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January 11, 2011

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Danube of Thought

Anybody remember Colin Ferguson, the Long Island RR killer who shot up all those passengers because, he said, he "hated white people?"

I'd appreciate it it one of you would pull together all the editorial expressions of outrage that this spree was caused by the hateful rhetoric of Al Sharpton, Louis Farrakhan, Jesse Jackson et al. Should be a fun research project.

Dave (in MA)

We finally got rid of the last of the damn bunch including the RINO in-law and now the Camelot crowd is getting a collective stiffy:

"http://www.bostonherald.com/news/politics/view.bg?articleid=1308907>We have a new Kennedy," Senate President Therese Murray told reporters afterwards. "He hit that one right out of the ballpark. It was really great and he talked about what’s going on today and the partisanship on both sides which I think is important to talk about. Another historic speech from another Kennedy."

Thomas Collins

Pawlenty should receive tutoring from James Taranto, who calmly explains why the NY Times has crossed a moral line and why it is a lie to classify the Arizona shootings as political violence. See LUN (via Instapundit).

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

TK:

LUM gives you an example column (he writes one most days).

The lead article is great. The metaphor alert is nearly at the bottom of the column. While these alerts aren't in all his columns, they appear in most.

Donald

Stephanie,

I sure wish I could watch Neal Cavuto.

Never thougt I'd say that (Love him, but not much of a serious talk tv guy).

Donald

Michale Medved is wondering why David Brooks had to stress the fact that he doesn't like Sara Palin.

Deep thinker huh?

Thomas Collins

Dave(in MA), aren't those Kennedy trusts funded with bootlegging and commercial real estate monies ever going to run out? I thought perhaps with Patrick's retirement, I would be spared Massachusetts pols sucking up to the Kennedys for awhile. I guess not.

 centralcal

Okay, I thought this was funny and it makes Rep. King look rather silly with his proposed new bill:

Congressman Peter King, New York Republican, believes he can be best protected by placing himself in the center of a circle with a 1,000 foot radius, that moves with him, in which possession of a firearm is a federal crime. The Constitutionally-guaranteed Second Amendment rights of those within that circle are null and void, apparently.

From Jim Geraghty's Campaign Spot at NRO

Dave (in MA)

TC, the funds certainly aren't going to run out due to taxation, I'm certain.

bunkerbuster

Kanjorski? Never heard of him. In fact he lost his seat. Palin? One of Fox's darlings and, arguably, the wingnuts top ideotainer.
But really, it's the context that makes all the difference.
Identity conservatives dwell on the importance of guns and the need to use them to fend off government encroachment, liberals don't.
Identity conservatives celebrate violent attempts to solve geopolitical conflicts and dismiss supporters of diplomatic options as "weak." Liberals support diplomacy and believe violence is only ever justifiable as the last resort for self-defense.
Identity conservatives even complain about "feminization" and wax on -- plenty of it right here on this blog -- about how superior soldiers are to other working people.
If you want to fetishize revenge and political violence and bank on blurring distinctions between the behaviors of fringe minorities and majorities, don't expect sympathy when your chickens come home to roost.

Janet

Andrea Mitchell still blaming Palin for the shootings.

From the article - Andrea Mitchell speaking - "Former Arizona Congresswoman Ann Kirkpatrick was also targeted by Palin's campaign and lost her reelection bid after also experiencing a number of threats while she was in office."

So "targeted by Palin's campaign" & "lost her reelection bid" ARE SUPPOSE TO BE RELATED to threats Kirkpatrick received? Where is the proof?
If you run against an incumbent Dem are you threatening them? Is that the standard now?

Our lovely Andrea Mitchell -


Ignatz

--don't expect sympathy--

We no longer even expect sanity.

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

Some cause for optimism. Bruce McQuain on his blog q and o quotes this snippet from CBS about the results of a poll they announced today:

Overall, 57 percent of respondents said the harsh political tone had nothing to do with the shooting, compared to 32 percent who felt it did. Republicans were more likely to feel the two were unrelated – 69 percent said rhetoric was not to blame; 19 percent said it played a part. Democrats were more split on the issue – 49 percent saw no connection; 42 percent said there was.
Independents more closely reflected the overall breakdown – 56 percent said rhetoric had nothing to do with the attack; 33 percent felt it did.

Heh

Rob Crawford

A thought about Peter King's "proposal":

Would a Senator's motorcade driving along a country road create a wave of federal crimes in front of it?

Would Air Force One turn people into criminals as it lands and takes off?

If Harry Reid goes to the opening of another shooting range, is he committing a federal crime by picking up a rifle in his own presence?

Threadkiller

Bungduster does not complain about "feminization" as he wax off.

Did you give up on reading the links?

 centralcal

This info is for Clarice (and Sue) since it was discussed yesterday on another thread and I think they might be interested:

An Arizona law enforcement agency is backing away from a document it produced in the aftermath of Saturday’s shootings in Tucson – and which was leaked to Fox News – that linked the man accused with carrying out the crimes to a white nationalist publication.

After Fox News began citing the document in its broadcasts, initially describing it as a memo from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, the story was picked up by other media, which suggested that the federal government was looking at the role of the publication, American Renaissance, in motivating the shootings.

David Denlinger, commander of the Arizona Counter Terrorism Information Center acknowledged that the document came from his agency, but contained errors and overstated the link between Jared Loughner, the 22-year-old charged with shooting Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and others outside a Tucson supermarket, and American Renaissance.

MarkO

Ben Dover makes great movies.

So far, based on all the evidence I've seen, the shooter shot Giffords because she pissed him off. That happens all the time all over America. Killing from hysterical speech, never.

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

Is it just me or is BuBu making even less sense than he does with his normal drivel?

Threadkiller

Good point RC. Can a government official hire a private security company? Would they have unarmed guards within the safety circle?
How do they go to the bank with all their bribe money, or do they just have to stuff it in the freezer?

MarkO

Andrea Mitchell, perjurer.

Threadkiller

Jim, at first I thought this bungduster was a cleo ordeal, but he still does the "..." at the end of his ramblings. Is cleo that clever? I am worried about him.

Bung, are you ok?...

cathyf
On the lemonade out of lemons side, they need to start bottling that stuff.
Isn't that "limonata out of lemonade" ?

(ducks)

clarice

I thought TM's work on this was great but I have to say I think Taranto's column today absolutely nails the NYT and the climate of hate purveyors. Nails it.

Rob Crawford

How do they go to the bank with all their bribe money, or do they just have to stuff it in the freezer?

Clearly they'll have to have the bank guards removed before they even get within two blocks of the bank.

And will the Capitol Hill security have to be disarmed?

What happens if one of the Anointed Pols flys into an airbase conducting combat operations? Do the planes have to be disarmed first? What about any planes flying escort or patrolling the area?

clarice

Dave, persuade the guy to hang glide drunk or something. It's your only chance.

Thomas Collins

Bunkerbuster, you may be interested in learning that the most comprehensive piece of scholarship on the feminization of American culture was written by Ann Douglas, who is considered by those in the know (in other words, those tending to your side of the spectrum) to be an unapologetic feminist. I have LUNed a link for you in which you can buy the book. Just part of my continuing effort to help you move beyond your prog talking points mindset so that you can become a serious prog commentator such as Hentoff or Silverglate.

NK

seriously BuBu are you alright? or is that some hostile girlfriend who has taken over your laptop?

lyle

It was a gun that resulted in six deaths.

-headline from R. Cohen, NYT

So the gun presumably loaded itself, ambulated over to the meet-n-greet and fired itselt into a crowd.

Thomas Collins

NK, you mean young-uns today (I'm thinking bunkerbuster is a twenty or at most thirtysomething) let girlfriends use their laptops? Isn't that the equivalent of we old-uns giving our girlfriends access to our little black books when we were young? :-))

lyle

Wow, Janet. That mug of Mitchell resembles her husband's more every passing day. Dour much, Andrea?

 Ann

Pawlenty, who could find himself running against Palin in the 2012 GOP presidential primaries, said "it wouldn't have been my style to put the cross hairs on there" in an interview on ABC's Good Morning America.

Pawlenty is a wuss and the Powerline guys suck.

Ironically, Pawlenty's new book is titled "Courage To Stand" hahahahahahahahaha pfui!

clarice

Capt, lovely daughter!

MaryD

Regarding King's idiocy, I called my two (NH) Senators and my rep this afternoon and told them I thought his proposal was the height of idiocy and that legislation conceived by hysterical politicians was bound to backfire with a boatload of unintended consequences. And by the way, Americans are fed up with having their rights sacrificed on the altar of security.
The Republicans were quite on board with my thinking, the Democrat less so, but very polite.
I then called King's office and gave them the same message. I don't think they liked me.
I really do believe we need to raise a stink about this.

MaryD

Captain, your daughter is beautiful.

Thomas Collins

One of the things on which you might cogitate, bunkerbuster, as you pore over Douglas's book, is the extent to which the feminization process described by Douglas permeates today's educational system, such that far from being empowered, both women and men are increasingly dependent on meaningless therapy talk.

Before you start another "identity conservative" rant, bunkerbuster, you really ought to read Douglas.

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

Surely King is putting his colleagues on. In John McEnroe's famous words, "[he] can't be serious".

Stephanie

That is the second troll I've seen in two days attempt to place the blame on republicans claims that libs feminize the nation and that republicans insist on manliness and support the military and loves thems some machismo. Hit all the same talking points, too. The first troll was better.

Maybe this crisis will put a slight ding in Soros' pocketbook...

Well a girl can wish.

clarice

Everyone with any brains is mocking King's preposterous proposal (See Legal Insurrection, i.e.)

Next up --a proposal that having to campaign for re-election makes the incumbent congress critters too vulnerable and so all the positions should be switched to lifetime tenure.

MarkO

"Whether [political rhetoric] caused what happened in Tucson or not, it’ll cause the next tragedy," Rep. Brad Sherman (D-CA) predicts on FOX News.

Even if the next tragedy is flood.

Janet

that republicans insist on manliness and support the military and loves thems some machismo.

What is negative in that? It all sounds good to me.

Stephanie

This was the original troll dropping:

Sorry, the right has brought this upon itself;

It isn’t just the Sarah Palin ad, or Sharon Angle’s “Second Amendment solution”, but the entire conservative mediashpere [sp] is drenched in violent rhetoric and imagery.

For the last 40 years conservatives have worked overtime to portray themselves as rough, tough manly men in the pride of their manhood, being gun totin’ patriots as opposed to the dainty effete liberal wimps.

Quick, when was the last time you heard of a conservative advocacy group with the words “peace”, “justice” or “fairness” in their title? Those words are almost exclusively the property of liberals, and conservatives scorn them.

They have spent 40 years branding themselves as the party of the NRA, the party of the military, of get tough on crime; its too late now to suddenly try to convince us all they are actually the party of peaceful flower children.

Janet

Even if the next tragedy is flood.

Hahahaha MarkO!

narciso

That's a very splungey statement from TPaw, 'he's not being indecisive' well maybe a little, but not too much,

Threadkiller

Limit the guns to only ">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9AJzv8gb2A&feature=related"> five bullets.

Some people will never understand how stupid the "limit the clip" argument is. We need to limit the nutjobs.

DebinNC

Dupnik described the Loughner family as "somewhat dysfunctional"...and he seems to be right.

Boatbuilder

Hey Bubu, I'm not really surprised that you never heard of Kanjorski, the Dem politico who expressed his opinion on the campaign trail that his opponent should be lined up and shot. Not surprisingly, it wasn't heavily reported on by the MSM. Never fear, however, the NYT aims to fix that by putting him front and center ON THEIR EDITORIAL PAGE TO LECTURE US ALL ABOUT THE NEED FOR POLITICAL CIVILITY. (Apparently you missed that part of TM's post).

Neo

“What is government if words have no meaning?” … Tyranny

Cleo  is impotent

Hey Capn' How very cool!

Threadkiller

Dobby from ">http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Dobby"> Harry Potter:

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Dopey from MSNBC:


MaryD

Love it, Threadkiller! There really is a resemblance!

Chubby

((As usual it's the crazy people who think everyone else is nuts.))

It's scary how much history has been dominated by crazy people with political power.

hit and run

On a thread yesterday,JiB said he had cancelled his NYT subscription,jimmyk said he wish he could,and DoT told us:

Today I returned to the Times a business reply envelope they had included with some unwanted solicitation. I returned it empty, except that at the very top of the inside I had placed a Post-it note inscribed "Go Shit In Your Hat,"

Well. I got that same unwanted solicitation from the Times in the mail today. Was trying to determine the manner in which I would decline their offer. All sorts of thoughts have gone through my head,some of which would be inappropriate.

But now,having read this from jimmyk upthread:

The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, for example, used red bull's eyes on a map to show the GOP candidates in its sights. Ryan Rudominer, a spokesman for the DCCC, told the Palm Beach Post over the weekend that the Democratic map was not threatening since it used an image that is also associated with Target, the national retail chain.

I figure I'll photoshop a pic of Krugman with a bullseye over his face and affix it to the solicitation when I return it to them.

Dave (in MA)

http://www.boston.com/business/ticker/2011/01/evergreen_solar_30.html?p1=News_links>Hope+change update

Evergreen Solar Inc., which received $58 million in state aid to open a factory in 2008 at the former military base in Devens, announced today it would shut the plant and let go 800 workers by the end of this quarter.

The solar-panel plant is a cornerstone of Governor Deval Patrick's efforts to make Massachusetts a hub for the emerging clean-energy industry.

Janet

No hit...you might get in trouble for that. I put in lots of paper cause they have to pay the return postage, but don't do anything to get in trouble.

Stephanie

Ace comes up from sniffing Rove's butt to actually say something important:

The article ends on this lie:

Aaron Mehta is a reporter for the Center for Public Integrity, a nonprofit, nonpartisan investigative reporting organization in Washington D.C.

See, that's a lie, because "nonpartisan" is a legal category meaning simply "not formally, legally associated with either party. But the media uses this to hide the ideological affiliation of leftist organizations -- yes, the organization is technically "nonpartisan" on its paperwork it files with DC. But that is not an accurate description -- a more accurate one would be "extremely leftist organization which almost exclusively champions liberal and leftist causes and the Democratic Party."

Another way to describe it is a corporate shell of George Soros' greater Marxism, Inc., via his Open Society Initiative.

But you choose -- those interesting, informative descriptions, or Newsweek's choice of the meaningless legalism "nonpartisan."

Note to the media: If a lie is so obvious and disprovable that you are forbidden to state it directly, isn't that a sign you shouldn't imply the fuck out of it?

Isn't that both dishonest and cowardly? You won't even write the words. You know they're not true. If you know they're not true -- why are you writing them via implication?

Stephanie

Oops. forgot to update the LUN

Ignatz

--I figure I'll photoshop a pic of Krugman with a bullseye over his face and affix it to the solicitation when I return it to them.--

Better hurry before it's a federal crime, hit.

narciso

You think they can't go lower, but they do, in the LUN

Dave (in MA)

http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/286/buhbyeglobe2zt.jpg>This was how I unsub'ed from the Globe (NYT's Mini Me).

hit and run

But Ryan Rudominer has assured me that doing that would not be threatening.

Captain Hate

Thanks guys; she can be a handful at times (and I keep waiting for her to grow up and be a conservative) but she's my girl.

Chubby

I wonder if Sarah Palin will find grounds libel in some of the asinine, superheated rhetoric that's going around.

 Ann

Hit, just send a picture of the Target dog:

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Poor thing is probably on the way to the pound as we speak. :(

h/t tammybruce

Captain Hate

Damn narc; there's no way to parody that. Even Iowahawk would draw a blank on that garbage.

Captain Hate

Oh and Pawlenty can STFU; another gelded Repuke.

Captain Hate

That is the second troll I've seen in two days attempt to place the blame on republicans claims that libs feminize the nation and that republicans insist on manliness and support the military and loves thems some machismo. Hit all the same talking points, too. The first troll was better.

Unoriginal and stupid must be a hellish way to go through life.

Extraneus

Michale Medved is wondering why David Brooks had to stress the fact that he doesn't like Sara Palin.

My theory is that he's married to one of those women who involuntarily vomited with rage the first time they saw Sarah Palin on TV. And henpecked.

 Ann

Captian, your daughter is a beauty. Btw, how much snow have you gotten up there. We got about 5 inches so far.

Ignatz

--why David Brooks had to stress the fact that he doesn't like Sara Palin--

Prolly cause she makes his chausses fit to bust and he experiences avarice for her lute.

bgates

Donald, thanks for that link to Pawlenty's new book, "Courage to Rip Off a Book Cover":

Funny thing about those poses - he undoubtedly feels like he's on the right, but from my perspective he looks like he's on the left. (And Sarah's in the center.)

hit and run

Speaking of Obama giving a speech in Arizona,I think a review of his speech after the Virginia Tech shooting gives us a clue (or at least fodder).

And that speech is even more relevant (in political terms) here than it was at the time,because of his prominent use of "verbal violence". Back then,it was in the context of Imus's "nappy-headed hos",which was something no one -- not Obama, not Krugman, not "unnamed Democratic operatives" -- was linking to the shooting, direct or otherwise.

But now with everyone decrying the heated rhetoric,and a climate of metaphorical violence (or is it violent metaphors?) in politics -- can't you just imagine him just basically re-reading http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/04/barack_obama_on_virginia_tech.html>that speech,replacing the Imus incident with . . . Sarah Palin's map?

There's also another kind of violence though that we're gonna have to think about. It's not necessarily physical violence but that the violence that we perpetrate on each other in other ways. Last week, the big news, obviously, had to do with Imus and the verbal violence that was directed at young women who were role models for all of us, role models for my daughter. I spend, along with my wife, a lot of time making sure that my two young daughters, who are gorgeous and tall and I hope will get basketball scholarships, that they feel good about who they are and that they understand they can do whatever they can dream might be possible. And for them to be degraded, or to see someone who looks like them degraded, that's a form of violence - it may be quiet, it may not surface to the same level of the tragedy we read about today and we mourn, but it is violence nonethesame.

Exit Question: can Obama pivot from "a climate of violence" to "actual climate violence" because of Republican opposition to cap and trade in this speech? Actually the question isn't "can" he. It's will he...
Captain Hate

LOL Iggy.

Ann I think we have about the same amount as you do. It didn't start snowing until around 3 this afternoon.

Rob Crawford

I wonder if Sarah Palin will find grounds libel in some of the asinine, superheated rhetoric that's going around.

She should get restraining orders against most of the commentariate.

It'll be fun during the campaign: "Sorry, you're not an acceptable debate moderator; you're not allowed within 1000' of Palin, by court order."

 Ann

Even Imus this morning while trying to stick up for Palin added he thinks she is a moron. What small little men.

All you need to know about Obama's trip this week is he called the sheriff to THANK HIM and he is taking Napolitano and Holder with him.

Rob Crawford

Even Imus this morning while trying to stick up for Palin added he thinks she is a moron.

It's a class marker. They don't know why they say it, they just know that they're expected to say it.

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

A chausses without a codpiece would not provide much of a barrier to those furtive carresses which led to so much discomfort for that hapless gent.

LUN

hit and run

bgates:
Funny thing about those poses - he undoubtedly feels like he's on the right, but from my perspective he looks like he's on the left.

Pawlenty resides in the same position on his book cover that Obama does on Audacity of Hope.

Porchlight

All you need to know about Obama's trip this week is he called the sheriff to THANK HIM and he is taking Napolitano and Holder with him.

I thought my blood pressure couldn't go up any further today, but I was wrong.

Charlie (Colorado)

Don Imus thinks everyone is a moron.

Seriously, you have to listen to Imus-speak for a while before you catch on: if he likes you, he calls you names. If he doesn't like you, you get the Cheech-and-Chong Sister-Mary-Elephant "shut up!" screech.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

I blame Obama and Bill Ayers, if the report is true, that Mountain View High School has a Small Schools Workshop curriculum. Oh snap, does it really matter if it is true or not?

Captain Hate

All you need to know about Obama's trip this week is he called the sheriff to THANK HIM and he is taking Napolitano and Holder with him.

The Three Stooges in Arizona with Sheriff Fuzznuts as Shemp.

Imus is an idiot; I defended him for his comments that gave drama queen Vivien Stringer the vapours strictly on a free speech basis (not to mention doing what a shock jock is supposed to do: Be controversial). But he's at about the same level as Larry Flynt on the loathsome scale.

clarice

Let's play this at the end of his speech, Hit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ocjqgd3LYfg>My B.S. Meter is at the Break Point

Porchlight

Captain Hate, you've got a lovely daughter (sing to the Herman's Hermits tune).... :)

Captain Hate

Very good Porch; you've even got the meter and cadence down. And thanks.

Frau Schiessgewehr

Watch out Arizona! The feds are on the way to help!They also want to check up on Sheriff Doofnick Dupnik to see that he has not reverted to his years of advocating citizen gun ownership and purging AZ of illegals.

In 1981, Dupnik sent a message to all residents: Arm yourselves. Police couldn't adequately protect the populace, he said, because they didn't have sufficient manpower: "Not only are things not good, they are going to get worse. For those who are so inclined, it's time to start protecting yourselves." LUN

Melinda Romanoff

hit-

I couldn't stand by and deny you the opportunity to display your generosity when unsubscribing from such a vaunted institution.

If you need one from here, arrangements can be made.

SamF

Kanjorski was wrong. But there is a difference between being pissed off at being stolen from and inciting armed insurrection.

bunkerbuster

The more wingnuts dwell on what they perceive to be hostile comments from liberals, the more they underscore that they really do believe eliminationist rhetoric motivated Loughner. The fact that they're just too stupid to understand that is hilarious, if a bit sad…

centralcal

Where is everyone seeing Captain's lovely daughter?

Melinda Romanoff

bubbler-

You are supposed to sit BEHIND the projector, not look into it.

You're going to go blind like that.

Maybe from some other habits, but we'll leave that be.

MayBee

Captain's Hatette is gorgeous. And I really applaud what she is doing.

Melinda Romanoff

c-cal-

Cap'n beamed proudly, and justifiably, back here.

hit and run

Thanks Melinda! Those are some great ideas.

(for the record I am not unsubscribing,but simply declining to subscribe)

MayBee

The more wingnuts dwell on what they perceive to be hostile comments from liberals, the more they underscore that they really do believe eliminationist rhetoric motivated Loughner.

No.
Pointing out the hostile comments shows that even they do not really believe hostile comments cause political violence.
Democrats, Republicans, and Independents all know that political violence is simply not acceptable in this country. Nor is is necessary. We have a ballot box.

Some Democrats are cravenly using this horrifying crime to seize control of the rhetoric and mood of the country. Obama has to run for reelection in 2 years. They want to have the ability to say opponents are endangering the country with their "hostile" rhetoric. Like opposing Obamacare.

Extraneus

That's really something that Obama called the sheriff to thank him for all of his help. Sounds like he's about to step in it again tomorrow.

centralcal

Thanks, Mel! Yes, very lovely, Captain Hate!

maryrose

I'll try to post this again. The long knives are out for Sarah Palin on Matthews show as he discredits her website person's explanation about the surveyor marks on the map targeting vulnerable candidates. He then goes on to accuse Sarah of hiding. Oelbermann and Chris need to get a grip before they are sued for libel and slander.

Melinda Romanoff

hit-

Even better!

Anonymity reigns!

I'm modifying my thoughts on the fly, perhaps unrinsed empties, ripened for a week under a shed, all in a box, held down by rocks.

Ugly Truth

Why is Palin so quiet?

Could it be that Tea Baggers actually
have a conscience?

hit and run

Democrats: the Frank Costanza of politics.

Civility Now!

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