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March 09, 2011

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Henry

Protesters still arriving at the Capitol, yelling crying etc.

Senate Rs got police escort out through a tunnel.

Jack is Back!

Of those 75k intern applications came from the 14 dem WI senators? They seem tailor made for that gig.

Extraneus

Wisconsin Senate Majority Leader Fitzgerald:

"This afternoon, following a week and a half of line-by-line negotiation, Sen. Miller sent me a letter that offered three options: 1) keep collective bargaining as is with no changes, 2) take our counter-offer, which would keep collective bargaining as is with no changes, 3) or stop talking altogether.

"With that letter, I realized that we're dealing with someone who is stalling indefinitely, and doesn't have a plan or an intention to return. His idea of compromise is "give me everything I want," and the only negotiating he's doing is through the media.

"Enough is enough." "The people of Wisconsin elected us to do a job.

Henry

PD, Belling tried to figure out which fleebagger was the dumbest, Larsen was right up there with Taylor.

DebinNC

Weekly Standard describes what was voted on.

PD

Great statement by Fitzgerald. Call out that lying sack Miller.

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

From the Constitutional language Ex quoted above, ISTM there is not much for the dems to hang their hat on trying to squeeze the collective bargaining statute into a "fiscal" matter given the narrow definition of things that need a 3/5 quorum.

PD

I'm guessing the public sector guilds aren't happy right now.

Army of Angry Skinflints

Wisconsin Gov Scott Walker and his Republican Plutocrats have usurped the will of the people and set up a dicktatorship that any Tea-Bagger would admire.

Fuck Khaddafi and the rest of the Plutocrats.

Extraneus

From Deb's link:

The legislation being voted on tonight has few changes from the bill as initially proposed. It would save just $30 million less than the original budget bill by stripping out a refinancing provision. But it would still save the state $300 million over the next two years by requiring state employees to contribute about 5% of income toward their pensions and by requiring state workers to pay for about 12% of their health insurance premiums. It would also save $1.44 billion by requiring public employees in school districts and municipalities to pay 5% of their salaries toward their pensions and by removing collective bargaining for benefits, thus giving school districts and municipalities the option of requiring their employees to pay about 12% for their health insurance premiums.
Sara (Pal2Pal)

If they were so determined not to be present vote, why the panic when a vote is imminent?

Because they never expected anyone to defy them and go ahead and vote. They cannot accept they are no longer in charge.

Henry

Deb, thanks for the link. It's even better than I thought it was.

PD

Wisconsin Gov Scott Walker and his Republican Plutocrats have usurped the will of the people

Like I said earlier, the voters of Wisconsin voted in Walker and Republican majorities in both chambers. We voted them in to do exactly what they're doing.

You're saying that the voice of the people who actually show up and vote doesn't count?

DebinNC

By comparison, ID just ended teacher tenure and using seniority to determine who's laid off. WI union crybabies are living in lala land.

Jane

It really is better. Good for them!

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

Apparently the WI AG has opined that nothing in the original bill required a 3/5 quorum. Wow. The fur is going to fly. But have the unions already shot their wad? What will they do for an encore?

Jack is Back!

Any one know the over/ under on how long before the race issue rears its ugly head? They have already used Hitler, Stalin and Quaddafi. You can't have a discussion on principle with a prog without race being the bete noir of the raison de tetre.

Ignatz

The problem with Greta's theory seems to me to be that the WH would agree to ask Vinson to send it directly to the SCOTUS. Without their stipulation I find it highly dubious, as in zero chance, he has the power to order the appellate court cut out of the matter.
And if their intention is to stall as long as possible why in the world would they agree to such a stip?

Henry

Deb, per talk radio (Weber, Belling?) tenure and seniority are work rules and canned by these provisions. I don't know if that is correct, but teachers that called into the shows believed it .

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Wisconsin Gov Scott Walker and his Republican Plutocrats have usurped the will of the people and set up a dicktatorship that any Tea-Bagger would admire.

See, this is exactly what I meant above. They just don't get it. The "will of the people" was expressed in November when they overwhelmingly voted in the Republicans, with majorities in both Houses and the Governor, precisely because they wanted the budget brought under control.

No amount of foul language or pejorative sexual epithets are going to change the fact that YOU LOST!

Janet

Americans are deeply divided over whether Islam encourages more violence than other religions, according to a new poll released Wednesday ahead of controversial Congressional hearings to be held on Islamic radicalism.

This has to be a rigged poll. I don't believe Americans think Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism,... are as violent as Islam. No way.

Army of Angry Skinflints

"You're saying that the voice of the people who actually show up and vote doesn't count?"

S'matter? Guilty conscience?

Good for you.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Reason gazillion million you should not feel sorry for Charlie Sheen:

Via Fox:

Maniacal star of 'Two and a Half Men' stands to make $100 million for 177 episodes that will re-run on television
Army of Angry Skinflints

"No amount of foul language or pejorative sexual epithets are going to change the fact that YOU LOST!"

Heh.

Wisconsin Poll: Support for Budget Cutting, Not for Weakening Collective Bargaining Rights
Thursday, March 03, 2011

Most Wisconsin voters oppose efforts to weaken collective bargaining rights for union workers but a plurality are supportive of significant pay cuts for state workers. Governor Scott Walker is struggling in the court of public opinion, but how badly he is struggling depends upon how the issue is presented. There is also an interesting gap between the views of private and public sector union families.

A new Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Wisconsin voters shows that just 39% favor weakening collective bargaining rights and 52% are opposed. At the same time, 44% support a 10% pay cut for all state workers. Thirty-eight percent (38%) are opposed. That’s partly because 27% of Wisconsin voters believe state workers are paid too much and 16% believe they are paid too little. Forty-nine percent (49%) believe the pay of state workers is about right. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

Melinda Romanoff

JiB-

The next gambit is to recall one, just one, WI State Supreme Court Republican, where they are currently 4-3 in the majority. It's been in the works for a while. As well as the election coming on April 5th.

Also, Patty Murray, head of the DSCC, won't say whether Herb Kohl is going to run for re-election again. Herb, himself, is mum on the subject.

Army of Angry Skinflints

Recall Scott Walker (aka Saddam Khaddafi)

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

Yeah, AAS and the polls were about the same against Obama care, and the dems passed it w/o reading it.

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

Trolling here is really tough tonight.

Jane

You have to wonder about what kind of person loses big, and wants to hang out with the winners. Maybe all trolls are masochists.

Army of Angry Skinflints

I sense a lot of justification and sophistry in the words of commentators here. Do you understand the word "libertarian"?

Janet

A new Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Wisconsin voters shows that just 39% favor weakening collective bargaining rights and 52% are opposed.

I don't believe this poll either. The left propaganda arms are in full propagandaing! Making shit up!

Rob Crawford

It seems to me that having the state stop collecting union dues for the unions would be a bigger deal than the collective bargaining stuff.

I believe the withholding of dues is part of the contract. Eliminate collective bargaining, the contract goes away, dues withholding goes away.

Henry

Mel, Kohl will do whatever it takes to keep Feingold out. I'm sure Murray would be happy with Feingold. It will be interesting.

ss

There is NO such thing as a collective bargaining RIGHT.

Army of Angry Skinflints

I guess the libertarians here parse their politics with bean-counter logic so their heads don't explode due to nuclear cognitive dissonance.

Melinda Romanoff

Jim-

There must be a severe action alert at OFA.

Or, cleos' been cut off by mom again for beer and cheetos money.

centralcal

The insane Left, just continues to become more crazy!

Libs started the smear that talk radio (well, CONSERVATIVE talk radio) hire actors to be the folks who call in to the radio shows. And, just like clockwork, Sgt. Schultz of PMSNBC admits to having Capitol Hill operatives calling into his show. I am not surprised. Nobody else listens to his show! lol!

Rob Crawford

What will they do for an encore?

Violence.

Look at the troll -- anger, anger, anger. More interested in trying to hurt people than in do anything constructive.

(Amazing that we're "skinflints" for not accepting robbery at gunpoint.)

Jane

SS-

I keep saying that over and over, and the misuse of the word "right" is part of what has skewed the polls.

Army of Angry Skinflints

Liz;

You can address me directly if you want your lardass handed to you again.

Melinda Romanoff

Aaaah, the old chew gum or walk paradox, eh, cleo? Still an enigma for you, is it?

Pity.

clarice

Yes, Mel, and most are both illiterate and on mind altering substances it would seem.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Kohl voted with the Repubs today.

Army of Angry Skinflints

"More interested in trying to hurt people than in do anything constructive."

Or we're interested in rescuing you from your
gran mal delusions.

RichatUF

Janet-

Rasmussen plays it pretty straight. The question turns on "rights". How do people expect to cut government but not have the ability to cut government employees?

Ignatz-

And if their intention is to stall as long as possible why in the world would they agree to such a stip?

I don't get the strategy of slow walking the appeals process. And now with so many waivers, including an entire state, I would think that the administration would have to defend each one (and defend each denial). Was the legislation passed only for the lawfare aspects it presented-quality and price of healthcare be damned?

Rob Crawford

Or, cleos' been cut off by mom again for beer and cheetos money.

The thief is terrified of not being able to live off the work of others.

What we're seeing from the left is an echo of how the looting tribes must have reacted the first time farmers fought back: "BUT YOU CAN'T DO THAT!!!"

Rob Crawford

And now with so many waivers, including an entire state, I would think that the administration would have to defend each one (and defend each denial).

I can't see how you can waive the application of a law to an entire state and not run afoul of equal protection.

Army of Angry Skinflints

'What we're seeing from the left is an echo of how the looting tribes must have reacted the first time farmers fought back: "BUT YOU CAN'T DO THAT!!!"'

Oh, so you support farmers but want to fuck Firefighters?

You are consistent in your confusion, Corncob.

Melinda Romanoff

Rich-

A stalling gambit to make it a '12 issue. Such as,"You haven't seen it work yet, and those mean republicans are taking away another one of your rights."

Boatbuilder

Mel--I presume that is why the fleebagger wanted an absentee ballot, and why the Republicans pulled the trigger. (Warning--violent vitriolic metaphor!)

Hey Army (Oooh--another violent vitriolic metaphor)--the only poll that really counts is the election--or in this case the votes of those public representatives who were present in the chamber. I can guarantee you that the Wisconsin electorate will very soon come to terms with the grim reality of state public employees having the same collective bargaining rights as federal employees. Oh the humanity!!

Army of Angry Skinflints

Keep it up, guys and gals.

You'll be a lock for 2012.

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

Last time I looked farmers are not into "collective" bargaining. Nor are they employed by the taxpayer.

Cleo's back to name calling and temper tantrums.

Boatbuilder

"Do you understand the word 'libertarian?"

Dude--wrong blog.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

How did firefighters get into this conversation?

Army of Angry Skinflints

"Dude--wrong blog."

Sorry.

Do you understand the word 'fascist'?

Rob Crawford

Cleo's back to name calling and temper tantrums.

Back?

Melinda Romanoff

I think there's some old cheetos in between the cushions, if you need a fix.

Just trying to help.

Jane

Cleo is having a tantrum. He can't help himself.

Army of Angry Skinflints

Liz;

Check your butt cleavage. What you find may not be Cheetos, but I'm sure cheese is part of the mix in there.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Do you understand the word?

I have had this on profiles all over the Net for years to describe my own political stance:

Absolute belief that the Bill of Rights, which limits government and guarantees the rights of the individual, gives me the right to be biased against those (can you say liberals) who try to legislate my mind with their ridiculous political correctness and other huge government programs designed to control rather than enhance me as an individual. I strongly believe in the 2nd Amendment and the right to bear arms. I believe government's prime purpose is to defend and protect its citizens from foreign and domestic terror through a well-trained and well-equipped military. I believe in capitalism, competition, and the right to keep what I earn and I think corporations are better equipped as business managers than the government ever could be. I believe in the right to own property and the right to be left alone on that property, should I desire to be left alone. I believe that the human conscience is the closest thing I can explain as being the "spirit of God" and that the absence of a conscience (or God or good) is the definition of evil.

MayBee

Oh, so you support farmers but want to fuck Firefighters?

Well, I am not a single girl, but I often enjoy looking.

Rick Ballard

I wonder if BOzo is organizing a colloquium of highly credentialed academics in the Situation Room at the Waffle House to address the Wisconsin situation this evening?

Or is he still working on organizing a seminar regarding midnight golf for inner city youth?

Army of Angry Skinflints

"I have had this on profiles all over the Net for years to describe my own political stance:"

And that means what to me?

Danube of Thought

From Walker's statement:

We have confirmed with the Legislative Fiscal Bureau, the Legislative Council and the Legislative Reference Bureau that every item in tonight's bill follows the letter of the law.

Sounds like the group equivalent of the Parliamentarian of the Congress.

The impotent rage of the Dems, the union thugs and the trolls makes this thing just about as sweet as it could possibly be.

PD

S'matter? Guilty conscience?

Good for you.

Not at all. I voted for Walker. I want to see this bill happen. The public sector guilds provide no benefit at all to the taxpayers. They benefit only themselves, and they are too powerful.

You didn't answer my question, by the way. I take it from that, that you really don't believe the voters who disagree with you should have any legitimate place in the state government in which they are participating.

PD

Wisconsin Poll:

The poll that matters is the one in the voting booth.

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

We don't care what anything means to you, AAS.

Danube of Thought

I disagree with Greta as well. I think there is not much chance that the USSCt would take it on an expedited basis; they would rather see what a couple of the Circuits have to say. And even the 11th Circuit doesn't have to expedite it if it doesn't want to.

PD

Recall Scott Walker (aka Saddam Khaddafi)

You might think that you're saying that about Scott Walker. But you're really saying it to all the people that voted for him.

You're saying it to me. You're calling me Saddam Khaddafi.

Army of Angry Skinflints

"You're saying that the voice of the people who actually show up and vote doesn't count?'

I thought the question was rhetorical.

It doesn't count when you have the tyranny of the majority and gerrymander the legislative process.

Rick Ballard

Henry,

Has the voter registration bill been enacted yet? Can they get it in force prior to the April election?

Sara (Pal2Pal)

And that means what to me?

Nothing, I assume, but you were the one who asked the question. Can I help it if you are a moron?

I'm still trying to figure out what firefighters have to do with the NEA or teacher's unions.

Army of Angry Skinflints

"But you're really saying it to all the people that voted for him."

I don't think 'mandate' means what Scott Walker thinks it means. As for you, the Rasmussen Poll outranks you as a single voter.

Janet

"Senate Democratic leader Mark Miller of Monona says Democrats will "join the people of Wisconsin in taking back their government," but he refused to say when."

LOL!

Jack is Back!

cleo,

It means simply that you are a silly person disguised as a fool.

Army of Angry Skinflints

"but you were the one who asked the question"

There is too much insipid information in your 'quote'. I really don't see how your personal beliefs trumps the will of Wisconsinites.

PD

Actually, he did say when. The original quote: "Tomorrow we will join the people of Wisconsin in taking back their government."

Rob Crawford

Ya know, the spittle-flecked anger of the would-be slaver is icing on the cake. It's delicious to see a looter's tantrum, isn't it?

clarice

Tyranny of the majority? Could you refresh my recollection about how Obamacare was passed...and compare i to the Wisconsin situation where the Dems were outvoted but ran away to preclude a quorum and then delayed a deal so that the state was teetering on the edge of fiscal collapse ?

On second thought, foget it--you are too dumb to appreciate the irony of your nonsensical blather..

DebinNC

LI Twitterer quoted Miller as saying about returning... "not tonight not tomorrow".

Rob Crawford

It means simply that you are a silly person disguised as a fool.

Disguised?

Motley, bells, and a fool's cap isn't a disguise.

Jane

I betcha Army is not a Wisconsinite, he just plays one at JOM.

RichatUF

I see that Jane got to what I wrote first.

Also, in re: the insider-that Companion Security business is a blast from the past. A bunch of crooked fixers got burned on an Iraqi power plant deal that never went through. I remember that Wrechard at Belmont Club pointed out that Obama's tune on the war nuanced a bit when Rezko might have had a few extra suitcases of Iraqi cash. That stuff is pretty old. Also recall the DLC (Democratic Leadership Council) folded a few weeks ago so that might be where the leaks are orginating.

Mel-

That seems to be a high risk, low reward strategy. If people didn't like 7%-10% healthcare inflation before Obamacare, not sure how they'll like 30%-40% healthcare inflation with spot shortages after Obamacare, while it's being settled in the courts.

Army of Angry Skinflints

"On second thought, foget it--you are too dumb to appreciate the irony of your nonsensical blather..'

Then why did you press 'post'?

Sara (Pal2Pal)

It doesn't count when you have the tyranny of the majority and gerrymander the legislative process.

This is rich. Ugh! YOU LOST!

Oh, and as a California captive, I live under tyranny every day. The tyranny of high taxes and perks for illegals and gerrymandered districts by Democrats. They have destroyed this state.

jimmyk

The question turns on "rights".

That's the point: They're not rights, but when you call them that, the vast muddle instinctively (presumably when they answer the phone in the middle of whatever else they're doing) says they should be protected.

Then when they have time to think about it and vote, they vote for people like Governor Walker.

PD

I thought the question was rhetorical.

More likely you had no answer, the proof being your next statement:

It doesn't count when you have the tyranny of the majority and gerrymander the legislative process.

So the process of election and representation is, in your mind, illegitimate? The Republicans are in the majority, yes. That's how the vote turned out. The people who voted for them expect to be represented by them.

As it happens, *my* Senator is Fred "Fled" Risser. He fled the state, disenfranchising me and all his other consituents, just as the other 13 AWOL senators have disenfranchised all of their constituents. Interesting contempt they have for the voters of the state.

Henry

Rick, for some reason the voter ID bill requires the 20 vote quorum ( funding for the poor to get IDs?). Even if they passed it now, the lead time is too short for April.

Hey troll-- firefighters and police collective bargaining privileges are not removed by this bill. They have a clue waiting for you at the mental health department.

Rick Ballard

Rich,

Maybe $6 per gallon gas will take their mind off of Obamacare.

Danube of Thought

I just love--and I mean love--some Democrat clown phoning in from Illinois to complain about democracy being hijacked.

Huzzay, boys! On to Ohio!

PD

I really don't see how your personal beliefs trumps the will of Wisconsinites.

The will of Wisconsinites was expressed in the last election.

Tell us, if that's not what determines who serves in government, how would *you* assess the will of Wisconsinites?

Angry mobs in the Capitol causing millions of dollars in damage? Intimidation of legislators?

Sorry, pal. People get to disagree with you, and they get to vote in people who do things you disagree with.

Army of Angry Skinflints

"So the process of election and representation is, in your mind, illegitimate?"

See the Rasmussen poll.

No, I'm saying YOUR position, (Union Busting) is illegitimate. As you know, Wisconsonites
want fiscal repair, not ideological wars.

They Republicans have their compromise, but Walker isn't satisfied until Unions no longer exist. It's cover for Class Warfare, something you excoriate the Dems for, theoretically.

Rob Crawford

So the process of election and representation is, in your mind, illegitimate?

Of course it is. To a tyrant, the only valid elections are those they fix win. Why do you think the left went berserk in 2000? Why do you think Vanity Fair gushed over Assad "winning" with 97% of the vote?

PD

See the Rasmussen poll.

See gazillions of ObamaCare polls. You really want to play that game?

Sara (Pal2Pal)

It must be sending you over the edge to learn that Idaho went so far as to vote to do away with tenure for teachers. They will now be judged on merit. Imagine that.

PD

They Republicans have their compromise, but Walker isn't satisfied until Unions no longer exist.

Huh. I"m surprised you'd so readily admit that you really haven't been paying attention at all.

PD

They will now be judged on merit. Imagine that.

Wow, the same standard as the rest of us? Unfair.

Captain Hate

The troll is trading shots/hits/bongs/rails/needles with Charlie Sheen.

Army of Angry Skinflints

"You really want to play that game?'

Not with a Maroon. Game over.

macphisto

"PBS Sr VP or Development also met with fictitious group. PBS wont comment on whether he said anything that could prove embarrassing."

i'll bet American dollars that the Senior Vice-President of Development, who would be responsible for programming decisions, was considering taking a huge pile of money from Muslim Brotherhood front men in exchange for airing a propaganda series on the Reilgion of Peace or, even better, routing piles of the foundation money that supports so many PBS series productions into the MB or Hamas.

hooray for Scott Walker, who had the guts not to cave on the defining issue of the time!

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