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March 09, 2011

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Rob Crawford

Rand Paul said it doesn't cut enough.

He's a fool or he's playing the game. Cut what you can now, come back for more later. Saying not enough was cut so you're against cutting anything is making the perfect the enemy of the good.

clarice

Jane, the new white house insider is up--informant says Obama should be arrested.
http://newsflavor.com/politics/world-politics/white-house-insider-president-obama-should-be-arrested/

Is it real or is it b.s.?

hit and run

Rob:
He's a fool or he's playing the game. Cut what you can now, come back for more later.

While I don't disagree one bit -- I do think that if Paul had been (the proverbial) 60th vote,he would have voted in favor.

(which is the same reason,for the record,that the WH gave back in January for Obama voting against raising the debt ceiling as a Senator in 2006,but now saying that it would be the most terrible,horrible very bad decision now not to raise it)

PaulL

"You can see the outlines of his next campaign taking shape--he's going to put the kids upfront and behave like a celeb--with lots of social stuff at the WH involving sports figures and celebs while behind closed doors he works with his fat cat donors and the union thugs to undermine the oppo."

Ask only how this will play in Ohio.

Rob Crawford

While I don't disagree one bit -- I do think that if Paul had been (the proverbial) 60th vote,he would have voted in favor.

Instead, now we get to hear "in a bipartisan vote, including Tea Party favorite Rand Paul in the opposition..."

He gave the enemy a PR victory. He should be ashamed.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Enlightened: What a wonderful story about the doctor in Oregon, but what a terribly tragic story about the young man and his spreading cancer.

I think there must be a special type of person who works with cancer patients. I wrote about it here when my cousin had less than 24 hours to absorb that they had found breast cancer and it was already Stage 3 and the tumor the size of a softball. She was working two part time jobs to support herself and a teenage daughter and neither offered insurance. Like your young man, some very good people found out and one of them happened to be the wife of the head of one of the best hospitals in Pittsburgh and thru him, a private group of wealthy breast cancer survivors stepped in and picked up the whole tab for her reconstruction surgery and follow up treatments.

I love hearing stories like yours. My faith in my fellow travelers was severely damaged after all the trials and tribulations I had with the medical profession and associated so-called do-gooders during my Mother's stroke recovery, and stories like yours and my cousin's go a long way in helping to restore some of that faith. Thank you for sharing and may God be with all those who are suffering and especially with their loved ones who suffer too, just in a different way.

 centralcal

Regarding a few earlier comments above about PBS and the O'Keefe group, comes this Tweet from Jake Tapper:

PBS Sr VP or Development also met with fictitious group. PBS wont comment on whether he said anything that could prove embarrassing.

Jane

Clarice,

That was sort of a whole lot of nothing.

narciso

Why do I think, this is nowhere near the end of this

Stephanie

Thanks, Mel.

narciso

Why are we more informed about what is going, than this supposed 'insider'

Frau Justitia

Rep. King is getting the NYT Death by Smear. We all remember the Kennedys' ties to the IRA, one even by marriage.

OT - The eleven year old who was raped by at least twenty men and video taped is lucky she does not live in a land ruled by sharia. The TX police have known about this case since last December. What were they waiting for?

Appalled

Probably because it isn't. But unless our domestic Borat actually got talking to some NPR news people, or somebody like Bill Moyers, I do not see what the impact would be.

hit and run

On the other thread,I put up a link to my post where I compare the budget, deficit and proposed Democratic cuts to the Median US Household Income.

On a household semi-monthly gross paycheck of $2,074,that household budget would call for $3,654 in semi-monthly spending. The proposed Democratic cuts would amount to cutting that spending by ...wait for it... $10.37

See? You would only! be spending $3,644 per half-month -- that's only! $1,570 more than your income for those 2.15 weeks!

Courageous.

But just to do the math -- the Republicans' proposed cuts would cut your spending by $60.

Aha! You would only! be spending $3,594 per half-month -- that's only! $1,520 more than your income.

There's a big difference between the two. And you can only eat the elephant one bite at a time,and the journey of eating a thousand elephants starts with a single bite and all that. But we are talking about eating a thousand elephants here.

No,wait.

Actually we're talking about nine billion,three hundred thirty-three million,three hundred thrity-three thousand,three hundred thirty-three elephants if the total debt is measured in pounds. Give or take a few elephants.

I hope you're hungry.

Extraneus

I vote b.s.

narciso

Does elephant taste like chicken or beef?

hit and run

Wow. Google did me wrong. Otherwise known as,I shoulda clicked a link rather than relying on the summary on the search results page which wasn't saying what I thought it said.

Which is a relief!

Far fewer elephants need be consumed. We're only! going to need to eat roughly 1.75 billion.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

I thought you guys would be all over the request for expedited appeal on the Florida HC ruling filed by the gov't yesterday, but other than the announcement I posted, nary a word. Where are our JOM lawyers to tell us what it means?

cathyf

Sara, I figure that it means that the DoJ got some sense knocked into them and met Judge Vinson's deadline.

 centralcal

lol, cathyf!

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Got this in email:

Radio Address on Socialized Medicine, 1961:

My name is Ronald Reagan. I have been asked to talk on several subjects that have to do with the problems of the day. ...

Back in 1927, an American socialist, Norman Thomas, six times candidate for president on the Socialist Party ticket, said the American people would never vote for socialism. But he said under the name of liberalism the American people will adopt every fragment of the socialist program. ...

One of the traditional methods of imposing statism or socialism on a people has been by way of medicine. It's very easy to disguise a medical program as a humanitarian project. Most people are a little reluctant to oppose anything that suggests medical care for people who possibly can't afford it.

Now, the American people, if you put it to them about socialized medicine and gave them a chance to choose, would unhesitatingly vote against it. We had an example of this. Under the Truman administration, it was proposed that we have a compulsory health insurance program for all people in the United States, and, of course, the American people unhesitatingly rejected this.

So, with the American people on record as not wanting socialized medicine, Congressman Ferrand introduced the Ferrand Bill. This was the idea that all people of Social Security age should be brought under a program of compulsory health insurance. Now this would not only be our senior citizens, this would be the dependents and those who are disabled, this would be young people if they are dependents of someone eligible for Social Security.

Now, Congressman Ferrand brought the program out on that idea of just for that group of people. But Congressman Ferrand was subscribing to this foot-in-the-door philosophy, because, he said, "[I]f we can only break through and get our foot inside the door, then we can expand the program after that."

Walter Ruther said, "It's no secret that the United Automobile Workers is officially on record as backing a program of national health insurance." And by national health insurance, he meant socialized medicine for every American. Well, let's see what the socialists themselves have to say about it.

They say, "Once the Ferrand Bill is passed, this nation will be provided with a mechanism for socialized medicine capable of indefinite expansion in every direction until it includes the entire population." Well, we can't say we
haven't been warned. ...

It is presented in the idea of a great emergency that millions of our senior citizens are unable to provide needed medical care. But this ignores the fact that, in the last decade, 127 million of our citizens in just 10 years have come under the protection of some form of privately owned medical or hospital
insurance.

Now the advocates of this bill, when you try to oppose it, challenge you on an emotional basis. They say, "What would you do, throw these poor old people out to die with no medical attention?" That's ridiculous, and of course no one's advocated it. ...

What reason could the other people have for backing a bill which says, "We insist on compulsory health insurance for senior citizens on the basis of age alone, regardless of whether they're worth millions of dollars, whether they have an income, whether they're protected by their own insurance, whether they
have savings?"

I think we can be excused for believing that, as ex-Congressman Ferrand said, this was simply an excuse to bring about what they wanted all the time -- socialized medicine.

James Madison in 1788, speaking to the Virginia Convention, said: "Since the general civilization of mankind, I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachment of those in power, than by violent and sudden usurpations."

The privacy, the care that is given to a person, the right to chose a doctor, the right to go from one doctor to the other ... this is a freedom that I wonder whether any of us have the right to take from any human being. ... From here it is a short step to all the rest of socialism. ...

The Founding Fathers -- for the first time -- established the idea that you and I had within ourselves the God-given right and ability to determine our own destiny. ...

What can we do about this? Well, you and I can do a great deal. We can write to our congressmen and our senators. We can say right now that we want no further encroachment on these individual liberties and freedoms. And at the moment, the key issue is we do not want socialized medicine. ...

Write those letters now; call your friends and tell them to write them. If you don't, this program I promise you will pass just as surely as the sun will come up tomorrow, and behind it will come other federal programs that will invade every area of freedom as we have known it in this country until one day, as Normal Thomas said, we will awake to find that we have socialism. And if you don't do this, and if I don't do it, one of these days you and I are going to spend our sunset years telling our children, and our children's children, what
it once was like in America when men were free.


Sara (Pal2Pal)

cathyf: LOL

lyle

"In some cases, public broadcasting remains that community's primary connection with the outside world."

- NPR exec quoted by Taranto today

Oh, the nobility bullshit...and utter cluelessness mendacity.

 centralcal

Good lord, lyle! Primary connection with the outside world makes it sound like we have communities of undiscovered aboriginal natives frolicking in the backwoods jungles of the USA - only able to get news on their big screen plasma or LED TVs via public broadcasting.

::triple Sue-worthy eyerolls::


Frau Justitia

"...the Reps will need to find someone who is very charismatic to beat back the functional illiterates and daytime tv and womens mag fans."

clarice, I don't know if Tom Selleck wants the gig and Mark Steyn is not even a citizen.

Danube of Thought

Sara, I'm intensely interested in what the government says in the papers accompanying the notice that they are appealing. In particular, do they mage a good-faith argument for expedited treatment, or do they say "we're only doing this because we were ordered to?" I'm not sure when those papers are to be filed, but I haven't seen anything about them yet.

Taranto today is at his all-time best.

caro

Enlightened,I appreciate the update,too,and the heartening story of good will. Hopefully this is the beginning of good news and recovery.

Rocco

That White House Insider article is verry interesting as Arte Johnson would say. Considering Obama's radical past, it wouldn't surprise me at all if a major scandal were to break. Sedition? Rezko had ties to terrorists right?

Enlightened, Lyle, Sue and Hit...your loved ones are still in my prayers.

Jack is Back!

PBS and NPR are using the same argumenent as the REA. Don't know the REA then google it. This is 2011 not 1934, at least not yet!

Melinda Romanoff

Rocco-

Blago retrial is off he's asking for an expedited sentencing.

The fix is in.

I wonder what they have on Fitz....

clarice

DoT. Isn't it though? And that's saying a lot because he's always great.

Blago trial is off because he has surprisingly asked the court to sentence him on what he was found guilty on and skip the appeal and retrial.

From Insty some good news:

Americans see U.S. on wrong track: Reuters/Ipsos poll. “Americans, who are suffering from high gasoline prices, believe the United States is on the wrong track by a large margin, presenting a fresh challenge for President Barack Obama, a Reuters/Ipsos poll said on Wednesday. The proportion of Americans who believe the country is on the right track dropped 7 points in the past month to 31 percent, and 64 percent think the country is on the wrong track. It was the highest number of people in an Ipsos poll who believe the country is going in the wrong direction since Obama took office in January 2009.”

Rocco

Yeah, I read that Mel...the Chicago way!

clarice

AFP:KABUL — International forces in Afghanistan have seized a "significant" shipment of rockets from Iran which would have doubled insurgents' strike range, an official said Wednesday.
The 48 122mm rockets, which have a range of 20 kilometres (13 miles), are being linked to Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards and were seized last month in Nimroz, a southwestern Afghan province bordering Iran.
The International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) in Afghanistan accuses Iran of providing equipment and support to Afghan militants waging an insurgency against US-led international troops.

Extraneus

Taranto today is at his all-time best.

No kidding.

Schiller owes her faux-voluntary ouster to fellow Schiller Ron Schiller, NPR's former senior vice president for development. Although the Schillers are unkindred except in spirit, the Columbia Journalism Review reported in its March 2010 issue that he was "one of her most significant hires." Man, did that ever turn out to be true!
Danube of Thought

For baseball fans, particularly Yankee fans, particularly T. Maguire. Uncivil language warning.

Extraneus

More Taranto.

"Mr. Schiller now claims he was merely shilling."

lol

Stephanie

Wisconsin is stripping the bill of fiscal matters and will vote tonight. Don't have a link, but have it on good authority.

Jane

It's on Fox too Stephanie.

 centralcal

Steph: Here is what NRO has on it so far.

Wisconsin Heading Toward Endgame?

rse

I suspect that the Aspen Institute hired Schiller for a good reason, i.e. some policy he was particularly qualified to advocate for and implement.

Had to drop him lest it call attention to what they are currently pushing.

I cannot tell you how often that entity comes up in education under its previous name- The Aspen Institute for Humanist Studies.

Janet

Senate Rejects Bill Defunding Planned Parenthood

Planned Parenthood, NPR, windmill & solar panel manufacturers...why can't these businesses stand on their own? The idea of our federal government subsidizing these businesses is just wrong. It's not just about the amount or the cause...it's about the fact that our government has no business paying these organizations with our money.

Henry

Stephanie, it's on local news now. Thanks for the heads up. All collective bargaining to be pulled out in conference committee. Only D in the room is Dem Rep Barca. Senate to vote tonight, Assembly tomorrow. This is on fast track, Walker is on board. Demonstrators are going ape.

Basically they got fed up and are done negotiating. Anchors in shock.

And I wasn't going to watch. : )

Danube of Thought

No kidding:

After Schiller announced her resignation on Wednesday, the NPR Board of Directors promptly named Joyce Slocum as NPR’s interim CEO. According to a statement from NPR, Slocum’s appointment was part of a CEO succession plan adopted by the Board in 2009. Slocum, however, appears to be just another Democrat. (h/t Liberty Pundits)

According to data from the Center for Responsive Politics website OpenSecrets.org, Slocum has donated $3,480 dating back to 1999 – all to Democratic candidates.

--Daily Caller

 centralcal

It seems a WI Dem (the AfAm gal) tweeted that she had requested an absentee ballot for a scheduled April 5th vote on judges (I think).

That indicated the Dems were not coming back any time soon and prompted the Repubs to move forward.

Here is Wisconsin news link.

Danube of Thought

Can anybody summarize the state of play on what is, and is not, "fiscal" for purposes of this event?

Janet

Warner (D-VA), Nay
Webb (D-VA), Nay

My two Senators are all about paying Planned Parenthood. How exactly are these two jokers suppose to be conservative Dems?

 centralcal

To give credit where credit is due, the above info came via Legal Insurrection links and screen cap of Tweet, etc.

Jack is Back!

janet,,

Planned Parenthood is at $360 million so far in USA susidization. Its a racket. And you and I, the pefect mushrooms, need to keep forking it up. I say "fork you Uncle Sam".

Henry

Live from senate chamber -- Barca losing his mind trying to stall / fire up protesters. Wants 24 hrs notice under open meetings law. A vote went on during his fit. Senate to vote very soon.

Extraneus

WisPolitics Blog: Scott Fitzgerald calls 6 p.m. conference committee

 centralcal

DoT: Here is an article from last week by Jim Lindgren at NRO about carving up the Wisconsin bill.

narciso

I've found the Aspin Institute, particularly risible when they have their navel gazing yearly seminar with the likes of Friedman or Fallows, so Ron should have fit in fine,

Danube of Thought

Here is the proposal the NRO guy put up a week ago:

One potential solution that has not received enough attention is dividing Wisconsin Senate Bill 11 into several separate bills, and passing the parts that do not require a three-fifths quorum. The most controversial provisions — the restrictions on collective bargaining — are subject to a quorum of only a majority of elected senators, and Republicans hold 19 of the Wisconsin senate’s 33 seats.

So Henry: will the bill they're about to vote on include the collective bargaining restrictions or not? If it doesn't, what does it accomplish? The pension and health care contributions?

Henry

CC- the Apr 5 vote is for supreme court and Milwaukee County Exec. Erpenbach bossy fit on now from IL, caught completely by surprise. They have no plan, sounds like panic. Miller threw down another gauntlet with a letter with more demands to Walker this afternoon.

PD

Local news said they're debating collective bargaining on the floor of the Senate right now with a vote upcoming.

PD

Not sure what there is to debate if there are no Dems there, though. :-)

 centralcal

Thanks, Henry. Keep us posted - you get news faster through your local sources!

God, I hope they DO this!!

DrJ

DoT,

The way I read it is that the collective bargaining restrictions only require a majority for a quorum, so these can be voted on without the Dems being present. That is what they are voting on now.

To pass the budget, now stripped of the collective bargaining language, requires 60% (IIRC) for a quorum. So the Dems will have to return if any budget is to be passed. That is now a separate bill.

DebinNC

Lingren suggested passing the cb part of the bill first. I hope that's what they're doing. I think all those districts hurrying to extend and sweeten union contracts before the bill passes made constraining the unions asap fiscally imperative.

Henry

Danube, this is the collective bargaining piece pulled out, quorum only 50%. Now voting on acceptance of conf comm Dept, passed 18-1.

Senate has passed collective bargaing provisions!!!

Sara (Pal2Pal)

It seems to me that having the state stop collecting union dues for the unions would be a bigger deal than the collective bargaining stuff. Sorry, I refuse to call them "rights." Bargaining means to bargain, so the other side can always say no. But why should taxpayers be on the hook for collecting union dues that are going to be used to work against a good portion of those taxpayers? In fact, I read last week that the collective bargaining stuff is just a smokescreen to obscure the real goal of keeping the system as it is now and have the state collect the dues.

Ranger

What else is included in the new bill? All the labor law modifications for the Public Sector Unions?

DebinNC

I don't understand, if Barca was there having a fit, why they couldn't hogtie him and pass the whole dang thing.

Ann

Dot and Clarice:

What does this mean? From Greta Wire:

President Obama outsmarted the states and not only don't they realize it, but they are thanking him!

Janet

Here's the summary at Hot Air.

 centralcal

It passed! 18-1 per breaking news tweets.

Danube of Thought

I'm hearing Roger Hedgecock say that they're going to hold the vote on the collective bargaining stuff, deeming it not to be fiscal.

I suspect the WI supreme court will have to decide the state constitutional issue of whether it's fiscal or not.

Good for the GOP. If they can get this done in Wisconsin they can get it done anywhere but the northeast and the west coast.

 centralcal

In 18-1 vote, Wis. Senate approves bill to strip public employees of collective bargaining rights

Copied from Breaking News on Twitter

Ranger

Oh, and when the Dems and the Unions start screaming out all this, we can just remind them of how the Dems used "budget reconciliation" to shove Obamacare through.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Janet: Fox doing a story on boxes to Afghanistan. From the report it is tube socks, tube socks, tube socks. A young soldier wrote his mother that they go thru at least 4 pair a day per person and they are desperate for socks. The Mom put out boxes in stores and has gotten hundreds of donated pairs of new tube socks, I think they said over 400 pair, that Mom has sent off to her son's unit.

Jane

I think that vote was the senate vote, with one republican dissenting.

Jane

Now all that is left is the assembly. And I think it is all the collective bargaining parts, not any of the pay or benefit cuts.

Ranger

What about the open shop and annual certification votes for the Unions? Those aren't "fiscal" either.

 centralcal

Correct, Jane - a Senate vote.

Didn't it already pass the WI House?

Henry

Barca on now for sour grapes fest. (He is assembly not senate, and his fit was in the conf cmte). All collective bargaining items included. Assembly to take it up tomorrow 10:00 am.

Protesters trying to occupy the Capitol again.

Walker just said the Dems had 3 weeks and wouldn't budge.

PD

It seems to me that having the state stop collecting union dues for the unions would be a bigger deal than the collective bargaining stuff.

I agree. Forcing the unions to collect their own dues would be their death knell.

Danube of Thought

SoI guess they still don't have to contribute diddly toward their pension and health bennies. Right?

If it's got the Dems and the rioting thugs upset, it must be mighty fine.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

This just makes me sick.

WASHINGTON – Americans are deeply divided over whether Islam encourages more violence than other religions, according to a new poll released Wednesday ahead of controversial Congressional hearings to be held on Islamic radicalism.

Forty percent of Americans say that Islam is more likely to encourage violence than other religions, with 42% disagreeing, a Pew poll of 1,504 adults surveyed the last week of February found.

Blacks, Hispanics and those under 30 were less likely than average to connect Islam with violence, while older, white and evangelical Christians were more likely to connect the two. One of the largest divisions, however, was political: 66% of conservatives say Islam encourages more violence compared to only 29% of liberals who agree.

Mindboggling.

Jane

Well it passed the assembly in a different form so I think they have to vote on it tomorrow. I wouldn't be surprised if the union dues thing was included in what was passed. It was non-fiscal from the standpoint that it gave people a choice to join the union and required the union to collect its own dues.

Jack is Back!

This is far from over. Law suits, protests, angry streets. Are there any beer summits? I doubt it. Defend youselves in public, public employee unions. Give us the benefits not the features. This will be like watching Rome crumble.

Extraneus

Here's from the Wisconsin Constitution:

Vote on fiscal bills; quorum. SECTION 8. On the passage in either house of the legislature of any law which imposes, continues or renews a tax, or creates a debt or charge, or makes, continues or renews an appropriation of public or trust money, or releases, discharges or commutes a claim or demand of the state, the question shall be taken by yeas and nays, which shall be duly entered on the journal; and three−fifths of all the members elected to such house shall in all such cases be required to constitute a quorum therein.
clarice

The entire bill including the fiscal stuff passed the assembly. The Senate stripped out the ollective bargaining stuff and passed it. Bet Walker signs it into law tonight. Game, set match.

Henry

Sen Larsen (D Milw) got in his care and floored it toward Madison but wasn't even close when the vote happened. The fleebaggers are heading home now.

Ranger

Well, if I were a parent in Madson, I'd start planning for my child to be out of school again tomorrow. No doubt the teachers will try to shut down the Assembly vote tomorrow morning.

clarice

I disagree with Greta .

Jane

The fleebaggers look like the fools they are.

Danube of Thought

What is the "collective bargaining stuff?" Dues? Annual votes to recertify?

If all of the c/b stuff is out, what are they unhappy about?

These 16 recall elections are going to be most interesting.

Henry

JiB, the beer summit is among the taxpayers. Lots of very happy people calling eachother and toasting the Senate right now.

PD

Statement from Sen. Mark Miller (D):

MADISON (WKOW) -- Sen. Mark Miller (D-Monona) issued a statement following the Senate's passage of a bill that would strip nearly all collective bargaining rights from public workers.

"In thirty minutes, 18 State Senators undid fifty years of civil rights in Wisconsin."

"Their disrespect for the people of Wisconsin and their rights is an outrage that will never be forgotten."

"Tonight, 18 Senate Republicans conspired to take government away from the people."

"Tomorrow we will join the people of Wisconsin in taking back their government."

Miller and 13 other Senate Democrats fled to Illinois nearly three weeks ago to prevent the Senate from having enough members present to consider Gov. Walker's budget repair bill. On Wednesday, Republicans split from the legislation the proposal to curtail union rights, and a special conference committee of state lawmakers approved that bill a short time later.
clarice

No right to bargain except for wages; unions have to be recertified, etc etc.

Prof Jacobson doesn't think it has to go back to the Assembly.

Unions planning meeting tonight to vote on general strike.

There's a live feed at legal insurrection,

PD

re: conspiring to take the govermment away from the people, Miller is apparently unaware that "the people" voted in Walker and Republican majorities in both chambers.

clarice

It was Gaylord "Earth Day" Nelson who 53 years ago first decreed that the employees of Wisconsin had a right to collective bargaining. Experiment over. And good riddance.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

I'm sorry to keep going OT, but can't resist this one.

Via Drudge: 75,000 people apply to be Charlie Sheen's intern.

clarice

Whatever the state gives, the state can take away.

Jane

I hope you are right Clarice. I'd love to see Walker sign it tonite. Boy do those fleebaggers look ridiculous.

Danube of Thought

Wonder how the electorate would feel about a general strike.

DebinNC

WI Twitter stream at LI.

Extraneus

Unions planning meeting tonight to vote on general strike.

They can't legally strike, though, right? If they do, they're teeing up a golden opportunity for Walker.

PD

Sen Larsen (D Milw) got in his care and floored it toward Madison but wasn't even close when the vote happened.

That's pretty weird. If they were so determined not to be present vote, why the panic when a vote is imminent? :-)

DebinNC

I'm interested in whether the police do their jobs tomorrow, and whether union goons terrorize WI Reps' families at home.

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