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March 23, 2011

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jimmyk

The WSJ quotes George Monbiot, of all people, saying that what happened in Japan has made him more supportive of nuclear power.

A crappy old plant with inadequate safety features was hit by a monster earthquake and a vast tsunami. The electricity supply failed, knocking out the cooling system. The reactors began to explode and melt down. The disaster exposed a familiar legacy of poor design and corner-cutting. Yet, as far as we know, no one has yet received a lethal dose of radiation.

Cecil Turner

I'm actually more concerned now than I was earlier. The unexplained fire and smoke and discovery of radioactive iodine in the Tokyo drinking water all indicates something untoward (or at least unpredicted) is happening.

clarice

what is the origin of that water, Cecil?

Cecil Turner

No idea. They had an initial report of a few parts per bazillion, but the latest report is of a level above that recommended for infants. Which is an actual issue.

clarice

If it is from open reservoirs and some airborne stuff contaminated it, by uneducated guess is that may be a one off thing and less serious than a contamination of an underground aquifer which is why I ask.

daddy

Cecil,

Here's that Yomiuri link to the Tokyo Drinking Water readings. Scroll down:

Link


And the Yomiuri intro page "Radioactivity readings can be accessed online"

daddy

Here's the latest page of readings according to Yomiuri:

Link

Bye.

Dave (in MA)

In case anyone's interested, this is a way that you can donate to Japan and get something in return:

King Crimson
October 13, 1995
Sun Plaza Hall
Sendai, Japan

Please note that the entire proceeds of this download will be donated to the Japanese Red Cross Society
...
From these happier times in Sendai, our thoughts go out to all those affected by the Japanese earthquake.

daddy

This is a current Yomiuri story explaining Radiation levels. Not Chaco quality, but possibly better graphics.

http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/T110322004943.htm

Charlie (Colorado)

I'm actually more concerned now than I was earlier. The unexplained fire and smoke and discovery of radioactive iodine in the Tokyo drinking water all indicates something untoward (or at least unpredicted) is happening.

Not really, Cecil. The i-131 release has been known for days, it's one of the hints that there's been at least a little fission-product leakage, although we don't know where from yet.

But the actual activity is 110-200 Bq, which is really tiny. The tolerance for infants is set extremely conservatively, because their thyroids are sensitive to radiation.

Charlie (Colorado)

possibly better graphics.

*snif*

My own 4000 word beast should be up at PJM Any Minute Now. Once you read that you'll have Becquerel by the balls, Curie by the cup, and you'll know exactly what a Banana Equivalent Dose is.

Charlie (Colorado)

...100-210 Bq, which is really tiny

In fact, it turns out that that dose was established on the basis of consumption for a full year.

Since I-131 has a half life of about 8 days, and they aren't making more since the reactors are shut down, that's very unlikely.

Carol.Herman

Japan has 55 reactors.

Americans have "nuclear hysteria."

Will China, not having much infrastructure to start, benefited by the world of cell phones, never, ever, having to lay copper wiring, to get telephone service up and running.

And, unlike India, China's cell phones work throughout her country. You don't have to buy off middle-men every few blocks or so.

Now, China has developed different nuclear facilities. They use "tea cups" ... or a technology that doesn't need uranium, and plutonium. Istead,shaking pebbles. And, when they're depleted, the pebbles just scatter down like sand.

The six reactors are Japan's oldest. Due for being shut down, anyway. And, the earthquake didn't make them fail. It was the tsunami. Which destroyed the steam engines that had been used to keep everything "cool."

Carol.Herman

In March of 1979, when we had 3-Mile-Island's accident, I can remember getting a call from my mom. Who told me she had called Schwab. Because people were dumping GPU (General Public Utilities. And, she picked up the stock for "pennies on the dollar.") It's a utility. It pays a dividend.

Just like now, where Toyko's utility went down the toilet. Invest.

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