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January 08, 2011

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Jane the hostage taker

Morning everyone. I"ll storm once I get some coffee in me!

sbw

Mornin' all. Happy weekend! A little snow never hurt nuthin'.

Le

Lets steal more pounds!!!

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

Just picking up where Stephanie left off on the last thread. Atlanta is about to be in the the middle of a messy weather event.

Depending on how it turns, the oncoming storm could dump several inches of snow in the area. But if it turns a bit one way or another, the area is doomed to the dreaded sleet and freezing rain which can cause accumulating ice in the trees which in turn typically causes falling trees and massive power outages.

If we could count on just snow, this storm wouldn't be too much of a problem. Even though most Atlantans freak out when a few inches come down, those of us raised the the north see it as a non-event. We just watch with bemusement and stay out of the way of the many inexperienced drivers. At this point though even the forecasters really don't know where the ice storm will hit so we will be in suspense until Monday am.

Stay tuned and think good thoughts for us.

Janet

This seems like a good thing IF it is applied to ALL organizations that get tax-exempt status.

Maybe the Dees & the Southern Poverty Law Center?

bunkerbuster

If you were a Muslim, what kind of Muslim would you be?

Neo

It's snowing in PA

Janet

If you were a Muslim, what kind of Muslim would you be?

One that converted to Christianity.

Extraneus

Atlantans surcoming to fear. Hard to watch.

Jane the hostage taker

Boy I bet NY gets cleaned up fast today.

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

Not panicking though Ext.

clarice

Janet, the tax code respecting non-profits needs revision. They are sitting on a mountain of money with no oversight. No one on the Hill wanted to touch it when the republicans controlled both houses maybe the tide has turned.

Sprinkle of snow on the ground in DC this morning.

Jack is Back!

New York may not be getting "cleaned up" today but it certainly getting "cleaned out". LUN

Janet

Parent One and Parent Two -

Janet

"Sprague said the decision to remove the traditional parenting names was not an act of political correctness."

Hah! Yeah, right.....

daddy

Janet,

Good morning. Was just looking at your Facebook photo's of Soylent Packages and see that on Jan 10th you'll be mailing him a puppy dog! (Photo 31). Cute Pic. Can you post a link to that?

Janet

Here it is.

daddy

So that's the troublemaker.

Looks cute to me.

Janet

Yeah daddy...here's my post to your question on the Flatlining thread -

That new puppy still causing you trouble?

She's good...hasn't eaten any more recharger cords!
The mighty Jess.

We live across the street from the neighborhood mini-park so lil' Jess likes to go across the street to run with the kids. There is a "No Dogs Allowed" sign there, but I ask the kids if they mind & they say no...I don't ask the parents! She'd be a great "front yard" dog if that was allowed anymore. Hang in the front yard & just greet whoever is passing by. She's escaped from the back a few times, but she doesn't go anywhere. No doubt I'll be hearing from animal control at some point in the future....

rse

Jim-

I wish the Atlanta forecasters would do a better job of differentiating between converging cold fronts and Gulf moisture that are hard to predict and weather systems that start in the west and systematically head east.

The Sunday/Monday storm is the latter as was the March 1993 blizzard and the legendary 1982 Snowjam (it hit just before rush hour and no one could get out of parking garages). This tend to come as predicted but too many do not listen because they remember earlier false alarms.

My kids have never really seen a weather event where roads remained impassable for days and power was out for days.

My job at the grocery store was to get food that could be cooked on the stove with manually lit burners.

No one seems to want to flee to the beach while we can.

daddy

Good looking hound dog.

I'm guessing part Beagle, part Lab, part Red Skin fan, and very little Democrat.

bunkerbuster

Janet answers: ``One that converted to Christianity.''

Begging the question, but your response is revealing in one aspect: Presumably, you'd be EXACTLY the same kind of Jew, Hindu, Buddhist, Zoroastrian or atheist.

Janet

I'm guessing part Beagle, part Lab, part Red Skin fan, and very little Democrat.

Correct....with a dash of Terrier. A dawg!

Melinda Romanoff

A Beagador!

Melinda Romanoff

(Cute pup, BTW)

Threadkiller

Where is Specter? He was talking about Convair a few of threads back.

">http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/jan/06/did-you-help-build-b-24s-and-pbys/"> Did you help build B-24 Liberator bombers or PBY patrol planes at Consolidated Aircraft in San Diego?


Did you help build B-24 Liberator bombers or PBY patrol planes at Consolidated Aircraft in San Diego? If so, we'd like to talk to you. We're also looking for people who worked on the B-36 Peacekeeper and the Atlas boosters.
The reason?
We're preparing to publish a story about the history of the aircraft industry in San Diego. The story will be part of our Centennial of Naval Aviation coverage. If you'd like to talk, call U-T science and defense writer Gary Robbins at 619-293-1228, or send him an email at gary.robbins@uniontrib.com

I thought it was a Peacemaker

Jack is Back!

What the hell does a B-24 and B-36 have to do with Naval Aviation except for the fact that after they crashed (which had high probability at times) the Navy may have ended up using a PBY to spot their life raft and end up rescuing the crew.

By the way, as a young man stationed with my Air Force dad in Newfoundland I had the opportunity to fly in a PBY as well as the SA-16 Albatross by Grumman. I still wonder why commercial aviation has not taken advantage of water based operations over the expensive land based commercial airport operations that cost an arm and leg and daddy's Visa card maximum:)

bgates

A meditation in the style of daddy:

Sir Alexander Blackie William Kennedy, Ll.D., F.R.S., F.R.G.S., was quite an impressive fellow. In 1874 at the age of 27 he was appointed to the chair of Engineering at University College, London, and before he was done he had been made president of the Institution of Civil Engineers, president of the Institution of Mechanical Engineers, and a fellow of the Royal Society, among others. He also had time to develop an interest in photography, and was one of the first to document the ruins of Petra in the early 1920s.

Petra is probably best-known in this country as the location used as the resting place of the Holy Grail in the movie Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, starring Harrison Ford.

A few years after that movie, Harrison Ford starred in Air Force One, an action movie with an unusually strong cast - Ford, Glenn Close, William H Macy, Jurgen Prochnow, among others. A good way way to win money in a bar is to bet that nobody can identify the richest actor/actress in Air Force One. The answer is Liesel Matthews, who played the President's daughter. She's an heiress to the Hyatt Hotels fortune. (Actually, Liesel Matthews is her stage name; her real name is Liesel Anne Pritzker. Her aunt was Obama's national campaign chair in 2008, and her grandfather is the reason why the med school associated with Michelle's former employer the University of Chicago Hospital is called the Pritzker School of Medicine.)

If somebody offered me that bet (before I found out the answer), I would have figured it was a trick, and guessed Gary Oldman, who really ought to be the richest actor anywhere. While I'm writing this, I'm watching him in the shamefully enjoyable Bram Stoker's Dracula. He plays the title role, and claims to be a descendant of Atilla the Hun. One of his co-stars, Cary Elwes, has in real life an even more interesting pedigree than that.

Cary Elwes is a descendant of John Elwes, who Wikipedia says was the inspiration for Ebenezer Scrooge in the much-beloved (and -filmed) "A Christmas Carol", though the biographical sketch they provide makes him sound eccentrically cheap rather than mean-spirited. In fact, the quote provided from "his friend and biographer, Mr. Topham" is:

"...his public character lives after him pure and without stain. In private life, he was chiefly an enemy to himself. To others, he lent much; to himself, he denied everything. But in the pursuit of his property, or in the recovery of it, I have it not in my remembrance one unkind thing that ever was done by him."

I don't know if any of the Elwes fortune made it down to the present day, but Cary Elwes may also have been in for a decent inheritance on his mother's side - she's a niece of Yugoslavian shipping magnate Vane Ivanovic. Probably not, though, because her family disapproved of her marriage to Dominick Elwes. And when I say "disapproved", I mean her father took out a restraining order. They had to flee the country to get married, ending up tying the knot in Havana at Meyer Lansky's hotel in 1958; and speaking of fleeing countries, found themselves on a raft to Miami early in 1959 for basically the same reason everybody else flees Havana on rafts to Miami.

So I guess Cary Elwes probably didn't end up inheriting any money from either John Elwes or Vane Ivanovic. Lucky for him the acting gig is working out pretty well. Plus if he ever needs to take up a trade, there's some chance he's inherited a bit of mechanical aptitude - his great-great-grandfather was Sir Alexander Blackie William Kennedy, Ll.D., F.R.S., F.R.G.S.

MarkO

Aren't the various videos of John Wheeler chilling? Not just because they show him in such decline, but because they exist at all. You do realize that there is no such thing as privacy. In any public place in a city, we are now on video. Who has access to these and to what purpose may they be put?

clarice

daddy, I want to go on one of those quiz shows partnered up with you, baby.

narciso

I agree with you JiB, seeing as Curtiss was the founder of naval aviation, and his enterprises started back east, they just press releases now, and they don't bother to do any original research for their stories,

clarice

narciso. I also want you on my quiz show team.

daddy

Concerning Mercury poisoning:

Like the rest of you, I am waiting with baited breath to find out if Kepler murdered Tycho Brahe in 1601 by Mercury poisoning. But that 400 year late autopsy taking a bit longer than expected, here's a Mercury poisoning topic one of us JOMer's may actually be able to do something about.

Glasater, have you got a metal detector?

I ask, because while researching this fascinating topic I discovered that Dr Benjamin Rush, Declaration of Independence signer, believed a great way to fight diseases was to poison them out of the body with Mercury Tablets. My current Science/History read says "Dr Rush made patients ingest the solution (Mercury) until they drooled, and often peoples teeth and hair fell out after weeks or months of continuous treatment."

In 1803 Dr Rush, eager to help President Thomas Jefferson, contributed 600 Mercury Laxatives (Known as Thunderclappers) to the outgoing Lewis and Clark Expedition to explore the Louisiana Purchase. These "Thunderclappers" each 4 times the size of an aspirin, apparently ran through the intestines like a steam locomotive when taken for constipation. Even better, book sez that "As a handy side effect, Dr Rush's pills have enabled modern archeologists to track down campsites used by the explorers."

The Louis and Clark fans among us will recall what dreadful constipation those hardy explorers experienced once they crossed the Rockies and transitioned to the "grain and fish diets"* of Glasaters western Washington. Which is why Glasater, with just a little undaunted courage on your part, plus a metal detector, I think you might be able to "Wow" us all with some great photos of newly discovered toilets of Meriwether and Willy! Who among us wouldn't love to see some original "where Sacajawea shat" shots?

Anyhow, while waiting for the official Brahe post-mortem, I would happily chip in for any expenses incurred in your production of The Latrine's of Lewis and Clark. Who's with me?


*(See TM's following post on the wonderfulness of that grain and fish chow)

Neo

Jayson Blair redux ...

... in a story examining for-profit colleges (here's the cached version), Sgobbo "invented a character, 'Tamicka Bourges,' who claimed she had amassed a large debt at Berkeley College without obtaining a degree." Did he ever! Bourges' sob story is central to Sgobbo's story.
narciso

Ellyson, it turns out did fly from North Island, which is near San Diego, but it's still kind of sloppy to fold one story into
another,

Ignatz

--What the hell does a B-24 and B-36 have to do with Naval Aviation...--

Don't know about the B-36 but weren't B-24s used as sub hunters and marine reconnaissance?

Porchlight

Brilliant, bgates. I would love to know which person you started with.

Speaking of quiz shows, my buddies and I are competing in this at the end of the month. We've been winning fairly frequently at the weekly quiz in a neighborhood bar, so we thought we'd give the national championship a shot.

Ignatz

--Janet, the tax code respecting non-profits needs revision. They are sitting on a mountain of money with no oversight.--

Partially agree, but presently religious organizations are treated considerably differently than ordinary charities and private foundations.
I'm sure there are abuses in all of them, but can't imagine how giving the government the power to tax churches will not make matters infinitely worse. The last thing this country needs is a government with the power to "oversee" houses of worship.
Nor am I sure how they get around their double edged sword of "a wall of separation between church and state" in any event.

clarice

I'd make an exception for religious organizations limiting it to their religious mission and not extending it to their ancillary businesses and those designed to support single charitable institutions like a school or hospital.)

Rick Ballard

What is economics good for?

A very good piece from Cafe Hayek. I lean toward 'art' rather than 'science' with the utility aspect laying much more in the explanatory rather than the predictive realm. The now infamous Romer chart on unemployment, with and without stimulus, makes the predictive 'scientific calculation' aspect rather poignant.

Manuel Transmission

bgates, that was truly awesome. It triggered a memory I had forgotten that I was invited to present a lecture at the I.C.E. many years ago and was awestruck at seeing the names of Watt, Wheatstone, and others chiseled in marble in the main hall. My entire career rests on the simple invention of the Wheatstone Bridge.

glasater

Daddy-

I've been to the area on the Touchet River where Lewis and Clark laid over -- so to speak -- and the group worked on making and storing charcoal for a time. But it never occurred to me to take a metal detector along to check for mercury...
Can't wait for you to start reading about the travail of Marcus and Narcissa Whitman though:)

clarice

Rik, I read yesterday that Cheney says economists are the hairdressers to business.

clarice

Good luck, porch.

 Ann

OneIndia News has Breaking Gossip:

US official resigns over Mrs Obama's pregnancy?

Where is that expert Andrew Sullivan? :)


Ignatz

Just for bubu a story from AmSpec on the religion of piece and its benevolent rites regarding the assassination of the Pakistani governor who had the temerity to suggest perhaps a little clemency could be shown toward a local Christian woman who, after being insulted by a bunch of muslims, had said some harsh words about the koran and was therefore condemned to death.

Yesterday when Qadri [the assassin] appeared in court, he was mobbed by a throng of admirers who garlanded him with flowers. Meanwhile, Taseer's family couldn't find a Muslim cleric to preside over his funeral.

The question isn't what kind of muslim would people reared in the relative benevolence of Judeo-Christian civilization be.
The question is what kind of muslims do we actually face. The answer is the kind who won't even bury their own, if the murdered happened to have a shred of decency toward the wrongly condemned infidel.

sbw

Has anyone seen a pointer to a graph that correlates Unemployment insurance changes to increased unemployment?

Porchlight

Thanks, Clarice. I don't often compete in anything, but when I do, I must admit I really want to win. It'll be fun no matter what, though.

centralcal

heh, Ann.

The poochy tummy isn't because of pregnancy, butt I am sure it helps the OneIndia newsfolks believe the gossip.

Besides, isn't FLOTUS getting a little long in the tooth to be having babies?

(Another) Barbara

Love what Cripes Suzette said about it on her blog: "Michelle is not pregnant because a)she's 47, and b) Who would the father be?"

 Ann

Cute dog, Janet!

(I think daddy was really checking out the next picture of all the cheerleaders. Who is he trying to fool? hahahaha)

Good Luck, Porchlight. That would be a blast to watch. Gotta love "Geeks that drink"! (Doesn't that kinda remind you of JOM?)

LOL, cc and (Another)Barbara!! That is why we need to call Andrew Sullivan. He will know who is really having the baby. HA

tea anyone

You have to check out the wonderful tribute to our guys in the military-by KISS no less. I hope I did it correctly, enjoy.

LUN

Porchlight

Thanks, Ann. Yes, I think JOMers would compete handily in this event. The only thing is, there are a lot of current pop culture questions that I really fall down on (having started a family and dropped out of anything resembling a youthful social life several years ago). Luckily I have teammates that are younger and more up to date.

Also, the weekly quizzes are decidedly not family-friendly, so apologies to anyone who might click on some of the links on that website and been a little surprised. Last year's competition had a round where contestants had to name 10 different famous drag queens from their photos alone.

Stephanie

I am steadfastly refusing the urge my southern genes are demanding that I make a trip to Kroger for milk and bread.

The current forecast calls for 7- 10 inches of snow followed by 1/2 inch of ice.

As to snowstorms and such in the south, I remember the ice storm of 70something that knocked out the power and shut down the city for over a week.

Snow jam in 82 caught me at Emory University with my 80 yo legally blind grandma for a followup surgical (cornea transplants) visit while my parents were vacationing in Boca. Took us 8 hours to get out of the parking decks and we finally abandoned the car on the road and walked to a Waffle House where I made a call to my BF dad who was a big muckety muck in the police department and managed to get a ride home courtesy of two nice officers. It caused a riot that no one else was assisted similarly.

The March 93 blizzard, I was 8 1/2 months pregnant and having contractions. Thankfully, the contractions stopped (thanks to the doctor's suggestion of having a few glasses of wine to "chill out") and I actually delivered a month later. However, the power line to the house was snapped just as GA Tech tied the game they were playing IIRC NC during March madness, and we had a power surge that took out every appliance and light fixture in the house. The microwave had lovely black smoke pouring out of it. After running into the garage and shutting off the breaker box, I jumped in the car and listened to the end of the game in the car - Tech won. Sorry heels fans. We also had the top come out of a pine tree and put a hole in the roof that looked like a VW had fallen from the sky.

Every snow storm we have trees down on our property, fences and our house. We are surrounded by woods on three sides. I can't believe Allstate hasn't dumped us.

I soooo do not like snowstorms. Nothing good ever happens.

Porchlight

Good luck, Stephanie. Maybe expecting the worst this time will produce better outcomes, like carrying your umbrella so it won't rain.

Stephanie

LOL. Hey, I DID venture to Lowe's last night for a couple of bags of snow melt...

glasater

Picture of Soylent with a date. Boy is he gonna shoot me:-)

Soylent in Australia

centralcal

Congresswoman Giffords of AZ has been shot, along with 3 of her staff. Good grief!

centralcal

Typical Soylent, he has them eating out of his hand! (And, he said he was disappointed that he didn't see even one wearing boxing gloves! ha ha.)

Janet

Pregnant? Has David Crosby been questioned?

Porchlight

Giffords was shot point blank in the head. This is awful.

glasater

Twelve others shot. This is truly terrible.

hit and run

Stephanie:
I soooo do not like snowstorms. Nothing good ever happens.

Oh I don't know about that. The idea that big snowstorms lead to a rash of births nine months later may have been http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/01/AR2010080103339_2.html?sid=ST2010080103398>debunked,but still . . . being cooped up with nothing much else to do can be a good thing.

clarice

Sorry about that shooting.

Hit, sounds like a good idea as long as Stephanie is not there with you when the storm hits.

Rick Ballard

Seven dead per NPR. The shooter is in custody.

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

According to the news articles I read, they have caught the shooter. No reports of identity or possible motive.

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

Truly tragic. The Congresswoman was only 40 years old and was having a meet and greet with her constituents at a local Safeway.

Gad, I hope it wasn't a climate denialist.

Hmmmm. She's famous for asking Petraeus about solar and water power for the US forces in Afghanistan.
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matt

this truly sucks....Tuscon has become a very weird town in the past several years, or maybe it just was and we didn't notice.

My progeny at U of A was accosted 2 years ago by an African American youth acting irrationally and begging for money at 10;00pm in front of her house; her friend found a Mexican in her bed upon arriving home one night.

Worst, my daughter was accosted by javelinas at the front door one evening.I asked if she politely asked them to leave, and she went all hysterical on me....

Progeny is highly motivated to finish in 4 years, safe to say...But this Giffords thing is just plain weird. They said the shooter was late teens/early 20's.

Neo
After reading his prepared remarks on the economy at a window manufacturer on Friday, President Obama sought to take some photos with workers when a pool reporter caught up with him and asked him to explain the connection between the drop in the unemployment rate and the lower-than-expected number of jobs added in December.
Obama's response, according to the pool:
"You know, you've got to talk to Austan Goolsbee. That's his job."
Obama then posed for some photos.
"Present !!"
Extraneus

No reports of identity or possible motive.

Actually, they're already implying it was over her Obamacare vote.

Last March, Giffords was one of 10 House Democrats who were the subject of harassment over their support for the national health care overhaul. At the time, the front door of Giffords' Tucson office had been shattered in an early morning incident.
centralcal

4 others also died, including a child.

Captain Hate

I've been following the reports of the shooting at AoS; pretty ugly stuff. Prayers to the victims.

Ignatz

--Actually, they're already implying it was over her Obamacare vote.--

Not too many things reveal the depravity of human nature better than reading a comments section [like Rick's NPR link] after somebody gets shot. It's like a contest of ghouls from all zones of the political spectrum to see who can say the most repulsive thing with the fewest facts and the most disgusting extrapolations.

bgates

Nauseatingly awful news from Arizona. My prayers go out to the families of the victims.

they're already implying it was over her Obamacare vote

It's possible. On the other hand, this formerly ardent supporter notes that Rep Giffords was one of the Democrats who voted against Pelosi as Minority Leader, declaring, "Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords is dead to me now." There is no reason to suspect the author of that post, but it does show that anger against the late Representative came from the left as well.

rse

Stephanie-

Was just at Whole Foods and there are no carts or pkg places.

We remember the same storms which is why I laughed when my daughter told me "It's Atlanta. It can't last more than a day before we can get out".

Glad the hurricane Dennis generator came north after this summer.

Neo-Present in fact if not in spirit.

narciso

Tragic beyond words, who knows who did and why, who cares at this point, but her family
has lost a mother and wife, a senseless thing.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Giffords was married to Shuttle astronaut, Mike Kelly. They are reporting the gunman is a teenager who opened fire about 4 feet from the Congresswoman and her aides. He was shot and is in custody and, obviously, toast. 6 reported dead including a child. Terrible. Giffords office had been vandalized during the Obamacare debate. She voted for John Lewis over Nancy Pelosi for Minority Leader.

hit and run

Well and succinctly put narciso. My thoughts exactly.

glasater

Am kinda with Chaco on the next thread that instincts indicate a drug cartel thing.
She was trying to get more security on the Southern border.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Mike = Mark Kelly

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Fox now being told Giffords still alive but in critical condition.

Jane the hostage taker

Now they are saying she is alive

They have the tiger by the tail.

My guess is that her heart beats.
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matt

Giffords was a conservative Dem. As I recall, she was hesitant about holding town halls during the Obamacare battle and got a lot of flack, including from me, about it. I am aghast.

The weirdness in Tucson has really hit home. Daughter just called distraught because the murder scene was a block from her house there. She doesn't want to go back now.

Her BF, a very large baseball player, graduated last December and I had asked her to take personal protection precautions. We will be discussing this again this afternoon.

I'm pretty sure it is politically related, but the undercurrents in that town are now front and center.

Evil is well afoot in this world. This is a terrible day for us all.

MarkO

I thought we had finished this in 1968. No more.

Army of Davids

The gunman is in his teens to early twenties.

If I were to guess...this is a political hit from the drug gangs who have been active in Mexico with similar hits. But I could be wrong.

What ever the case...congress should fear the wrath of voters... but absolutely never for their personal safety.

I want this person prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Prayers for the families hurt by this tragedy. Inexcuseable.

Jane the hostage taker

This will be an excuse for COngress to never meet with it's constituents - which will be no change at all in my town. I think it is amazing that she was shot point blank in the head and is still alive/


She was very critical of Obama about border security.

MarkO

Shooter now said not to be injured. Why not?

Extraneus

(Heritage.org via Instapundit.)

Jack is Back!

Bringing Master JIB back home from soccer, I tuned in Fox News on Sirius and heard the end of Steve King's interview. I am thinking what is going on - talk about a Congresswoman (who?) and a shooting and no protection, etc. Then the full rundown on what they knew at the time. But to fill in, with Giffords background and her status in Congress and as a blue dog Dem, you'd think you were listening to MSNBC instead of Fox. I mean they were so over the top it was like being bathed in honey and whipped cream. Plus the fact she was married to an Astronaut all of sudden made her a Democrat Fox could be proud of, at least for today.

BTW, I think this is the first time since Huey Long was assassinated in 1935 (?) that a congressperson has been killed by an assassain.

Porchlight

JiB, reports have been all over the place, but I think now they're saying she is still alive.

MarkO

19 people shot. Second gunman not ruled out.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

The Speaker's statement:

“I am horrified by the senseless attack on Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and members of her staff. An attack on one who serves is an attack on all who serve. Acts and threats of violence against public officials have no place in our society. Our prayers are with Congresswoman Giffords, her staff, all who were injured, and their families. This is a sad day for our country."


Jack is Back!

They are already blaming this on Palin. Kid you not. LUN

Also murdered.

Ryan in Guyana.
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MarkO

Why have we heard nothing about the shooter?

clarice

She is the first Jewish Congresswoman from Az.
The finger pointing has begun, one blogger having dug up some very disturbing anti-Giffords stuff froma very disturbed Kos poster.
One report says 19 people were shot and a second shooter has not been ruled out.

Everyone finger pointing so soon should have his fingers broken off.
It;s stupid and unhelpful.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Marko: The shooter is in jail. Since there has yet to be an official law enforcement briefing, we don't know anything about the shooter. I imagine he isn't enjoying life too much right now. I'm sure they are grilling him good.

centralcal

Shep just interviewed a friend at the hospital, State Senator Lopez (female) who is already blaming tea partiers for creating hostile environment, and said the shooter she "heard" was an Afghan veteran.

Ah jeez.

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