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March 28, 2011

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 centralcal

I'm unclear - is motley and ragtag a description of rebels or of MSM journalists?

Rob Crawford

I thought it was the description of the refugee fleet from Battlestar Galactica.

narciso

That's 'ragtag fugitive fleet' RC.

Janet

What is so phony about Cohen's piece is that that pack of reporters in Libya wouldn't even save that ONE woman. "Help, help"
They took pictures of her as she was hauled away...

Janet

No help for her.

Neo

Teachers get a "do-over" ...

Madison teachers who missed school last month to attend protests and turned in fraudulent doctor's notes have been given until April 15 to rescind those notes, officials said Thursday.

The district received more than 1,000 notes from teachers, human resources director Bob Nadler said. A couple hundred of those were ruled fraudulent because they appeared to be written by doctors at the Capitol protests against Gov. Scott Walker's proposal to limit collective bargaining.

Teachers who don't rescind fraudulent notes could receive a disciplinary letter of suspension, the most serious form of discipline aside from termination, Nadler said. The suspension would be considered already served — the time missed during the protests.

... more than 1,000 dishonest teachers in Wisconsin ... Winning !!!

Army of Davids

ObamaCare favor waivers in NYC?


Weinning!!!

Sue

The suspension would be considered already served — the time missed during the protests.

WTF?

Ann

Janet:

I thought we got rid of Don't Ask, Don't Tell?

Rick Ballard

Jon Lee Anderson'S piece is pretty good. The group[s] trying to kinetically unFriend QDaffy really require something like Operation CF in order to successfully pursue an overall WTF? policy in Libya. They are sure to exceed President Obama's wildest hopes of saving or creating millions of his co-religionists lives. This is the moment that the many muslim eye witnesses to his birth (in a deep well in Kendonesia) have been waiting for.

BTW - Anderson's report is of a piece with reports concerning membership and leadership of the fantastic 360 degree turnaround in Egypt.

fdcol63

"I don't care. Obama's awesome."

/end sarcasm

clarice

"The suspension would be considered already served — the time missed during the protests.

WTF?"

No sick pay for time off even though others who didn't produce them and didn't work because of the sick out will be paid. Now that sounds stupid, but the schools will not be forced to find subs during the suspension so maybe it isn't.

clarice

AHA,RICK, ANOTHER PERSON BESIDES ME WHO THINKS O IS THE 12TH IMAM

cathyf
The suspension would be considered already served — the time missed during the protests.

WTF?

I think that means that the teachers will forfeit their pay during the time that they were AWOL. As opposed to paying the teachers for the days that they were AWOL, and then suspending them for some future time period where they won't be getting paid and won't be there to teach, either. And the teachers with fraudulent doctor's notes who don't 'fess up, they get fired.

Sue

Clarice and Cathy,

I guess it makes sense the way you explain it, but if it were up to me, they would not get paid for the days they already missed and would be suspended without pay. The only way to get to them is through their pocketbook. I would make them have to pay their subs out of their sick days.

Ignatz

--Madison teachers who missed school last month to attend protests and turned in fraudulent doctor's notes have been given until April 15 to rescind those notes, officials said Thursday.--

How come I never got a chance to "rescind" sick notes I signed "Ignatz's mom"?

Sue

We are so screwed. These people are teaching children. And children are watching them cheat and lie.

Sue

Ig,

How come I never...

You aren't a progressive.

 centralcal

Well, bummer, Trump is gonna have to do better than a Hospital Birth Certificate! Weasel Zippers has a photo up of what Trump is proffering and it sure isn't a long-form birth certificate that is certified by the county clerk's office.

MayBee

The suspension would be considered already served — the time missed during the protests.

WTF?

I know, right? I bet a lot of kids wish that's how they served their suspensions for skipping school.

LouP

Richard Cohen forgot to ask the two most important questions:

1) how will it affect my polling numbers? and
2) how can I have plausible deniability should something go wrong?

Then and only then would he be in the same league of leadership as The Won.

 centralcal

sorry, got my threads mixed up on the above comment.

cathyf

Well, Iggie, if you weren't smart enough to sign them "Barney's Mom" then you deserved what you got!

 centralcal

Ignatz, cathyf has a point.

clarice

Doesn't she always!

So does Taranto talking today about the NYT' firewall:
The TimesSelect barrier was as impenetrable as the Berlin Wall. There was no monthly ration of free columns, no exemption for search-engine or Twitter links (did Twitter even exist then?), no Lincolnesque amnesty program. The Times even forbade its syndication customers from posting columns online unless they also required payment to read them.

Like the Berlin Wall, this had the effect of keeping the Times's columnists inside. The result was a Golden Age of online journalism, as bloggers and others ignored Paul Krugman's vicious rants, Maureen Dowd's bitter fluff, Thomas Friedman's maladroit metaphors and so forth.

We would gladly have shelled out $49.95 per annum to maintain this state of affairs--but perversely, that would have exposed us to the material we'd be trying to avoid, and lots more people would have had to make the same sacrifice of money and reading pleasure to make TimesSelect a viable business proposition. Little wonder, then, that TimesSelect ended Sept. 19, 2007, with a "letter to readers" from NYTimes.com's senior vice president and general manager, Vivian Schiller, who was destined for bigger things.

Perhaps not coincidentally, the Times has been clearing out its stable of op-ed columnists in advance of the paywall's erection. The prolix Frank Rich was the first to go, signing off two weeks ago with this confession: "Believe it or not, an opinion writer can sometimes get sick of his own voice." Not only do we believe it, we get chills just trying to imagine the depth of the torment.

Last week Bob Herbert followed Rich out the door. He explained to the Times that his column's "rigid 800-word limit" no longer suited him, "so I am leaving The New York Times and the rewards and rigors of daily journalism with the intent of writing more expansively and more aggressively about the injustices visited on working people, the poor and the many others in our society who find themselves on the wrong side of power."

Writing "more expansively" is the wrong move. Brevity is the soul of wit. Try Twitter instead.

Still, this is a start. If the Times can induce Krugman, Dowd and Friedman to quit too, $195 a year for a subscription may start to sound like an attractive offer.

Sue

Ace is highlighting a story in the Rolling Stone magazine.

Before the military found itself short of troops in Afghanistan and Iraq, Morlock was the kind of bad-news kid who the Army might have passed on. He grew up not far from Sarah Palin in Wasilla, Alaska; his sister hung out with Bristol, and Morlock played hockey against Track.

MFM is not going to blame Obama for the "kill team". They are going to blame Palin.

Link is to Ace

Ignatz

--Well, Iggie, if you weren't smart enough to sign them "Barney's Mom" then you deserved what you got!--

Tried that first; didn't work either.
Teach said the signature looked a little queer.

DebinNC

John Nolte has an excellent overview of the WI saga, ending with the importance of the April 5 Supreme Court election. Unless I'm an outlier, there are millions of folks like me whose perception of WI rides on that election. If Prosser loses, then imo it's a myth that there's a silent majority of rational WI people repelled by the public union leeches. I'll then put WI in the irredeemable bin with IL, MA, and CA.

MarkO

A misspelling. I think the word here is "daft."

'Morning Joe' Pundits: Obama 'Extremely Deft in a Very Tough Situation'


Henry

Deb, Nolte hit the bull's-eye. The smear ad is on everywhere, all commercial breaks. Expect Judge Sumi to suspend the law tomorrow for some kind of bs reason, and the appeals court to punt again.

DebinNC

Odyssey Dawn is out... NATO's Operation: Unified Protector is in. NATO's website notes it's "impartial" with the UN resolution applying equally to both sides in the fight...even as NATO forces clear the way for the rebel advance.

 centralcal

MFM is not going to blame Obama for the "kill team". They are going to blame Palin.

Which is why they are much more evil than Obama.

DebinNC

The smear ad is on everywhere, all commercial breaks.

NC was a swing state in '08 and Obama ads were going 24/7. There was no escape, but the truth about him was crystal clear to me. Same now in WI imo. If a majority can't see through the bs, then I hope they'll suffer the obvious consequences quietly without expecting right to work staters to bail them out.

clarice

Henry, I think Sumi no longer has jurisdiction of the matter. It's up to the Supreme Ct.
Legal Insurrection says Walker has sent out the state payroll checks without the union dues having been deducted.

MayBee

So a question about the "no fly zone" and "no tank zone".

As the Libyan rebels are now openly waging war, doesn't that kind of make into a lie the idea of the Libyan government fighting civilians? So that means we've taken sides in a war, right, not that we're protecting civilians from human rights catastrophe?

If a large group of US citizens declared war on NY, LA, and DC, and then took military action....would the US govt respond militarily?

Finally, are we keeping rebel tanks from advancing, or just government tanks?

Henry

Clarice, they first paycheck under the new law would be April 28 per Dept Admin (something to do with a payroll lag of two weeks). All TV and radio news expect Sumi to have her hearing tomorrow anyway. The Madison City union wants to add itself to the suit, and Ozanne wants to add the LRB and others. WI courts are in Wonderland mode, the only positive is a bunch of union contract extension votes scheduled for tonight got cancelled.

DebinNC

As Hillary has said, we're levelling the playing field in Libya. Since the rebels lack artillery and tanks, we're systematically obliterating Daffy's, even when they're only protecting their own turf against advancing "rebel" pick-up trucks.

pagar

Sue at 05:16 PM "These people are teaching children".

But these people are teaching our teachers. Which is hundreds of times worse, IMO.

"Ayers’s influence on what is taught in the nation’s public
schools is likely to grow in the future. Last month, he was elected vice president for curriculum of the 25,000-member American Educational Research Association (AERA), the nation’s largest organization of education-school professors and researchers. Ayers won the election handily, and there is no doubt that his fellow education professors knew whom they were voting for. In the short biographical statement distributed to prospective voters beforehand, Ayers listed among his scholarly books Fugitive Days, an unapologetic memoir about his ten years in the Weather Underground. The book includes dramatic accounts of how he bombed the Pentagon and other public buildings."
LUN

scott

And when our guys, you know the freedom-fightin' rebels or as I like to refer to them as "The 12th century crew" surround a small group of daffy regulars and proceed to torture and desecrate them, the coverage will be about the same as obama's kill team?

MarkO

MayBee, you are way too smart.

clarice

Here's what legal insurrection reports:


And he's stopped withholding union dues as of today, even though there are more court hearings tomorrow. From JSOnline:
Gov. Scott Walker's administration is no longer collecting dues on behalf of state unions and as of Sunday began charging employees more for health care and their pensions, even though nonpartisan legislative attorneys say the changes are not yet law.

Administration Secretary Mike Huebsch said Monday administration attorneys have determined the law is now in effect. State workers will receive paychecks April 21 that reflect the changes, he said in a conference call with reporters.

In addition to requiring state, local and school employees to pay more for their benefits, the measure ends most collective bargaining for public workers. The law also bars the state from charging dues to employees and passing them on to unions, as it has done for years.

DebinNC

NYT solves the mystery of why Obama was willing to schedule his Libya address at 7:30 instead of his usual prime 8:00...NBC has a program at 8:00 which features Obama on tape.

 centralcal

I am so glad I will still be at work when the empty suits lies and obfuscates.

I can tune in here to get the gist.

maryrose

clarice:
Thanks for the good news from Wisconsin. I say "Damn the torpedoes-full speed ahead to Gov. Walker.

Gmax

Disappearo! As Harry and Herminie and Ron might say.

I could not get the narcisolator to work yesterday, got frustrated and decided to let it go for another day. Patience restored, I started over and viola.

Thanks to all with your many posts to attempt to assist, you are quite kind. BGates you rock!

I just turned an anti semite into the invisible man!

Or as the old commercial used to go "Shake and bake, and I helped."

added benefits the damn avatars are gone as well. A very fine day. Thanks again to all.

 centralcal

Gmax - another great benefit when the thread grows long and multiple paged is that when you leave and come back, you are automatically taken to the top of the last page!

Love, love, love that feature too.

Danube of Thought

Now we're flying C130 gunships and A-10's in Libya. The mission has creeped quite a bit.

Gmax

"Believe it or not, an opinion writer can sometimes get sick of his own voice."

This might be the one thing that Frank Rich and I have in common. We both are sick to the gills of Frank Rich!

 centralcal

DoT: from a re-Tweet by Byron York:

RT @donsspencer: A-10's & AC-130's a long way from No Fly Zone parameters. As former Army combat officer those are ground war weapons.

Oh, and Obama's speech word count wise is LONGER than his inaugural speech, but shorter than the 2008 speech on race.

bunky

Obama is not a good speaker. Big myth.

White Woman With Jungle Fever in Manhattan

I just want to believe that Barack isn't on the downlow and wants me more than his wookie wife. So i will vote for him until he proves me wrong. A girl can dream can't she? I don't pump gas anyway. So who cares about Libya?

Barack can wear my grannie pannies anyday.

hgfd

This is all andy.

bunky

Anybody else bothered by the 30 second pauses between sentences?

sammy small

Looks like the WaPo deleted all the comments that inane Mr Cohen had collected on his article. I wonder why

hrtshpdbox

Obama's speech word count wise is LONGER than his inaugural speech, but shorter than the 2008 speech on race.

Don't compare passages from Schemes From My Father, because we know Ayers wrote those.

Jane

Okay, we are about to find out why we are in Libya.

1. Tribute to military. (so far so good)

2. Countless lives have been saved. (not sure about that)

3. Winnning in Afghanistan and getting al Qaeda all over the globe. (Except in Libya where we are arming them.)

4. US is unique and we are reluctant to use force unless our interests and values are at stake.

5. Location location location - and Gadafi is a tyrant and has agents who killed americans.

6. The people proclaimed they want "rights". I was on it and got rid of all Americans and in a matter of days we took action so gadafi is made accountable.

7. I judged Gadafi as bad and demanded that he step down. He didn't comply so I decided to spend a billions of dollars, because that is what happens when I don't get my way.

MayBee

He has not yet mentioned France.

hrtshpdbox

I'm not watching, just listening, and I think he sounds tortured, staccato, unsettled.

MayBee

I don't think he's ever read this speech before.

Danube of Thought

Ah hell. Go to Legal Insurrection. Read the note on Dylan and the girl from the north country. Play the YouTube video of Dylan singing the song.

Then build yourself a big Martini and forget all this other crap. That's what I'm gonna do.

bunky

I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I.........

 centralcal

I don't think he's ever read this speech before.

Standing ovation at my desk at work for best snark of the night (so far)!!

bunky

Arab partners.......joke right?

Oh, here is the summary like in class...

MayBee

I love the way he's put himself in charge of this whole thing. Sarkozy must be rolling on the floor, seizing.

bunky

Just slapped Clinton with Bosnia comparison

Ann

rats, sheesh he has called us mongrels.

bunky

.....protecting civilians ON THE GROUND

MayBee

Yemen? Syria? Bharain?

bgates

Anybody else bothered by the 30 second pauses between sentences?

Those are my favorite part.

Oh, who am I kidding - I can't stand to listen to that guy talk.

bunky

broader goal of a libya that belongs to the (claiphate) er people

MayBee

I hate when he grinds down on a word for emphasis.

bunky

we are not world's policeman.....blah blah....because of helath care bill......inthis particular country.. unique ability and liberal media support to stop Khadafi....

Mustang0302

"It's chrew"...BHO for "It's true," which means it's a lie.

MayBee

We can't always do this. But we can sometimes. And I'm not really gonna explain why this time. But we would never have turned away this time.

Gmax

Stephen Green is drunk blogging and this is a masterpiece:

“Libya sits directly between Tunisia and Egypt.” It is also quite flat. And often hot.

Jane

8. I ordered ships to the Mediterranian

9. The whole world then took my orders while I was whooping it up in Rio.

10. Gadafi didn't listen, so I told the world to go in and show him the consequence for not listening to me. (and the same will happen to you if you don't obey Obamacare.)

11. 9 days ago I decided to stop the killing and it is a victory like you have never seen. None of that george Bush stuff. I have stopped Gadafi. That's right, i did it.

12. Some countries who get Libyan oil helped , and some Arab countries said they would help.

13. In one month I have performed more miracles than you could count on many hands. I am awesome. Very very awesome.

14. Compare Bill Clinton in Bosnia. He was slow and I am fast.

15. Plus I am keeping my pledge for no ground troops but I'm not discussing the fact that I said we would only be there for days not weeks, but you won't notice.

16. Nato takes over on Wednesday, and that of course has nothing to do wiht me, altho I will tell them all what to do and how awesome I am, every single day.

17. Plus it didn't cost much and there is no risk.

18. We will continue to send lots of money to al Qeada in Libya and maybe they will say nice things to Khomeni about me.

19 Meanwhile, the steering committee goes on.

20. I am more awesome than anything, even if Kadafi has not stepped down. No worries tho, I will tell the international community how to help.

21. Don;t fall for the false choice.

22. We carefully measured our interest against the need for action - well except in Libya. I was the only one who could stop the violence so I made an exception.

23. We are leaders and not to go in would be a betrayal - and we never turn a blind eye to atrocities - well except in Iran, Syria, the Congo and about a zillion other places, but no worries.

MayBee

Remember, this is the guy who wanted us to leave Iraq to people who loooove mass graves.

bunky

....democratic impulses, not Iraq of course...I am convinced failure to act would have cost us more later....making this up as I go along

MayBee

Wait.

He claimed the US pushed the UN security council. Now he's saying we had to do what the UN SEcurity council wanted because otherwise they would have looked lame. So doesn't that mean this is what we wanted to do, and not what the UN encouraged us to do?

bunky

to be blunt we fucked up in Iraq thanks to diplomats and a trillion dollars.....

Gmax

Stephen Green drunkblogging this has this masterpiece:

“Libya sits directly between Tunisia and Egypt.” It is also quite flat. And often hot.

MayBee

Hasten the day!

bunky

had to get the Iraq did in. What country over there is calm right now?

Gmax

“Libya sits directly between Tunisia and Egypt.” It is also quite flat. And often hot.

Stephen Green doing Lewis to Zero's Martin.

PD

Obama's talking about Gaddafi like it's a given he'll be gone. I think he's counting his chickens before they're hatched.

Janet

Jane, your snark blogging is great! I was out getting cupcakes...

bunky

Will use military when I want to and still cant get over Iraq victory.......

MayBee

I am now convinced he has never before laid eyes on the words scrolling before him.

Jane

I am hedging on getting Gadafi. Regime change is a mistake. We can probably get him out with a few phone calls from me, because I am so very awesome.

We won't make the same mistake as George Bush did in Iraq. no no no. And if gadafi shoots down a few planes - no worries. We stopped a massacre and we know you can't prove we didn't/

Winning!!!!!

No worries, history is not on Gadafi's side - nor yours mr president oh awesome one.

Under me the world is very awesome and I did all the right things even if I said before than it was not constitutional, by now you all know the constitution does not apply to me.

And if I feel like attacking a country that poses not threat, well i won. So that's how I roll.

hrtshpdbox

God forbid Qaddafi can muster any sort of military assault at this point; Obama is essentially taking laps and referring to the action in the past tense.

Mustang0302

"Chroops"...BHO for "Troops," which in his parlance means "chumps."

bunky

Oh our task is to mobilize collective action, I get it.

Gmax

That is wierd first post disappeared, now its back.

maryrose

What a piece of work Obama is. He puts in a shot about regime change in Iraq and it taking 8 yrs and costing a trillion dollars and how we can't afford to do that in Libya. He says we share in responsibility in Libya after this is over without even consulting Congress about any of it.

MayBee

This is the part where I talk about my awesomeness, compared to some fake history.

Janet

Did he really call us mongrels?

bunky

They love us in Libya!

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

Thanks for the updates. I was otherwise occupied watching the Tennessee-Notre Dame game. And to me, watching women's basketball is like watching paint dry (unless I was watching my daughter play). So you know how much interest I have in watching teh Won.

Jane

Better get off before they stop you and start dancing with the stars.

PD

His "earnest mode" is so fake.

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