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January 09, 2011

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MayBee

Wouldn't it be great if the accomplice turns out to be the long-lost John Doe II?

Danube of Thought

Watching (delayed) the Fox News Sunday panel. Juan W seems to be speaking sensibly, although he ain't done yet.

clarice

We need to revise how we handle psychotics. Time to drive a nail in Dr Szasz' coffin. Time to acknowledge that psychotics under medication may not be a threat t themselves or others but left on their own they will not take that medication.

As matt notes on his blog, so many of the recent violent assassinations have been by paranoid schizophrenics. It is wrong to blame their families. Under the present legal system in this country parents of a psychotic child over 18 cannot do anything to mandate his treatment unless they drive him over the border to Canada and arrange private institutionalization.

MayBee

Juan did a great job, DoT. I am really surprised at the rhetoric over this incident.

I await Tom Friedman's article about what China would think of it.

clarice

Since we cannot involuntarily commit such people easily, they now are homeless and a threat to themselves and others or living in jails ill-equipped to care for them --is this really the best we can do?

clarice

MayBee, the overblown rhetoric and blame casting is a sure sign that the Democrats know the President and their party are politically on the ropes and they are hoping for some national incident to pull them back into the ring.

MayBee

Good point, clarice. Sending the FBI director to Arizona, and releasing photos of Obama on the phone are other good signs of same.

Danube of Thought

Photos of Bush on the phone from AF-1 after 9/11 was considered "exploiting the tragedy."

What will we be told this time?

MayBee

There were some real heroes yesterday.
Real everyday heroes.

MayBee

One woman grabbed the second bullet clip from the shooter (she was injured).
Two men tackled him.
One student ran to Giffords and held her head.

Beautiful what people can do.

clarice

With the worst political class in our history and a media to match, we are lucky to be blessed over and again by real everyday heroes.

Gmax

This just in, one more meme headed for the ashheap:

The American Renaissance hate group denied knowing Jared Loughner. The founder of AmRen said they looked at their books and have not record of the Tucson shooter attending any events or being a member of the organization. They don’t know where DHS got their “sloppy” information.
Mr. Jared Taylor, the founder of AmRen, told FOX News:

“I had never heard of Loughner until yesterday. That is complete nonsense. I have absolutely no idea what DHS is talking about. We have never used the term “ZOG”. We have never thought in those terms… If this is the level of research we are getting from DHS then heaven help us.”

Specter
AZ shooter kills 6, targets and wounds congresswoman who received threats over health care

PAULINE ARRILLAGA Associated Press

8:31 a.m. EST, January 9, 2011

I guess the headline says it all...according to AP it was because of health care...

MayBee

Gad, Specter.
It's obviously a warning from the press to the Republicans to no unleash the terror that will come from re-legislating Obamacare.

clarice

Yes, there is that theme.

I remember the first time this record was played. I was a kid and briefly taken in--It was JFK's assassination where we were told he'd made the trip to Dallas which was seething with right wing furor, suggesting the shooter was conservative. Turned out he was a communist married to a Russian he'd met while abroad where he'd unsuccessfully tried to find employment as a USSR spy.

clarice

**he'd made the trip to Dallas[to make peace between factions of the party] which was seething with right wing furor***

hit and run

MayBee:
There were some real heroes yesterday
...
One student ran to Giffords and held her head.

Daniel Hernandez. A Giffords intern for all of five days when this went down.

When the shooting began,he ran toward the gunfire,not knowing whether it had been stopped or would continue.

He likely saved her life.

It's often said that a true measure of a person's character is how he acts when no one is looking. The same can be said of how a person reacts when faced in an instant with a potential life and death decision -- and the reaction is to rush headlong to help others,even though doing so puts that person in grave danger.

Daniel Hernandez,hero.

Trinculo

Oh yeah. It's the newest deflection;

It's the PSYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYCHOTICS !!!

Captain Hate

I didn't think it was very responsible of Juan W to accuse the state of Arizona as being a collection of overly angry people.

Danube of Thought

As you recall, Clarice, the revelations about Oswald's background did nothing to disabuse the press of the entrenched meme. Dan Rather reported that a room of Dallas schoolchildren had cheered the announcement of the president's death. Turned out they hadn't even been told of his death, only that they were getting out of school early.

Didn't faze Dan. He kept that shit up till TANG documents laid him to rest forever.

Cecil Turner

Y'know, except for the fact that the Judge supposedly decided to go to this event at the last minute, he makes a lot more sense as a target. He was presiding over a case where illegals sued a rancher for detaining 'em at gunpoint and turning them over to border patrol, for which he'd received multiple death threats and apparently had a security detail (for a while, at least). (

It's hard to find any good reason to get excited about Giffords (except perhaps on immigration, but she's securely straddled that issue), but health care is a particularly bad fit. I wonder if we're missing something here, especially with the police still apparently looking for some other guy. (Or maybe I should stop trying to find logical motives for crazies.)

Danube of Thought

CecilT, Google Arthur Bremer and you'll find the prototype. He wanted to kill either Nixon or George Wallace, but no one said the virulent anti-Nixon or anti-Wallace tone in the media or on the left was somehow a factor. He was simply crazy.

narciso

And Oswald went after General Walker first, one can't forget, Also wasn't the guy who
killed Lowenstein, another mixed up character.

MayBee

Cecil- In the press conference this morning, the sheriff confirmed Jared had had contact with Gifford's office in 2007, and was invited to an event.
According to @catieparker (high school, college friend and band mate), Jared had asked Gifford a question at that event and thought she was stupid.
Also according to @catieparker, the question he had asked was fairly nonsensical.
I believe Gifford was the target, for whatever reason. I don't think the reason would necessarily make logical sense.

clarice

I make a bold prediction. The only people who'll fall for this press meme are those who fell for the tea- party- hurled- racist- epithets- and-spit- at- the- CBC crowd--that is, the left's true believers and useful idiots.

MayBee

Here again is a link to Catie Parker's twitter feed.

Nobody's Fool

Narcissus;

Finally succumb to groupthink?

PaulY

Blame those who were angry because the House read the Constitution, which shooter hated. The Congresswomen read the part about peacable assembly in 1st Amendment.

Perfectly rational, perfectly psychotic.

It's pretty easy, probably. Giffords was the government to him and the government messed with his mind and his money.
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MayBee

Would Paul Krugman accept blame if something horrible happened to Sarah Palin?

MarkO

For many years I was certain there were at least 2 gunmen who killed JFK. I still harbor some doubts, but it's harder to do now. When I went to Dealey Plaza and stood in the window, I realized I could have made those shots. It was not that hard.

Harder for me, still, is the explanation of Oswald's killing by a junior mobster.

But, we all killed him. Worse, perhaps, it brought us Dan whats-the-frequency-kenneth Rather.

Nobody's Fool

"-that is, the left's true believers and useful idiots."

You mean the whole of the Media, sans FOX?

Your influence over any outcome except those leaden matzos, is a notch above absolute zero.

Specter

Here's another twist (sorry if someone already covered it):

A top House Democrat said the attack on Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) should change how members of Congress are screened at airports.

“I really believe that that is the place where we feel the most ill at ease, is going through airports,” Rep. James Clyburn (D-S.C.), who serves as assistant minority leader in the House, said on "Fox News Sunday."

Clyburn called for the Transportation Security Administration, which administers airport security checkpoints, to interact “a little better” with the Capitol Hill Police.

We’ve had some incidents where TSA authorities think that congresspeople should be treated like everybody else,” he said. “Well, the fact of the matter is, we are held to a higher standard in so many other areas, and I think we need to take a hard look at exactly how the TSA interact with members of Congress.” (emphasis mine)

So now, because Giffords was shot at an open venue (connection to airport? I dunno...), TSA should start treating congresspeople better than everyone else...Sheesh

Jane the hostage taker

I can only imagine what regulations Obama is going to propose in response to this incident. Let's see: gun control, mandatory concrete barriers between any elected official and those who come to see them, no one under 18 allowed at political events, 3 new agencies to provide protection to congress after 10 new panels investigate how best to do, the reinstatement of death panels, the control of the internet and increased IRS involvement - for a start.

glasater

I'm wondering when the most divisive and polarizing president to come down the pike make the first gesture in calming the rhetoric by admitting he is the cause of the tragic shootings in Arizona.

MarkO

He's just a typical white person.

clarice

Clyburn is a liar and an idiot. How nice that moron Nancy has him at her side.

Cecil Turner

Also according to @catieparker, the question he had asked was fairly nonsensical.

That stuff he posted on myspace and youtube was beyond nonsensical into full-blown crazy.

I believe Gifford was the target, for whatever reason.

Yeah, probably so. She just seems an odd target . . . she's politically unimportant and not really on the cutting edge of anything.

Calling all Assassins

"calming the rhetoric by admitting he is the cause of the tragic shootings in Arizona."

Obamacare killed the little girl

Specter

but she was "local" to him Cecil...

MarkO

"Obamacare killed the little girl."
I thought it was supposed to save her.

E. Holder

Specter,

People spit on Congressmen all the time while waiting to be patted down. Trust me. Racist to doubt it.

Meanwhile the DOJ will be sitting on the sidelines for this one since the shooter and victims are white.

Rob Crawford

I'm surprised 'cleo has found time to comment here between bouts of beating off to the news coverage.

You're a ghoul, 'cleo. GFY and die.

daddy

Well it's not much but I'm heartened to see that at least one Brit paper has allowed the publication of a story criticizing the Left's dishonest stampede to try to blame this on Sarah Palin and the Tea Party:

1) ">http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tobyharnden/100071004/the-unseemly-rush-to-blame-sarah-palin-the-tea-party-and-republicans-for-murder-in-arizona//"> The unseemly rush to blame Sarah Palin, the Tea Party and Republicans for murder in Arizona

I also find it interesting in that all the hundreds of links I've clicked on since the shooting yesterday, this UK Mail story is the only link with a photo of Rep Gifford's standing and taking aim with an automatic weapon. ">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1345386/Gabrielle-Giffords-shot-Congresswoman-fighting-life-Arizona-gunman-identified-Jared-Loughner.html"> Link, and scroll half way down.

It's not much I know, especially with so many headlines over there unreservedly blaming her, but any push back in the Brit media is an encouraging sign of progress to me, and especially so because being overseas so often, I am always in the position of having to fight back against the bias of the BBC and CNN International when discussing American politics.

Charlie (Colorado)

What will we be told this time?

That would be a rhetorical question, no?

Calling all Assassins

Leave it to Corncob to find a sexual metaphor in this situation. You are nothing if not predictable in your projections.

Charlie (Colorado)

Y'know, except for the fact that the Judge supposedly decided to go to this event at the last minute, he makes a lot more sense as a target.

Sometimes it's worth remembering that real life, unlike fiction, doesn't have to make sense.

hit and run

Did not know http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AtTn0v2SXuXLW5vgMy4f5JA5nYcB?slug=ap-congresswomanshot-phillies>this:

PHILADELPHIA (AP)—The 9-year-old girl killed by a gunman who opened fire at an Arizona congresswoman’s event is the granddaughter of former manager Dallas Green, The Philadelphia Phillies said Sunday.

Dallas Green was the manager of the Phillies when they won the World Series in 1980,his first season as a manager (Jim Frey of the Royals,the Phillies opponent,was also a first year manager). It was the first World Series played entirely on astroturf. The Phillies became the last of the original AL/NL teams to win a World Series. The Phillies had both the NL MVP (Mike Schmidt) and Cy Young Winner (Steve Carlton).

narciso

Kudos for Harnden, who hasn't always been so sensible,about her. Much better than Geraldo or Shep, for sure.

daddy

This ">http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=41069"> story has a New Jersey Democrat suggesting that FOX News is responsible.

Hope somebody is keeping score of who's to blame among Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck, The Tea Party, or FOX News.

My unofficial tally is that Sarah Palin is leading, even tho' her favorite books don't include the killer's fav's, Mein Kampf or The Communist Manifesto.

clarice

I saw that Harnden story. He's quite good. But it was his paper the Telegraph who led off with the first of the despicable reports.
Chaco:"Sometimes it's worth remembering that real life, unlike fiction, doesn't have to make sense."
I like that,Charlie. We ought to go to type press and offer this up in posters and paperweights and such.

clarice

*Telegraph WHICH led off...*

daddy

"Kudos for Harnden"

You bet Narciso,

But let me reiterate again that he is the exception to the rule. Simply scour the BBC or any other UK paper you can think of and the Sarah Palin/Tea Party blame meme is front and center.

This is another perfect example of why we have to get something like FOX News going international. So far all this massive conversation we're having is domestically among ourselves, but overseas the dishonest left meme is running rampant. We have to start effectively combatting the lies of the Left internationally as well as domestically. What you are seeing coming out of our trolls and Kos's and NPR's etc, is exactly what comes out of the BBC everytime I turn the damn TV or radio on over there.

clarice

Isn't Skye News a Fox affiliate?

Look at the bright side, not so long ago there was no Fox, no radio alternatives and no IT so this crap would have been more widely accepted as truth.

second amendment remedies

Go Sarah!

daddy

"Isn't Skye News a Fox affiliate?"

I think so Clarice, but even 2 weeks ago a Brit Govt Media watchdog politician was caught on tape saying how he had used his behind the scene political influence to stifle Rupert Murdoch from gaining a bigger controlling share of Sky News, apparently in an effort to better maintain control over it's programming. Think he had to resign, but unfortunately I can't this second find that link.

Narciso, Help!

MayBee

It's pretty easy, probably. Giffords was the government to him and the government messed with his mind and his money.
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Posted by: Perfectly rational, perfectly psychotic. | January 09, 2011

Very good.

daddy

Please somebody get on line quick and purge this photo of ">http://www.newsweek.com/content/newsweek/2010/10/28/target-practice/gabrielle-giffords/_jcr_content/body/image.img.jpg/1288223953125.jpg"> Gabriella Gifford's taking air with an automatic weapon. Until that's done it's going to be difficult to post one of Sarah with an automatic weapon without pushback.

Charlie (Colorado)

I like that,Charlie.

Thanks, Clarice. Unfortunately, I can't take the credit: I think I'm quoting Mark Twain.

I do like the idea of setting up a cafe press site or something like it.

hit and run

I don't know. Trying to analyze all the political fallout from this -- even to slam liberals for despicable behavior of rushing to lay blame where it most certainly doesn't exist -- is just something I'm incapable of doing right now. I can't discount the importance of it being done -- in order to keep the carp from being more widely accepted as truth.

I just don't have it in me.

It's interesting. Any time mrs hit and run sits and watches some sporting event with me -- she ends up completely intrigued by whatever personal story segment the network airing the event chooses to show. Someone grew up in a broken home. Someone overcame long odds to make it where they are. Someone has a sibling who is special needs. A parent in prison. A child who is sick. Etc. I can't stand those. I'm not investing in athletes' lives -- I'm watching for the competition and hoping just to enjoy the actual game/event. The Olympics are the worst in this and Mary Carillo is my eternal nemesis.

But here. Here I am completely invested in these people's lives. I care only about hearing who the people involved are,what their lives are like,what makes them tick,who it is that they love and who it is that loves them. I mourn the loss of lives cut short (even the 70something year olds who were killed were lives cut short),and I find myself obsessively trying to find out who they were. I celebrate the heroism of those who stepped up in a situation no one could possibly ever imagine himself being a part of. I even find myself quite smitten with Gabrielle Giffords' smile.

Politics is so far removed from my participation in this story.

That's neither right nor wrong. Neither better nor worse than any other person's experience. I'm grateful others can watch over the things I simplly can't. But I simply can't.

DebinNC

Weren't there armed le/security folks at the event prior to the rampage? This clip makes it sound like a civilian female hero grabbed the magazine and tackled the shooter, then a little later two male civilian heros tackled him and held him until police arrived. Where were police at the time of the shooting?

daddy

Here's a link to the Brit Politician, ">http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/dec/21/vince-cable-war-murdoch-gaffe"> Vince Cable, caught on tape saying he had "declared war on Rupert Murdock" and was using his political power behind the scenes from preventing Murdock from gaining bigger control of BskyB which I believe is Sky News.

Will happily be corrected as to the particulars since I'm definitely not an expert on Brit media.

Charlie (Colorado)

Hey, folks: see this symbol?


Remember this URL: http://www.tpub.com/content/draftsman/14066/img/14066_69_1.jpg

That's called a "printer's registration mark" and yes, it is used in mapmaking, as well as just about all other process printing.

clarice

That's why you're my favorite, hit.

Now that you mention that, I remember it , daddy.

anduril

Ron Kessler has a column, drawing on FBI profiling, that's well worth reading: Suspect in Giffords Shooting Fits Profile of Assassins. Of course, JOMers know better than to believe anything the FBI says, so...

MarkO

Certainly, a deranged and delusional loner would be drawn to the left, wouldn't he.

MayBee

Jack Shaefer at Slate (via Althouse) says what I was trying to say to Muggs:

For as long as I've been alive, crosshairs and bull's-eyes have been an accepted part of the graphical lexicon when it comes to political debates. Such "inflammatory" words as targeting, attacking, destroying, blasting, crushing, burying, knee-capping, and others have similarly guided political thought and action. Not once have the use of these images or words tempted me or anybody else I know to kill. I've listened to, read—and even written!—vicious attacks on government without reaching for my gun. I've even gotten angry, for goodness' sake, without coming close to assassinating a politician or a judge.

Why would anyone assume that *other* people- otherwise normal people- are going to become violent due to political rhetoric?
If you, yourself, aren't motivated to violence, why do you think someone else would be?

Charlie (Colorado)

Did you actually read the article, Anduril? Or just note you thought the headline sounded good?

Kessler, it turns out, is saying very much the same thing as the rest of us:

The suspect, Jared Loughner, 22, fits a profile of most assassins: a disturbed individual whose act cannot be explained by relating it to politics or any rational motive.

If anything, Loughner was left-leaning, according to media reports, including in The New York Times. But that is beside the point. Like most assassins, he was unbalanced and looking for attention.

Thanks for just linking the article you didn't read, in any case.

Charlie (Colorado)

If you, yourself, aren't motivated to violence, why do you think someone else would be?

Because it's convenient, I'm afraid.

Charlie (Colorado)

Deb, Congresspeople don't automatically have an armed bodyguard. Or even a police escort.

sbw

Thank you, hit.

And we use registration marks on every page, every day.

Tourguide

They wouldnt let him on wipeout.It would have straightned him out

anduril

Get a life Charlie. Yes, I read the article and, no, I didn't bother reading anything higher up the thread--why would I?

I suspect the death toll would have been even higher had he been using something more substantial than a 9mm. Small consolation to those who lost loved ones.

Charlie (Colorado)

And we use registration marks on every page, every day.

Sigh. Just another right-wing incitement.

Charlie (Colorado)

Yes, I read the article and, no, I didn't bother reading anything higher up the thread--why would I?

Because then you wouldn't look like an idiot.

Which, I'll grant, doesn't appear to be a major motivation for you.

donald

Looks like he's gay. Nttarwt. I do find it curious that with continuous repeating loops on the tube, it is not being mentioned.

second amendment remedies

surveyor's mark:

Christmas-themed hammers and sickles:

It's all quite innocent, really.

matt

left and right don't matter to the deranged. By definition, their synapses are short circuited and their interpretation of reality impaired.

That Loughner listed both Mein Kampf and The Communist manifesto as favorites shows simply a fascination with totalitarianism/statism that seems to have matched his own view that only he had the true answers.

It is the institutional and purposeful misrepresentation by the Left of those who dissent from their dogma that is more corrosive because this is done with full knowledge of the facts by people who should know better and who in most cases would not meet the textbook definitions of clinical insanity.

Charlie (Colorado)

Looks like he's gay. Nttarwt. I do find it curious that with continuous repeating loops on the tube, it is not being mentioned.

Thank the Gods for small favors.

Now, put on this pointed cap and go sit in the corner; don't come out until you've written "I will not make stupid connections to score points even if Kos does it too" one thousand times.

Charlie (Colorado)

Since when has red and yellow been a Christmas motif?

Stephanie

DIANE SAWYER (20/20, October 3, 2008): “Like Cindy McCain, Michelle Obama has also been in the political crosshairs. That comment she made in two stump speeches in Wisconsin one day….”

CHRIS CUOMO (GMA, November 2, 2006): “Senator John Kerry is keeping a low profile after apologizing for remarks that put him in the political crosshairs of both political parties and the President….”


Two more tea baggers inciting violence against politicians.

MarkO

Sorry this is long, but I don't want to misquote the redoubtable Daily Kos. Check the G's to see who is the left's cross hairs. You got it.


Who to primary? Well, I'd argue that we can narrow the target list by looking at those Democrats who sold out the Constitution last week. I've bolded members of the Blue Dogs for added emphasis.


Ackerman, Gary (NY-05)
Altmire, Jason (PA-04)
Arcuri, Mike (NY-24)
Baca, Joe (CA-43)
Baird, Brian (WA-03)
Barrow, John (GA-12)
Bean, Melissa (IL-08)
Berkley, Shelley (NV-01)
Berman, Howard (CA-28)
Berry, Marion (AR-01)
Bishop, Sanford (GA-02)
Bishop, Timothy (NY-01)
Boren, Dan (OK-02)
Boswell, Leonard (IA-03)
Boucher, Rick (VA-09)
Boyd, Allen (FL-02)
Boyda, Nancy (KS-02)
Brown, Corrine (FL-03)
Butterfield, G.K. (NC-01)
Cardoza, Dennis (CA-18)
Carney, Chris (PA-10)
Castor, Kathy (FL-11)
Cazayoux, Don (LA-06)
Chandler, Ben (KY-06)
Childers, Travis (MS-01)
Cleaver, Emanuel (MO-05)
Clyburn, James (SC-06)
Cooper, Jim (TN-05)
Costa, Jim (CA-20)
Cramer, Bud (AL-05)
Crowley, Joe (NY-07)
Cuellar, Henry (TX-28)
Davis, Artur (AL-07)
Davis, Lincoln (TN-04)
Dicks, Norman (WA-06)


Donnelly, Joe (IN-02)
Edwards, Chet (TX-17)
Ellsworth, Brad (IN-08)
Emanuel, Rahm (IL-05)
Engel, Elliot (NY-17)
Etheridge, Bob (NC-02)
Giffords, Gabrielle (AZ-08)
Gillibrand, Kirsten (NY-20)
Gordon, Bart (TN-06)
Green, AL (TX-09)
Green, Gene (TX-29)
Gutierrez, Luis (IL-04)
Harman, Jane (CA-36)
Hastings, Alcee (FL-23)
Herseth Sandlin, S. (SD-AL)
Higgins, Brian (NY-27)
Hinojosa, Ruben (TX-15)
Holden, Tim (PA-17)
Hoyer, Steny (MD-05)
Kanjorski, Paul (PA-11)
Kildee, Dale (MI-05)
Kind, Ron (WI-03)
Klein, Ron (FL-22)
Lampson, Nick (TX-22)
Langevin, JIm (RI-02)
Lipinski, Dan (IL-03)
Lowey, Nita (NY-18)
Mahoney, Tim (FL-16)
Marshall, Jim (GA-08)
Matheson, Jim (UT-02)
McCarthy, Carolyn (NY-04)
McIntyre, Mike (NC-07)
McNerney, Jerry (CA-11)
Meeks, Gregory (NY-06)
Melancon, Charlie (LA-03)


Mitchell, Harry (AZ-05)
Moore, Dennis (KS-03)
Murphy, Patrick (PA-08)
Murtha, John (PA-12)
Ortiz, Solomon (TX-27)
Nancy Pelosi (CA-08)
Perlmutter, Ed (CO-07)
Peterson, Colin (MN-07)
Pomeroy, Earl (ND-AL)
Rahall, Nick (WV-03)
Reyes, Silvestre (TX-16)
Richardson, Laura (CA-37)
Rodriguez, Ciro (TX-23)
Ross, Mike (AR-04)
Ruppesberger, Dutch (MD-02)
Salazar, John (CO-03)
Schiff, Adam (CA-29)
Scott, David (GA-13)
Sestak, Joe (PA-07)
Sherman, Brad (CA-27)
Shuler, Heath (NC-11)
Sires, Albio (NJ-13)
Skelton, Ike (MO-04)
Smith, Adam (WA-09)
Snyder, Vic (AR-02)
Space, Zach (OH-18)
Spratt, John (SC-05)
Stupak, Bart (MI-01)
Tanner, John (TN-08)
Ellen Tauscher (CA-10)
Taylor, Gene (MS-04)
Thompson, Bennie (MS-02)
Udall, Mark (CO-02)
Wilson, Charles (OH-06)
Yarmuth, John (KY-03


Not all of these people will get or even deserve primaries, but this vote certainly puts a bulls eye on their district.

bio mom

Daily Kos had a similar target on Giffords as a Democrat turncoat who should be eliminated from the party in the next election. Guess Markos is responsible for the shootings, according to the illogical nonsense out there today.

Porchlight

Cecil,

The media and the left are focusing on Obamacare because Giffords was a Blue Dog and basically lined up with the Tea Party on a lot of issues. She came out in support of SB 1070, for example.

So it has to be Obamacare, because they just know Loughner is a wingnut and targeted Giffords for wingnut reasons. Deductive reasoning - see?

Also I think they've stopped looking for a second suspect - it was apparently the cabbie that drove him to the rally, and he's cleared now.

Danube of Thought

I expect the New York Times will do a hasty retraction o the scurrilous suggestion that Loughner was allegedly "left-leaning." Besides, one man's left-leaner is another man's freedom fighter.

And already i'm seeing rumors that he was a member of a shadowy group calling itself "Left-leaners for Palin."

donald

I find it curious chaco. That's all. No agenda I promise.

Jack is Back!

Actually, I know why.

He killed her because she spelled his name wrong. You have to read the LUN. According to the FBI affadavit in the formal complaint, they found a letter from 2007 from Giffords to Loughney (no r but a y) thanking him for attending a Gongress on the Corner back then. Also so other items of interest. Like that he was going to kill her so to speak. LUN

clarice

If Slate is saying that we've won. It is a sure sign that the left has walked off the ledge with the usual media suspects in tow.

Blaspemerscondemn

Hey, tom been awhile.we had some good times.lets track down the europe media assassinations and this new O phone program.

clarice

By the above I mean, someone with brains at Slate has figured out this is costing those hurling the baseless charges more than it's hurting their targets.

Sue

The sheriff is on again. He is going to cause the man to get off. I have no idea who is in charge of this fool or can shut him up but someone in Pima County needs to.

Sue

The sheriff just admitted it was his opinion. No facts to base it on, just his opinion.

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

Apparently, the FBI has found a handwritten note in Loughner's residence:

Court documents filed in the U.S. District Court in Phoenix indicated that evidence seized from Mr. Loughner's home showed that he had planned to kill Representative Gabrielle Giffords, who was in critical condition with a gunshot wound to the head. Found in Mr. Loughner's home, F.B.I. special agent Tony M. Tayler Jr. said in an affidavit supporting the charges, was an envelope with the handwritten words, "I planned ahead," "My assassination," and "Giffords."

The details of the envelope were not disclosed.

Sue

The sheriff is old and needs to be put out to pasture.

MarkO

Pima Co. sheriff, aptly named Dupnik, just shown to be as foolish and vapid as any small town sheriff in history. He has no basis to believe the shooter ever listened to any vitriol ever. Like all liars, he said there was still time to find facts to support his baseless opinion. Taken apart softly, suddenly and for all to see.

No wonder the FBI sent out the director. This Barney Fife just left the stage.

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

Incidentally, that quote is from the latest NYT story.

DebinNC

Giffords was one of the Dems who voted against Pelosi last week.

I hope the Congress on the Corner concept is done now. Reportedly, Giffords just put up a table at Safeway and encouraged folks to stop and talk with her. I don't want to be shopping in Kroger and find, only as I'm leaving, that I'm unknowingly and unwillingly part of a potentially dangerous public event. And armed security should be required to be present at any such event imo.

larry

Anduril-something more substantial than a 9mm.
I've been assured the Hornady Critical Defense FTX 9mm bullet in my Glock 17 has plenty of stop.

Clarice-he'd made the trip to Dallas
I was less than 10 feet from him and Jackie in an open convertible at San Antonio airport the day before.

Chaco-I think I'm quoting Mark Twain. Too bad, him being gone so long. Now never the Twain shall you meet.


Jack is Back!

If you go to my LUN above you can read the full government complaint. By the way, it appears there is a different section of the US Code covering the intent to kill a Congressperson versus actually killing a Federal Judge. It seems the Judge is covered the same way her staff members who were killed. I always thought killing a Federal Judge was automatic death penalty. I wonder if Holder and Obama have the cajones to abandon their base (again) and go for the death penalty during sentancing or will they scam the system and let him plead insanity, accept it and put him next to Napolitano at St. Elizabeth??

Jack is Back!

BTW, I am watching the Eagles-Packers game out of Philly and have yet to see any fan with a knife or a gun. But there is a lot of very obese young black men pushing each other. Don't these people know that Moochelle has their lunch program in her "crosshairs"?

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