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January 08, 2011

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Jack is Back!

Ccal,

How old was he to be young? I thought he was my age? In his 60's? But thanks, I feel younger all ready:)

hit and run

Judge Roll got his bachelors in '69 and JD in '72,according to http://judgepedia.org/index.php/John_Roll>wikipedia.

Jack is Back!

With all due respect to the judge and staffers that were killed, I hope he gets the gas or chair for killing the child.

Extraneus

Sadly, Judge Roll is with the angels. No one much wants to talk about him - does he have a wife? children? What about the nine year old child? And the others that died today?

No kidding, cc. All day they were working on their angles, researching the Congresswoman's broken window during the health care debate and Sarah Palin's "crosshair" list. Who had time to look into the other people who were shot?

narciso

They don't give a farthing, about the truth, I have come to believe that Don Henley's 'Dirty Laundry' is not just about local news.

Extraneus

I should say her campaign office window, not the Congresswoman's actual window.

Sue

Drew M is tweeting that Andrew Sullivan has now acknowledged the shooter is mentally ill and not related to a party or movement. How convenient. He isn't a tea partier or Palinista so now we don't discuss his party or movement.

rse

Congresswoman Giffords was one of those reading the Constitution out loud just days ago.

I believe she had the first amendment.

Brings tears to the eyes under the circumstances.

Extraneus

Giffords Shooting Prompts Bipartisan Show of Support and Grief

Wow, bipartisan!

Obama said he wasn't surprised that Giffords was meeting with her constituents, "listening to the hopes and prayers of her neighbors."

"That is why this more than a tragedy for those involved," he said. "It's a tragedy for Arizona and a tragedy for our entire country."

Sheesh. Maybe people should just be quiet for a while.

bgates

When common citizens are the target, we are supposed to carry on to prove to the terrorists that they can't harm us.

If Congress had the same standards for itself that it does for the rest of us, its members would have rushed to condemn the use of terms like "crazy" and "senseless" to describe the shooter, reminding everyone that the overwhelming majority of schizophrenics are not violent, and preemptively chastising the country for the wave of anti-mentally-ill attacks they assumed would erupt from the Great Unwashed.

PDinDetroit

This guy is a certifiable whack-job.

Why can't people like this go seek help or quietly off themselves instead of doing things like this?

How could anyone anywhere near this guy not know he was sick and needed help?

Jack is Back!

PDinD,

Maybe because they are as sick as him?

centralcal

JiB: Young? Well, I was going by the picture that FNC has been showing all afternoon of Judge Roll. Pretty young looking in the picture. They don't indicate how recent the picture is!

Jack is Back!

Wow! Can you believe that run by Marshan Lynch?

Stephanie

Daddy, have you seen this?

BP PLC said it's shutting down 95% of its Alaskan oil production after a big oil leak was discovered at one of the pump stations on the North Slope, a spokesman said.

BP said it was advised by Alyeska, the company that operates the 800-mile Trans-Alaska Pipeline System, to reduce its oil production to 5% of normal levels while it responded to the incident. All other operators on the North Slope, such as ConocoPhillips, were given the same order. BP spokesman Steve Rinehart called it a "significant event."

LUN

Stephanie

The defending chumps giving up 41 to the Seahacks?

That run was incredible. Hasselbeck trying to come in and block was a screamer.

Sue

I think someone pissed off the Seahawks. I don't know if I've ever seen a quarterback running down the field with his running back. Yippee for the underdogs!

clarice

That should drive gas prices up substantially. Good thing the Administration has locked up the Gulf, too.

Jack is Back!

Starbucks beat Antoines!

Sue

I am under a winter storm watch. I had the windows open earlier today. ::sigh::

MayBee

I'm happy for the Seahawks minus Pete Carroll.

Stephanie

Dittos Maybee. I hate Pete Carroll, I hate the Aints more.

Go Falcons!

Jack is Back!

How can NBC and Faith Hill get by ripping off MNF and Hank Williams? Unbelievable plagiarism!

Sue

Who the hell is this person giving a press conference on Fox?

Sue

He's the sheriff of Pima County.

MayBee

Genius, bgates.

Jack is Back!

Sue,

Go watch the game:)

clarice

I emailed drudge asking why, with no evidence, he headlined that Loughner was a vet. That no longer appears on his site.I'm certain I wasn't the only one who write about that.

In the meantime there's this tidbit from the Az Daily News:

n a youtube.com video dated Dec. 15, entitled “Introduction: Jared Loughner” the accused gunman describes himself as a U.S. military recruit who had applied to join the Army. The Army, however, said it rejected Lougher as a recruit in 2008.

Loughner’s youtube video makes a rambling mention of “MEPS in Phoenix” a reference to the Military Entrance Processing Station in the state capital that all Arizona recruits from every branch of service pass through before leaving for basic training.

“Every United States military recruit at MEPS in Phoenix is receiving one mini bible before the tests,” it said. “Jared Loughner is a United States military recruit at MEPS in Phoenix. Therefore, Jared Loughner is receiving one mini bible before the tests.

“I didn’t write a belief on my Army application and the recruiter wrote on the application: None.”

First Sgt. Brian Homme, who oversees Army recruiting in Tucson, said Loughner applied to enlist in December 2008 and was sent to Phoenix to take a test and physical. But “he was found to be unqualified so he never joined the Army,” Homme said.

He declined to say why Loughner was rejected, citing confidentiality laws.

Jared Loughner has had at least two minor run-ins with police, according to on-line court records.

In October 2007, Loughner was cited by the Pima County Sheriff's Department for possession of drug paraphernalia, a charge that was dismissed in November 2007 when he completed a diversion program.

One year later, in October 2008, Loughner was charged with a "local charge" in Marana Municipal Court, that charge was also dismissed following the completion of a diversion program in March 2009.

Court records indicate the Marana case file is due to be purged in December 2013. It's unclear what the exact charge was.

centralcal

I think the Sheriff is drunk as a skunk. Besides being politically biased.

Sue

Clarence Dupnik, sheriff Pima County, refused to enforce the AZ law on immigration. He went off on a rant. Said AZ had become the mecca of bigotry and hatred.

Jack is Back!

Clarice,

Yep, sounds like one of those Tea Party radical right wing nut jobs being filed as high priority by a morris Deeds (once he finishes off his caviar and champagne appetizer).

hit and run

JiB
Starbucks beat Antoines!

Wait. What?

Maybe Starbucks beat Cafe du Monde. Maybe.

Antoines stands unscathed.

More than anything (because,let's face it,I couldn't have cared less about this game) seeing Nate Silver again have to http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/03/the-2010-seattle-seahawks-worst-playoff-team-ever/>eat his words is fun.

the Seahawks would deserve to be favored by just 3 points against the 2008 Detroit Lions, who went 0-16.

Now when he comes out with whatever he says about 2012,keep this in mind.

Jack is Back!

Don't think for one moment that the local Dem machine didn't put him up to this pressed.

Jack is Back!

Beignets alert! Beignet alert!

centralcal

I've seen this *sshole sheriff before on Fox News. He is anti-Gov. Brewer, anti AZ immigration law, etc. etc.

What an embarrassment to Pima County.

narciso

Here's one LUN, of Dufuss, with O'Reilly, the others are Crooks and Liars and other garbage

Sue

He is blaming the "vitriol enflaming the American public by people who make a living off of doing that". He is blaming talk radio, I guess. A question from a journalist that was cut off...if you don't know the motive why do you think...I'll answer that for you. He doesn't think. He feels. It's what the left does. They feel.

Sue

Tammy Bruce is tweeting that the prosecutor better shut this nut up. He is blaming "Arizona". Defense attorney's dream.

glasater

From Sheriff's Dupnik's presser -- he said that mentally ill people are more susceptible and will act on the vitriol spouted in the press and on the internet -- paraphrasing here.

The left says more outrageous "stuff" than the right could ever begin to do and it gets into the mainstream media more.

clarice

Jane Fonda, too, has opined that tea partiers are behind this.
who cares what she thinks?
Why does she think it's fine for the Viet Cong to shoot American soldiers, most of whom were draftees but really bad to shoot a Congresswoman? Think about it/This nasty leftist posed willingly with the Cong and their anti-aircraft guns which were set to shoot down out airmen. And that was honkey dory with her. Something for which she has never apologized.

narciso

Shep is approaching the Anchorman singularity, from which no thought escapes

MayBee

From Sheriff's Dupnik's presser -- he said that mentally ill people are more susceptible and will act on the vitriol spouted in the press and on the internet -- paraphrasing here.

Obviously, society should chance so mentally ill people aren't inflamed.
I wonder what vitriol he thinks made this guy pull the trigger?
My guess is this guy found vitriol in every word. Even grammar seemed to anger him.

PDinDetroit

It is being reported on Fox that a man in his 50's is now being sought as a possible accomplice.

MayBee

Also, the WH has released photos of Obama handling the calls about today's shooting.
Remember the outrage when Bush published photos of himself on 9/11?

clarice

Heh, narciso.
Sharp as a tack, MayBee.

MayBee

Shep is approaching the Anchorman singularity, from which no thought escapes

ha hah ha haha ha!

clarice

An accomplice? Hmmm. Maybe it's the crossword puzzle guy.

Jack is Back!

Maybe it's Dupnik?

centralcal

Is the crossword puzzle guy white, 50 years old?

centralcal

Okay, everybody, here is the real scoop.

It is all Sarah Palin's fault. Thousands of google hits say so.

Danube of Thought

The responses of Krugman, Fonda and defeated former Congressman Kagen are simply nauseating--what low, unprincipled trash.

It reminds of the aftermath of the JFK shooting. It wasn't a nutball wannabe communist loser, it was the "climate of hate" in Dallas, fostered by all the right-wing extremists.

Makes me puke.

Danube of Thought

Narciso, I guess I'd prefer that you not mention my name, since I've mentioned where I live quite often. Too much of an anti-Tea Party climate of hatred out there.

Mark Folkestad

Sheriff Dupnik is extremely frustrating to me. He is a successor to my cousin, Floyd Balliet, as Pima County sheriff. Poor Floyd has to be spinning in his grave right now.

Jack is Back!

Will Shortz is in big trouble:)

clarice

And then Hill Buzz shows us hat Kos put Giffords in their bulls eye:
http://hillbuzz.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/screen-shot-2011-01-08-at-3-05-33-pm.png?w=510&h=384>Go tell aunt Fonda

Danube of Thought

Phoenix Times:

"A classmate of the man accused of shooting Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords this morning describes him as 'left wing' and a 'pot head' in a series of posts on Twitter this afternoon."

bunkerbuster

The wingnut position:
If the shooter was motivated by right-wing politics, that won't matter, since he's so obviously mentally ill. If he was motivated by left-wing politics, the mental illness won't matter...

clarice

You know, Dot, when I first read that, I just couldn't believe it. I mean his utube stuff was so rational .

Jack is Back!

Colts score first!

narciso

Yes, just like John Nash in 'his interesting
phase'

ROA

Why don’t people who are so intent on blaming things politicians have said for this tragedy ever mention Obama’s rhetoric? Such as:

“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” Obama said in Philadelphia last night. “Because from what I understand, folks in Philly like a good brawl. I’ve seen Eagles fans.”

And

"I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face," he said.

Ignatz

Twenty years ago the media would have already framed this irreversibly as just another angry white male set off by irresponsible conservative rhetoric in general and our violent gun subculture in particular.
Nowadays not only does the internet give us the tools to instantly counter their revolting attempt to use a tragedy to silence the political speech of their opponents it also gives the nutter a soap box that anyone can access to see for themselves just what was going on in his nut rather than having the MSM filter it for us.
That the left is so ghoulish that they even try says a lot more about them to the average Joe than I think they know.

hit and run

This much is http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110109/ap_on_re_us/us_congresswoman_shot>clear to the AP:

It's still not clear if the gunman had the health care debate in mind or was focused on his own unique set of political beliefs as witnessed in the Internet videos.

It's not clear if the gunman had Guantanamo in mind either. Or Obama's escalation in Afghanistan. Or the increase in the use of drones. Or the debate over global warming. Or the failure of Mayor Bloomberg to get the snow plowed in NYC. Or DADT. Or if he thought that Michelle was pregnant. Or if he thought that LeBron should have stayed in Cleveland.

It's all so not clear.

Including whether his own unique set of political beliefs might have motivated him.

clarice

hit, I just read that article. It settled my mind. Let's destroy the AP for once and for all this year.Tatler starts up on Monday. Let's work together and I can post an eye on AP thing day after day.

Sue

Someone tweeting that the real story is a conservative dem and conservative judge shot by left wing nutjob.

MayBee

Bunkerbuster- he was motivated by his own insanity. I do not know what the people blaming Palin are motivated by, do you?

Ignatz

--The wingnut position:
If the shooter was motivated by right-wing politics, that won't matter, since he's so obviously mentally ill. If he was motivated by left-wing politics, the mental illness won't matter...--

Cite, please.

Jane the hostage taker

ABC’s George Stephanopoulos will co-anchor tomorrow’s “Good Morning America” live from the scene of the shootings in Tucson, joined by anchor Dan Harris.

* NBC’s Lester Holt is on his way to Arizona, where he will co-anchor “Today” and will contribute to “Meet the Press.”

> Earlier: Christiane Amanpour to host “This Week” from Tucson, Arizona tomorrow.

So now that we know that the guy is a left wing nut job, what on earth will they talk about?

And do we know for a fact he isn't daily kos' "blue boy"?

Rick Ballard

He's not "the gunman". He's murdering scum and that's all he is. Just like the murdering scum at Columbine. I won't use his name and I won't identify him as anything other than what he is - murdering scum.

Sue

Jane,

Do we need facts? The left doesn't.

matt

a rough afternoon.

Schizophrenia and deep and identifiable personality disorders run through so many of these assassins, including, I'll bet, a number of the AQ's and fundamentalists.

Obsessions with aliens, the end of the world, various conspiracies, or a number of other topics that can be identified seems to be the common thread.

Hoffer's theories outlined in the True Believer; self doubt, self hate, and self righteousness, combined with mental illness comes to mind.

The Leftist obsession with the Tea Party, who rather, identify first principles as their basic beliefs and are thus antithetical to the symptoms described by Hoffer, shows just how out of touch and/or politically vicious they are. Then again, a belief in first principles is a sign of mental illness to them.

narciso

It's the blind leading the blind, Jane,they will skate around the obvious like Dorothy Hamill, good thing I'll be away for the first
round

hit and run

Posted by: bunkerbuster | January 08, 2011 at 09:08 PM

You do realize that Rep. Giffords would have called you a wingnut as much if not more than anyone here.

Whatever you say here is not in defense of her -- but of your identity-liberalism.

Specter

Manifesto:

If I teach a mentally incapable troll for 20 consecutive minutes to replace an alphabet letter with a new letter and pronunciation then the mentally incapable troll writes and pronounces the new letter and pronunciation that's replacing an alphabet letter in 20 consecutive minutes.

I teach a mentally incapable troll for 20 consecutive minutes to replace an alphabet letter with a new letter and pronunciation.

Thus, the mentally incapable troll writes and pronounces the new letter and pronunciation that replaces an alphabet letter in 20 consecutive minutes.

Simple, right? Don't let the grammar police get you. Are you there, listener?

clarice

Hit, I wrote up my take on that for Tatler. Don't know if it'll go when it starts at midnight,, but I mean it folks, keep those preposterous AP stories coming.

Porchlight

The left and their pals in the media, like Krugman and the schmucks at the AP, are the ones ginning up all the hatred - by targeting the Tea Party with zero evidence.

Jack is Back!

RB,

A gee, but unfortunately we as a nation of TV Mainstream addicted morons need the assurance that he had some nefarious agenda like stealing Oprah's free cars or killing the perfect MSM dream of right wing gone wild.

peter

OT, Happy 88th Birthday to Larry Storch. LUN

clarice

Of course, why give weight to the overwhelming evidence before us--you know his own postings. Evidence is so banal. Those smarties with journalism degrees and jobs at AP look for things far less obvious than like you know actual evidence.

narciso

Well clearly he's more a moonbat, how many lives shattered today, and they have to lead with this; this is the triumph of the 'credentialled moron' in real time, if ever there was such a thing,

Jane the hostage taker

Krugman has to go over this. He is inciting violence and could get a lot of other people killed including the president. In fact I think he should be kept in protective custody for the next 20 years.

(That makes as much sense as anything on the left. I say go with it.)

glasater

I don't see how Krugman can live this outrage down Jane.

Sue

Clarice,

What is Tatler?

clarice

Deep psychological probings of the mind of a demonstrable lunatic by a third rate writer is just what I'm looking for in my daily newspaper.

I know most of you MUST feel the same. It's as enjoyable as discussing the meaning of life with college sophomores.

hit and run

I must admit,I find discussing the meaning of life with s'mores most enjoyable.

clarice

PJM is starting a new online blog called Tatler http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/

I believe it doesn't officially go on line until Monday.

Sue

Thanks.

bgates

Now when he comes out with whatever he says about 2012,keep this in mind.

Clever guy, that Nate Silver. Remember The Wager?

For each day that the high temperature in your hometown is at least 1 degree Fahrenheit above average, as listed by Weather Underground, you owe me $25. For each day that it is at least 1 degree Fahrenheit below average, I owe you $25.

I just scooped up the 16 months of temp data since he offered that bet. If I'd taken him up on it...I'd now owe him $225.

That's despite the fact that the local average "temperature anomaly" for that timespan is -1.627 F. (Temperature anomaly = daily high - avg high for that day, so if on Dec 27 the high was 50 and the avg high for Dec 27 is 72, the anomaly for that day is -22. Calculate that difference for every day from 8/1/09 to 12/31/10 and divide by the number of days, and I get -1.627F.)

Porchlight

PJM is starting a new online blog called Tatler

Really? I can think of a certain famous Conde Nast publication that might not be too happy about that name:

http://www.tatler.co.uk/

peter

Let's go Jets!

Sue

Planned Parenthood is speaking out on the shooting. Now the fool is killing because Giffords is pro-choice? Will no one shut up and not make this political?

clarice

Breitbart says he refuses to make it political, Sue.

Sue

2:45 is too much time for Manning. Dadgum it.

Danube of Thought

The Narcisolator filters out the hapless Bubu, but a couple of people's responses to him have been most enjoyable.

When the left has laid down its template, neither fact nor reason will be allowed to interfere. Has anyone yet sighted a blame-Rush-Limbaugh angle?

hit and run

bgates:
I just scooped up the 16 months of temp data since he offered that bet. If I'd taken him up on it...I'd now owe him $225.

Heh. I was tracking that for quite some time,but gave it up a while ago. Good call going back and scooping it up. Now,did you sccop up TM's home town? I was doing that for a while as well (even though TM was offering to wager on Minneapolis...)

Stephanie

The idiot sheriff in his news conference blamed talk radio. That count?

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

You were right, Sue. He and Vinatieri are tough to beat in the last few minutes. The Jets still have a bit of a breath, though.

Melinda Romanoff

Hit-

I'm not familiar with the brand of beer you call "S'Mores".

Snark aside, this action in Arizona, and the various media responses, have made me ill and exhausted with all the carp. Ergo, I won't partake.

Sue

Nick Folk. Former Dallas Cowboy kicker. 'Nuff said.

hit and run

'Nuff indeed.

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