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January 15, 2011

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Sara (Pal2Pal)

Mr. Fuller has been involuntarily committed to a mental health facility.

Captain Hate

One of the reports on Fuller says that the Tea Party member who was the subject of the death threat told the reporter he will not press charges.

Bad move imo; it's time for some of those numbnuts to start reaping some consequences of their actions.

clarice

earlier in the day Mr fuller paid a visit on Loughner's parents who seemed to be away.

He certainly is a look at me junkie..

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Clarice: I think the Loughners have moved out. I saw a clip a couple of nights ago of suitcases being loaded in the car and Mrs. Loughner nearly being carried to the car. Probably a good move on their part.

Ignatz

--Mr. Fuller has been involuntarily committed to a mental health facility.--

Irony, thy name is moonbat.

Danube of Thought

I wanna see lots of on-air interviews of Brother Fuller.

Captain Hate

From Sara's linked article: During an interview with CBS 5 reporter Elias Johnson just five days after he was shot, Fuller said the shooting made him realize he would save the world some day.

Fuller also told Johnson he went to Rep. Gabriel Gifford's public event because he felt he had to "protect" her.

Wow

Rob Crawford

Bad move imo; it's time for some of those numbnuts to start reaping some consequences of their actions.

In light of his being committed, I think not pressing charges was the right move. It looks magnanimous.

And his involuntary commitment means he can't (legally) get a firearm.


Get this from the story:

During an interview with CBS 5 reporter Elias Johnson just five days after he was shot, Fuller said the shooting made him realize he would save the world some day.

Fuller also told Johnson he went to Rep. Gabriel Gifford's public event because he felt he had to "protect" her.

Yeesh. This is the guy the left was quoting with such glee just a few days ago.

Narciso

Meanwhile the lunacy continues with the new head of the gzgM, who is even more unsubtle than rauf, a contemporary of rudd, btw

Jane says obamasucks

I put this up at You Too, but I attended the MA tea party leadership meeting this morning to map out goals going forward. There was a huge sentiment against Scott Brown in the room. Someone had an article about some left wing group naming him as "senator of the year" and him saying when asked about the tea party - "I drink coffee". It wasn't until I was driving home that it occurred me that it would be very much like the left to do something like that so they could get him out of office in the next election. None of that changes the fact that he is a RINO.

Rob Crawford

I realize that getting shot is traumatic, but I suspect this guy was on the edge all along.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Fuller may be just as deranged as Loughner. Liberalism really is a mental disease.

Neo

The folks down there in Pima county must be wondering if anybody sane is left

clarice

He is a RINO, but why work against him..He did vote for us on some important points and every vote in the caucus is important. Chris Christie's not moving to Mass.


With Fuller one could say that nemesis is getting her way.

Extraneus

All this lefty talk of incivility is obviously what pushed Fuller over the edge. Have they confiscated his PC yet? I'd like to know what sites he visited recently.

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

Blue states seldom elect Tea Party type candidates. Let's not get greedy.

clarice

dakota Voice has tapped into Fuller's website. He sounds as nutsy almost as Loughner.
http://www.dakotavoice.com/2011/01/j-eric-fullers-profile-a-few-answers-and-many-questions/>Fuller in his own words

Jim Ryan

Uniting the country is a very bad idea. It means a compromise between leftism and what's right. On the contrary, the country is not polarized enough. It needs to be utterly polarized, such that the overwhelming majority has decided to side with what's right and not with leftism.

Captain Hate

In light of his being committed, I think not pressing charges was the right move. It looks magnanimous.

We can have a non-confrontational disagreement over this; hell you might be right. I just don't see what being magnanimous gets anybody in dealing with those loons. I'm tapped out when it comes to sympathy for them.

clarice

He's not being permanently committed just yet. As far as I recall of Az mental health law from this week, he simply is being observed to determine if he requires longer term commitment.

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

I think it is best to let the Tea Party guy on the scene make the call as to whether he thinks it is a good idea to press charges. At least the guy's off the street.

Boatbuilder

If I were the gentleman who was threatened, I think I'd wait to see what the guy's background, psych history, criminal record, etc. are before I drop charges. (Maybe he already has). Being magnanimous is OK, being foolish isn't.

Mad Jack

Jane: Typical Mass conservative over reaction. We can barely elect a Republican for dog catcher yet they are willing to dump Scott Brown for not being Jim Demint. Brown is far from perfect but his general instincts are conservative. 100% better than any Dem.

Jack is Back!

Clarice,

All Fuller needs is a seat next to Susan Collins at the SOTU next wek.

clarice

NYT reports that Stuxnet was tested in Dimona, the Israeli nuclear facility and appears to be a joint US=Israeli operation.

Boatbuilder

Agree, Mad Jack. Here in CT Lieberman is about the best we can get!

Jack is Back!

Two great games so far.

Coach Smith is from down the road and the Falcons are like the Saints - Cinderella. But how can anyone not want to see the Packers win especially without Favre and only being the smallest city in the NFL?

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

Isn't Brown pretty dependable on issues of national defense Jane?

Frau Krawall

Lead? Is that why Mr.&Mrs. WH are always late to everything? They *do* need to get the lead out.

Frau Krawall

""who says A must say B."

A German saying,too, DoT.
Wer A sagt, muss auch B sagen.

Mad Jack

Brown has also only been in office for a year and is up in 2012 in in a very blue state that just shutout a slate of the best GOP candidates I've seen in this state in my life. (52 years in the People's Republic)

Rick Ballard

Ignatz,

I believe Mel is correct re the Fed. The Fed is propping the money center banks, which seem to be redepositing most of the cash as reserves. The Chinese have binged on raw materials while building the empty factories (without orders) of the future - next to the empty cities of the future.

China is having a nice little flareup of inflation as a result and the world gets a bit of a purely illusory bump in commodity prices which is unsupported by any increase in aggregate final demand. IOW - you can sell all your timber without worrying much about having to actually deliver it.

Neo

Forbes laid out a pretty convincing case the Finnish-Chinese Connection for Stuxnet
LUN

Jane says obamasucks

There were a few defenders of Brown - with the complaint that he voted for the finance bill someone said that it would have passed when Manchin came in before the congress changed hands and therefore he secured some stuff for MA, so there was some defense. I like Brown cause he's cute and personable and I'm under no delusion that we are about to elect a more conservative candidate any time soon, so why not use superficial girly criteria?

I just thought it was interesting - I wasn't expecting it, in fact he was the only politician that came up. I also think the left is setting him up.

Captain Hate

But how can anyone not want to see the Packers win especially without Favre and only being the smallest city in the NFL?

I hated the Packers during the Lombardi years because I thought they played boring football. Then with #666 there, I cheered for them when they played the Cowboys but it seemed that "the joy of playing the game" always had a stinker performance; iirc the only time they got over them in the playoffs the Girls had every key player injured. Last season I grudgingly respected their performance in that Wild Card shootout with the Cards and HOF Kurt but this is the first season I've cheered for them all season.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

John Hayward at Human Events on Friday: 'You Might Be Seeing a Lot of Eric Fuller Over the Weekend'

He is also described as a vicious bigot.

 Ann

bgates:

I believe your 6:07 post was a moral imagination. Well, at any rate it was a good dream for me...Bravo!

You are a favorite of mine too.

As far as, the asinine bi-partisan seating goes, I would be okay with it if the Republicans wore suits, red ties, red pocket squares and the Democrats wore tax payer funded "Together We Thrive" t-shirts or other worldly Obama wear:

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Narciso

He voted for Start, which Matt has shown what the Russians think of it.

Mad Jack

Jane: Cute and personable is a big step up from the gargoyles that make up the rest of the delegation. Also, I like to think he's smart enough not to trust Globe flattery.

clarice

Jane, were I an agent provocateur I'd have gone to your meeting and proposed you dump Brown. Just saying.

Enlightened

Re Stuxnet - Clarice it is my pet of the year....I just can't get enough of it...it was such a brilliant stroke. So spy vs spy IMO....

sbw

NYT reports that Stuxnet was tested in Dimona, the Israeli nuclear facility and appears to be a joint US=Israeli operation.

*WHY* did the NYT reports that Stuxnet was tested in Dimona, the Israeli nuclear facility and appears to be a joint US=Israeli operation?

clarice

Yes, it was a beautiful way out of a dilemma. It was clear the europeans and UN would do nothing real to stop Iran; bombing the facilities would have been hard and led to the cowboy charge and certainly would set off a chain reaction in Lebanon and Syria because of hezbollah.

Whoever did it, God was at their side.

clarice

Why did they report that, sbw? What else would you do when you are the semi- official newspaper of our worst enemies.

Jane says obamasucks

Naw Clarice, no one was infiltrating - but my guess is the article someone was citing that suggest the far left was making him senator of the year was a deliberate provocation by the left.

I wish I had thought to find out where the article was from, but 3 hours is more meeting than I can stand on any cause.

Charlie (Colorado)

SBW, it's hard to say for sure, but this basic idea has been around the community for, oh, a couple months anyway. My guess is that this was a directed leak, and the translation from the Agency-ese would read "we pwned you once and we can do it again."

clarice

Jane, it's probably this Boston GLobe piece.
http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20101231005017/en/Senator-Scott-Brown-Named-Boston-Globe-Magazine’s>Talk about damning

Sue

I cheered for them when they played the Cowboys

Dagger through my heart, Capt'n. Ain't it enough we suck without cheering for the Packers?

sbw

I toss the pitch, Clarice. You hit 'em out of the park. ;-)

sbw

Charlie, I have been reading about the rumors elsewhere, too, so there is little to be gained by a directed leak to the Times.

I'd joke that if the Times got a directed leak, they wouldn't print it. Print Pentagon papers. Don't print WikiLeaks. I can't find a principle anywhere.

Janet

My 7:02 post was wrong. Newbusters has the video & they did say Fuller's name.

Theo

As WF Buckley used to say, support the most conservative electable candidate. Has to be Scott Brown.

clarice

*bowing*

Now for Roger Simon's thought that Siemens was in on this, assume they weren't. It still would be good for us to let people think they were. They made all the equipment the Iranians rely on and if they think Siemens is an unreliable supplier, well ain't that grand...


PD

Why, Sue. Surely one can cheer both for the Pack and that the 'boys suck.

Sue

PD,

One can, but only if they want to twist the dagger they are driving in my heart.

Narciso

Jeb is another one, who doesn't get the point of the last week.

bgates

Speaking of football, I see Obama will be doing an interview before the Super Bowl. I think it would be a nice bipartisan gesture for Sarah Palin to get a moment on Fox to reprise a hard-hitting football moment from back when people knew how to communicate civilly, in a way that wouldn't inflame the passions of the unbalanced.

PD

I don't suppose it will do much good, but I went here and wrote:

I see that FOX is going to broadcast an interview with Barack Obama on Super Bowl Sunday.

Nice way to ruin the day. Be sure to be specific about when this interview will run so that we can skip it.

Captain Hate

Dagger through my heart, Capt'n. Ain't it enough we suck without cheering for the Packers?

I didn't make myself clear; I cheered for the Pack when Favre was there and you guys had Troy and Emmitt and Irvin and you guys usually won.

Speaking of sucking, I'm a Redskins fan.

Sue

Ahhh, Capt'n...we both have reason to hang our heads in shame these days. But once upon a time...we were contendahs!

Captain Hate

Jeb is another one, who doesn't get the point of the last week.

Both Laura Ingraham and Tammy Bruce were blasting him during the week. Jeb might be a good guy but enough with the Bushes.

Captain Hate

Oh yes, Sue; for all the n00bs who despair of the ruination that The Danny has brought to the franchise, I can remember when we were on top of the world. As can you....

PD

Rush picked the Packers, so this game is in the bag.


Hm, wait. Didn't he pick the Ravens, too?

Captain Hate

I think O'Reilly will be conducting the pre-Super Bowl interview so he's been in a more disgusting bootlicking mode re Toonces than usual lately, for those that think that's impossible.

Janet

I love the idea of all the Dems wearing "Together We Thrive" t shirts for the State of the Union speech. They could be draped on the back of the seats on the little Dem side & on the podium.

clarice

HA HA HA from the Telegraph:
n its obsessive desire to promote the virtues of electric cars, the BBC proudly showed us last week how its reporter Brian Milligan was able to drive an electric Mini from London to Edinburgh in a mere four days--with nine stops of up to 10 hours to recharge the batteries (with electricity from fossil fuels). What the BBC omitted to tell us was that in the 1830s, a stagecoach was able to make the same journey in half the time, with two days and nights of continuous driving

Mad Jack

Watching and old Chris Rock comedy concert from 1999 and he's riffing on Columbine and people blaming music and movies. He says "F' that, whatever happened to Crazy?!" Nails it. The more things change...

Ignatz

--He's not being permanently committed just yet. As far as I recall of Az mental health law from this week, he simply is being observed to determine if he requires longer term commitment.--

If he is only in for observation and is subsequently cleared and released it won't have any effect on his right to buy a firearm.

Rick Ballard

Those may have been windmill worship stops, Clarice.

clarice

Why didn't I think of that, Rick *palm to forehead*

Iggie, I read the guys website. He ain't getting out quite that fast, especially with all eyes on Pima County and Az's mental health program.

Mad Jack

Buy buggy whip futures!

Ignatz

--IOW - you can sell all your timber without worrying much about having to actually deliver it.--

The sawmills usually frown on not getting what they bought and it's a killer trying to hide a thousand 150 foot tall trees.

clarice

The editors of the NYT begin their article on the Republican effort to repeal Obamacare saying the R's already refused to stop calling it the jobs-killing Act, adding "Civility apparently goes only so far".

And FULLER'S the only one under psychiatric observation?

PD

the BBC proudly showed us last week how its reporter Brian Milligan was able to drive an electric Mini from London to Edinburgh in a mere four days--with nine stops of up to 10 hours to recharge the batteries

Yeah, I don't get the excitement about electric cars. Having to slowly recharge frequently, versus just sloshing a bunch of gas in the tank and immediately getting going again, it's an easy choice.

Melinda Romanoff

Ig-

Just so you know, rayon is re-emerging as a fiber alternative.

Charlie (Colorado)

Charlie, I have been reading about the rumors elsewhere, too, so there is little to be gained by a directed leak to the Times.

What, you mean CIA would do something dumb? How could you imagine that.

Seriously, I'm pretty sure everyone knows that the Times is where "real" leaks go. If they're practicing their tradecraft, the "pwned" message probably got to some known assets as well.

Rick Ballard

"Yeah, I don't get the excitement about electric cars."

Gaia hater. I bet you even have indoor plumbing.

OldTimer

The Fuller story (see NYT's LUN) is getting more bizarre as reports evolve:

Mr. Fuller was also involved in a confrontation on Jan. 8, shortly before the attack on Ms. Giffords, which occurred at an event she held for her constituents outside a Safeway supermarket. He said in a long interview last week with The New York Times that he had argued there with a man he described as a former Marine after a heated discussion over politics. Gabriel Zimmerman, an aide to Ms. Giffords, separated the two.

Mr. Zimmerman was killed in the attack later that morning.

Danube of Thought

I will pay close attention to reports from the NY Times's new Civility Patrol. I want to see how many citations are issed to Democrats.

What with today's disclosures about Fuller, I'd say this has been quite the calamitous week for the PR program of the American left.

Packers look formidable.

Melinda Romanoff

Electric cars have another drawback.

Get in a serious accident?

No Jaws Of Life for you. Fire Departments won't cut open an electric, or hybrid for that matter, because doing so would create a haz-mat situation. (Sulfuric Acid)

FYI.

Mad Jack

No need Melinda. I'm guessing no one survives a major accident in an electric car. I'd give better odds on the stagecoach.

Stephanie

Just so you know, rayon is re-emerging as a fiber alternative.

Oh, goody. Those photo-ops of Moochelle are bound to improve. :eyeroll:

Danube of Thought

Small wonder the climate of hate and rhetoric of violence spurred Fuller to make his death threat:

The leftwing Daily Kos on June 25, 2008, called for putting a “bull’s-eye” on Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords’ district. The Kos called it a “target” list that included Mrs. Giffords, who now fights for her life after an attempted assassination on the Second amendment champion. The author of the “target” list on Kos goes on to say that perhaps Giffords should be “primaried.” In other words, Giffords was a traitor and should face a primary challenge to take her out. “Not all of these people will get or even deserve primaries, but this vote certainly puts a bull’s eye on their district,” the Kos publication reported.

(Melanie Morgan, Big Journalism) It's a wonder there are any Tea Partiers left alive.

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

The Pack is back. Rogers played a great game. The Falcons have had an excellent defense this year, but Rogers shredded them. Wearing my Falcons shirt all day wasn't enough to pull them through:>(

clarice

James Lewis does a brilliant job on the Stuxnet story--how Bush started the program, how many countries were probably involved and how the NYT shamelessly denied the Iranian threat.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/01/stuxnet_its_bushs_fault.html

matt

I wonder if anyone in the MSM is going to drive the last nail into the coffin of the Leftist narrative on Tuscon tomorrow.

The whole thing was an exploding cigar in their faces, really. In retrospect, Sarah Palin's comment was completely justified and ABC and the others simply fell into the trap.

When a plurality disbelieves the narrative, it is unhealthy for free speech, especially as various and sundry leftist members of Congress and various agencies try to shut it down.

Has there been a single incidence of Tea Party violence against their opponents? We now have a litany of leftist violence and rhetoric against the Tea Party. How does the MSM reconcile these facts?

Porchlight

I love the idea of all the Dems wearing "Together We Thrive" t shirts for the State of the Union speech. They could be draped on the back of the seats on the little Dem side & on the podium.

Janet, I'l go you one better. How about this: Repubs wear red Together We Thrive shirts and bring extras- in blue - to drape over the seat of the Dem they're sitting next to. How can the Dems refuse to put them on? And then the Republican majority would be utterly obvious to all.

Repubs can then stage a contest as to who can jump up and clap fastest at the applause lines.

It would be hilarious. And bipartisan!

Cheap Car Hire

I think the House will remain strong. time will tell.

Danube of Thought

Contrary to TM, I predict this Kumbaya thing won't happen.

 Ann

Outta the park, Clarice! Bravo!

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Extraneus

Good one, Clarice.

clarice

Thanks!

Jack is Back!

Good Sunday Morning JOM Community,

Clarice, your pieces were superb. You know what's going to happen if Dick Durbin reads this one - he is going to blame you for comparing The Won to HItler.

Now the new MFM narrative is that they have backed the Republicans into a corner and that they will have to present themselves as "civil" which in prog-speak means capitulation and let them back in unfettered.

But I think they have played too much of their hand and have no cards. If the Republicans don't go strong and stubborn on the debt ceiling, spending cuts, tax reform, Obamacare, etc. there will be payback.

Jane says obamasucks

Nice job Clarice, as always.

tea anyone

JiB,
I say let the repubs. move forward strongly but without over the top rancor, after all the civility crapola put forth by the progs and MFM how are they (progs and MFM) to respond???? They will have to respond civilly of course, or be called hypocrite? I think the MFM and progs have painted themselves into a corner.

sbw

Clarice's AT Stuxnet link.

Boatbuilder

Is Justice Alito invited to this SOTU?

clarice

It's the Delphi Technique again:

"n the 1960s, I came across a small training manual distributed by the Communist Party that showed how a small group of people – as few as four – could dominate a much larger group and sway the outcome of any action taken by that group. It was called the Diamond Technique. The principle is based on the fact that people in groups tend to be effected by mass psychology. They derive comfort and security from being aligned with the majority, especially if controversy or conflict is involved. Even if they do not like what the majority is doing, if they believe they are in the minority, they tend to remain silent and resigned to the fact that the majority should rule. This being the case, the Diamond Techniques is designed to convince the group that as few as four people represent the majority. Here is the strategy:

1. Plan ahead of time what action you want the group to take: nominate or oppose a candidate, support or oppose an issue, heckle a speaker, or whatever. Everyone on your team must know exactly what they are going to do, including contingency plans.

2. Team members should arrive at the meeting separately and never congregate together.

3. Team players should arrive early enough to take seats around the outside of the assembly area, roughly in the shape of a diamond. They must not sit together.

4. The object of the tactic is place your people around the perimeter of the audience so that, when they begin to take action, those in the center will have to do a lot of head turning to see them – to the right, then the left, then the rear of the room, then the front, etc. The more they turn their heads, the greater the illusion of being surrounded by people in agreement with each other, and the more they will be convinced that these people represent the majority opinion. I have seen this tactic used by collectivists at numerous public meetings over the years, and I have participated in it myself on several occasions when confronting collectivists in their own tightly held organizations. It works.

The only way to thwart the Diamond Tactic is to always be prepared to match it with your own team. Never take a meeting for granted, especially if something important is scheduled to transpire, such as nomination of officers. Even a simple gathering to hear an important speaker can turn into a nightmare if opponents send in hecklers. So, always plan for the worst and be prepared to spring into action with comments from the floor such as: “I want to make it clear that these people do not speak for me. I am in total opposition to what they stand for. In fact, I would like to ask them to identify themselves. Who are you? Why did you come to this meeting? What is your agenda?” If comments such as this are heard from three or four people around the outside of the room, the meeting will be very exciting, but the tactic will be defused.

Using the Delphi Technique to Achieve Consensus

How it is leading us away from representative government to an illusion of citizen participation"
[read more--including how to thwart it. IMO it's how O used the caucuses to beat Hillary]

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/42663

Jack is Back!

Clarice,

Good find.

Gee, you think Obama would know how to find an obscure Communist manual on organizing a deception?

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