Back In Egypt

It may be water over the dam, but - back in October 2004, as John Kerry battled George Bush down to the wire, Mohammed El Baradei, then head of the IAEA and now the Nobel laureate trying to lead Egypt, tried to meddle in the US election with hyped-up charges about missing explosives at Al QaQaa.

Obviously time has passed, Bush is long gone (although his policies live!) and a worldly Dem has replaced him.  Still, it might be nice to know whether El Baradei was just anti-Bush or anti-America.

Comments

[clarice]

That's a sucker bet, no? El Baradei was also covering for the Iranian nuclear program --unless my carb restricted diet has so diminished my memory ..

[narciso]

No you're right on point,clarice, there's an interesting reason why El Baradei would know
of al Al Qua Qua, an Argentine Egyptian project was being constructed there.

[clarice]

OT--Mid week we are going to be hit with yet another storm from the pPlains thru the NE--Believe it or not. (Jane, I am so sorry for you.)

[Captain Hate]

Finally a thread not about obesity or using software for new nics.

[hit and run]

How many threads has TM put up about "using software for new nics"?

[Autogenerated Sockpuppet]

At least Mohammed El Baradei isn't a fatty.

[clarice]

Niters..watching the twitters and tweets and getting te impression that the young romantics are painting the picture of yet another Battle o Algiers..Yuck

[MayBee]

I wish I had better search-fu, but I remember a time (during 2004 elections?) when John Kerry claimed a personal closeness to Mubarek that he could use to get some favorable position for us. I wish I could remember what it was.

Weird, isn't it, that El Baradei is outed now?

[narciso]

Maybe this hit, in the LUN

[MayBee]

Here it is. Matt Bai, NYT, October 10, 2004-

'We need to engage more directly and more respectfully with Islam, with the state of Islam, with religious leaders, mullahs, imams, clerics, in a way that proves this is not a clash with the British and the Americans and the old forces they remember from the colonial days,'' Kerry told me during a rare break from campaigning, in Seattle at the end of August. ''And that's all about your diplomacy.''

When I suggested that effecting such changes could take many years, Kerry shook his head vehemently and waved me off.

''Yeah, it is long-term, but it can be dramatically effective in the short term. It really can be. I promise you.'' He leaned his head back and slapped his thighs. ''A new presidency with the right moves, the right language, the right outreach, the right initiatives, can dramatically alter the world's perception of us very, very quickly.

''I know Mubarak well enough to know what I think I could achieve in the messaging and in the press in Egypt,'' Kerry went on. ''And, similarly, with Jordan and with King Abdullah, and what we can do in terms of transformation in the economics of the region by getting American businesspeople involved, getting some stability and really beginning to proactively move in those ways. We just haven't been doing any of this stuff. We've been stunningly disengaged, with the exception of Iraq.

I don't know. That always stuck in my head. His desire to claim closeness with Mubarek as a plus for the US.

[MayBee]

Thanks, narciso. That was close, but the excerpt above was from LUN

[narciso]

Well there's this bit, earlier in the year;

On Egypt, Kerry said that he would not tie foreign aid to greater openness and reform. "I would first want to link it to the warmth of the relationship with Israel and the effort to secure general stability in Middle East," he said. "You have to put your priorities first." (Washington Post, May 30, 2004)

[MayBee]

He was a real missed opportunity, eh narciso?
I do wonder if ElBaradei just thought a President Kerry would better suit *his* agenda.

[MayBee]

Kerry met wit Gamal Mubarek in DC in March 2009:
Today, Gamal is slated to meet with Sen. John Kerry, who chairs the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, and Rep. Howard Berman, Kerry's counterpart in the House, sources told The Cable. Committee spokespeople did not immediately respond to queries.

[narciso]

Couldn't find anything but a 'mamby pamby' statement by Berman, after the meeting.

[JM Hanes]

Here's El Baradei in June, 2007:

The United Nations nuclear watchdog chief warned on Friday against the "new crazies" advocating military action to halt Iran's nuclear programme and said he did not want to see another war like that in Iraq.

"I wake every morning and see 100 Iraqis, innocent civilians, are dying," International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) director Mohamed ElBaradei said in an interview for BBC Radio.


"I have no brief other than to make sure we don't go into another war or that we go crazy into killing each other. You do not want to give additional argument to new crazies who say 'let's go and bomb Iran'," he said in a documentary, excerpts from which were published on the BBC's Web site in advance.

El Baradei was apparently convinced his mandate was to contain, not Iran, but neocons in the U.S.

[Mean Little Retarded Person in Your Bathroom]

Baradei is a peacocking UN fop. John Effin Kerry is a liar and a thief. What would the foreign aid pork bill cost us if that relationship ever gets consummated?

Baradei is getting used in this cover story being run by Fisk and the Left Loonies, the one where these riots are some kind of "organic" populist democracy movement.

Baradei got paid to go in as the Mandela type figure head, gets arrested (house arrest....wooooo! big and scary ordeal...probably still gets EuroTrash escort service while under house arrest doesnt he?) and poses as some kind of resistance leader.

Meanwhile, the AP is so tempted to photshop the "resistance" "cavorting" with the tank drivers as the "regime teeters".

Iran has pushed the Muslim Brotherhood into a weakened position by creating direct confrontation with the Army. Not cool. Not cool at all because the MB is too weak to take on bullets. They are more serpentine, and rival the Iranian apparatchiks, only they are Sunnis. So the army is cracking down on them while the Shiaa operate from a position of strength in the streets.

And in the meantime....Yemen simmers with anticipation of being Iran's proxy attacker of Saudi Arabia. Keep your eyes on SA--- the real birdie.

President Zero in the USA: asleep at the wheel but on time to tee off. Meanwhile, his buff Vera De Milo Chocolat bride, the lovely MooChelle, is pining for a more fit military recruit.

Too much of El Baradei. And what we really need is a President "wid a para deez!" MoFo say ya!!!!!

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

CAIRO (AP) — U.S. Embassy advises Americans they should consider leaving Egypt as soon as possible.

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

Egypt: Inmates clash with guards, escape jails

Security officials: Several killed, Muslim terrorists among those running free; Al-Jazeera says Egyptian authorities order closure of its offices.

[Soylent Red]

Is Kerry angling for SoS? Where the hell did he come from? I thought all he knew anything about was Southeast Asia.

Folks, whoever wrote that longish cryptic post has it dead on...everything we are witnessing is prelude to the big prize: KSA. But KSA isn't the real point of all this.

While the Muslim Brotherhood has the street riled up, this isn't their doing. It appears to me to be Iran/Syria/Hezbollah taking advantage of local gripes, in this case with MB, in other places though plain old destabilization. The desired end state is to isolate pro-western Arab states and surround Israel with enemies.

If this really is Iran/Syria/Hezbollah at work, it satisfies any number of their shared goals, not the least of which is to set up a pan-Islamic push on Israel. Twelver Persian, Baathist Syrian, permanently aggrieved Lebanese and Pali, Islamist MB...all brought together for the elimination of Israel under a single banner with the combined national means of all of the states they control (including imported Nork missile and nuke tech). It's like multi-culti Nasserism. And these people know that they have essentially two years in which the US is unlikely to react with much vigor to any single country falling.

Oddly, the last dominoes to fall will be places like KSA, Kuwait, The Emirates and Iraq - countries either controlling or adjacent to the sacred Arabian Peninsula Al Qaeda (an offshoot of MB) makes such a big deal about. But they don't have to fall in order to move on the Little Satan and mess with US oil supply. They just have to be isolated. SO it's really a question of long term priorities and I'd be willing to bet there aren't many Administration juiceboxers who have played this thing out more than to maybe the next move.

We are IMO, no shit, watching the opening shots on a Cold War type of struggle with the Axis of Evil + Venezuela, that will play out across everywhere we have a national interest. I guess I have job security for a while.

Let me just say it again for the record: Iraq was never about Iraq.

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

Egypt has ordered the Gaza border closed.

[peter]

Then of course, when you talk about Egyptian issues, there's this: LUN

[narciso]

No, Kerry, is 'great fool' in many languages,
Spanish, Arabic, Pashto, as well as Vietnamese, now I defer to you Soylent since
you have been out there, near Maiwand's way.

[Jack is Back!]

El Baradei is in the mullahs of Iran's pocket. The end game is KSA and shutting down the Straits of Hormuz. I see $5 gallon oil in the next few weeks.

Clarice's Pieces at LUN

[Jane]

Yesterday I read where Obama never never even addressed the problems in Egypt with Mubarek and in fact the only time they spoke about it, Mubarek brought it up. I just heard that the word from the WH is Obama has been warning Mubarek about this "for years".

Perhaps we can get copies of those communiques. Certainly "years' is more than 2.

I can't get past Steven Chu's words (paraphrasing) "we need to find a way to make oil prices go up".

Another success for the WH!

[narciso]

Clearly, the Cairo speech, was practically a belated valentine to Mubarak, for realpolitik reasons, he doesn't even really have the pretense to Carter's idealism, I hope JiB is wrong about that $5.00 a gallon! will crater the economy,

[Jack is Back!]

narciso,

Do you think this regime will ever go "drill, baby, drill"? He wants us to increase renewable energy so that it provides over 80% of our domestic electric supply. If Iran succeeds in Egypt (and so far they are the only Islamic nation cheerleading for deposing Mubarak (and by association the army) while KSA is backing Mubarak, we are in big trouble energy wise.

Free elections in Egypt? I don't think they have ever had real elections. First they had a King then Nasser, Sadat and Mubarak - all army. It is strong man's paradise. You get free elections in Egypt - you will get complete chaos and nothing plays into the Islamists hands like political chaos.

Just my gut feeling.

[narciso]

No, but maybe it might get the Congress to move on doing so, there is just so many raw idiocy in this administration,

[Boatbuilder]

The only way he would allow drilling in the US is in some type of deal where the Repulicans and the Blue Dogs take the "blame" (and he gets credit for keeping gas prices down). He can't afford to lose the enviros at this point--and they are more religiously rigid than the Wahabbis. It's all domestic political calculation to him.

[sbw]

Whut? Whut? Whut? was that?

Someone really ought to clue the Prez in about the danger of letting others inside his OODA loop.

[Thomas Collins]

Clarice on the storms: "OT--Mid week we are going to be hit with yet another storm from the pPlains thru the NE--Believe it or not. (Jane, I am so sorry for you.)"

Feel sorry for me, Clarice. I have a lot longer commute than Jane does!
:-))

[Ranger]

Well, latest word is that the government in Egypt now has aircraft and helicopters up, so the military is firmly under Mubarak's control now. Police are completely off the streets. Its not clear if the police are simply holding back and letting the looting go on so that the general population will welcome the police when they to return, or, if the police force has simply collapsed. Letting the looting go on does make some sense as a way to tamp down the demonstrations, as young men will now have to choose between going to demonstrate and leaving their homes vulnerable, or staying home and protecting their neighborhoods.

[Rocco]

Well this is interesting...George Soros and Mohamed ElBaradei are both on the board of directors at the International Crisis Group

And on Jan 16th, geopolitical analyst Dr Webster Tarpley warned, "Arab governments would be well advised to keep an eye on ICG operatives in their countries."

Another Soros revolution?

H/T...Infowars Ireland

Happy Belated Birthday JMH

[Frau Abscheu]

Rocco - Good grief! The members of the ICG (Working to Prevent Conflicts Worldwide) that I recognize set my teeth on edge. Aside from George Soros and El Baradei:
Mark Malloch-Brown,
Joschka Fischer(!),
Wesley Clark,
Sandy Berger (!), and
Kofi Annan.
Without a doubt, narciso could identify *all* of the group.

[caro]

If Israel survives the next two years it will be a miracle.

[Boatbuilder]

I don't see Israel waiting around for the UN or the US to work things out here, Caro.

[narciso]

Well Webster Tarpley, is a British follower of Larouche, so take that under advisement, but Malloch Brown, is a UN bigwig, who was
Vargas Llosa's campaign manager back in '90,
Joschka Fisher, was the former German foreign
minister, with school ties to members of the Baader Meinhof, yes a fine kettle of fish.

[caro]

I don't think they will wait,either,Boat,but they are ever more surrounded by crazies as each day goes by. Crazies armed by the USA as a matter of fact.

[Jack is Back!]

narcisco,

Malloch Brown is a freeking waste of humanity and they made him a Lord in which house he now sits. He is very much anti-American and probably corrupt just from being in the UN if nothing else. Anything with Soros' imprint or finger print is suspect and worthy of due diligence and caution.

[Frau Leseratte]

Malloch Brown, loyal Soros servant, has been richly rewarded for his service. Among other Soso-affiliated accomplishments, he was part of the forced resignation of Paul Wolfowitz as president of the World Bank. Yes JiB, the former journalist, development specialist, and communications consultant is now life peer Baron Malloch-Brown.

[narciso]

They seem like the Firemen of 'Fahrenheit 451,' more likely to start a fire than put one out.

[narciso]

It's like Dr. Evil's conference table, maybe El Baradei can be Will Farrell's beturbaned fellow.

[SALLAS]

all I want is a NO obampa

[clarice]

Speaking of Paul, he is rather more optimistic bout the ME than we seem to be:
http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/01/30/iraq-tunisia-and-egyptpaul-wolfowitz/

[Gmax]

The answer to your question TM is "BOTH".

[Rocco]

From the Muslim Brotherhood's official English website...IKHWANWEB

El-Baradei said that Israel only understands the language of force, adding that the Arabs should back their negotiations option with force and deterrence.

What does Obama's CIA and the Muslim Brotherhood have in common? They both support ElBaradei's coup to depose Mubarack!

Caro is right...God help Israel!

[Rocco]

And Breitbart's Big Peace shows us that IKHWANWEB's English and Arabic versions tell two different stories.

Nite all

[And the CIA with him.]

Heh, Rocco, he was practicing Taqiaea.
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[generic viagra]

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[clarice]

Moving the Vinson case decision here.

[Thomas Collins]

See LUN for some reaction from Cato Institute writers on Judge Vinson's ruling.

[clarice]

Here is the critical portion from the Cato article:

In short, if I read the opinion (plus this final judgment) correctly — quite apart from both the lofty philosophical principles I applaud Judge Vinson for adopting and the nitty-gritty technical details of his individual mandate analysis — Obamacare is dead in its tracks. Now, Judge Vinson himself or the Eleventh Circuit (or even the Supreme Court) may issue an emergency stay of this or any other part of the ruling, but as of right now, the federal government must stop implementing Obamacare.

NB: The New York Times and Washington Post report that Judge Vinson has already stayed his own ruling pending appeal, but this is an incorrect reading of the opinion, for the reasons stated above. Moreover, the court’s docket, which is now closed for the day, contains no such stay — nor has plaintiffs’ counsel received notice of one.

[narciso]

It seems a safer bet to assume the Times doesn't know something, and then be proven wrong, the Post is not quite at that level
of denial, but I recall the way I had to mentally cross out my copy of the Post when I was up there, two years ago

[Jim Miller]

On the Vinson case: I watched ABC News tonight, something I rarely do, and didn't see a mention of the case. (Though they did have a longish, silly round table with Martha Stewart and others about how to con Granny into going to a nursing home, and when to pull the plug. Lots of dubious statistics.)

If someone did see a mention of the case on ABC, please correct me.

(NBC had a brief -- just the facts ma'am -- report on the decision. I haven't watched CBS yet.)

[Thomas Esmond Knox]

Iraqi Governmant sending planes to evacuate Iraqis from Egypt.

El Baradei presumably unwelcome.

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

Analysis of Florida Obamacare Ruling: An Enlightened Decision (Jennifer Rubin States the Obvious)

[clarice]

She also shows how the administration sunk Obamacare itself

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-turn/2011/01/left_unreasoned_and_unprepared.html>Not severable

[Boatbuilder]

TM just started a new thread--after the diet thing.

[Mitchel.Osborne6826]

I am just wondering is it possible, or impossible that there are a few small groups of people who can trace there roots back to egypt and babylon? How powerful are they?

HCG Activator

[Mitchel.Osborne6826]

Thousands of demonstrators gathered again today in central Cairo after denying a curfew during a night of looting and gunfire. As many as 150 people may have died in the protests.
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