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March 24, 2011



Steve Sailer offers his views on the Latest Libyan War tactics and strategy. He concludes:

Obama has constantly talked about "the U.S. stepping back" and other misdirection and feints for domestic and international consumption that confuse the message being sent to Libya.

Instead, the current mishmash of messages suggests to Gaddafi's mercenaries that they need to get out of the desert and hunker down in cities, which is the opposite of what the war was trumpeted as accomplishing.


I'd like to invite bgates, hit and whoever else is interested to join me in the creation of a new musical comedy:Multinationalism Follies


I'd be interested in being a part of the Follies". So will we be out of Libya by Saturday per Obama? Eight-ball says "No".


More from Steve Sailer: Libyan Liberation leads to ethnic cleansing. Maybe now we find out Obama's primary self identification.


Fire away, maryrose.


Libya is monopolizing the news, but there's this editorial at the WSJ to remind us that Obama's agenda is still advancing on other fronts:

Forced Into Medicare

A federal judge tells seniors to take it or lose Social Security.


Here's Louis Woodhill at Forbes with some very sensible thoughts on what to do with the Strategic Petroleum Preserve since we seem bound and determined to have one. Contains this amusing line;

Unfortunately, even a no-brainer appears to be beyond the capabilities of the experts in Washington.


Also at the WSJ, Karl Rove updates things on the government union front:

Ohio's Governor Moves Against Unions

The reform goes further than Wisconsin's.

Dave (in MA)

A black guy got locked out of his house. Let's hope that no cop acts stupidly.


Oh, fun! Looking forward the Follies - gawd knows you have enough material! lol.


NYT: "Admiral Hueber also said that the coalition was communicating with rebel forces. But later, when he was pressed on whether the United States was telling rebels not to go down certain roads because there would be airstrikes there, he said he had misspoken. American military officials have said there are no “official communications” with the rebels, which remains a delicate issue. Contact with the rebels would reflect a direct American military intervention in the civil war of another country."

LAT: Libya Rebels Coordinate With West on Air Assault


Ha ha ha - Dave(in MA). Hot Air has a great headline - Obama to spend day behind closed doors (once he gets through them).

What was I telling Clarice about lots of follies material? So much to choose from.


I do see a tap dance to the dynamic new tune "Kinetic Military Action". Its da bomb.

I also see a new number to "SEcret Agent Man" called ...

"Passive Aggressive Man"

Danube of Thought

Clarice, I don't envy you the task of deciding which fruit for this week's Pieces is hanging the lowest. You've got a pinata in front of you, and there's no blindfold.


You should also have a song 'Keepin my Peace Prize' done to Madona's 'Keeping my baby'


Way OT but a worthwhile read at First Things about the long twilight struggle between the church, primarily the Catholic Church, and the Soviets behind the Iron Curtain.
Long but interesting.


I wish someone would do a Venn diagram or similar visual of all the contrasting WH statements re Libya. For instance, Hillary has described what we're doing as "levelling the playing field" for the rebels, which is a far cry from the original "protecting civilians".



:) I think I will just refer to Obama as Captain Kinetic.


Seems like they are following that cult classic Ishtar, what could possibly go wrong?

Danube of Thought

OT: the D.C. Circuit has just fast-tracked the appeal from Judge Kessler's Obamacare decision (the "inactivity is a form of activity" one).


Link provided without comment... like the decision, it speaks for itself:

NATO still refusing to take over Odyssey Dawn

Danube of Thought

Before they start work on the exit strategy, I think they might want to take a second look at the entrance strategy.




in the interest of resolving the whole responsibility thing in Libya, I would like to suggest that we outsource the war to a contractor such as Blackwater.

In this way, the governments can blame those nasty contractors, and take credit if it works. It's a win-win for everybody except the Libyans.

hit and run

If Obama wanted a quick end to the whole mess he could appoint Cheney as special envoy to Libya,saying all options are on the table and at Cheney's disposal to use as he sees fit.

Or heck,just start leaking through back channels that the WH is considering it.


There was a game for the PlayStation called “Lunatic Dawn Odyssey” ... coincidence or underhanded commentary by military brass ??

Army of Davids

"Waiting for Superman"

worth a watch if you haven't


Army of Davids,

I learned recently that the director of Waiting for Superman also directed An Inconvenient Truth. That surprised me, I must admit.

hit and run

Via Don Surber:

The least approved kinetic military action in the last 30 years.

But hey,isn't that just a bunch of knuckle-dragging right wingers who are just reflexively opposing Obama because he's black?


57% of Republicans support the war — as do 51% of Democrats and 38% of independents.


JM Hanes


"[The Germans} can be French on their own timetable....."

I don't think France is looming very large on the Germans' schedule. Apparently, even the French have yet to realize that their decades-long obsession with beating out Germany for de facto leadership of the EU is so yesterday. From your link:

François Heisbourg, special adviser for the Foundation for Strategic Research in Paris, said it was uncomfortable for Germany to find itself in the company of Russia, China, India and Brazil while its main European allies and the United States voted for the resolution.

When it comes to German discomfort, the NY Times should have taken a walk down memory lane with Gerhard Schroeder, Nord Stream and Gazprom. Try last July, for instance:

In the postwar history of the Federal Republic, German Chancellors tend to disappear once they pursue political goals that deviate from the Washington global agenda too much. In the case of Gerhard Schroeder, it involved two unforgiveable “sins.” The first was his open opposition to the 2003 US invasion of Iraq. The second, far  more serious strategically, was his negotiations with Russia’s Putin to bring a major new natural gas pipeline directly from Russia, bypassing then-hostile Poland, to Germany. Today the first section of that Nord Stream gas pipeline has reached the Mecklenburg-Vorpommern coastal town of Lubmin on the Baltic Sea, making Lubmin into a geopolitical pivot for Europe and Russia.

In fact, a walk down memory lane with Quasiblog might be edifying for anyone whose attention wasn't immediately grabbed by "Russia, China, India and Brazil." We were following that yellow BRIC road back in 2009. Lions and tigers and bears, oh my! What's an industrious German to do? Prop up Obama and bail out the EU by "investing" in Greece and Portugal or shift your sights toward new 21st century alliances? We report, you decide.

Where on earth has the blogosphere been on this one -- or, for that matter, all the other stuff QB went on about out, so long ago it seems, from union labels to the latest on distributive justice and income poverty at the OECD? Just this January, someone actually noticed Organizing for America's email scraping operations! It would be gratifying, if it weren't so damn depressing.



JM Hanes

Thanks, Ann -- I've been really busy in my basement!


Hey, JM, how have you been, does this seem more or less blinkered.



Speaking of WTF: From Breaking News Tweet:

Wisconsin court says state Supreme Ct. should decide if collective bargaining law can take effect - Channel3000


Narciso,ISHTAR Brilliant!


cc, if that means what I think it does, the intermediate appellate court recognizes the need for a speedy resolution and any effort by the DA to gain an adantae by delaying a final resolution is lost.

Jane (sit on the couch or save your country)

And we want it decided before the election.


it is, isn't it, Ann kind of punctuated by that poster from Tammy, except Elaine May,
actually had a better original screenplay.

Danube of Thought

Sounds like good news from WI; never mind that I've never heard of anything quite like it.


Legal Insurrection:
Wisconsin Court of Appeals Refuses To Rule On TRO, Says Case Should Go Directly To WI Sup. Ct.
Channel 3000.com in Wisconsin is reporting that the Wisconsin Court of Appeals has declined to rule on the TRO enjoining the Secretary of State from publishing the budget repair bill:

The Wisconsin Court of Appeals declined on Thursday to rule on a Dane County judge's order stopping the publication of a controversial union law passed by the Legislature earlier this month. The case will now be decided by the state Supreme Court.

The court said the Supreme Court should decide whether a law that takes away nearly all collective bargaining rights from most public workers should be allowed to take effect.

A majority of the seven-member Supreme Court must agree to take it or it would remain in the appeals court.

The 4th District Court of Appeals said Thursday it is appropriate for the state's highest court to take the case because it presents significant issues that are likely to end up before the Supreme Court anyhow.

A Dane County judge issued an order last week preventing Secretary of State Doug La Follette from publishing the law, saying Republicans violated the state open meetings law when passing it.
Analysis to follow when Court of Appeals decision is available.



Update from LI
According to the Wisconsin State Journal, the Court sent two questions to the Supreme Court:
The court sent two questions to the Supreme Court: Can a circuit court judge strike down a legislative act as a remedy for violation of the state's open meetings law, and if so, does the court have the authority to stop the secretary of state from publishing the bill before it becomes a law?
I addressed this issue yesterday:
The issue on which the Court required an expedited response was whether the courts had the power to stop the publication of a law, which is a ministerial task the Secretary of State performs.

The issue goes to the heart of separation of powers, because Judge Sumi effectively prevented the legislature from making law. This is quite extraordinary, and contrary to prior Wisconsin precedent.

It is one thing for a court to rule on the legality of a law; it is quite something else for a court to prevent the law from being made.

Think of it this way in terms of the Obamacare health care mandate. The law came into effect, and now courts are ruling on the constitutionality of the law. Had a judge felt it was warranted, a judge could have issued an injunction preventing implementation of the law -- but no one ever suggested that a court preemptively should have interfered in the legislative process and issued an injunction preventing Obama from signing the law, or the clerks of the House and Senate from taking whatever ministerial steps they take to pass the law along to the President.
Analysis to follow when Court of Appeals decision is available.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Who told her this looked good? Good grief!


via wispolitics, the link to the Appeals Court decision / wuestions is LUN


On the Libya front, Turkey is apparently dropping its veto of a NATO takeover of command for the operation. This raises the obvious question of how much we had to pay them to agree to this.

Second issue is still when exactly the hand over will take place, as this is just an "agreement in principle" without any operational framework agreed to yet.

GS Patton

There isnt enough women's underwear in Washington to cover the hind ends of these pathetic cowards making military decisions on how to use the best military force in the world.

They will pay.

Uncle BigBad


Decision is available. See Henry's LUN at 3:36.

Another resident, who refused to give his name, hoped the rent for businesses would go down now that Clinton is packing up and leaving Harlem.
Melinda Romanoff

Henry's Link to the Wisc. decision(sp?).

Melinda Romanoff


I don't know about you, but we use ours a tad differently.


Thanks. I got it and posted it on the Tatler.

JM Hanes

Hi, narciso! I can hardly bear to watch the current tragedies unfolding, so I really have been devoting my attention to the 20 years of accumulated debris chez moi instead.

"[D]oes this seem more or less blinkered.

Oh Lordy. George Washington U. has got a blind man teaching international relations. It's not just the big picture he's missing either, is it? The pretzeling required for the reality based community to walk itself back to democratization the responsibility to protect ex post facto is something to behold. In the course of a mere two consecutive paragraphs Lynch goes from this:

It should surprise nobody that the bombing campaign has triggered anger among a significant portion of the Arab public, which is still powerfully shaped by the Iraq war and aggrieved by perceived double standards (one of the most common lines in Arab debates right now is "where was the No Fly Zone over Gaza?").
..... to this!
I can't ignore the powerful place which Libya occupies in the emerging Arab transformations, and how the outcome there could shape the region's future. Failure to act would have damned Obama in the eyes of the emerging empowered Arab public, would have emboldened brutality across the region, and would have left Qaddafi in place to wreak great harm.

Maybe Clarice should consider handing out prizes for cognitive dissonance this weekend, because I don't think you can make a Venn diagram with circles that don't intersect.

Apparently Mr. Lynch didn't notice that Obama has spent two years cutting regional reformers off at the knees -- not to mention cavalierly washing his hands of a potential strategic ally in Iraq. We've got your blinkers right here! Obama set this stage, and alas, barring miracles, I fear Lynch's transformative moment of benign empowerment may have already come and gone for good.


That Hillary can really fill out an outfit.


Speaking of the Wisconsin Supreme Court, it sounds like it is pretty dysfunctional.

An article about their Chief Justice is just brutal. An excerpt:

One lawyer who has worked in the court calls her style "toxic" and compared dealing with her to chewing tinfoil. In short, Abrahamson may be brilliant, but her critics say she doesn't countenance other perspectives or much care about consensus or conciliation.

Blaska's Blog asks what if Dave Prosser is right about the chief justice?

(found link at Althouse)


JMH, If I did that I'd probably be stuck doing that for the rest of my life the field is that broad.


Abrahamson is very liberal and old.She's been on that court since I was in law school.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

LOL, Mel. When I uncovered our 5' high bird cage this morning, I started looking at the comforter we use in a whole new light. :)

ISLAMABAD - After a prolonged lull, the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) has launched a series of covert operations in the rugged Hindu Kush mountains of Pakistan and Afghanistan following strong tip-offs that al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden has been criss-crossing the area in the past few weeks for high-profile meetings in militant redoubts.

If I understand you correctly, are you spring cleaning? I've finished my attic and I am halfway through the basement. 30 years of stuff is a lot to unravel.


Why was there a PRolonged lull? I thought one of Obama'a campaign promises was to get Bin Laden. Maybe now not so much...

Sara (Pal2Pal)

The next time you see someone in the military in full dress with a chest full of ribbons, check the very last row. Those rainbow-colored ribbons that seem to dance before your eyes are not for bravery or taking part in a war, but instead for "kinetic military actions." Perhaps a spot of glitter to make them sparkle as well as dance before your eyes.

hit and run


Nice weather we've been having recently...

Oh and in case you missed it,while you were away we were accused of illegally minting coins.

But don't worry,I covered our tracks.

Did I mention the mighty fine weather?

Frau Atomkraft

Hello, JMH. I hope there's light at the end of the tunnel in your basement.

Sara, is that a new photo of SOSOTUS? If so, at least her hair is tidy.


via FR:

Foes of illegal immigration are up in arms over plans for a weekend disaster exercise in western Iowa with a fictitious scenario in which white supremacists shoot dozens of people amid rising tensions involving racial minorities and illegal immigrants.


It is a Marx Brothers movie.

Libya, Libya. Oh, Libya the tattooed lady.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

I don't know how new it is. I picked it up today from Doug Ross Journal and there was no link.

I agree on the hair. Yesterday I saw her and she had finally washed it. It was looking pretty oily and stringy for several days.


Hi, JMH!

Hillary is really falling apart. What are the odds she makes it to 2012?


Frau, no - it is an old photo of Hillary. It was her outfit for the party the night before her daughter Chelsea's wedding. Ann posted the pic on one of the threads here at the time.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

She wore that to the rehearsal dinner? My G-d, Chelsea must have been mortified.


Here you go, Frau! A link - good times, good times. lol! (scroll down about half-way)

Whoa...Hillary Clinton wore a snuggie to Chelsea's wedding.

Posted by Ann Mongrel - July 2010

Rob Crawford

On the Libya front, Turkey is apparently dropping its veto of a NATO takeover of command for the operation. This raises the obvious question of how much we had to pay them to agree to this.

We will lean on Israel to let the next "peace fleet" into Gaza.

Melinda Romanoff


I think not, more like anesthetized.


"Kinetic military action"

That's even better than "we had to destroy the town in order to save it".


That's why the poor girl's husband ran off to Montana.


--Here you go, Frau! A link - good times, good times. lol! (scroll down about half-way)--

cc, if you click on the date and time stamp at the end of the comment that you want to link and then link that URL, your link will go directly to that comment.


Like this.

Meltdown in 2012

Tigerhawk. eh?

They almost have as many locals as JOM...

By Anonymous Retardo, at Thu Mar 24, 09:47:00 AM:

I agree. On both the left and the right, Americans see the French opposing military action that doesn't benefit them, and mistake that for a principled objection to military action in general.

That is wrong. The French, in their foreign policy, have never been guilty of principle.

And the Rainbow Warrior incident was glorious. When the French are firing on all cylinders, they are like Charlie Sheen with nuclear weapons.

By Blogger Surfed, at Thu Mar 24, 11:12:00 AM:

Always remember what they did in World War I. Never forget.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at Thu Mar 24, 01:21:00 PM:

Surfed: They did a bunch of things in WWI. Which did you have in mind?

By Blogger rick, at Thu Mar 24, 02:06:00 PM:

In my opinion the only thing the French can do well is to teach Gaddafi how to surrender. See my post on Obama and Gaddafi on my blog www.alittleleftofright.com


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Pitiful turnout. Kinda reflects the massive numbers driving the Republicans in Congress. Tail! Wag that doggie!!!!!


Cool, thanks for the tip, Iggy!!!

JM Hanes


"If I did that I'd probably be stuck doing that for the rest of my life the field is that broad."

True dat!

I feel sure the ladies of JOM have been celebrating Women's History month in their own unique fashions, so to speak, in my absence, but I suspect there are those who missed the President's commemorative weekly address. Hillary Clinton and the sisterhood certainly stood up to bat last week, but lest an irony go to waste, now that I've given up awarding Sunday prizes myself, Obama's opener seems worth an Honorable Mention:

March is Women’s History Month, a time not only to celebrate the progress that women have made, but also the women throughout our history who have made that progress possible.  
One inspiring American who comes to mind is Eleanor Roosevelt.....

Et voilá!.

And while I'm looking in the rear view mirror, it seems like just yesterday that Samantha Power was run down by the bus she was attempting to throw Hillary under.

Fast forward!

April can't come soon enough.

Meltdown in 2012

Catch of the Day

Jonathon Bernstein;

"Sure, it's fish in a barrel, but I'll award a CotD to CAP's George Zornick, for noting that Newt Gingrich executed a complete partisan reversal on Libya, going from beating on the president for not establishing a no-fly-zone to attacking him for doing so without so much as a phony explanation. And for noting Newt's historical amnesia (Newt is certain, also without any actual argument or explanation, that this is as "badly run as any foreign operation we’ve seen in our lifetime," apparently managing to exceed Vietnam, Iraq, and the Iran hostage rescue, among other things, despite not producing even anything anecdotal that's gone wrong). And for noting that Today Show host Matt Lauer didn't challenge any of that. See Dave Weigel for transcripts.

Of course, the thing to remember about Newt is that he's a total fraud. So calling him out is not that hard to do. Still, kudos to Zornick for doing so, and a nice job, too. Great catch! "

Gingrich must be reading the Tea-Bag Playbook a little too carefully.


Excellent comments by David Warren at RCP regarding the stupidity and cupidity of this illconceived, humanitarian kinetic energy campaign in Libya.

Meltdown in 2012

Another principled conservative:

"Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour's assertion that he did not personally work for the government of Mexico when his lobbying firm represented the country a decade ago is contradicted by the firm's own federal filings, which describe him as a leader of the team assigned to the account."


Barbour's lobbying work revolved around easing immigration restrictions and creating path to legal residency for undocumented immigrants.

That position was once considered mainstream in the GOP, but today's conservatives think you're a communist if you even dare suggest that we might need immigration reform, so it's no wonder that Barbour tried to paper over his work for the Mexican government. He'd probably rather be accused of lying than admit what the records show he did.

Also noteworthy: Barbour had initially denied his role on Saturday, while attending the state GOP convention in California, which last I checked isn't anywhere near his homestate of Mississippi. That's relevant because last week a homestate paper revealed that Barbour had asked taxpayers to foot the bill for over $300,000 on travel expenses in 2010, spending 175 days outside of the state he was elected to govern. Combined with the news that Barbour had asked taxpayers to cover the expenses of his recent campaign trip to CPAC, it's fair to say that Haley Barbour is having a really bad week.


So cleo, do you support this reckless imperialist killing field the US along with the other former imperial European powers are imposing on Libya or not?

Meltdown in 2012


"Newt Gingrich—presidential contender, friend of polar bears, opponent/supporter of the invasion in Libya—is a simple man drawn to simple pleasures. Long before launching his exploratory committee, he frequently chronicled his life’s joys on his Twitter feed. Our favorite of Gingrich’s tweets was a series he wrote around Easter of last year, shown above. His recollection of snacks of yore, and their relationship to tender memories, was positively Proustian in its subject matter, if not its duration.

Now, it seems as if his childhood wonder has been expunged from the Internet.

These tweets and all others composed before July 22, 2010 are unable to be found. According to Twitter, Gingrich has written more than 2,300 tweets, but just a small portion of the sum total are currently available on his feed. Additionally, permalinks to many earlier tweets are broken. It also does not appear to be a normal Twitter thing: tweets from Senator Chuck Grassley (R-IO) and Meghan McCain (“R”-Daily Beast), for instance, are still around from two years ago.

Luckily, Wonkette’s Ken Layne had the good sense to take screen shots of the chocolate bunny series. However, other classics such as “new racism is no better than old racism” and “forcefully oulining [sic] the rules of civilization for dealing with pirates” are gone.

VF Daily called Gingrich’s press operation this morning, and are awaiting comment."

Wonder what he is trying so desperately to hide? Well, his personal character is above reproach so he don't need to 'splain
to nobody.


It appears NATO has stepped up to coordinate the Kinestetic Exercise in Libya.In plainspeak the war in Libya is on and Hill will speak shortly about the hand-off.


Good to see you JM Hanes.

Meltdown in 2012

Daily Beast;

20,000 Syrians Line Streets for Funerals

Demonstrations against the Syrian government are growing larger in Daraa, as unrest that’s swept much of the Arab world hits the country hard. A day after at least 25 people were killed in fighting in the southern agricultural city, an estimated 20,000 people have lined the streets for the funerals of the dead. Even as police and soldiers swarm the city, marchers chanted “God Syria, Freedom. The blood of martyrs is not spilt in waste!" A Syrian journalist says Daraa, which has seen phone connections and electricity severed, “is out of control.” The protests are said to be the greatest threat to the regime since Hafez al-Assad, father of current president Bashir al-Assad, took power in the 1970s.

Thank you, Wikileaks


Hot Air as a decent round up of today's follies:

Deal near: NATO to take control of war “time-limited, scope-limited military action” in Libya; Update: U.S. looking for legal loophole to arm Libyan rebels

Just my opinion, but arms are not in short supply among the rebels, leadership and dicipline are. Given that even if there aren't enough guns floating around Libya at the moment, Egypt is right next door and has pleanty of guns to spare. What the rebels really need are an officer corps to provide planning and co-ordination between units, and an NCO corps to instil some dicipline in the troops.

JM Hanes


"If I understand you correctly, are you spring cleaning? "

I'm afraid it's more like opening yet another front in an ongoing war. As a rule, however, I only hit the basement when I'm in a politically induced state of high, but otherwise helpless, dudgeon. I've actually made quite a bit of progress down there.

Hi, Porch!

I've been running across mementos of my kids among assorted less valuable ephemera here. Is your own little one into the common-sense-free-fast-as-blazes-on-foot days yet? I eventually formulated The 11 Second Rule, which is the maximum amount of time you can take your eyes off a young toddler without risking misadventures.


BTW cleo, we are still waiting for answers to the questions the Speaker raised in his letter to the President yesterday. Want me to repost them so you can try and answer them today?


anyone who bothers to follow tweets is a moron as far as I'm concerned. The whole concept of finding and interpreting a smoking gun in a bunch of dumb messages composing 140 characters at most is akin to sifting for sandcrabs at the beach. The sport of children and the intellectually deficient.


E J Dionne over on MSNBC just said that all this turmoil and eruption in the Middle East is a consequence of Obama's terrific Cairo speech.

The host jumped right in and said Mega Ditto's and chimed in that what Obama is doing now is what he outlined needed to be done in the Cairo speech.

So the new Meme out of the Obama Lapdog Community is going to be to go back and nuance his Cairo speech and read into it (like some David Koreschian trying to unravel The Book Of Revelations) statements of cosmic import to which he is now putting thru action corresponding to his earlier wonderful words.

Let the pseudo-epigraphy begin

Meltdown in 2012

"Want me to repost them so you can try and answer them today?"


But there has been a lot more thinking on
Libya and unintended consequences than that of the 1 percenters who bum-rushed us into the war-of-choice, Iraq. Try to console yourself with that info. It must be frustrating for you to resolve the dichotomy between your Iraq war cheerleading and a genuine grass-roots movement with non-americans doing all the dying.

Meltdown in 2012

"E J Dionne over on MSNBC just said that all this turmoil and eruption in the Middle East is a consequence of Obama's terrific Cairo speech."

When the Tunisian spectacle began, Media were quick to blame Wikileaks. Their guns went suddenly silent when it began to look positive and they haven't mention Wikileaks since.

Media don't like Wikileaks because it reminds them of the pathetic job they've done uncovering the truth with conviction.


Daniel Foster at The Corner has been trying to keep track of this NATO deal... Here are the current updates:

I can’t decide whether this is an argument against having let Turkey into NATO or an argument against dragging NATO into things like this. Take your pick.

UPDATE: Or not. As soon as I hit publish I saw this from CNN:

BREAKING-NATO sources telling our Paula Newton and that #Libya agreement could be in jeapardy after last minute Turkish objections

The Turkish objection, according to the Turks themselves, is that France “wants [to] retain autonomous command” outside of NATO in order to continue strikes, and that this undermines NATO command and control. Which yeah, of course it would. It would make NATO command and control redundant.

UPDATE II: Ok, multiple outlets now reporting that NATO has agreed to take over command of Libya ops.

The big ‘but’ from NATO SecGen Rasmussen is that the alliance will only take over no-fly zone enforcement — a mission that has been thoroughly accomplished. Rasmussen says that the coalition will for the time being still be conducting operations to protect civilians from Qaddafi’s ground forces.

“We are right now considering whether we should take on the broader responsibility within the U.N. Security Council resolution,” he just told Wolf Blitzer.

Rasmussen says a decision on whether NATO will take up operations against units on the ground could be made “in coming days.”

Turkey seems to be the problem.

UPDATE III: More info, NATO is floating a proposal they’re calling “no-fly plus” that would give NATO the mandate to attack ground targets with the aim of protecting civilians. But, all 28 NATO members would have to agree on rules of engagement and any country could pull out if they disagree with targeting etc.

Oh, there will also be two separate commands operating in the air above Libya. This looks like a mess.

So, basically it looks like we really don't have a deal, or at least not a real transfer of authority. NATO will run the No Fly Zone operations, but US, French, and UK will still run a seperate operation against a broader range of targets to support the rebels.



But there has been a lot more thinking on Libya and unintended consequences than that of the 1 percenters who bum-rushed us into the war-of-choice, Iraq.

Too bad very little of that was shared with the American people. But, if the UN says its OK, who cares about what the little people in Peoria think.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Is there a contingent of Newt supporters here that requires more than one post from Cleo trying to justify not liking Newt? I wasn't aware of them, if they are here.

Meltdown in 2012

"Too bad very little of that was shared with the American people."

Yes, it's too bad Obama isn't omniscient and cannot predict events that are fluid and mutable.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

What the rebels really need are an officer corps to provide planning and co-ordination between units, and an NCO corps to instil some dicipline in the troops.

I heard somewhere on the news this morning that rebel training has commenced, I think by us, but I really didn't pay that much attention.

Meltdown in 2012

"if they are here."

Yes, maybe you can retreat to that secret posting place where you share your ACTUAL opinions.


If this supreme cock up doesn't drive a stake thru the preposterous notion of multinationalist run wars nothing will.

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