction of Abraham Lincoln's use of the Emancipation Proclamation in 1863. Adams predicted the dissolution of the Union on the slavery issue, though he mistakenly predicted that if the South became independent there would be a series of bloody slave insurrections.

It really is quite remarkable how consistently liberals respond to conservative emphasis on founding principles by bringing up the 3/5ths strawman and dismissing even the Framers as racists.

Captain Hate

JMH, they always employ the 3/5 compromise incorrectly to "prove" their point.

daddy

JMH,

Later in the show Beck did go back and revisit the topic with big emphasis on John Quincy Adams, Abe Lincoln, and Frederick Douglas. It took some time, as he kept getting wired up on the topic due to certain calls he was taking, but I also think he was worried that he might be coming across like a broken record because he has covered this stuff so much on his TV Show.

Its rare that I listen more to him than to Dennis Miller since they're on at the same time but yesterday Beck won my ears with that opening rant.

Now granted, he helped bring about its end in all the states.

Nice, too, to remember that Lincoln only abolished slavery in the rebellious states, over which he had no jurisdiction.
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Janet

Got news this morning that our pastor & the tour group he was leading chartered a plane & made it out of Egypt to Israel. So that's good news.
Chris Mathews...& Dana Milbank from the WaPo, they are all just melting down before our eyes. They're unserious, emotional screamers. It seems like all they have left is turning up their volume.

narciso

Beck, with the help of David Barton, has really uncovered the whole 'samizdat' history
of the reconstruction period, which is almost
never covered to any large degree, and put more focus on abolitionism, which I imagine
is ignored for the same reason, ignorance abounds, as we see, everywhere.

Al Baradei is like a moth to the flame.

Al Jazeera shut out of Egypt by the authorities, but still seems to have its live feed. Mubarak's family is in London.
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centralcal

I just want to echo what daddy and narcisso have been saying. Beck had a whole series last year - every Friday - Founder's Friday, where he covered the 3/5 subject and many others in depth. They were, imho, his best shows.

Extraneus

It really is quite remarkable how consistently liberals respond to conservative emphasis on founding principles by bringing up the 3/5ths strawman and dismissing even the Framers as racists.

This is how they keep the negroes on the plantation.

daddy

Sort of OT,

I've read lots of John Adams and like and admire much of him, though he's not my favorite of the Founders. Great man regardless. And his wife.

I've read fair bits of John Quincy Adams.

But 3 times i've tried to read "The Education of Henry Adam's" (3rd time just last year) and I can't get more than a dozen pages into the thing before I lay it aside and give it up as just not worth the effort. Anybody else have that affliction?

centralcal

Janet, over at Powerline, John begins a post about drooling Chrissy Mathews with this line:

Sometimes you get the feeling that liberal pundits are all going around the bend together, in a grand carnival of craziness.

The only correction I would make to that sentence is to strike through "sometimes."

A Madness of the Crowd.

There is something to this, cc. The Progressive vision is running up against reality, and the true believers have lost faith in reality.
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Danube of Thought

Nice, Clarice. This throw-away line from Piven says a lot:

...austerity measures forced on the Greek government by the European Union, or like the student protests that recently spread with lightning speed across England in response to the prospect of greatly increased school fees.

Note that it is taken as given that Greece's problems derive solely from the cruelties of the EU, and that it is simply outrageous that school fees should be increased.

Able was I ere I saw Elba.

Danube of Thought

I've always thought it is likely that J.Q. Adams was the smartest man ever to hold the office of president (and further proof, if we needed any, that being smart doesn't guarantee good performance in that job). His going off to Russia as secretary to our representative there--at age 14--is hard to comprehend. It's my understanding that he did a lot of heavy lifting in that capacity; he wasn't just along for the ride.

Janet

Yeah centralcal, & I agree about the Beck shows. My Mom takes notes sometimes while watching...like attending a lecture! Who else is looking at these old leftist organizations/players/ideas up close?

Captain Hate

But 3 times i've tried to read "The Education of Henry Adam's" (3rd time just last year) and I can't get more than a dozen pages into the thing before I lay it aside and give it up as just not worth the effort. Anybody else have that affliction?

Kind of. A few of my buds that share musical tastes have rec'd "Mont-Saint-Michell & Chartres" by Henry Adams. Ordinarily I'd love something like this because I've been to and thoroughly enjoyed Mont-Saint-Michel, but I found the book to be an absolute snoozer of an insomnia cure.

Chubby

((Who else is looking at these old leftist organizations/players/ideas up close? ))

David Horowitz, not as high profile as Beck, but whose research Beck uses, pardon the expression, liberally. Not criticizing that, am in fact grateful Beck picks up on Horowitz's work.

peter

Clarice, great piece. What is remarkable is how succesful the Cloward Pivens tactics have been. ACORN started out as a welfare recipients rights group, then expanded through the decades to become so powerful as to elect a president.

Janet

Yeah, God bless David Horowitz.

hit and run

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/01/29/newsmaker-interview-jimmy-rent-is-too-damn-high-mcmillan/>McMillan - Palin 2012
The Rent for Palin Living in Libs' Heads Is Too Damn High -- Even Though It's Free

Or something.

Jimmy McMillan became a national sensation when he ran for governor of New York. Known for his quick wit and his party, "The Rent Is Too Damn High," he's now set his eyes on the presidency. I talked to McMillan about his plans for a presidential run and revealed some surprising news about who he'd pick as VP.
...
What do you think of Sarah Palin? Would you consider her for VP?

Love her. Constitution. American citizen. Exercising the right to privacy. Free speech. Haters -- those who don't like Sarah Palin. That's what they are. Sarah Palin: I love you because America gives you the constitutional right to do whatever you want to do as a woman. And people don't think you can do because you're a woman. They try to make a mockery out of you. But you stand up for your rights and stand strong for your rights. And don't let anyone try to cut you down. Not only are they talking about Sarah Palin. They're talking about me.

clarice

Well, DoT, her pension checks will still be rolling in. Since she once taught at Columbia I am certain she takes advantage of the lifetime free (spacious)apt on the upper West side of Manhattan offered to Columbia professors and their spouses as well as a nice pension and health program. It's not a bad life.

Captain Hate

David Horowitz, like Tammy Bruce, is originally from the left before maxing out on their casuistry. Like all cultists, the lefties reserve their most intense ire for apostates who've rejected them.

Captain Hate

the promotion for the O'Reilly/Obama round which will turn out like the Black Sox in 1919, is also nauseating.

Troo dat, narc; the first commercial for that almost made me lose my lunch, or whatever meal was undigested. Plus if you sum their IQs, do you hit double digits?

Janet

Here is a video of Chris Wallace giving Boehner a hard time about smoking.
None.of.their.d*#n.business.
Can we go evaluate some of these "journalist's" lives? Do they ask Jim Moran about drinking too much? or one of the Kennedy's about drinking/drug use/STD treatment/gluttony?

Rick Ballard

Janet,

Reality is unmasking the rotten core of the institutions ruined by the gentle ministrations of the Fabians and Gramscians. The source of the rot is known, as is its pervasiveness.

You and Jane and Rocco are actually much, much more important than a failed leftist crone such as Piven (although I really enjoyed Clarice's fine evisceration of the commie this morning). You guys are the vanguard of a successful movement that is undoubtedly increasing Alinsky's torment as he writhes his way through eternity for you have already garnered a level of success beyond any prog's capacity to imagine.

Anyone wishing to trace the spread of the progressive infection can pick up the rudiments in an hour on the 'net and The Road to Serfdom or The Fatal Conceit provide fine road maps for deeper exploration of the inherent fallacy upon which the infection is based.

It's more fun to watch the American phoenix rising from the progressive ashes.

DebinNC

That clip looked tame to me, Janet. Wallace's "I like you" preface to his "Why don't you stop smoking?" question [per my memory of it], with good natured bantering back and forth, doesn't seem hostile to me at all. Quite the opposite, in fact. Both seemed genuine and at ease.

Charlie (Colorado)

We know you're doing this because the Super Bowl is on Fox but it generates enough buzz on its own without round the clock huckstering for it. This is nothing but witless overshill for it and reveals you as a craven whore in the process.

Dude, has anyone mentioned to you that Fox/FNS is a business that likes making money, and they get paid for the number of people watching? Of course they're shamelessly pimping the interview. That's their job.

Charlie (Colorado)

Daddy, you're making an essential mistake there. The Guardian is a leftist paper, pretty much Trotskyite, "socialist international" dictatorship of the proletariate and all. Papers in the UK overtly take sides, much more than US papers. (Note I said "overtly".) Piven would naturally get better coverage than Beck.

Charlie (Colorado)

Anybody else have that affliction?

I really liked "The Education..." but it's extremely sad, even tragic. Poor guy was merely briliant; he couldn't live up to Dad, Granddad, and Great-Granddad.

RichatUF

Sky News could set the record straight.

Comanche Voter

Is it true that Chris Matthews said he can see Panama City from his condo in Cairo? Inquiring minds want to know.

Danube of Thought

From Raz, a cloud no bigger than a man's hand:

Nearly half of the Republican Primary voters who support Sarah Palin say they are at least somewhat likely to vote for a third-party candidate if she does not win the GOP presidential nomination.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 46% of Likely Republican Primary Voters who favor Palin say they are at least somewhat likely to vote third-party if she isn’t nominated. That includes 22% who say it is Very Likely.

RichatUF

That's what I heard.

Danube of Thought

Let us not forget Charles Francis Adams I (son of J.Q.), II, III and IV. All very distinguished; CFA III was a SecNav and the namesake of USS Charles F. Adams (DDG 2), the first of the hardy Adams class DDG's.

Janet

Here is Dana Milbank - Glenn Beck vs the rabbis

He never mentions the name of the group that put up the ad.
Jewish Funds For Justice

Deb, I don't know...it just seems inappropriate. What does Boehner's smoking have to do with news?

Captain Hate

I hate to be in the position of defending Chris Wallace because I don't like him, but I thought he coaxed a good answer out of Boehner of the need for the Repub party to not take the tea party people for granted. I hope he really meant that and wasn't just mouthing empty platitudes; and that it reflects the thinking by the party grandees.

Frau Abscheu

Conclusions from Richard Fernandez (via Insty) that leftists will never acknowledge:

"Events are unfolding, but they have not yet run their course; things are still continuing to cascade. If the unrest spreads to the point where the Suez and regional oil fall into anti-Western hands, the consequences would be incalculable. The scale of the left’s folly: their insistence on drilling moratoriums, opposition to nuclear power, support of negotiations with dictators at all costs, calls for unilateral disarmament, addiction to debt and their barely disguised virulent anti-Semitism should be too manifest to deny."

rse

I read The Fatal Conceit recently at Rick's rec and agree. For me it's the ideal refutation that constructivism is not just another way to teach.

One of my gravest concerns is that in using the schools and curricula to make future voters malleable and passive to socialism, we are getting dangerously close to the schools not providing enough "imitative" content knowledge and skills to get many people beyond their instinctual behavior.

With respect to Horowitz, his Radical Son is a fine book. His comments on his parents' radicalism were fascinating.

Jane

You and Jane and Rocco

Don't forget Caro, and JMH and Clarice.

My goal this year is to get each and every one of you off the couch this year to go to a tax day rally (April 15th.) (Even if you just drive by one, it counts.)

IN MA we will have tax day, the next day (Sat) and the Monday after (Patriot's Day) for assorted rallies. You can all come here if you want.

Absolutely nothing in this world feels better than standing up for your country.

Jane

I too thought Wallace's castigation of Boehner was tame and I loved Boehner's response. "Hey man, it's a free country")

Rick Ballard

"My goal this year is to get each and every one of you off the couch this year to go to a tax day rally (April 15th.)"

OK - I hope the central Federal building in every metroplex becomes a meeting point.

Old Lurker

I read that too quickly Rick as "Melting Point". Perhaps you would accept the edit?

clarice

Milbank has become barking mad...maybe it's the fear of unemployment that's driving him around the bend.

As for the ME--Into every life a little light must occasionally shine..All those Marin County, SF ,Westchester, DC, Highland Park, Santa Barbara etc know it alls might just start to realize how stupid they have been

Danube of Thought

Hard to know what's going on, but things seem to be headed in a bad direction. I still can't forget the Egyptian man-in-the-street reactions to 9/11--I think 60 Minutes had a rather chilling segment on the subject.

narciso

True, Charlie, but the Telegraph wasn't much better, actually worse, and I agree with you
about Henry Adams, an interesting portrait was
that rendered by Eric Zencey's Panama, which is about fin de siecle Paris, with the rise
of anarchists, due in part to the collapse of
the Canal Company, the Enron of it's day,

JM Hanes

Clarice:

"Well, DoT, her pension checks will still be rolling in. Since she once taught at Columbia I am certain she takes advantage of the lifetime free (spacious)apt on the upper West side of Manhattan offered to Columbia professors and their spouses as well as a nice pension and health program. It's not a bad life."

All while Columbia is relentlessly abusing eminent domain to boot less fortunate New Yorkers out of their homes and clear the way for its expanding academic empire.

"Milbank has become barking mad...maybe it's the fear of unemployment that's driving him around the bend."

Or maybe it's just trying to conceive of how miserable his Palin-free February is going to be -- especially since no one else seems inclined to take the pledge.

JM Hanes

rse:

I really appreciate the informed perspective you bring to discussions about education. Your comments are a unique and substantive contribution to this board. Many thanks!


Jane:

"Even if you just drive by one, it counts."

Only if you honk and give 'em a victory sign.

clarice

Right on both counts, birthday girl.

Rick Ballard

OL,

"Melting Points" works just fine. The main idea is to keep the Tea Party on a low boil for another 10 months or so. Then, the heat gets turned up.

CH,

I'm not too concerned about Boehner being co-opted or corrupted by the oligarchy. The ascension of Wisconsonites to positions of authority bodes well for the party. The turn around in Wisconsin is pretty spectacular.

Janet

I must just be down on the media today, but really...how objective CAN "journalists" be if they are going to parties with the politicians?

From the article- "(Linda)Douglass, who is now with the National Journal, played host to a gathering of cabinet secretaries including Arne Duncan (Education), Timothy Geithner (Treasury) and Steven Chu (Energy) and prominent reporters including Major Garrett (National Journal), Jake Tapper (ABC), Chuck Todd (NBC) and John Harwood (CNBC/New York Times)."

There was that super soaker party awhile ago with Biden & Wolf Blitzer. Anyway , I don't see how we can get the straight news with this old system.

narciso

Janet, Linda was never an Journalist, even when she was at ABC I believe, she was a facilitator for the likes of Webb Hubbell

Frau Leseratte

I thought of the same book, narciso. Of course, I could not recall the author's name.

Hillary! was just on TV to praise the Egyptian army and let us know that all is under control. Her new, long hair style is very distracting. There's much to be said for a neat bonnet ...

or snood.

melbourneopenunder

CNN is doing Rogue Justice.They are really what your talking about with that nut lady.

Janet

Love the bonnets Frau! Hah!

Here's the Tea Party WaPo sign in honor of Courtland Milloy. Will have to think up one for Milbank...

MayBee

Janet- Jake Tapper gave Axelrod a real soft interview for a going away present. Fed him lines about Obama getting in front of the Egypt thing, no mention of any Axelrod failures (except in Axelrod's own assessment). Just a soft story about Axelrod "leaving" Obama, even though he's doing no such thing. I can't imagine how friendly the coverage is going to be during Obama's reelection. Journalists love them some Axe.
I'm over Jake Tapper for good now.

caro

Ditto what Jane said. And when you feel the urge, here is a link to Tea Party groups in every state. Click on "groups."

I note that there are two Park City groups listed which do not exist. That means I go to the next closest.

And ditto to JMH's comment on your informative posts,rse. I was thinking it but failed to act. Let that be a warning to me.

Jack is Back!

The problem with the British press, especially the conservative ones like the Daily Mail, The Times and the Telly is internal cost controls. They now rely more on wire feeds, MSM American press reports and less and less on their own correspondents which have decreased substantially. Once in a while you will get Toby Harnden or Nail Gardiner to do a more accurate report/opinion piece that corrects initial reports but not more than once a week. I subscribe to both The Times and The Telly and both have limited US news and focus more and more on the UK due to the coalitiions plans for austerity which is affecting everything from tuition fees, bin collections, council housing, the NHS, policing, transport, etc. These are the things of immense interest to Brits these days as they see their incomes drop and taxes rise and services disappear. We will start to look like them pretty soon if we don't get a handle on spending and borrowing.

Captain Hate

All while Columbia is relentlessly abusing eminent domain to boot less fortunate New Yorkers out of their homes and clear the way for its expanding academic empire.

My youngest Hatette once pointed out from an elevated walkway over Broadway, where an aquifer owned by Columbia was; and how they refused to let NYC draw from it during a drought in the past. Good neighbors, no?

Rick, I hope you're correct because the alternatives would be pretty crummy.

centralcal

"I am over Jake Tapper for good now."

I am curious about what is going on with Major Garrett. He doesn't seen to be doing much of his beloved writing at the National Journal, appears mostly on MSNBC shows, and now we learn parties hearty with the Administration. His wife, last I knew was still reporting for FNC. Guess he has been a lefty all along and just disguised it better than his buds?

Army of Davids

Tom Donahue, head of the US Chamber of Commerce, on the uncertainty, mandates, taxes and new regulations put upon business by the healthcare legislation....."it's a job killer".

Payroll numbers come out this week. Early estimate is we see 155K.

The longer it takes to see employment recovery the more likely it becomes structural in the 8% range. Getting back down to 4% or 5% is not going to happen until we start seeing numbers North of 350K.

narciso

Well Tapper, 'Came from Salon", and he did a doubletap on our state, back in 2000-01 while he was there, maybe the brainslug was a little looser, but I didn't expect much from him,

clarice

BTW NYU has a matching lifetime apt plan for profs and their spouses..you can see why there is no compelling reason for Piven et al to care about municipal expenses and taxes --riding high. How many other jobs are there that come with free lifetime estates for you and your spouse in prime rental areas?

Well--next to that are the free fancy digs for big Museum Directors in NYC..In multimillion dollar apts--Though I don't think the residence rights extend beyond one's employment, the notion that tax free institutions can be so lavish in their compensation packages is disturbing to me.

MayBee

I am curious about what is going on with Major Garrett. He doesn't seen to be doing much of his beloved writing at the National Journal, appears mostly on MSNBC shows, and now we learn parties hearty with the Administration. His wife, last I knew was still reporting for FNC. Guess he has been a lefty all along and just disguised it better than his buds?

I don't really care about their personal thoughts as long as they can get them out of their reporting.
My problem with Tapper is his absolute softball piece about Axelrod on the eve of the going away party, and his regurgitation of Admin talking points on the morning after.

Jack is Back!

Clarice,

I thought Piven was CUNY? Is CUNY now part of NYU? BTW, Clarice, down here at HD we have the ex-head of CUNY's history department and she turns out to be our local GOP Committee Person - can you believe it - and an academic at that:)

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Wasn't John Quincy Adams the one who acted as defense for the Amistad crew? I think I remember that from the movie. Spielberg is a lefty icon so I'm surprised Matthews was so clueless.

Via Wiki:

In 1841, Adams had the case of a lifetime, representing the defendants in United States v. The Amistad Africans in the Supreme Court of the United States. He successfully argued that the Africans, who had seized control of a Spanish ship on which they were being transported illegally as slaves, should not be extradited or deported to Cuba (a Spanish colony where slavery was legal) but should be considered free. Under President Martin Van Buren, the government argued the Africans should be deported for having mutinied and killed officers on the ship. Adams won their freedom, with the chance to stay in the United States or return to Africa. Adams made the argument because the U.S. had prohibited the international slave trade, although it allowed internal slavery. He never billed for his services in the Amistad case.[35] The speech was directed not only at the justices of this Supreme Court hearing the case, but also to the broad national audience he instructed in the evils of slavery.[36]

Adams repeatedly spoke out against the "Slave Power", that is the organized political power of the slave owners who dominated all the southern states and their representation in Congress.[37]. He vehemently attacked the annexation of Texas (1845) and the Mexican War (1846-48) as part of a "conspiracy" to extend slavery.[38]

Also:

Before 1820, Adams was best known as an exponent of American nationalism. Late in life, especially after his election to the House, he was noted especially as most prominent national leader opposing slavery. The turning point came with the debate on the Missouri Compromise in 1820 when he broke with his friend John C. Calhoun, who became the most outspoken national leader in favor of slavery. They became bitter enemies. Adams vilified slavery as a terrible evil and preached total abolition, while Calhoun countered that the right to own slaves had to be protected from interference from the federal government to keep the nation alive. Adams said slavery contradicted the principles of republicanism, while Calhoun said that slavery was essential to American democracy, for it made all white men equal. Both men pulled away from nationalism, and started to consider dissolution of the Union as a way of resolving the slavery imbroglio. Adams predicted that if the South formed a new nation, it would be torn apart by an extremely violent slave insurrection. If the two nations went to war, Adams predicted the president of the United States would use his war powers to abolish slavery. The two men became ideological leaders of the North and the South.[33] In the House Adams became a champion of free speech, demanding that petitions against slavery be heard despite a "gag rule" that said they could not be heard.[34]

I knew about his participation with the Amistad, but I didn't really know how anti-slavery he was.

boris

I don't really care about their personal thoughts as long as ...

But those who can "see" the Emperor's new clothes are not to be entrusted with important matters.

clarice

JiB, Piven is CUNY, but she was a professor at Columbia and so has the right to live in the Columbia faculty apts..I don't know if her husband was also at Columbia, but if so, as his widow she'd also have that entitlement. I just mentioned NYU and the museums to show you how ubiquitous this over-compensation is.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

I love Vanderleun and this is an example of why:

"Egypt? Muslim Brotherhood? Oil at 100 dabloons a barrel? Televised "experts" running the pundit kibble dispensers at 2000 RPM? A slim con-artist babbling in the West Wing with a hand full of gimme and a mouth full of noblesse oblige?"

Janet

Watching the movie The Untouchables reminds me of the corrupt networks in our governments - local, state, & fed. - that seem almost impossible to stop. So much corruption is being uncovered but it seems overwhelming. I know the movie is about the mafia, but the networks, cronyism, & corruption fit.

Here is an article at Am. Thinker about The National Council on Federal Labor-Management Relations. Pagar pointed this story out in an earlier thread. How do we stop all the corruption?

Jack is Back!

I wonder if any of Piven's acolytes are part of the 200 volunteer "control homeless" that are taking part in the annual NYC homeless census? She and they sound like the artless true believers in the total meaness of man.

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