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January 18, 2011

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MayBee

It's fine to "root" for war when it's other people's problem. And few if any of those other people have anything to do with terrorism that impacts us.

Similarly, it's fine to "root" against war when it's other people's problem.

Ranger

Well, I haven't seen a single "grim milestone" passed since the Obama regime took control, so everthing must be fine now.

narciso

About that profile of Ailes, here's just a sample to make you think; hm, there's something wrong with the writer;

By "Megyn," he means, of course, Fox fox Megyn Kelly, the meanest of the mean girls, the heaving, sumptuous blond with the wide-set eyes, the briskly triangular chin, and the porno sneer she directs at ill-fated liberal guests.

Really would that be the way one would characterize Megyn if one met her.

bunkerbuster

Actually, Geraldo literally led cheers in Iraq. Don't you remember that?
Coverage of Iraq and Afghanistan is continuously evolving as the newsworthiness of events shifts. "Saturation" coverage was indeed the case when Iraq was spiraling out of control, just as heavy coverage was appropriate for the first Iraqi election under the occupation, and other key events.
But the idea that the press, or liberals, were one day against the war, then the next for it, is ludicrous...

SunnyDay

Awwwwwww thanks for all the warm fuzzies. :)

Rob Crawford

Similarly, it's fine to "root" against war when it's other people's problem.

Is it fine to root against war when that means leaving a genocidal dictator in power?

Of course, I keep forgetting how much the left lurves them a dictator. Chavez, Castro, the Chinese Communist Party, Mao, Ho, Stalin, Mussolini, and, yes, the guy with the stupid mustache. Just this week global warming prophet James Hansen expressed his aching longing for the US to be run by a dictatorship -- a statement that's a faint echo of NYT columnist Thomas Friedman's nearly monthly panegyric to the Chinese dictators.

No wonder they so hate the Tea Parties -- the idea that people should have a say in how they're governed is anathema to people who unashamedly use the phrase "his people" when discussing the population under a dictator's boot.

Stephanie

Obama original long form may be missing?

LUN

And yeah, it's WND. But the comments are on the record.

Specter

Stelers v. Packers in the Superbowl....

MayBee

Rob- I meant "fine" in the way I read anduril to be using "fine". As in...not fine.

Danube of Thought

I gather that the kid who lives in his mother's basement and can't get laid has stopped in here.

TC, I wouldn't advise Loscutoff to scuffle with, say, Kermit Washington (ask Rudy T).

Dick Van Arsdell has bought a cottage around the corner from us, and lives here in the summers, when no one stays in Phoenix who doesn't have to. He suffered a stroke a few years ago but seems almost fully recovered to me. I have chatted with him a few times but have never really gone into his playing days with him. He was the very first Phoenix Sun, and is still with them in some capacity. I will not tell him that he couldn't play today.

MayBee

Coverage of Iraq and Afghanistan is continuously evolving as the newsworthiness of events shifts.

Hilarious.

But the idea that the press, or liberals, were one day against the war, then the next for it, is ludicrous...

Who has any such idea? The press, and liberals, were against the President. The war was just a convenient weapon with which to attack him.

bunkerbuster

maybee: where do you get your info on what liberals think? They've for the most part been lambasting Obama on Afghanistan since the day he took office.

narciso

I was willing to dismiss that Jeff Stein report, but seeing as it comes from Dewey Claridge's outfit, i have to reconsider. , itIt's quite obvious that the ISI regards the Taliban as their stepchild, and Haquanni
and Mullah Omar, among their top men. Speaking of Bergen, were we, it seems the company men lied to him, when they left out the tie to Bin Laden, through Haquani, that
Coll uncovered, and Bearden seemed to have forgotten about, to be charitable

MayBee

maybee: where do you get your info on what liberals think? They've for the most part been lambasting Obama on Afghanistan since the day he took office.

Sorry if I was unclear. Some of them hate Afghanistan. The ones that didn't vote for Iraq usually hated Iraq.
But it was used to beat up on Bush. It is not the top story on the news every day any more because the President has changed.

daddy

Chicago Tribune Headline:

">http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/clout_st/2011/01/clinton-campaigning-in-chicago-for-emanuel-today.html"> "Clinton endorses Emanuel, fires back at critics."

FIRES BACK!!!

I guess they didn't get the Kumbaya message over there, like ">http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/01/18/cnn_apologizes_for_guest_using_term_crosshairs.html"> CNN did.

Danube of Thought

Sheila Jackson Lee has a J.D. from the University of Virginia Law School. How dumb is she? This dumb:

Arguing that the Commerce Clause provides the constitutional basis for ObamaCare, Jackson Lee said repealing the law by passing Republicans' H.R. 2 violates both the Fifth Amendment's right to due process and the Fourteenth Amendment's equal protection clause.

“The Fifth Amendment speaks specifically to denying someone their life and liberty without due process," she said in a speech on the House floor moments ago.

This is quite astonishing. What kind of affirmative action program was that school running back in the 70's?

Melinda Romanoff

daddy-

Gary Chico brought up Rahm's Fannie cash and utter lack of oversight. Billie Bob considered that "bad form".

For us locals, that's a cue to see whether Rahm can take a punch. From where I sit, Billie Bob had to back up the "mouth", he couldn't do it for himself.

Telling.

narciso

Moseley Braun and Emmanuel, what kind of fresh hell is this. I think Zombie William
Hale Thompson is a better deal.

Melinda Romanoff

DoT-

A mimeograph machine.

clarice

DoT and IIRC, she was a graduate of Yale as well. Dumber than Lee you cannot get.

Melinda Romanoff

narciso-

"Big Bill" was a Republican. He lost to Anton Cermak, who got shot next to FDR in Miami in '33.

JohnBoy

Not only is the media rolling over Iraq/Afghanistan, the media has rolled over on the following:

1) Fannie and Freddie with $5T in mortgage holdings;
2) +$3T added to the debt in 2 years;
3) $3.00 gasoline;
4) no jobs;
5) the ridiculous healthcare bill

Buy - hey look - Sarah Palin said something!

clarice

Thanks, DoT
http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/wp-admin/post.php?post=2113&action=edit

anduril

Similarly, it's fine to "root" against war when it's other people's problem.

Absurdly simplistic, strawman game playing. I'm not a pacifist. My problems with Bushie's wars are 1) they have not advanced US interests, 2) they have harmed innocent people and unleashed forces that we can't control, and 3) they fail to address root causes.

I have no love lost for Salafists or Wahabbis or whatever, but we've done nothing to address that problem. Instead, we blundered into these wars without serious planning for consequences that were readily foreseeable--because those who led us were wearing ideological blinders.

Is it fine to root against war when that means leaving a genocidal dictator in power?

Of course, I keep forgetting how much the left lurves them a dictator. Chavez, Castro, the Chinese Communist Party, Mao, Ho, Stalin, Mussolini, and, yes, the guy with the stupid mustache.

More absurd strawman games. Would that the world were that simple. And notice that "we" took out only two of all the terrible dictators you listed--and those two we took out in alliance with one of the worst of the bunch. The rest we left in power. It's not our job to fix all the world's problems--only those that we can reasonably address without making them worse.

clarice

Sorry
http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/01/18/sheila-jackson-lees-original-take-on-the-us-constitution/>D.U.M.B. does not spell Rosebud

MarkO

UVA, the Ralph Sampson of law schools.

MarkO

Look out. I predict another thread on the virgin birth:

Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie suggested in an interview published today that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Barack Obama may not exist within the vital records maintained by the Hawaii Department of Health.

Captain Hate

Dick Van Arsdell has bought a cottage around the corner from us, and lives here in the summers, when no one stays in Phoenix who doesn't have to.

Is his twin brother Tom still alive?

I felt bad for Rudy T getting his face destroyed (literally) by Kermit Washington but he was an idiot for charging across the floor at him after an altercation with that goof Kevin Kunnert (how's that for a trivia question?).

clarice

Niters. I must say I am stunned to see so little support for the TM for Senate proposition.

Threadkiller

--"Speaking of retirement...To what do you guys attribute Lieberman, Conrad and Hutchinson announcing retirement at this point. "--


Jane, just another one of my lousy theories but we are blessed with a good couple of years to invest in a small business.
http://www.mattbartus.com/obama-administration-reaffirms-support-for-eliminating-capital-gains-tax-on-small-business-stock/ "> Obama’s plan to “Eliminate Capital Gains Tax on Investments in Small Businesses.”

Under the proposal the percentage exclusion for qualified small business stock sold by an individual or other non-corporate taxpayer would be increased to 100 percent and the AMT preference item for gain excluded under this provision would be eliminated. The stock would have to be held for at least five years and other provisions applying to the section 1202 exclusion would also apply. The proposal would include additional documentation requirements to assure compliance with the statute. The proposal would be effective for qualified small business stock issued after February 17, 2009

These clowns have inside dirt on so much. They can, after retirement, invest directly with the lobbyists. The economy will recover and produce a massive tax-free gain. 100% Holy cow!

Charlie (Colorado)

But anyone who thinks that's the main point, I wish they'd use their narcisolator.

Imagine how much time and effort you could save many many people if you'd just get your own blog instead of continuing to highjack this one. Does TM have to start editing out your posts again?

JohnH

In one sense, the Democrats needed to win the 2008 election so that they would be forced to take responsibility for the country and have to put up or shut up over their criticisms of the war. So now that they have had to make the decisions, we realize that Bush might not be a genius, but he was ... right.
Anduril: as long as you say "Bushie" you're just a piker.

Charlie (Colorado)

Is it fine to root against war when that means leaving a genocidal dictator in power?

Apparently so.

Stephanie

Apparently so.

They are not our kind of people.

/sneer off

Their "compassion" is on their lapel lost in a melange of ribbons - for which, if pressed, the names escape.

bunkerbuster

``Is it fine to root against war when that means leaving a genocidal dictator in power?''

Not really, especially if you just finished rooting FOR a war that did just that (Gulf War I) and had rooted for that war just after rooting for an alliance with that genocidal dictator (Reagan/Bush's alliance with Saddam)
Unless of course you really think it's just a game, in which case, root for your team, by all means...

Soylent Red

the heaving, sumptuous blond with the wide-set eyes, the briskly triangular chin, and the porno sneer

In. My. Bunk.

Regarding basketball...

Big O/Bill Russell vs. Jordan/Shaq era basketball...whole different game. For one thing, they played a much purer form of the game, even in the pros, up until about the late 1970s/early 1980s. By the time the Magic/Erving/Bird threeway rivalry was in full swing it was becoming a completely different game. Alcindor/Jabbar was the bridge to Jordan, whose style was a logical extension of the move to a game centering on the fast break and the power move in the lane. You can mark the era based on the attention deficit of the audience. Robertson and Russell played a slower, more strategic game. Now it's all three point shots and above the rim highlight reels.

Threadkiller

I love it when Paul Ryan yields time to Tom McClintock.

Highlights:

But the most dangerous provision of this law is the federal government’s assertion that it has the power to force every American to purchase products the government believes they should purchase, whether or not they want them, need them, or can afford them. If this precedent prevails, the federal government will have usurped authority over every aspect of individual choice in the care of our families and can logically extend that power to every other commodity in the market.

***.
Churchill said, “All men make mistakes but wise men learn from them.”
The American people understand that Obamacare was a huge mistake. Let us acknowledge that, learn from it, and move on to enact the reforms that will reduce health costs and increase health care choices for families.


">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pe6EhrHQ18&feature=player_embedded"> Video

PacRim Jim

I read about these people in Vince Flynn's Term Limits.
Sad that the highest offices in the land are so easily occupied by determined yet incompetent people.
What it says about the average American voter is even more disturbing.

Tumbleweed723

"Not really, especially if you just finished rooting FOR a war that did just that (Gulf War I) and had rooted for that war just after rooting for an alliance with that genocidal dictator (Reagan/Bush's alliance with Saddam)"

Well, if I can decipher your gibberish, you're saying that no one should have favored victory in the 1st Gulf War because Saddam was left in power. Are you saying that you would have "rooted" for it if only Bush had continued on into Bahgdad? Somehow I doubt that.

Reagan/Bush hardly had an "alliance" with Saddam, and nobody rooted for any such thing. Does the phrase "Too bad they can't both lose" ring a bell?

matt

I'll never forget standing in a locker room with the Dream Team in Barcelona...pygmies? bah!

Robinson, Barkley, Mullin, Stockton, Malone, Magic, Pippin, Laettner (the one dud), Bird, Ewing and Drexler....

A golden age in the game. Showtime vs. the Celts vs the Bulls vs Houston vs the Jazz vs the Spurs. The game is more athletic these days, but then it's a different game.

I'm hoping for a Jets - Packers Super Bowl. There's some karmic justice for something somewhere in there. Or not. Sanchez is a good kid, and LT can shove the Spanos' noses in it. The Favre soap opera got old sometime @ 2 years ago....otherwise, I got no dogs in this hunt. Let the mayhem begin.

bunkerbuster

Ranger asserts: ``Well, I haven't seen a single "grim milestone" passed since the Obama regime took control, so everthing must be fine now.’’
Like I said, it’s not the extreme laziness and ignorance of what can be gleaned in 10 seconds on Google that damns wingnut epistemology, it’s the enthusiasm with which they embrace the idea that their ignorance is an argument in favor of their ideology.

ABC News:
Grim Milestone: American Presence in Afghanistan Equals Length of Soviets' War
November 26, 2010 5:48 PM

Firedoglake:
Grim Milestone in Headstones as Afghanistan War Becomes America’s Longest
By: Jim White Friday May 28, 2010 5:21 pm

ABC News
1,000 Dead: Afghanistan War Hits Grim Milestone
Diane Sawyer profiles some of the soldiers who gave their life for their country
03:24 | 05/28/2010

NY Daily News
Grim milestone reached in Afghanistan
by Joan McCarter
Tue May 18, 2010 at 03:10:05 PM PST
CBS News
KABUL, Aug. 27, 2009
Grim Milestone Nears for US In Afghan War
August Set to Become Deadliest Month for American Troops Since Invasion as 44th Death Confirmed by Military

CNN
Six U.S. troops killed in Afghanistan
July 30, 2010|By the CNN Wire Staff
The latest grim milestone comes amid growing frustration among U.S. citizens over Washington's strategy in the Afghanistan war, the leak of thousands of secret documents about the war, and the dismissal of Gen. Stanley McChrystal as the top military commander.

Scores more where that came from, but I'm sure there isn't enough evidence or logic on the planet to shift Ranger's view, since it was so obviously founded on the basis of neither.

Rob Crawford

Back page stories? Versus front page headlines screaming "grim milestone"? Stop trying to lie to us, bubu, we've all been paying attention.

bunkerbuster

Rob: the stories I cite are almost all from television broadcasts and indeed, from Web site front pages, not newspapers.
But thanks for diving headlong into the doo doo by demonstrating my point: wingnuts like you reflexively criticize media while simultaneously demonstrating they haven't read/viewed it.
Lying? Here's a wager for you, chickenshit Rob. I'll bet you a three-month sabbatical from JOM participation that I can find at least five references to "grim milestones" in Afghanistan or Iraq headlined on front pages of major metro dailies while Obama has been president.
Put up, or shut up...

hit and run

Clarice:
I must say I am stunned to see so little support for the TM for Senate proposition.

For old times' sake:

-----------------------
Clarice:
Hit, we run TM for Dodd's seat

Well. Glenn has been hammering Dodd for a good long while now ... and was calling for a challenger to Dodd a while back. I kept begging him to suggest TM specifically on Instapundit, I mean all those links, you know how much he likes him ... and yet, it was to no avail.

There was something or other a few weeks ago (I honestly can't remember what it was) in which I started a comment here saying I would quit my job (good thing I didn't do that or otherwise I wouldn't be enjoying this big, fat severance now!), move to CT and park out on TM's front lawn drinking a case of beer a day until he entered the race for Dodd's seat.

Posted by: hit and run | March 18, 2009 at 09:30 PM
-----------------

Joe's announcement may just call for a road trip.

bunkerbuster

TM can thank me, in part, for insulating him from the charge that he runs a hate web site. The record shows TM does not censor comments, so he has every right to say he has no truck with the blatant anti-Muslim and anti-Mexican bigotry his commenters routinely supply.
Of course, the good point about that is that his commenters -- at least the ones like DoT who just can't keep his bigotry to himself -- might have a hard time explaining their vitriol under the scrutiny a campaign for public office would bring...

clarice

Road trip!!! Road trip! Get the Death Mobile gassed up and ready, Hit.

Jack is Back!

Not knowing anything about TM except his superb blog and utter fascination with Krugman and the NY Times can any of you tell me his background and qualifications for the Senate?

/never mind even bubu is eligible if he is of the right age.

PD

anti-Mexican bigotry

For you, "anti-Mexican bigotry" = "does not consider legal and illegal immigration the same." And since you steadfastly continue to characterize opposition to illegal immigration as opposition to all immigration, what could possibly be the point of discussing it with you? Your mind is made up, facts to the contrary notwithstanding.

Ranger

Bubu,

Your ernest self rightousness in assulting my sarcastic coment is amusing in and of itself. I must have struck a nerve. But then your list just adds to amusement. Why you ask? Well, lets take a look.

Your first item:

ABC News:
Grim Milestone: American Presence in Afghanistan Equals Length of Soviets' War
November 26, 2010 5:48 PM

What was November 26th? The Friday after Thanksgiving! Yeah, there's a big day for getting important news out. No one would be out shopping or spending time with friends and family that day. So, yes, ABC broke out the "grim milestone" again, but on a day they knew almost no one would see it.

Then your second example:

Firedoglake:
Grim Milestone in Headstones as Afghanistan War Becomes America’s Longest
By: Jim White Friday May 28, 2010 5:21 pm

Really? Firedoglake? Cause that's a major news site that everyone reads (not). Oh, and using Firedoglake as an example of a major news organization just tells us how out of touch you are with reality.

And those are your top two google hits for "grim milestone" under Obama? A news story placed on a day when no one reads or watches the news, and a story posted on a moonbat website?

Maybee is right, you are just phoning it in at this point.

And, lest you think I never hear or see any news that isn't "right leaning", I will tell you that I work at home a lot, and listen to ABC radio while I do (WLS). So I get a twice an hour dose of the most left wing news out there (ABC Radio News is much more left wing than even NPR at this point). And in the last year two years I don't recall hearing a single ABC radio news story using the words "grim milestone." Doesn't mean it hasn't happened of course, but up until Obama took office, "grim milestone" was a staple of the ABC Radio News reporting.

Lets also not forget that for 6 years the left told us that their opposition to the Iraq War wasn't because they were reflexivly "anti-war", but that Iraq was distracting us from the "real war" in Afgahnistan. Now that the surge worked and Iraq is no longer a "distraction" the left is suddenly now against the war in Afgahnistan. And then you wonder why we think the left has been disingenous the entire time.

Captain Hate

Why are you people interacting with the troll, a proven liar and shill for the STM.

Speaking of the quisling media, reading Bloodlands: Europe Between Hitler and Stalin by Timothy Snyder, which concentrates on the activities of both lunatics in the area from central Poland to western Russia including Belarus, Ukraine and the Baltic States, Walter Duranty's role is singled out for excusing the murder by starvation of 3.3 million people from 1932-33 and refuting the reporting of Gareth Jones as a "big scare story". Malcolm Muggeridge, writing anonymously for the Manchester Guardian, said the famine was "one of the most monstrous crimes in history, so terrible that people in the future will scarcely be able to believe that it happened". Indeed Pinch has yet to acknowledge the role his verminous family had in suppressing it.

Captain Hate

can any of you tell me his background and qualifications for the Senate?

He's not McCain.

MayBee

Bunker- the fact that you googled to "prove" your point proves the reality. We all live in the world, bunkerbuster. There is no comparison in coverage of then vs. now. You even said so yourself, deciding that it is not as newsworthy now.
Any of your other arguments are just being pedantic.


Captain Hate

About that profile of Ailes, here's just a sample to make you think; hm, there's something wrong with the writer

What profile?

hit and run

Clarice:
Road trip!!! Road trip! Get the Death Mobile gassed up and ready, Hit.

Resolved: I will be in Connecticut on Monday.

clarice

You guys can pick the staff and outline the campaign while you're there. I can see it now "Tom, Minute Man Maguire Wins Lieberman Seat, Greenwald and Sulivan, Krugman and Friedman Rend Their Garments"

Enlightened

Put up, or shut up...

You cited 5 Grim Milestone articles, and you use a Firedoglake blog post as a Mainstream Media report?

The war in Afghanistan has been ongoing for 10 years, and you found 4 Grim Milestone articles in the last 2 years?

As opposed to the DAILY body counts reported for the previous 8 years.

Firedoglake is a better forum for you. Buh Bye.

Ignatz

--Jordan was great but thrived in an era of relative pygmies.

Not true; the median height was surely higher when Jordan was playing.--

Not sure if you were joking CH, but I meant metaphorical pygmies; as in Jordan had no great foil like Bird had Magic.
And while I agree with DoT that the talent was in shorter supply in Russell's era the fact that it was concentrated into so few teams compensates for the relative lack of talent, it doesn't exacerbate it.

Regarding Babbin, the sensible, adult response would be to acknowledge the correction about his alleged neo con status, not create the strawman that someone suggested that status was the main point of anything anyone said.

Captain Hate

Well Iggy, we've reached an area of disagreement. I really think the talent level is higher now than it's ever been and the importing of talent from other continents has more than compensated for the increased number of teams.

I realize the difficulty of picking a best player in a team game and that any choice will be subjective because you can't separate out the accomplishments of the team as a whole. I tend to come down on the side of Jordan because he won titles before and after his gambling mandated hiatus during which the team fell short. He won with disruptive forces like Rodman, who may have won with the Pistons but completely destroyed the Spurs chances when David Robinson couldn't deal with him, and the troubled Brian "Bison Dele" Williams (RIP). Jordan had no foil because he was better than his contemporaries such as Barkley, Ewing, Malone, Drexler or Shaq. He made everybody around him better to the point of setting up Jon Paxson and Steve Kerr for championship winning shots.

Just my opinion, of course, and you're entitled to yours...

Ignatz

--I tend to come down on the side of Jordan because he won titles before and after his gambling mandated hiatus during which the team fell short.--

That's precisely why I come down on the side of Russell; nothing deterred or interrupted his winning and while he had his personality quirks, nothing I'm aware of stains his legacy the way the gambling and the baseball fiasco tarnishes Jordan's.

It's the same reason I can't recognize Michael Schumaker as the greatest F1 driver; he won seven championships, but during his early career and at the end when he did face Senna and Alonso he couldn't beat them. That and the fact that he was not above cheating.
Fangio is to Schumaker as Russell is to Jordan; the same or greater accomplishments without the blemishes.

willis

"Based on the results of the Bushie/Cheney plan, it better be different if they want it to offer better results."

Cut back on spending, repeal Obamacare. That should get you 80% of the way there.

PD

Malcolm Muggeridge, writing anonymously for the Manchester Guardian, said the famine was "one of the most monstrous crimes in history, so terrible that people in the future will scarcely be able to believe that it happened".

I recommend Muggeridge's "Winter in Moscow," his 1934 satirical account of reporters in Moscow. It's fiction, but only thinly veiled.

Jack Klompus

Using the term "Bushie" repeatedly is like, so "edgy." Almost a clever as "wingnuts."

PD

Actually, Laura and George both refer to each other as "Bushie." (This was in the recent book by one of them, I think Laura's.)

One supposes the tone somewhat different when they use it among themselves, however.

Cecil Turner

I see from the quoted comments (from bubu I presume) that this has degenerated into the usual pro/anti-war scuffle. Which for one thing has less to do with presidents (since AUMFs have to be passed by Congress), and little to do with the topic (since that was conduct of the war, not go-to-war decision).

The connection is that many anti-war types propose unworkable strategies for dealing with our enemies (and oppose killing, support catch-and-release, etc.), presumably because they wish the war effort to fail. But it's not surprising they generally don't want to publicly express support the particulars, especially since the results are a prolonged war with more suffering for everyone.

And if ya'all would add bubu to the narcisolator (as I believe someone suggested long since), this thread would be a whole lot more pleasant.

bunkerbuster

Wingnut: I havent' seen a single mention of "grim milestones" since Obama became president.
Troll: Here's seven examples found on Google in five minutes and there are dozens more where that came from.
Wingnut: Liar! One of the examples is from a lefty website. And, hey, I listen to ABC Radio News, so don't tell me I don't know what liberals think.

Chickenshit Rob, still waiting to hear from you on the wager. Though I guess you at least care enough about your dignity to know when to STFU...

boris

"found on Google"

Since you can find anything on google that does not count for or against what someone else has or has not seen in everyday life since Obunkerblister became prez.

Ranger

Bubu,

I never called you a liar. I simply pointed out that your first two choices as example were very weak tea.

A more accurate synopsis would read like:

Commentor: Here's an off hand, sarcastic remark about how you don't hear the term "grim milestone" anymore now that Obama is president.

Troll: Liar!!!!111!!! I googled and found a whole bunch!!!!111!!!! I just posted them in order from google without really looking at where they were from or when they were posted... but I've proved with geometric logic that there is a second key to the strawberries... er... That the comment is a LIE!!!!1111!!!

Commentor: Well, actually it was meant as a sarcastic comment, but if you look at your first two examples, they are really pretty damn weak. And by the way, I listen to a lot of pretty left wing news content, so I think I would have hear the "grim milestone" on a regular basis, if it were still being used the way it was back when Bush 43 was president.

Troll: Worthless lying liar!!!!111!!! Admit I caught you in a lie damn it!!!111!!! And just because you listen to left wing news doesn't mean anything, cause you just... well, your a damn wingnut and that's all I need to know!!!!111!!!

So, I will just reiterate that it was a sarcastic comment that obviously struck a nerve. And you obviously didn't put much work into your list of examples because you put two very weak ones right up front (any writing instructor will tell you that you never lead with your weakest evidence).

I will also add that you have once again illustraited which side has a sense of humor and can keep its cool, and which side has no sense of humor, is perpetually unhappy, and is frothing at the mouth.

bunkerbuster

Ranger: look up sarcasm in the dictionary. You obviously don't know what it means.
Meanwhile, why not just admit you were wrong, that, in fact, as I showed, the grim milestone cliche remains in use in the media after Obama's election.
Is it really that hard for you to admit what is so obvious?

Ranger

Bubu,

The Merriam-Webster Definition of http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sarcasm>SARCASM

1: a sharp and often satirical or ironic utterance designed to cut or give pain

2a : a mode of satirical wit depending for its effect on bitter, caustic, and often ironic language that is usually directed against an individual b : the use or language of sarcasm

Given that my comment was satirical in nature, and designed to cut, definition 1a would seem to fit. The fact that most sarcastic comments are ironic in nature, does not mean that a comment must be ironic to be sarcastic. And given how strong your reaction has been, the comment did cuase pain to the person it was intended to.

So, no, I won't "admit that I was wrong" because my statement was never intended to be a "statement of fact." You might have caught on to that from the "so everthing must be fine now" phrase at the end of the sentence, which, by the way, is an ironic statement giving the situation in the AfPak region at the moment.

I was speaking in the voice of a typical "low information" member of society who only gets their news from the MSM TV and radio news outlets. Given that by your own set of examples, the most recent mention of a "grim milestone" was on the Friday after Thanksgiving, with the next most recent was 4 months previous to that, I'd say that my aproximation of the outlook of the average "low information" citizen is accurate enough for the joke to work.

I must admit that it is very ballsy of you to demand an apology from me for making a joke, given the number of times you've come here and deliberately lied, and then reposted those same lies after its been proven with extensive documentation that what you were saying was untrue.

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