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March 23, 2011

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Phony Ideology

"I've been here several years,"

You mean dog years?

I've been posting here since 2005, but to be honest, you hadn't made an impression on me until very recently.

I thought the e-trade-baby comment was going to be complimentary.

Phony Ideology

"Can never keep those two straight"

Linguistics are not your strong suit, Corncob.

Ignatz

--"I've been here several years,"

You mean dog years?--

That doesn't even make sense. If it was dog years it would be even longer.

Jane


Phony,

I guess no one ever told you about the trap door. We have a secret place we all go to if we want to bash Bush or praise Obama.

Porchlight

I post when the idiocy of conservatives reaches critical mass.

Which just happens to coincide with the days where Barry is effing up more royally than usual.

Phony Ideology

"If it was dog years it would be even longer."

With respect to your youth and inexperience you should know one human year equals 7 dog years. Therefore 'several years' of posting at JOM would be, what, 6-8 months?

Ranger

And people were talking about Iraq being next all the way back to 9/11. I remember a talking head -- possibly Mona Charen? -- wondering *WHEN* Bush was going to start talking about Saddam sometime in late 2001.


Posted by: Rob Crawford | March 23, 2011 at 08:11 PM

Not just talking heads:

CNN LARRY KING LIVE

Aired December 14, 2001 - 21:00 ET

KERRY: Oh, I think we clearly have to keep the pressure on terrorism globally. This doesn't end with Afghanistan by any imagination. And I think the president has made that clear. I think we have made that clear. Terrorism is a global menace. It's a scourge. And it is absolutely vital that we continue, for instance, Saddam Hussein. I think we...

KING: We should go to Iraq?

KERRY: Well, that -- what do you and how you choose to do it, we have a lot of options. Absent smoking gun evidence linking Saddam Hussein to the immediate events of September 11, the president doesn't have the authorization to proceed forward there.

But we clearly are he ought to proceed to put pressure on him with respect to the weapons of mass destruction. I think we should be supporting an opposition. There are other ways for us, clandestinely and otherwise, to put enormous pressure on him and I think we should do it.

Phony Ideology

"I guess no one ever told you about the trap door. We have a secret place we all go to if we want to bash Bush or praise Obama."

Well, I have your word on that, and I think you know what that's worth, Fido. (You should know about dog years)

Ignatz

--With respect to your youth and inexperience you should know one human year equals 7 dog years. Therefore 'several years' of posting at JOM would be, what, 6-8 months?--

Your math slip is showing again, genius, unless you're saying that you're a bitch and see everything from a dog's perspective.

DrJ

Ignatz: I've been here several years

Pudwhacker: You mean dog years?

A non-exhaustive search finds a post from Ignatz dated 15 Mar 2006. It was under a different handle, but I'm not telling.

Porchlight

Well, I have your word on that, and I think you know what that's worth, Fido. (You should know about dog years)

Have another drink, Cleo. I'm sure the insult generator will start working again soon.

Jane

Clarice,

That guy in Lawrence retired today.

centralcal

A chuckle . . .

Tammy Bruce is twittering with her followers. Says Ed Harris will play John McCain in the movie "Game Change," and as we all know, Julianne Moore will play Palin.

One of her followers asks who will play Michelle? Mr. T?

Actually, that really isn't chuckle worthy at all - it is pretty good type casting.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Okay everyone, put down your drinks, swallow anything in your mouth so you don't choke and then be prepared:

Woman Tied to 9/11, Fannie Mae on Obama's FBI Shortlist!

Yes, it is your worst nightmare.

DrJ

Sara -- YIKES!

PD

I post ... idiocy

Agreed.

Henry

Fun for lefties-- tonight's episode of NOVA is funded by David Koch.

Danube of Thought

I'm getting the hang of it now. The enemy is forbidden to use his airplanes. It is OK for him to use his tanks. What could go wrong?

Walter

Sara,

I was just about to drop that link--As Clarice mentioned a couple of days ago, it isn't helpful that Comey and Fitz! are two of the other names on the short list.

scott

heh.... KE = mv²/2

MarkO

I'm more befuddled than usual. We have a “no fly zone.” No Libyan planes are flying, but the UN(?) groups are shooting at tanks. Is it a “no tank zone?” Is this, as I understood it to be, a civil war which the existing government, no matter how odious, is attempting to put down? Is the government, under the Obama Doctrine, permitted to fight in the civil war? Is the UN attempting to arrange circumstances so only one side can fight? The North or the South?

Is there evidence of genocide being committed? Does all this spring from Qdaffy [my recognized spelling] making the remark that he will show no mercy? In putting down a civil war, must the government be merciful?

Is there to be a precedent established by this UN aggression? Obama’s brilliant mind will not hold such small thoughts, in part because he might have to act on principle, not prag. In the next civil war, do we go in and for which side? Does it even matter?

PD

Sara, what time is it? I can't ... I can't seem to remember...

Danube of Thought

MarkO, I don't think we're allowed to hit their tanks now. (That's as of 1739 PDT.)

Porchlight

This one's for Captain Hate - Andrea Mitchell explains the Obama Doctrine for us.

PD

Andrea Mitchell explains the Obama Doctrine for us.

Charlie Gibson's got a thrill going up his leg now.

clarice

"Clarice,

That guy in Lawrence retired today."

How could they tell?

MarkO

DoT, is this from the Hall Moniter? Have you ever seen anything like this?

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

Notice Cleo continues his pattern of never answering questions. He only spews bile and flings poo, putting us all in his bullshit categories like hegemons, wingers and the like. I don't think he has ever displayed a shred of intellect or an ability to carry on rational discourse in his comments on this site.

MarkO

"Andrea Mitchell explains the Obama Doctrine for us."

She should be doing this from prison, serving 1-5 for obstruction of justice.

PD

Business-friendly tax policy in the UK.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

DOT: I just heard on TV that coalition forces have begun to target ground forces. Also being reported, a huge explosion in Tripoli, perhaps at the military base there. Approx. 1840 PDT

narciso

Yes, citing that invincible idiot, 9/11 denialist, Richard Falk, should have been the first clue, Ed Harris, does make a bit of sense, but the whole wretched piece of offal,
was designed to glorify Obama, to a point that
the authors might have second thoughts as to what they were told.

Rick Ballard

"Is there evidence of genocide being committed?"

None whatsoever. There was only the threat of no mercy should the traitors in rebellion not lay down their arms. Daffy is a mass murderer and may well have slaughtered those who chose to surrender but it would have been on the basis of treason rather than ethnic cleansing or genocide.

This is a French backed coup gone haywire. It appears that the traitors were somewhat over optimistic regarding opposition to the murderous thug and the French bought a small pig in a big poke.

OldTimer

Fitz must have done a pretty good job on the Rezko corruption investigation, to even be considered a candidate for Barry's elite guards.

DebinNC

Mitchell's interpretation of Obama Doctrine:

(1) If you have a catastrophe that you can avert, and (2) the benefits of doing so outweigh the costs, and (3) you have multilateral and international support, then (4) Go for it. You cannot stand idly by.

Now let's see Obama, Andrea, et al define "catastrophe".

DrJ

Now let's see Obama, Andrea, et al define "catastrophe".

Clearly Darfur does not count. Nor North Korea.

MarkO

I'm sorry. There's just no need to call Andrea as a witness. All you can do is impeach her and that's just not right.

Denied.

clarice

I'd say, OT. Rezko hasn't been heard from in ages. I don't think a soul knows where he is.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

I guess this is the way to get rid of them ... Egypt Air removes Israel from the map, even though they still fly there.

narciso

He used Rezko against fairly small fry not Daley or Obama, just like Radler against Black, and exempted Armitage from the attention that Libby received. As for Comey, I'm reminded of a line from "No WAy Out" that Hackman uses to characterize Thompson's CIA
director, he was Schumer's creature,

Rick Ballard

Sessions should announce that he'll put a hold on any nomination of Fitz until the Rezko and Blag cases are completely resolved.

DebinNC

I'm looking forward to Fitz producing at the April retrial the missing Raum phone call Blago claims will vindicate him.

Threadkiller

--“I've been posting here since 2005,”--

I can’t find “Phony Ideology” any earlier than today. Must be part of the witless protection program.

Captain Hate

Andrea Mitchell explains the Obama Doctrine for us.

I'm in awe of how she convinced Tweety of the efficacy of that without mentioning Mr Peabody's way-back machine. Or maybe consulting an oracle and always deciphering the riddles with 100% certainty.

DrJ

Earliest post I find from a non-exhaustive search for 'cleo is April, 2006.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

That's Why the Lady is a Dame gives a picture of Elizabeth Taylor I doubt most of us were ever aware of with this eulogy:

Among Elizabeth Taylor’s outstanding work on behalf of Israel and Jewish causes was her participating in raising $840,000 for Israel in a 1967 London gala and purchasing personally $100,000 in Israel Bonds in 1959. The same year, she cancelled a visit to Moscow after the Soviet Union lashed out at Israel after the June 1967 Six Day War. In 1975, she was one of 60 prominent women to sign a statement to then-U.N. Secretary General Kurt Waldheim, condemning the U.N. General Assembly’s infamous Zionism-is-Racism resolution. Taylor offered herself as a hostage when 104 hostages aboard an Air France airbus were hijacked by PLO terrorists and held at Uganda’s Entebbe Airport, from which they rescued in a spectacular Israeli commando mission on July 4, 1976, America’s 200th birthday. Taylor frequently visited Israel and met with its leadership, including Prime Minister Menachem Begin in 1983. In 1987, she signed a petition seeking the release from Soviet incarceration of leading refusenik, Ida Nudel.

Elizabeth Taylor’s pro-Israel activism led to the banning of her films in several Arab countries. After purchasing $100,000 in Israel Bonds in 1959, the United Arab Republic (now Egypt) banned all her movies. Gen. Essam Elmasri, head of the Cairo regional bureau of the Israel Boycott Office, said that Miss Taylor would not be allowed to come to Egypt because she has adopted the Jewish faith and “supports Israeli causes.” Her movie, Cleopatra, was not permitted to be filmed in Egypt, but in 1964, Egypt dropped her from its blacklist when it decided that Cleopatra, which mentions Egypt 122 times, would be provide good publicity for Egypt (Ami Eden, ‘In the JTA Archive: Liz Taylor says trade me for Entebbe hostages,’ Jewish Telegraphic Agency, March 23, 2011).

ZOA National President Morton A. Klein said, “Elizabeth Taylor was not only a wonderful actress but a wonderful Zionist. In the days of vicious Arab boycotts stronger than those today, she could have taken a self-interested line, as have many Jewish actors today, and failed to speak up or support Israel or, worse, engaged in anti-Israel slanders and other activities that harm Israel and aid its enemies, but she didn’t. The ZOA is proud of its connection to Elizabeth Taylor and expresses heartfelt condolences to her family and friends at her passing. Her rabbi was Rabbi Max Nussbaum, of Temple Israel, Hollywood, who was also a past National President of ZOA. Members of Temple Israel included Al Jolson, Sammy Davis, Jr., Eddie Fisher, Eddie Cantor, George Jessel and Leonard Nimoy, among numerous other Hollywood celebrities. ”


Danube of Thought

Do we have any hard evidence or numbers concerning how many Libyans were slaughtered? I'm aware of the threat to "show no mercy" in Benghazi, but I'm also aware of plenty of empty, gaseous eruptions from the mouths of Arab strongmen.

Over the course of the next year or so I think this thing is going to look a lot different.

Rick Ballard

DoT,

I've been reading on the scene reports in the Italian press. They usually get pretty hysterical about civilian casualties and they are reporting very few killed and most of those by humanitarian means.

I read an interesting interview from Benghazi. The person interviewed was a 'member' of the rebel forces who was studying medicine in London up until two weeks ago. According to him, Obama is deliberately restraining the UK and France from being more efficacious in their support of the traitors because of all the oil purchased from Daffy by US companies*. The story makes it clear that the rebellion is a 9-5 effort. The traitors head out at 8:30 AM and are home for supper in Benghazi before nightfall.

Real go-getters.

*Completely untrue wrt purchases - Italy is Daffy's biggest customer and Germany is second biggest. I am unaware of any US company doing business with Daffy in the oil sector.

Pofarmer

"We fired 120 Tomahawks; the Brits fired 12 (thus depleting 20% of their total arsenal)"

The brits had a grand total of 60 Tomahawks?

I wonder, how many aircraft are the Frenc contributing? The Charles De Gaulles normal complement is only around 16.

narciso

What are you reading, Rick, Corriera, La Republica.

Danube of Thought

That's interesting. We simply haven't seen the images of large-scale casualties, civilian or otherwise. I don't want to suggest that there was any hysteria, and God knows there was no precipitate rush to war, but....

Danube of Thought

Prof. Jacobson clears up something I was puzzled about: why the WI appeals court requested that one issue be briefed by the DA yesterday, in advance of the remainder of the issues which were due today.

The front-burner issue is whether courts have the power to enjoin the secretary of state from publishing a law. He draws the analogy of a federal court prohibiting the house and senate clerks from presenting Obamacare to the president for his signature, or enjoining Obama from signing it. (I would bet heavily that there is no Wisconsin case holding that their courts have such a power, but that doesn't mean some union-crazy court won't invent it.)

He expects a ruling on that issue almost immediately.

Rick Ballard

Narciso,

La Stampa, La Nazione, Corriere, La Repubblica - the Italian papers are here and the French papers are here. My French sucks so I don't try and translate. My Italian is still good and the tenor in the papers indicates a generally favorable attitude toward the effort. The attitude toward the French is much less favorable and the Italian Foreign Minister (Sec State) is now openly calling for a cease fire until NATO's position is clarified. BOzo is a nonperson.

Rick Ballard

Narciso,

I forgot - what is the Spanish press saying?

clarice

I think the Italians were instrumental in this because of the swell of refugees from Libya showing up on their shore.

clarice

I read--but can't recall where now-that Zapatero was behind this though he always took a pacifist stance on Iraq because the economy is so bad this is welcome diversion, Rick.

narciso

Don't ask, it's like AP city, down here, with our McClatchy

scott

Thanks for linking Jacobson DoT. That's why I was interested this morning. I think there will be a ruling tomorrow.

Stolen from the comments at jsonline:

"Here is a portion of the decision in Goodland v Zimmerman that everyone
on both sides is citing
---------------------------------------------
If a court can intervene and prohibit the publication of an act, the court
determines what shall be law and not the legislature. If the court does
that, it does not in terms legislate but it invades the constitutional power
of the legislature to declare what shall become law. This it may not do.
"

hit and run

Andrea Mitchell explains the Obama Doctrine for us.

Well,I'm not smart enough to try and explain it. But I can illustrate it.

It's a classic foreign policy doctrine interpreted anew by Obama.

The Obama Doctrine

Rick Ballard

Narciso,

I wasn't clear - these Spanish newspapers. I can read Spanish better than French but yesterday, today and tomorrow wrt verb tenses is pretty iffy and I sure can't read between the lines.

Clarice,

There are definitely major refugee problems but it still appears to be blacks rather than Arabs for the most part.

narciso

ABC seems pretty dependable, even Vanguardia
isn't so bad till you reach the Op Ed section,
then again it's not as bad as Friedman's latest.

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

DOT:

From memory, reading the DA's memo filed yesterday on the jurisdictional issue, the WI open record records Act specifically provides the DA of the county where a violation is alleged (Dane County DA in this case) may sue to enforce the ORA and seek damages, injunctive relief, mandamus or other appropriate relief. The DA's argument essentially is that this provision would be meaningless if the courts could not enjoin implementation of any law passed in violation of the ORA. I didn't check the cases cited, but did read the statute. It seemed to me like the DA at least has an arguable position and it certainly does not seem frivolous.

Two members of the three judge panel of the Court of Appeals having jurisdiction over Dane County are pretty clearly of the democratic persuasion which doesn't bode well for reversal at this stage -- at least on jurisdictional grounds.

I haven't seen the merits brief yet.

Danube of Thought

Yeah, it doesn't sound too good. In the event the unions prevail for the moment and the legislature has to do it over, I wonder what the timing would be, and the effect on new labor contracts.

The statute sounds bad, but the Goodman case--which I assume is based on the WI constitution--sounds good. I guess the DA has no choice but to address it in his brief, but it's hard to see how it helps him.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

This article was published in Feb 2008, but I don't recall seeing it then, nor hearing about it either. I found it interesting.

Obama's women reveal his secret

rse

OT for Rick and all others tracking the extent to which we have become a managed economy.

LUN is the new NGA report on how to change and coerce higher ed written by individuals who apparently always wanted to write a Five Year Plan and are unaware of their history.

Notice how the footnotes reference other NGA reports.

I think Nikki Haley had the right idea of defunding SC's annual participation in NGA to the tune of $250,000.

daddy

A completely stupid way OT blather:

But while you was sleeping...

Pulled into Indy at 1 AM. Hustled to the hotel and then raced to the nearest still open bar (Ike and Jonesey's)---dirty, stinky, smelly and loud.

Where usually there are 10 folks max for my arrival at last call, tonight the place was jam packed with hundreds. World's supposedly "Biggest Fireman's Convention!" was in town. (All it lacked was Meade taking video for Ann Althouse). Place was clobbered with Firemen. Immediately ordered my first pint of Guinness and side of Jamieson, set down my Anchorage Library book (as it was too clustered to read) and started doing my ethnographic studies:

90 percent were White Male
30 percent were mustachioed
(of those 30 percent) 85 percent Fu Manchu mustaches.
95 percent total short Hair cuts. No Mullets visible, but 45 percent 'High and Tights" ala the Marine Corps.
As it was chilly and everybody was in long shirts or coats, couldn't check out the tattoo's. Sorry)

Saw 4 guys in Scottish Kilts, (1 with the bagpipes) having something to do with the Fraternity of Fireman's Fife & Drum Brigade. This made little sense to me but I refrained from accusing them of being gay as they all looked like Jesse Ventura in a skirt.

Fireman Groupies.
What can we say about Firemen Groupies? Big hair!
It is possible that I have seen better Groupies at a P-3 (prop weenies) get-together, or even at the San Diego MCRD on Tuesday nights) but t'would be inelegant to say so, so I won't.

Anyhow, had much more to blab about but can't remember any of it it now as they kept the Bar open an extra hour and I got all sauced and then had to wait in line for 15 minutes for a seat at the all night Steak and Shake burger joint for the alcohol absorbing slider w/fiies. Yu--burpp)--Yumm.

FWIW, the Firemen I was hanging with were teams from New York, Indy, and Chicago. Mainly they drank Bud Light in a bottle, which was very creepy. I did manage under their questioning to complement the Tokyo FireFighter's volunteering to go up to Fukushima to help fight the Nuclear Plant's fires. The New York guy next to me knew about that and talked about how he thought it nuts that old Japan Firefighter's were volunteering because of their belief that they thought those aged and close to death were the proper guys to give all to fight the fire. He thought that behavior nuts. He obviously had not had the opportunity to know the Japanese like I have,

The Indy Fireman guy on my right elbow was a colossal drunken Lightweight in a white plastic "GO Colt's" Firemen's Hat. He knocked over 4 drinks and everyone gave him the proper ration he deserved. Everybody wore their units T-shirts or their Firemen's Union jackets. No politics was discussed that I could tell.

The Bar-gal (an old friend) said the Cincy guys tipped well, so wanted to pass that along. Nothing else to relate. Pretty much everybody looked like a drunken Taras Bulba. I fit in well (excepting lacking the Fu Manchu). Cheers.

Always a Good Time.

Steak and Shake Rules.
===========

scott

WI Senate Leader Fitzgerald says they will attach it to the big budget bill that has to be done in May-June if they have to. His opininon is it's going through one way or the other

Neo

New York might choke on their Weiner ...

Rep. Anthony Weiner said Wednesday he was looking into how a health law waiver might work for New York City.
…“We in New York already have hospitals, we already employ doctors and we employ nurses. We have a lot of uninsured people. … [Setting up] the exchanges is the one piece of the puzzle that would be difficult for us to do,” he said. “I’m just looking internally to whether the city can save money and have more control over its own destiny.”

SWarren

Sara,
Thanks for that link to the 2008 Spengler article. Young Obama exposed to anti- colonialism in Indonesia at the time of upheaval and Sukarno’s ouster. Spengler exposing roots of Bambi's deep-felt hatred of USA long before others jumped on that meme.

Captain Hate

With Jugears McFly and Bite-me in charge, is anybody surprised that Libya turned into such a complete fustercluck so rapidly?

hit and run

Yesterday I described Obama's this-is-not-a-war efforts in Lybia:

"innocent civilian protection program"
and
"forward-leaning posture of activity"

I wasn't too far off:

deputy national security adviser Ben Rhodes ... "I think what we are doing is enforcing a resolution that has a very clear set of goals, which is protecting the Libyan people, averting a humanitarian crisis, and setting up a no-fly zone," Rhodes said. "Obviously that involves kinetic military action, particularly on the front end."

There. Not a war.

Andd you can be that Gdaffy is thanking his lucky starts.

Because nobody wants any part of "kinetic military action" on their back end.

Porchlight

It sounds like an ad for a GI Joe doll. Now with Kinetic Military Action!

Neo

Jon Stewart calls it ...
America at Not-War

Janet

Sara,
Thanks for that link to the 2008 Spengler article.

Yeah, thanks. Stanley Ann must have really been something. I'd be interesting to know more about her.

hit and run

The next briefing on Libya had better have a kinesiology major available to answer questions.

Janet

Kinetic by Kurt -

Lots of energy expended...go nowhere.

Danube of Thought

Gen. Chuck Horner is the guy who ran the air war in Desert Storm, and knows whereof he speaks like few other men. He has a fine Op-Ed piece in today's WSJ, which may well require a subscription but I will link to it anyway.

Here's an excerpt:

The air strikes in Libya are aimed at the objective of "protecting civilians," but the U.S. has not defined whether the rebel forces are civilian, military or both. If they go on the offensive, do they deserve our protection (and inherent support)? Furthermore, our political leaders have stated that "Gadhafi must go," but they altered their pronouncements upon recognizing that ousting Gadhafi might not be achievable under the use-of-force rules set by the United Nations Security Council resolution.

Think of it: Question 1 is "who are the civilians?" Reflect on the fact that no one knows.

Danube of Thought

More:

Air power in support of rebel ground forces can defeat Gadhafi's fielded forces. This will require putting tactical air-control parties on the ground to advise the rebel forces and control air strikes. This will also result in civilian casualties, an unfortunate side effect of any armed conflict. It may also result in an end state that we may come to regret. At a minimum, failure to define the operational objectives could result in the protracted conflict Gadhafi promised.

But the shooting has started, and now we must seek a strategy to end it. The Libyan army relies more on artillery and armor than on air power. The "no-fly zone" concept of operations deceptively promised to end civilian suffering but did not provide the range of options needed for coalition forces to do it. Apparently, the rebel forces are not capable of defeating the forces loyal to Gadhafi in the absence of overwhelming air support. It may not be sporting to take out tanks with precision munitions dropped from a stealth bomber above 25,000 feet, but it is effective.

hit and run

Now we know why Obama plays so much golf and basketball.

He's boning up to become an expert kinesiologist.

Remember that busted lip he got a while back playing basketball? Reggie Love was training him in the art of kinetic military action.

On the front end only.

hit and run

Furthermore, our political leaders have stated that "Gadhafi must go," but they altered their pronouncements upon recognizing that ousting Gadhafi might not be achievable under the use-of-force rules set by the United Nations Security Council resolution.

I would also note that "Gadhafi must go" was spoken at the point at which it looked like his "going" was imminent without US help.

But once Gadhafi started pushing back and looked like he might overrun Benghazi and crush the rebels,it became "removing Gadhafi is not our goal".

As soon as (or if) the rebels again gain the upper hand,look for Obama to go back to "Gadhafi must go". And the telltale signal of "As I've always said".

Jumping on and off the bandwagon is another part of Obama's kinetics training.

harrjf

JimR, DoT,

IANAL and I understand that courts like to first decide whether the issue should even be before them and that should be determined soon. I don't see how the challenge could prevail when the clear text of the law, Sec. 19.87, Legislative Meetings states:

"(2) No provision of this subchapter which conflicts with a rule of the senate or assembly or joint rule of the legislature shall apply to a meeting conducted in compliance with such rule. "

Danube of Thought

Harry, by the "challenge," do you mean the DA's initial complaint or the government's appeal?

In reading the law, I'm confused as to what is the "provision" and what are the "rules."

Help, anyone?

Melinda Romanoff

hit-

You forgot the use of "perfectly clear" as a smoke screen.

Jane (sit on the couch or save your country)

It seems to me lately, that knowing the law, or being a lawyer matters a lot less in a lot of courts than whether or not you are a democrat, or connected, or some other made-up standard, which is precisely what we are seeing in Wisconsin, and to me signals the end of the republic.

We have become an ends justify the means country.

Rob Crawford

The DA's argument essentially is that this provision would be meaningless if the courts could not enjoin implementation of any law passed in violation of the ORA. I didn't check the cases cited, but did read the statute. It seemed to me like the DA at least has an arguable position and it certainly does not seem frivolous.

All citation of the open-records law is frivolous, because that law contains an exception for the legislature's ability to make its own rules.

hit and run

Rob:
All citation of the open-records law is frivolous

Where frivolous = likely to rule the day.

Rob Crawford

We have become an ends justify the means country.

We are longer under the rule of law.

narciso

Crikey, Dick Durbin, wants his own hearing on Muslim civil rights, among his wingmen, Harry's lapdog, Coons, (thanks a lot, Karl)
and the Walter Mitty LRRPer Blumenthal)

Danube of Thought

Here is an analysis that apparently originated at RedState, which I found at HuffPo:

"§19.87(2) No provision of this subchapter which conflicts with a rule of the senate or assembly or joint rule of the legislatur­e shall apply to a meeting conducted in compliance with such rule."

Is there is a rule senate or assembly or joint rule which qualifies for this exception to the general Wisconsin Open Meetings Law notice requiremen­ts? To determine this, we simply need to take a look at the Wisconsin rules for the legislatur­e.

"Joint Rule 27. Committee hearings open to public. Unless otherwise provided by law, every committee hearing, executive session, or other meeting shall be open to the public. If time permits, advance notice of every regularly scheduled committee hearing, executive session, or other meeting shall be published as provided in joint rule 7­5."

Since this was not a regularly scheduled meeting, Joint Rule75 does not apply [why not?]. JointRule2­7 requires only that such a non-regula­rly scheduled meeting be open to the public, without proscribin­g [sic] a time requiremen­t.

In addition­, the Senate Rules clearly agree withthis analysis.

"Senate Rule 93

"(2) A notice of a committee meeting is not required other than posting on the legislativ­e bulletin board, and a bulletin of committee hearings may not be published.

"SenateRule­93(3)

"(3) The daily calendar is in effect immediatel­y upon posting on the legislativ­e bulletin bo­ards. The calendar need not be distribute­d."

The Senate clerk indeed posted notice of this committee on the legislativ­e bulletin board. The Senate rule­s require no notice of a committee meeting besides such a posting on the legislativ­e bulletin bo­ard.

Not really clear to me...

Janet

Dick Durbin, wants his own hearing on Muslim civil rights,

I don't know why some Dems. don't just convert to Islam & be done with it.

We have become an ends justify the means country.

Very true, & it has been that way for some time. Only Republicans are still bound by the rules of some laws....which are chosen by - "a democrat, or connected, or some other made-up standard,".

Rick Ballard

Italian papers report that Assad permanently unfriended around 100 tweeters in Damascus this morning as at least 18 civilians received an insupportable overabundance of kinetic humanitarian relief in Tripoli.

I went through US, UK and Italian reports in search of an actual count of civilians killed by Daffy in the recent unpleasantness. The information must be very highly classified.

centralcal

I don't know why some Dems. don't just convert to Islam & be done with it.

No kidding, Janet.

Ann

cc:

If they get 3 weeks off to make a pilgrimage to Mecca (DOJ lawsuit), I am sure they will.


Great line from WSJ: "the real class war today is between government and the people who pay for it." (twitter)

Jane (sit on the couch or save your country)

What on earth is the attraction to Islam?

boris

The leftists and Islamists play complimentary roles in postmodern philosophy. The left is the Good West, the right is the Bad West and Islamists are the downtrodden victims, a role they embrace with Gusto the clown.

Rob Crawford

I don't know why some Dems. don't just convert to Islam & be done with it.

Because then they'd have to give up pork.

Rob Crawford

What on earth is the attraction to Islam?

It's totalitarian and anti-Western.

Jane (sit on the couch or save your country)

What on earth is the attractions to totalitarianism and anti-westernism?

I am so out of the loop.

Danube of Thought

Welcome back, Boris.

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