And Speaking Of Krugman And Double Standards At The Times...

OK, I am back in Arizona.  Pejman has a great piece on inflamed rhetoric which reminds me of this jaw-dropper - a Democratic Congressman who last fall said a Republican candidate for Governor should be shot has a guest piece in today's NY Times talking about civility.  I kid you not.

Here is the voted-out Rep. Kanjorski (D, PA) last fall:

"Instead of running for governor of Florida, they ought to have him [Rick Scott, the Republican candidate for Florida governor] and shoot him. Put him against the wall and shoot him. He stole billions of dollars from the United States government and he's running for governor of Florida. He's a millionaire and a billionaire. He's no hero. He's a damn crook. It's just we don't prosecute big crooks."

Here he is today:

Why Politicians Need to Stay Out in the Open

By PAUL E. KANJORSKI

...

Nevertheless, even in this post-9/11 world, the shooting of Ms. Giffords was especially shocking, because it was so personal. She was hunted down far from the symbolic halls of power while performing the most fundamental responsibility of her job, listening to her constituents.

As far as we know, her attacker had no grand political point; I doubt we will ever really understand his motives. What the shooting does tell us, however, is that it is impossible to eliminate the risks faced by elected officials when they interact with their constituents.

We all lose an element of freedom when security considerations distance public officials from the people. Therefore, it is incumbent on all Americans to create an atmosphere of civility and respect in which political discourse can flow freely, without fear of violent confrontation.

Geez - someone should put Kanjorski against a wall and... read him his public statements.  And the Times editors might want to reflect on just who they are turning to for advice on creating "an atmosphere of civility and respect in which political discourse can flow freely, without fear of violent confrontation".

And let's not skip past the Krugman connection.  Yesterday Professor Hate told us this:

It’s hard to imagine a Democratic member of Congress urging constituents to be “armed and dangerous” without being ostracized...

Looks like that ostracism thing is strictly in Krugman's imagination.  The same guy who called for a Republican to be shot down is now lecturing the rest of us about preserving civility - in the pages of the Times!

 

Comments

[Melinda Romanoff]

Cleo!

Dinner's over and mom didn't make you do the dishes.

That's great!

Too bad you forgot to clean your ears at bathtime...

[Ignatz]

Keep em comin bubu. The country stands firmly behind you and your comrades courageous chatter.
No sleazy smear you guys can come up with is too outrageous to alienate the "great unwashed" as you folks like to call the independents and moderates, nor is it galvanizing your opponents into even fiercer opposition to unravel the fabulous state that is so efficiently bankrupting us.
Carry on, stalwart bubu.

[Ugly Truth]

Rasputin washes more than yer ears for you, Melinda.

But clean, for you and your paramours, is
closer to filthy for the decent people of this world.

[narciso]

Matthews, the one who thought Obama going to West Point, was 'the enemy camp' how do you call him, Captn, Tweety.

[Melinda Romanoff]

Another deft metaphor grab there, alligator arms.

Pick up any checks lately, or still the professional sponge?

[Ann]

Tops tweet:

They're going full Wellstone RT @ExJon: Now PELOSI is coming to Tucson?! With or without the giant gavel?

Yep, it is going to get really ugly.

[bgates]

Pointing out the hostile comments shows that even they do not really believe hostile comments cause political violence.

Well, either that or they are attempting to instigate political violence against the people they call "enemies".

[Melinda Romanoff]

Ann-

How much popcorn ya got?

[bgates]

Now PELOSI is coming to Tucson?!

Wow, they already built a faceplate that could extrude tears, huh?

[MarkO]

Pelosi is like the crying statues in Paraguay.

[narciso]

It's like Diana's mask on V, Ot, they've brought Jane Badler back for the new show.

[Ann]

I think we should all laugh at the media and ask them why they are so scared of the tea party and little ole Sarah Palin.

What did Dot say? Go crap in your hat? HA!

Mel, Open bar at my house. Come on over. :)

[Melinda Romanoff]

bgates-

heh, sorta like "Data".

heh.

[Melinda Romanoff]

BTW, did you get my message last week?

[Melinda Romanoff]

Oops, that's for Ann.

[Ugly Truth]

The lack of accountability from those who claim the mantle of 'libertarian', or 'Classical Liberal', or 'inveterate swineherder', is a testament to the fractured
notion of 'freedom' you so stubbornly attach yourselves.

Freedom is a concept the Framers codified in their prose and legalisms, and , although they mistakenly assumed that future generations would utilize the Painian 'Common Sense' in their interpretations, they certainly never imagined there would be Delusionists, so perverted and obtuse they would not recognize the peril of political narcissism.

Ask Charlie from Colorado (the Buddhist) what attachment does to the individual psyche. Delusion is your mainspring. The good news is your clock is running down.

You and Palin will always be associated with the consequences of your decedent dialogue. Your History will have all the advantages seen by the Confederacy after their defeat required a nutbag to carry out their subconscious wish; Kill the messenger of all we disagree with.

There's yer legacy. Tea Bag nation.

Eat it. Digest it. Shit it out. Then eat it again.

You are like the dog who returns to his vomit.

[Danube of Thought]

I'd say that in the past 48 hours our side has won this battle (sic) in a decisive rout. The CBS poll settles the matter quite nicely.

What makes it especially sweet is that when they first pounced they were licking their chops, figuring this one was tailor-made for them. And now it is dawning on them that they have stepped on their dick. What's not to love?

[clarice]

DoT, Have I told you lately that you are my favorite? (Don't tell Hit.)

[Melinda Romanoff]

Cleo, and I'm serious.

Did you steal bubu's projector again?

[Ignatz]

--You and Palin will always be associated with the consequences of your decedent dialogue.--
Jeepers, Cleo the Ugly. You must share the commie manifesto with Loughner as some of your fave reading material; your style is morphing into pure 19th century Marxist boilerplate. Couldn't find a spot to insert 'running dog lackies'?

[ljmw]

I haven't heard anyone ask Dupnik the obvious question. If indeed he was aware of heated rhetoric directed at Ms Giffords before, during and after the election and if his belief is that rhetoric leads to violent action why was his department AWOL at the gathering on Saturday?

[Melinda Romanoff]

What, no chausses, cleo?

Mayhap?

That Bartlett's sampler's letting you down.

[MarkO]

"subconscious wish."

Dan Rather had it right, "Fake but accurate."

As best I can tell, when a crazy person has killed a politician, it was because of what the politician said, not what the constituency of the killer had whipped up. Clearly, the Tucson killer shot Giffords because of what she said and wrote. Giffords whipped him up. And it doesn’t take much to piss off a nut.

It was certainly true here. True for Lincoln. True for Kennedy. True for King.

The left can divine the thoughts of us all and our subconscious wishes. So, Ugly, what do I wish for you?

Don’t you miss shame?

[Ugly Truth]

"I'm serious."

Don't know what you mean, but I doubt you are serious about anything except how to get more buying power out of a nickel

[narciso]

They had bad intelligence, like with the idea
that Chicago was going to win the Olympics.

[Ignatz]

--They had bad intelligence...--

Yep.

[PDinDetroit]

There is no need for a Government Official to be afraid any longer. There is a new security program!

Buy a Government Official an AK-47. Simple, cheap way to provide security - they get to do it themselves, just like the Founding Fathers did.

No madman, self-respecting or otherwise, would be within 1000 feet of a Government Official armed with an AK-47.

Problem solved.

[clarice]

I hope hey keep listening to the Newsweek whiz kids and, of course, Krugman.

BTW, pat yourselves on the back. I am persuaded the army of bloggers did a great deal to beat back this attack.

[Ugly Truth]

Suddenly they shut the fuck up.

Sobeit.

They aren't worth the time or energy for discourse.

Let them stew in the proverbial juices of ignominy.

It is punishment enough.

[Ann]

Mel,

I just got it. It was in with other saved messages over the weekend. Sorry, I was rather busy supervising teens at the Hilton for a party. I will email you.

[Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet]

There's some Ugly projection going on here it seems to me.

[Jack is Back!]

Forgive them Father, they know not what they do.

Those are the words I am now living by since nothing else seems to work and even as much as I believe they are vile, vitriolic, hypocritical, dangerous and ill-informed they are our brothers, sisters (and some are both and some don't know which they are), I want them to know I love them as humans with souls and damaged minds or at leaset corrupted thoughts. So, I am going to do like my Irish-Catholic mother taught me, I am going to pray for their souls while I beat the shit out of them before I finish my beer.

[Janet]

What, no chausses, cleo?

Mayhap?

LOL!

[Danube of Thought]

"I doubt you are serious about anything except how to get more buying power out of a nickel"

This cruel fellow obviously lacks empathy for the poor and the working class. Here he is, mocking the principal day-to-day preoccupation of millions of American heads of households. For shame...

[Threadkiller]

Fugly, did you read the "Civil Rights" links?

[Danube of Thought]

"Decedent dialogue."

Would that be something like dead men talking?

[Extraneus]

I like the new meme, that Sarah Palin is too quiet. Do they really want to build suspense for a statement from her?

[Rob Crawford]

Dammit, DOT, you got there before me!

Well played, sir, well played...

[Boatbuilder]

The entire narrative makes no sense, even if you believe the dishonest claims behind it. No wonder Cleo and Bubu are losing it! Vitriol, abuse, insults, and character assasination are the stock in trade of the lefty trolls--but--the narrative says the vitriol is all on the right--and vitriol is (as of Sunday)very,very bad--so what is a troll to do?
Its a genuine conundrum.

[Ignatz]

--"Decedent dialogue."

Would that be something like dead men talking?--

Heh. Didn't even notice that one.
Semanticpussy sure has a way with words.

[Cleo is impotent]

Now PELOSI is coming to Tucson?!

Why? She was targeting Giffords for voting against her for minority queen. Pelosi had a bullseye on Giffords' head because she crossed her on immigration. Giffords was in the Pelosi crosshairs because blue dogs are dead to Pelosi.

I forgot to change my name, that's the ugly truth.

[Jack is Back!]

PDinDetroit,

Thanks for picking the one weapon that is light enough and fragile enough that they can drop and break as they poop in their pants and run away. BTW, the one thing that Palin and Giffords have in common is the ability to handle and fire a weapon with authority. I understand that Giffords was brought up on guns by her father and is quite adept at riflemanship.

[Ignatz]

--Buy a Government Official an AK-47.--

That would be an illegal 'strawman' purchase and in the case of a good portion of the Dem caucus would be for a prohibited person either because they're under indictment or don't meet the mental impairment tests.

[Charlie (Colorado)]

You are like the dog who returns to his vomit.

Cliche, n., what passes for with among the lower-paid of Soros's minions.

[Charlie (Colorado)]

Ah, crap.

"... passes for wit".

[Rob Crawford]

Charlie, I think Orwell would see that phrase as evidence of a mind rendered insensate by political cant.

[glenda]

V & Data...I love you guys--sci-fi is the only thing that explains the media, the left's whores; thinking any rational independent mind would all of a sudden believe what they say or want to put Pelosi back in charge...
Obama does not have the character or intention of making this about anything but him, and the morons from Andrea M to Sheriff Dupe add votes for conservatives and their policies.

Love your Dobby pic, Ann...I wish Rowling would allow her books on Kindle, etc.

p.s. If, God forbid, I were a family member of any person hurt in this attack, I would bar the door before I let Obama, Pelosi, the media, or moron Sheriff anywhere near my goodbye to a loved one!

[Rob Crawford]

Scary thought -- is the press, along with Dupnik, setting the country up for another wave of conspiracy theories?

If the police and prosecution never tie the madman (NB: I'm never going to write his name; if he was hunting fame, let his name die from the world) to a "right-wing" group, will the left shriek that it was covered up?

And if they somehow tie him to some "right-wing" group, how can we trust them after the baseless claims Dupnik's made? Can we trust the evidence produced by a police force that appears to be desperate to cover up its own over-tolerance for the madman's threats?

[Charlie (Colorado)]

Hey, folks -- have you heard of any Republicans being invited to this thing at UofA? Or is this entirely a Democratic Party event?

[Captain Hate]

Is Cleo Loughner out on his own recognizance or is he just posting from another "managed facility"? Ugly stuff he's spewing out; Sheriff Fuzznuts obviously hasn't stopped the flow of contraband.

[glasater]

I'm wondering how anyone could use this tragedy to raise money for political campaigns as I just heard on Hannity that Bernie Sanders is doing.

[narciso]

I think it's too late for that Rob, we have the measure of the man, an insecure,apparently
misogynist, nihilist, this isn't 1963 anymore,
They tried with with the Am Ren trialballoon, but that ran out of air fast.

[clarice]

why should they invite a Republican, Chaco? Just because the only official murdered by Loughner was a Republican judge.

Do you get the feeling this is Wellstone II? I do

Matthews is already loosening his chausses for the big event.

[Rob Crawford]

Narciso -- given, I think the guy's a nutcase and the only politics that motivated him was the bizarre froth whipped up by his illness. But given that the press and the left seem to be getting more strident the less evidence they have, will they accept the conclusion or go Truther 2: Electric Boogaloo?

Now, if there is real evidence tying him to some conservative group, and that group egged him on, then I'll be the first to call for those involved to be prosecuted as accessories and for their group to be hounded out of existence. I'm pretty sure that all of us would accept solid evidence, as distasteful as we'd find it.

But what about something sketchy? What if he was at a Tea Party rally? That says nothing about his motives, just his proximity -- he was also at an earlier meeting with Giffords, yet clearly he didn't support her.

[Ann]

Charlie,

They magnanimously invited Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer. Politico confirms she will attend Wednesday's memorial service with President Obama.

They didn't mention seating but I believe she will be seated in between Napolitano and Holder. Can't confirm just yet. :)

[maryrose]

The sheriff was on Hardball and I agree that the obvious question of where was law enforcement when a congresswoman was holding a forum begs to be answered. In my small town of Rocky River if more than 25 people are gathered we have police on site.Why doesthis sheriff crave his 20 minutes of fame. He should be investigating and gettingthis case ready for trial.Instead he is providing ammo for the defense.

[MarkO]

Dupnik laughingly professed: "I'm not a political person by nature. I've been a police officer my entire life. I have no agenda."

Okay then. That settles it all. Barney, give me your bullet.

By the by, Obama not only called him, the DOJ has not shut him up.

[clarice]

I was trying to remember who it was, and now I do--It was the great essayist Florence King who wrote soft porn potboilers to pay her bills early in her career..stuff just one step worse than the harlequin drivel.

[Melinda Romanoff]

Oh, Chaco, you noticed.

I'm sure no campaign funds will be raised at such an austere event.

[Charlie (Colorado)]

Okay, it looks like McCain and Kyl will be there. The description sounds a little goofy:

The memorial service, called “Together We Thrive: Tucson and America” will take place at the McKale Center and is open to the public free-of-charge. The event will include a Native America blessing, a moment of silence, a poetry reading and the presentation of a chain featuring messages from members of the public.

Since when do memorial services have artsy titles?

[DebinNC]

Jon Kyl, John McCain, and Jan Brewer make at least three. Next time there's a shooting spree and Obama pays only scant attention, what will his excuse be? Is it only when federal officials are shot that attention must be paid? Will Obama claim tomorrow the expanded mental health coverage in Kill Granny might have prevented the shooting and warn that repeal will bring more killings?

[MarkO]

"Thrive?" No sh*t. That's what someone was paid to deliver? What is this? Alliteration trumps substance?

[Pofarmer]

I wonder if anybody will ask Sarah if there have any threats against her or her family? Anybody gonna mention her church being torched?

[Ann]

This is going to top Wellstone:

Logo:

Info:
Three Ring Circus

Daley happened to be at the White House on Saturday when news of the shootings broke. He was whisked into his first Situation Room meeting with the president before his official duties had even begun. His next task may be helping shape the president’s Arizona message.…

Kathleen Hall Jamieson, director of the Annenberg School for Communication…

“The challenge for a president is trying to make meaning out of something that’s not easy to understand – something that looks to be a hugely disrupting act,” Jamieson said. “A president is trying to provide a framework for how we are going to understand it.”

[glenda]

Yup, clarice is right.. Wellstone II !

[MarkO]

If it is Wellstone II, I hope the Republicans will get up and walk out.

[clarice]

ToWet (TOgetherWEThrive)
I can see this on tshirts and mugs. Yeah..That'll do it.

[Rob Crawford]

Since when do memorial services have artsy titles?

Since we elected the Pep Squad to federal office.

[Rob Crawford]

Seriously, it's creepy that they put a title to it and came up with a logo.

[Appalled]

Ugly Truth:

Freedom is a concept the Framers codified in their prose and legalisms, and , although they mistakenly assumed that future generations would utilize the Painian 'Common Sense' in their interpretations, they certainly never imagined there would be Delusionists, so perverted and obtuse they would not recognize the peril of political narcissism.

Look, disagree to heart's content, but please, please, please get your Constitutional scholarship straight. None of the framers of the Constitution liked or followed Tom Paine by the 1780s. And the Framers, all well read on their Athenian and Roman history, had no illusions of the nature of men who would inhabit both Federal and State governments.

[Pofarmer]

"The sheriff was on Hardball and I agree that the obvious question of where was law enforcement when a congresswoman was holding a forum begs to be answered. In my small town of Rocky River if more than 25 people are gathered we have police on site"

Shoot, we had a town meeting with electric company officials, and there were two town cops.

[Stephanie]

I would hope that the reps attending would find the good grace to walk out once the demonizings start, but I’m not holding my breath. Too frozen to their chairs as to how the witch hunters will characterize it.

I thought casting out demons went out in the middle ages? Obama as exorcist.

This country’s in the very best of hands…

[Melinda Romanoff]

Appalled-

Don't bust his meme.

He was getting on a roll and I was patiently waiting for the "Germans who bombed Pearl Harbor" moment. That Paine thingie was over a hundred years ago, and you know that's too hard to understand.

[DebinNC]

According to HotAir there won't be any demonizing or partisanship. It'll be all heartrending stories gleaned from Obama's calls to the victims' famililies and rosy talk of coming together. That's what I thought Obama would do if his saner handlers won the day. They aren't about to blow this golden opportunity imo.

[Rob Crawford]

According to HotAir there won't be any demonizing or partisanship.

That's only about Obama's speech tomorrow.

There will be other speakers, and there will be other speeches.

[Rick Ballard]

Any word on whether the President's pastor, the Reverend Jeremiah 'God Damn America' Wright will be delivering any exhortations regarding intemperate remarks?

[hit and run]

Well.

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[clarice]

hit--you really are my favorite.

[glasater]

Well I am sorry to say that Congressman Giffords' communication guy is a sorry representative for her.

He just knocked Boehner for saying that Zimmerman died in the line of duty.
The Com guy said that Zimmerman was a social worker.

Not someone who is in the armed service, etc.

The Fox reporter tried to smooth that one over but...

[jimmyk]

the obvious question of where was law enforcement when a congresswoman was holding a forum begs to be answered.

Sheriff Dumkopf is starting to resemble the guy who was supposed to guard Lincoln's box at Ford's Theater but went off to a tavern.

[Stephanie]

It'll be all heartrending stories gleaned from Obama's calls to the victims' famililies and rosy talk of coming together. That's what I thought Obama would do if his saner handlers won the day. They aren't about to blow this golden opportunity imo.

Oh, the memorial of "I."

They're gonna have to have him on a really tight leash. He tends to lose himself in the exaltations he thinks he's accruing when he goes into community organizer mode. The chin gets higher and higher and "blam." Off script and he's licking his balls in public...

And there I go talking about him like a dog again...

[sbw]

[OT and from a previous thread...] Daddy, Jonathan Cecil reads the best Bertie Wooster and Jeeves.

[clarice]

Rick, such a wise ass..tsk tsk. Remember I am the soi disant co-czarina of the Dept of mean words.

[Rob Crawford]

Stephanie, I didn't think they were letting Biden speak anymore.

[Sue]

And there I go talking about him like a dog again...

LOL.

[Danube of Thought]

They're dumb, but they're not dumb enough to do another Wellstone.

By the way, i believe that during the time of the constitutional convention Paine was living in England. In any event he had nothing whatsoever to do with its drafting.

[Yeah it's me Cleo]

Sorry, cranky. It's just that when I found out the perp wasn't a conservative I went apoplectic. I think I bit part of my lip clean off. Can't tell with the meds and all but it looks like a little chunk is missing.

Plus, when I found out he was a drug-addled moonbat with a variety of social disorders, it hit a little close to home. More than a little disturbing, let me tell you!

So I come here and berate people who have friends. I really have it in for people who have friends.

[Stephanie]

Hey! Is Biden going to be there? I may need to trek through the ice for more popcorn.

They know what to do better than their handlers - how dare they! Both of these bozos positively fight the bit every time their handlers try to muzzle them.

Oops, I did it again. ;)

[bgates]

Together We Thrive

In a special display of togetherness and thriving, the Democrats will temporarily lift their boycott to allow the great and good to spend money within Arizona. So long as they're in district 8.

[Rick Ballard]

Clarice,

I'll give 2-1 on President Boomerang BOzo getting at least one foot in his mouth tomorrow. I can't wait to see him hug Sherrif Dipstick.

[Jim Miller]

Clarice - Right you are about Florence King. And she lived in Seattle for a while, which seems nearly impossible.

[Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet]

“A president is trying to provide a framework for how we are going to understand it.”

He can do that in one short sentence:

This atrocity was the work of a madman.

[Jim Ryan]

Well, it's a great way to start his campaign. The question is will he be able to hit the right notes or will it become obvious to the muddle TV viewer that he's campaigning.

Like getting a note of condolence from your car dealer. "...and if there's anything I can do at what must be a difficult time for you (even logistically, getting around town and so forth), please don't hesitate to come see me..."

[Neo]

I heard that the political “vitriol” that most influenced Jared Laughner came from a dandelion growing in his front yard.

LOL

[Jim Ryan]

Not that Bernie Sanders thinks there's anything wrong with that. (lvi)

[Danube of Thought]

Peter King usually has his heart in the right place, but he could possibly be as stupid as Ed Markey. Consider his proposed "thousand-foot" rule for firearms. We are to believe that this Loughner dude, who was intent on getting to within four feet of the congresswoman so that he could shoot her in the head, would have been foiled if he had been required by law to keep his pistol over 300 yards away from her.

[Charlie (Colorado)]

They're dumb, but they're not dumb enough to do another Wellstone.

I didn't think so until I realized this was being staged as a rally, with a title and posters. ...

... but it's true, or at least it's being reported, logo and all, in the U of A paper.

[clarice]

NYT reporting Dupnik's dept admitting they made several pre-massacre visits to the Loughner home--I hope we get some shots of O smooching with the sheriff before the true story of how he let this freak continue to walk the streets without reporting him for evaluation is fully known.

[clarice]

http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/01/11/more-evidence-that-sheriff-dupniks-office-had-contact-with-loughner/>Dope-nik?

[hit and run]

Another...

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Thought about crossing out the We,but anyway it's getting late.