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April 06, 2011

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Ignatz

--Will someone explain to me what the hangup is about friends using the Obama nickname Barry?--

It appears to be an Obama hangup, as most of his life is, since it recalls the days of his being Barry Soetoro, referencing a father from whom he apparently received no dreams.

Janet

referencing a father from whom he apparently received no dreams.

LOL! Ignatz! Hahahaha

Sara (Pal2Pal)

But it appears that his use of Barack was meant to convey that he didn't like the anglocized name of Barry and preferred the more ethnic name of Barack.

Or more like Barack was his official first name that got used on documents and Barry was the nickname used by family and everyone else. Goodness, I went thru the first 45 years of my life being called by my middle name because my parents wanted to honor my Grandmother, but didn't want us confused in reference. I finally got sick of always having to explain that my actual first name is Sara and one day I just started using it exclusively. This leaves me with all my relatives and friends pre-my age 45 calling me by my middle name and everyone I've met in the last 20 years calling me Sara. My Mother was thrilled I'd chosen to use Sara, but sometimes out of habit, she would forget and call me by my middle name. I went as her guest to an annual dinner and during the evening she introduced me to dozens of people. At one point, a woman came up to me and said she had no idea that her colleague had identical twins. Apparently she is one who at one point was introduced to me as Sara and later she was there when my Mother forgot and called me by my middle name. She mistakenly thought there were two daughters there.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

I also think it has to do more with how sensitive you are when younger to anything that makes you different from your peers, such an exotic first name and how that same exotic first name would be embraced by a college student in order to stand apart.

Janet

Here's an idea...Maybe we could invent some business that looked into the claims & histories of politicians & let the public know the TRUE story. We could call it news & print up the findings in something called a newspaper. Naw...that would never work.

Frau Steingehirn

"Barry" disturbs the Kenyanesque aura of "Barack" which makes him so special. With Barack, it is guaranteed that his surname is not Obaminsky, for which the entire international Obaminsky family is grateful.

Obama has an intelligent, quiet, younger half-brother from Obama Sr.'s marriage while at Harvard. (Was there a license for it?) That DNA could be used to compare with Pres. Kool's. Perhaps The Donald should hire Terry Lenzner

Frau Steingehirn

Of course, it means a trip to China.
LUN

davod

Saudi talking to Russia and China is old news.

Sue

Sara,

The reason I find it humorous is Barry informed his family, during Christmas break from Occidental, he was forever more to be known as Barack. His family didn't like it, especially his grandmother and mother, and continued to call him Barry or "Bar" for short, much to his dismay.

I find it amusing that his friend ignores his wish also.

jimmyk

Or more like Barack was his official first name that got used on documents and Barry was the nickname used by family and everyone else.

Sure, people I know before the age of 16 know me is Jimmy, others mostly not. But I'm not a public figure who has intentionally shrouded my first 25 years in mystery, possibly concealing who my actual father is, the fact that I may have passed myself off as a foreign student at college, and so on. The Barry/Barack thing evokes all that mystery.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

I just don't see it, jimmyk, although I do get your point.

Jane

Holy cow.

At 6:30 a major announcement on Wisconsin. Prosser about to gain 7000 votes.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Sue: Doesn't matter what he wanted, family and friends are creatures of habit and they are hard to retrain after a lifetime of using the diminutive.

My Mother's given name was Lucie, everyone called her that, until she started her first job, and she told them it was Lucile, because she thought it more sophisticated than Lucie. The first time she used it on a legal document was her marriage license and then later, her first driver's license, but she never changed it legally and until the day she died, her family and oldest friends still called her Lucie. Even I didn't know that Lucie was not short for Lucile until I was a teenager and she happened to mention she was named for Lucie in a "Tale of Two Cities" when we were studying the book in high school.

scott

That was just superb bgates. Top. Notch.

a propos of nothing but I'm coining 'Bachmann Palin Overdrive' before you get to it...I think.

Threadkiller

--"factcheck.org has removed the COLB that was the rock of so many."--

FactCheck at least kept the important part:

"He held both U.S. and Kenyan citizenship as a child,…"

And congressional record still has this fact that has never been debated to the contrary of overturned in any way, shape, or form:

“Every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen”

This is as simple as it gets.

Threadkiller

...to the contrary or overturned...

Greybeard

"that has never been debated to the contrary of overturned in any way, shape, or form..."
You're obviously not running in the same crowd, listening to the MANY debates I'm hearing, Thread.
And would you like me to scan Congressional record and find another really stupid quote for you?
That wouldn't take long.

Anytime I get into a discussion like this, the second amendment for instance, I ask:
What was the history and why did the Founding Fathers feel it was important to use those words?
In the case of the 2nd amendment they wanted to insure citizens would control their government.
"Natural Born Citizen" is there for a reason too.

Tell me all the reasons, do.

OK, Gb, please be a little more explicit. You seem to disagree with TK, but do you, and why? You may scan what you please.
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Greybeard

I'm disagreeing about the lack of debate.
There's PLENTY of debate about the NBC wording and why the FF would use it, and it's easy to find if you look.

Brokaw and Rose were right...
We know next to nothing about this man, yet no one seems perturbed about that.
Lemmings.

What is your Mother Tongue?

Thanks, Gb. Presuming, of course, to speak for him, I'd guess that TK's point is that even though there is debate, and it is pretty clear that the founding fathers would not consider Obama a 'Natural Born Citizen', nor would other opinion makers for about another century, still, the logical follow-up to the resolution of that debate is not happening, and that would be a formalizing challenge to Obama's eligibility.

The herd senses dismay, and early perturbation, that what they thought they knew about this man, seems not to be true.
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