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February 27, 2011

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clarice

It's true that Obama is stuck in a time warp and hasn't had a new idea since his freshman year in college, but this turnabout in european thinking should hardly be a surprise . I remember reading years ago a study that Europe would soon be awash in immigrants from the Third world,

Captain Hate

Troo dat, clarice; the European situation has been a work in progress for at least 10 years for anybody interested in things beyond our nation's borders.

PD

Isn't Sweden under assault in the form of rape warfare by Muslim immigrants against native women? Nice way to have your hospitality repaid.

Danube of Thought

Your Mahometan is not at all keen on gratitude toward the Infidel.

savethemadvertisingdollars

Whatever currency or agency O used to illegally immigrate the secret wiil come out.He and his family already asserted their Indonesian citizenship,so they'll fly them there.

Rocco

Christopher Hitchens...

Generally, though, the White House and the State Department have their timepieces and reactions set to Swiss coordinates.

This is not merely a matter of the synchronizing of announcements. The Obama administration also behaves as if the weight of the United States in world affairs is approximately the same as that of Switzerland. We await developments. We urge caution, even restraint. We hope for the formation of an international consensus. And, just as there is something despicable about the way in which Swiss bankers change horses, so there is something contemptible about the way in which Washington has been affecting—and perhaps helping to bring about—American impotence. Except that, whereas at least the Swiss have the excuse of cynicism, American policy manages to be both cynical and naive.

Melinda Romanoff

I don't know if the Swedes are too late to prevent Eurabia from coming to fruition.

But I do have hope.

Extraneus

It was an absolute stroke of genius for Mohammad to codify his predilections into what can be called a "religion." Quite likely the most brilliant thing a perverted thug has ever done in all of world history.

Frau Steingehirn

Asylum has long been the golden ring, and it's with *no* strings attached.

narciso

Reading the late Stieg Larsson, specially the last one, is like bizarro land, he didn't think Sweden was liberal enough,

Danube of Thought

They just can't mention her without the word "voluptuous." This time it's the Daily News:

Libyan leader Moammar Khadafy lost another key ally: the voluptuous Ukrainian nurse that travels with him everywhere.
Rick Ballard

Mel,

EUtopia runs on OPM. The Fine Gael victory suggests that Frankeneurope is in for another severe stress test in the near future. I don't know if Ireland will bust the stitches but I'm willing to bet that Merkel's 'NEIN' will be rather resonant.

narciso

True, Fianna Fail, had the 'shortest mandate since that pope that got poisoned' paraphrase
from Wall Street

narciso

But playing devil's advocate here, isn't that
a bad sign for austerity plans, if they are farther to the left.

Sandy Daze

27 Feb 11
Baghdad

Posting seems to be a bit slower, and as well it should with it being Sunday morning.

This is a bit off topic, but we've been talking about the piracy the last few days; and this tangentially related. Please indulge me.

Restoration of PT 658 was a labor of love for some WWII sailors. This video tells the incredible story of their effort to reclaim her from Davey Jones.

WOW: 3 5M-2500 Packard-Marine V12 Engines @ 1500 HP each !

For her size, one of the most heavily armed in the Navy, including:

40mm Bofors M3 cannon 37mm Oldsmobile M9 autocannon 2 twin 0.50 cal Browning M2 Machine Guns 2 M4 20mm Oerlikon cannons 4 Mk13 Aircraft Torpedoes 2 Type C 300# TNT depth charge
They must have believed that the best defense is a good offense with that type of armament and a fuel capacity including 3000 gallons of 100-octane aviation gasoline (AVGAS) inside a plywood hull, if they took too many hits, they'd all be crispy critters.

By the way, that fuel was consumed at max rpm, or 42+ knots, at 500 gal/hour (all 3 engines).

Q1.
I wonder what today's cost per hull would be? Sure the costs can be jacked up with Kevlar and radar absorbent hulls, etc etc. But, a basic muscle boat armed to the teeth--shouldn't be too expensive. Any ideas? USD $5M per copy? Less? More?

Q2. I wonder if these notional new PTs could be effective against the pirates off the coast of Somalia ?


Q3.
Can you imagine ?

I'm thinking along the lines of what John Paul Jones said:

"GIVE ME A FAST SHIP FOR I INTEND TO GO IN HARMS WAY"


Take good care,
Sandy

Melinda Romanoff

Sandy-

There's an ambulance version, yes, they made those too, that runs around the Eastern Shore of Lake Michigan.

And they need leaded fuel, BTW. (heh)

Sandy Daze

27 Feb 11

BTW - I forgot to mention that the 40mm Bofors M3 cannon is a Swedish weapon. So, in answer to TM's question, I'm saying, Yeah, right on, lets be like the Swedish ! heh.

Take good care,
Sandy

Sandy Daze

27 Feb 11

BTW - I forgot to mention that the 40mm Bofors M3 cannon is a Swedish weapon. So, in answer to TM's question, I'm saying, Yeah, right on, lets be like the Swedish ! heh.

Take good care,
Sandy

Sandy Daze

(oopla)

jimmyk

But playing devil's advocate here, isn't that a bad sign for austerity plans, if they are farther to the left.

I thought Fine Gael was to the right of Fianna Fail, generally market-oriented and fiscally conservative. But it sounds like they will have to form a coalition with labor, and the fact that they are talking about "creating 100,000 jobs" is worrisome.

Danube of Thought

The problem with our response to piracy is not the weaponry, it's international treaties to which we are signatory, together with certain rights recently granted to detainees under American law. We can't shoot unless we catch them in the act. A boatload of young men armed to the teeth with AK-47's can cruise the high seas with impunity.

Danube of Thought

Sandy, I will always have a soft spot in my heart for the PT's. During the campaign for Guadalcanal my father, having survived the sinking of USS Atlanta on November 13, 1942 was given the job of bringing some order to the operations of the PT's, which were newly arrived on the scene and had come very close to launching torpedoes against US ships at night. By the time the campaign was over they had inlicted some nice damage on the Japanese fleet. (You can read about this in the recently-released Neptune's Inferno, which contains the most riveting descriptions of 20th-century shiip-to-ship warfare I have ever read.)

I also had the great good fortune to know Adm. John Bulkeley, who had taken MacArthur and his family off Corregidor and taken them to safety.

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bgates

A boatload of young men armed to the teeth with AK-47's can cruise the high seas with impunity.

Then Sandy's right, we need to arm some impudent young men to the teeth and send them out. How does the old recruiting slogan go, "Travel the World, Meet Interesting People, and Kill Them".

daddy

"Despite being given only three months to live, Megrahi remains alive a year and a half after his release."

Is there a single good, decent, or honest actor in this entire episode of the PANAM bomber? If so, I haven't found him or her yet.

Sandy Daze


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Mark Folkestad

Did I miss some arcane new symbolism in the last few days? What do Hit and Sandy mean by their sole period posts over the last few minutes?

hit and run

Turning off the bold.

Sandy Daze

The conflagration spreads. . . and now, OMAN ??

Mohammed Ghannouchi, Tunisia's interim prime minister, has resigned, as security forces clashed with protesters in Tunis, the capital, who were demanding some of his minsters be removed.

Libya's border with Tunisia is being overrun
with migrants, many of them from Egypt, fleeing turmoil in Libya, aid workers say.

Omani police fired rubber bullets at stone-throwing demonstrators demanding political reform on Sunday, killing two people, and protesters set government buildings and cars ablaze, witnesses said. The trouble in the industrial town of Sohar was a rare sign of discontent in the normally sleepy Gulf Arab sultanate and followed a wave of pro-democracy protests across the Arab world.

OMAN ??? As Scooby Doo would say:

Rhut-Rhow

Take good care,
Sandy

Rick Ballard

jimmyk,

You're correct regarding Fine Gael being slightly more center-right than Fianna Fail. I believe that Kenny's 100K job blarney is aimed at slowing emigration rather than being based on a realistic appraisal of an unsustainable economy. I don't believe Ireland is going to pay their portion of the bill for EUtopia any more than the Swedes are going to tolerate Mahometans on a rape rampage.

It's a sort of grinding, slow motion crash with no survivors rather than just slamming head on into a brick wall with no survivors.

Mark Folkestad

Thanks, Hit, but you really have to be careful with that. With our current president, we desperately need to turn ON the bold! sarc/off

Danube of Thought

"we need to arm some impudent young men to the teeth and send them out"

I'm all for it. We'll need someone to pay them, and to guarantee them immunity from international arrest warrants and prosecution.. Perhaps the US could even issue them letters of marque and reprisal. Above all they should be armed with vastly superior weaponry. I am not hopeful about any of this, particularly with a sitting government that was too skittish to send military assets to effect the evacuation of its citizens from a deranged murderer.

Frau Fettdruck

Didn't PD turn off the italics once?

bgates

We'll need someone to pay them, and to guarantee them immunity from international arrest warrants and prosecution.

The payment's difficult. Are the pirates hauling in enough to make stealing from them viable? The letters of marque and reprisal should have been brought back a decade ago. Do you know why they ever stopped being issued?

The international arrest warrants seem like less of a concern. Who's going to be around to bring a complaint, and to whom would it be brought?

I am not hopeful about any of this

Oh, that goes without saying. An innovative, aggressive, and relatively cheap response to a threat to mere Americans? Not during this administration.

Sandy Daze

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daddy

Jerusalem Post sez riots in Oman and 2 protesters shot dead by police. Don't recall if we had mentioned unrest in Oman heretofore.

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Jack is Back!

Interesting thread. I feel like Forrest Gump.

I have actually had lunch with Enda Kenny when he was Tourism Minister back in 1995.

My wife just got back from NYC where she spent a few days with her college room-mate who happens to be an OB-GYN and Head of Emergency Medicine in Malmo, Sweden. She has been threatened numerous times in her hospital by Mohametans (and with weapons). Ask her what she thinks about Swedens liberal immigration policy and you will an education in Swedish profanity.

Now to complete the tri-fecta, I am thinking about getting me one of those Ukranian nurses. My back is killing me.

Sandy Daze

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Jack is Back!

:: grrrr:: you will "get" an education........

maryrose

Obama is too chicken to send any fleet or anyone person to take out Gaddafi. Where are our CIA people in all this?

Sandy Daze

I am not hopeful about any of this

daddy

"I am thinking about getting me one of those Ukranian nurses."

JiB,

You left out the word "voluptuous". Without that adjective you might as well just settle for a Hungarian or Belorussian nurse. "Voluptuous" is the ticket:)

How'd Fred's Show & Tell go BTW?

Sandy Daze

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clarice

Maybe instead of hiring unemployables to weather strip our houses and build solar panels we can get them weapons and PT Boats and set them loose near Somalia.

matt

I will be happy to be granted Letters of Marque and furnish my own craft. It could be a tremendous opportunity for adventure tourism in an age of reduced budgets.

$6,000/week and ammo priced according to fun factor.

Sandy, the same holds true for a COIN aircraft. Some in the Navy of all places are arguing for the Brazilian Tucano, which is more like a souped up cropduster.

We have the perfectly useful tool in the A-10, but the AF has been trying to kill it for 20 years, and a successor to either the OV - 10 or Spad could be designed and fielded within 18 months if someone got behind it.Take a 3,000 HP turbine, add gas tanks and guns and some armor, and voila'!

The geniuses at the Pentagon don't like those kinds of programs, unfortunately and would prefer to misdesign the LCS and build a second engine program for the F-35 that no one wants.

Then again, the next war will require something completely different.

Sandy Daze

:: grrrr::

Sandy Daze

is too chicken

Sandy Daze

the word "voluptuous"

Sandy Daze

go BTW

Sandy Daze

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maryrose

Out out. damned spot! Begone Bold!

maryrose

out, out damned spot! Begone Bold!

Sandy Daze

Matt -

The USAF has been trying to kill the A-10 since the 80s. During Gulf War One it was within a fiscal year of being mothballed, fortunately, nothing succeeds like success.

The lack of Close Air Support for warriors is why the SEALs are looking for their own platform. NavAir and USAF warfighters keep giving the middle-finger to the warriors on the ground.

There is a lot of discussion at Insty about the higher education bubble. In part this is reflected in only allowing college-educated combat aviators. I think the idea of enlisted aviators--at least SEALs for a start--is certainly an idea whose time has come.

Lets give the SEALs what they want; actually I hope they already have it.

BTW - I had some very limited involvement in a concept to bring re-manufactured AC-47s to Iraq, for the Iraqi Air force. Of course finding advocates in WDC is easier said than done. IIRC, the rebuilds would have been done in Wisconsin, (but I cannot find the file at this time.)

Using this platform against the pirates would be sweet, although I'd still opt for PTs and cutting out expeditions. Letters of marque are fine by me. There is no shortage of talent nor interest.

USD $6000 per week... seems low by prevailing rates. Does that include healthcare?


Take good care,
Sandy

Danube of Thought

Do you know why they ever stopped being issued?

No. But after posting I did some Googling and found that the US issued them twice during the War of 1812, and again to a blimp on the west coast right after Pearl Harbor. Some guys went up in the blimp with a rifle, looking for enemy subs and ships.

Ron Paul introduced the Letter of Marque and Reprisal Act of 2007, which went nowhere. I think it was aimed at Al Qaeda types and not specifically at Somali pirates, but I didn't look that closely.

The congress is specifically authorized by the constitution to issue such letters. I wonder if we have since signed any international treaty in contravention of that provision. My recollection is that if so, the treaty would not be binding on us in the absence of a constitutional amendment, but I don't think I want to head into that morass at the moment.

More fun to think about the kind of guys you could get, and the boats and weaponry suitable for the task. I believe I might have to volunteer...

Danube of Thought

Do they call the OV-10 a Spad now? The A-1 pilots used that term for their aircraft as a badge of honor--the only propeller-driven aircraft used in attack missions in Vietnam. They carried a hell of a payload and could absorb a lot of ground fire without going down.

Danube of Thought

Is this too good to be true?

CAMBRIDGE, Mass. – A Massachusetts biotechnology company says it can produce the fuel that runs Jaguars and jet engines using the same ingredients that make grass grow.

Joule Unlimited has invented a genetically-engineered organism that it says simply secretes diesel fuel or ethanol wherever it finds sunlight, water and carbon dioxide.

The Cambridge, Mass.-based company says it can manipulate the organism to produce the renewable fuels on demand at unprecedented rates, and can do it in facilities large and small at costs comparable to the cheapest fossil fuels.

What can it mean? No less than "energy independence," Joule's web site tells the world, even if the world's not quite convinced.

As far as I can tell, these guys have done this without any guidance or money from the Department of Energy.

Jack is Back!

daddy,

It went great. We had kept course map of our cruise using all the nav coordinates as of noon each day and marked it up with a orange marker. They taped it up in class and he went over the trip using a little pointer.

So much for geography.

It is now on to science and this week he gives a short talk on his planet, which is Neptune. Did you know that it has winds up to 700mph on its surface which is basically frozen methane gas. Also, Neptune has almost the same gravity as Earth, is the coldest planet with and average tep of -340F and takes 163.8 years to revolve around the sun?

clarice

Typepad''s going nuts again.
Gosh, I hope that's true DoT.

Sandy Daze

DoT -

IIRC Rockwell's OV-10 is called a bronco, Fairchild's A-10 is a Warthog and Douglas' A-1 is the Spad, all different platforms. All manufactured by companies which no longer exist. My first skipper (VA-146 Blue Diamonds, Lemoore) was a Spad driver in Vietnam. Grrrreat guy, Maggie Shaw.

Take good care,
Sandy

Jack is Back!

Getting MySql execute fails.

clarice

Me, too, whatever that means, JiB

Lion of the Senate

Chubby

sql fails ... me too

Jack is Back!

Sandy,

A-10 is officially a Thunderbolt but affectionately called a Warthog and is the only modern warcraft designed arond its main ordnance - the Gatling gun.

Scared the living hell out of the Iraqi armor during 1st gulf war.

Sandy Daze

DoT -

Don't have to tell you that when something seems to good to be true, it probably is too good to be true. WRT Joule, I looked over their website a month or so ago and was immediately struck that personnel from the current administration were involved. Sort of tells me all I need to know.*

eg:
18 Jan 11 - Joule announces the election of John Podesta to its board of directors

Just sayin'

Take good care,
Sandy


* Do I think such a thing as they indicate is occurring, is possible--?--you betcha. Do I think this company is the company which will do it--?--call me suspicious. The cynic in me believes this is a way to wash more taxpayer dollars into the accounts of identity Dems. I think of it as reparations for pasty white guys who have carried the administration's water.

Chubby

((The payment's difficult. Are the pirates hauling in enough to make stealing from them viable?))

They are making enough to be an important part of Somalia's economy.

Some quick Google results:

Piracy Boosts Somali Economy | Global Envision27 Apr 2009 ... Somalia's economy is in a fairly grim state. An estimated 73.4 percent of the country's population lives in general or extreme poverty and ...
www.globalenvision.org/2009/04/27/piracy-boosts-somali-economy - Cached


Piracy big boon to Somalia economy; hotels, restaurants sprout in ...9 Apr 2009 ... Modern-day piracy is growing quickly into big business - just take a look at the booming Somali pirate port of Eyl. Big villas and hotels ...
www.nydailynews.com/.../2009-04-10_piracy_boon_to_somalia_economy. html - United States - Similar


The Pirate Economy | Foreign Policy13 Apr 2009 ... Still, Somalis are going to have to step up. Because piracy plays a huge economic role in communities where the marauders are based, ...
www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2009/04/12/the_pirate_economy - Cached

Sandy Daze

Of course you are right, JiB. . . it is the Thunderbolt.

But I've never met one its pilot's that called it anything other than the Hawg !

ALSO performed very well in GW II. Wish I could find the slide show I have of one of the hogs returning from a combat run. Female pilot, Rock Solid, hundreds of rounds hit the bird, she brought it home and not a scratch on her.

TGC,
S

Army of Davids

Payroll unemployment numbers come out Friday.

Watching the Labor Force Participation Rate to see if it continues to freefall.

At this rate we'll be back down to 4% unemployment by November 2012 and Obama can say he saved us from a depression.

Jack is Back!

Sandy,

You are 100! It is a warthog to everyone except the Fairchid-Republic parts manual:)

Basically indestructable. I have seen post-op pics of one that had over 100 flak bruises and 50 cal holes all over the fuselage. They reloaded her and gas her up and sent her right back out. May have been the babe's?

clarice

It's funny--moments ago all these comments disappeared and now they've returned. (Do I hear the theme song from "The Twilight Zone"?)

Jack is Back!

clarice,

Typad server script issue with MySql databse.

At least thats what I am getting.

matt

the way you make money on it is the salvage value of the ship and cargo rescued. Same as the salvage crews that roam the Mississippi and coasts. A barge cuts loose and either a price is agreed or the salvor takes it tow.

Killing pirates is a fringe benefit. Of course, we could actually, you know, plan a rescue raid and overwhelm their lairs but that would require our own and the European navies to stage a military operation, which is unfashionable these days.

The couple recently murdered were from around here and it was in the papers for days. Frigates are perfectly adequate for standard pirate suppression, or a LCS if they can float.

a friend who flew them in Vietnam and I pencilled out the specs for a new AD-1 a couple of years ago, but even better would be A-10's with chain guns on the wings, some rockets, and some bombs.

Since they are typically bombing small concentrations of Tollybons, 250# bombs would work, and an A-10 could carry a lot of those and hang around forever.

We are spending more on gas bills to and fro the Indian Ocean and Gulf using F-18's and B-1's, and losing more gas from Taliban attacks in Pockeeston than can be countenanced. The logistics of the war are probably the highest in history.

Hard to believe the Brits used to chase the Mad Mullah and his crew with 1920's biplanes so successfully. $750 hammer meet small mole.

Rocco

Wow Clarice...I've read that Joseph and John Kennedy were friends of Joseph McCarthy.

Jane (get off the couch - come save the country)

Okay now I am going boldly off topic, if you will.

It seems to me if Walker, Daniels et al succeed, we are going to be left with 2 parties in this country - the republicans and the tea party.

I just had lunch with one of our Tom's here and he agrees.

Did anyone else Mitch Daniels on FNS? He has my vote again.

Sandy Daze

I should have looked !

Her name is Kim Campbell.

Briefly, Major Kim Reed-Campbell (born June 6, 1975 in Honolulu, Hawaii)[1] is an officer and Senior Pilot in the U.S. Air Force. She was decorated for piloting her A-10 Thunderbolt II back to base in southern Iraq after taking heavy anti-aircraft artillery (AAA) damage in aerial combat over Baghdad during Operation Iraqi Freedom.

The damage occurred when she was flying a mission over Baghdad on 7 April 2003. "We did our job with the guys there on the ground, and as we were on our way out is when I felt the jet get hit. It was pretty obvious - it was loud ... I lost all hydraulics instantaneously, and the jet rolled left and pointed toward the ground, which was an uncomfortable feeling over Baghdad.

On the ground it was discovered that her A-10 had sustained damage to one engine and to the redundant hydraulic systems, disabling the flight controls, landing gear and brakes, and horizontal stabilizer. A detailed inspection revealed hundreds of holes in the airframe and that large sections of the stabilizer and hydraulic controls were missing.[5]

"She's one of the few pilots who ever landed the A-10 in the manual mode," said General Richard Myers, USAF, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

The Right Stuff, personified.

Take good care,
Sandy

Titanium Tub for the pilot.

Have I heard of a Hawg returning with a wing and one engine missing, or is that apocryphal?
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Jack is Back!

Sandy,

Air Force nobility - Dad & Hubby too.

Rocco

U.S. Navy Breaks Scientific Barriers With ‘Death Ray of the Future’ Laser Weapon

Translation: that’s one powerful beam. Right now, the Navy’s FEL is the most powerful beam in the world, able to cut through 20 feet of solid steel every second.

Think that’s impressive? If the Navy reaches its ultimate goal — one megawatt of laser power — the weapon will be able to burn through 2,000 feet of steel per second. Yowza.

clarice

Rocco, Bobby Kennedy worked for McCarthy on the Senate Permanent Investigations Subcommittee and was fond of him.

Jack is Back!

Bobby had no shame, eh?

Sandy Daze

It is way too late for me to carry on, but one last post. . .

in 2003, Kim Campbell would have had six years of service, having graduated from the USAF Academy in 1997. Now I am not sure what the pay scales were eight years ago, but the 2011 pay chart for an 03 (Captain) with six years service is just under USD $5200 per month, or USD $62268 per year. Sure, she would be getting flight pay and would not be paying taxes on her salary while she is in the combat zone--and don't forget there's health care and a housing allowance.

Have you seen the entry at Althouse where a woman compares the protests of the socialists union members to that of the sacrifices of the Vietnam era military ?

In Wisconsin we are looking at what was it, USD $89K per nine months plus full health (gold plated plan) and retirement? And a combat pilot today looks at USD $62268 per twelve months, plus allowances.

YGBSM.

Take good care,
Sandy

Sorry about the bold.

'niters all.

Danube of Thought

The official name of the A-1 was the Skyraider. The affectionate nickname of Spad was a reference to the old British fighter from WWI, and was initially intended to poke a little fun at attack pilots who were still flying propeller planes. But they were a fine airplane, and I saw a lot of fine pilots of the South Vietnamese Air Force make some very skillful strikes with them.

Rocco

Hmm...I just found this too

Many insiders were disgusted by the dishonest attack on McCarthy, including his fellow Senator, the Democrat John F. Kennedy. According to JFK biographer Joyce Milton:

"JFK's feelings became abundantly clear during a Spee Club reunion banquet at Harvard held in February 1952. When an after-dinner speaker remarked that he was proud Harvard had never graduated an Alger Hiss and even prouder that it had never produced a Joe McCarthy, JFK exploded in anger. Rising at his seat, he shouted, 'How dare you couple the name of a great American patriot with that of a traitor!' This was a rare outburst from a man who prided himself on his cool, cerebral approach to policy questions. The other diners lapsed into shocked silence, and JFK departed without hearing the rest of the program."

Also note the second paragraph

Senator McCarthy compares the Capital Times newspaper of Madison, Wisconsin with the New York Daily Worker newspaper published by Communist Party USA. McCarthy claims that the Capital Times voices the official Communist Party line, and he challenges the newspaper's founder, William Evjue, to carry out his threat to sue McCarthy for libel. McCarthy also accuses the newspaper's editor, Cedric Parker, of being a communist. These remarks were made at the annual convention of the Wisconsin Federation of Young Republicans in Janesville, Wisconsin.

Interesting!

Jack is Back!

Anyone else have an iPad and have sucribed to The Daily?

If so, are you as disappointed in it as I am?

Rocco

Hmm...I just found this too

Many insiders were disgusted by the dishonest attack on McCarthy, including his fellow Senator, the Democrat John F. Kennedy. According to JFK biographer Joyce Milton:

"JFK's feelings became abundantly clear during a Spee Club reunion banquet at Harvard held in February 1952. When an after-dinner speaker remarked that he was proud Harvard had never graduated an Alger Hiss and even prouder that it had never produced a Joe McCarthy, JFK exploded in anger. Rising at his seat, he shouted, 'How dare you couple the name of a great American patriot with that of a traitor!' This was a rare outburst from a man who prided himself on his cool, cerebral approach to policy questions. The other diners lapsed into shocked silence, and JFK departed without hearing the rest of the program."

Also note the second paragraph

Senator McCarthy compares the Capital Times newspaper of Madison, Wisconsin with the New York Daily Worker newspaper published by Communist Party USA. McCarthy claims that the Capital Times voices the official Communist Party line, and he challenges the newspaper's founder, William Evjue, to carry out his threat to sue McCarthy for libel. McCarthy also accuses the newspaper's editor, Cedric Parker, of being a communist. These remarks were made at the annual convention of the Wisconsin Federation of Young Republicans in Janesville, Wisconsin.

Interesting!

Rocco

oops...sorry about the double post! You stay safe Sandy!

clarice

Greta's dad was a judge in Wisconsin who was also close to McCarthy.

centralcal

Only 7 more comments until the bold goes away.

Rob Crawford

As I recall, the Warthog's pilot sits in an armored "bathtub". They really are flying tanks.

Jack is Back!

I have had no bold since DoT's 12:59 post. Must be my iPad.

glasater

The female pilot's adrenaline must have been really pumping to overcome damaged/nonfunctioning hydraulics.
Must be something like trying to land an apartment building.

Roy Cohn was an interesting actor in the McCarthy era.

centralcal

I have bold because I am on my main computer using Firefox. I wish FF would come up with a fix for html screw ups, since we have so many commenters who screw up their html! :)

Bold disappeared for me with h&r's comment before SD"s.  And for SD, much can be forgiven

Thanks, SD; I think my apocryphal wing and engine missing are your Kim's dead engine and no hydraulic controls. A marvelous feat. Word of it has spread even among the ignorati.
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Janet

A Soylent update - he said his redeployment to the US has been pushed up a week, so he should be returning April 16th.

DebinNC

Atlhouse linked to a live stream of the WI Capitol where squatters are supposed to be being evicted. Right now they seem to only be speechifying...in preparation of lying down and being hauled out, I don't know.

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