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April 14, 2011

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Rob Crawford

I will not state what I believe should be done to the Trig Truthers, as I fear such a statement could result in a visit from the police.

Captain Hate

Sully's just upset he never got to exchange connoisseur notes with Stanley Ann on uncircumsized Mooslim pipe.

rse

I was rereading something on PC/Cultural Marxism last night and it reminded me that the media is just as big a component of that strategy as the universities.

And it was all written so long before they were forced to ignore so much relevant material.

Those are some stiff marching orders.

narciso

So it turns out the gelatinous Trig Truther,
uncovered by Riehl and McCain, is behind this
new eruption of feltercarb

Jane

I listened to a recording of some private investigator - posted elsewhere by a severe moonbat. The speaker, a private eye, started out by saying the first executive order Obama passed said it was illegal to look into his past.

Anyone know anything about that?

Extraneus

Does it really take a Hawaiian birth to get a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth? Er...no.

Ever hear of this guy?

Danube of Thought

Was Sun announced in the Honolulu Advertiser?

Goodbye Whigs (especially the combovers)

Yeah. Uh huh. Just keep dat Birfer momentum going.

Puts you on level ground with 'troofers'

You could call yourselves 'Starship Troofers'

Seriously, you can't do any more damage to your 2012 hopes than this stupidity.

So, Carry on !!!!!

qrstuv

I agree that Ear Leader is simply refusing to release the record for no real reason, but I think it's because he's just stubborn.

Reflexive secrecy is an interesting theory.

maryrose

OH NO! NOT AGAIN!
Back by popular demand...

Danube of Thought

the first executive order Obama passed said it was illegal to look into his past

With one eye closed and both hands tied behind my back I can tell you that no president has the power to issue such an order, and if one tried it would be, as we say when in pompous mode, void ab initio.

Captain Hate

WTF is "Business Insider"; a gynecological gazette? The comments there are pretty delusional; kind of like Sully's genital warts became semi-sentient and started talking to him and each other.

Extraneus

Was Sun announced in the Honolulu Advertiser?

Is that the standard? I thought it was the COLB.

(I'll admit Sun's baby picture is a bit hard to believe.)

Rob Crawford

The comments there are pretty delusional; kind of like Sully's genital warts became semi-sentient and started talking to him and each other.

You mean like the one that keeps chiming in around here?

DebinNC

Jane, here's BO's first exec. order, issued on Jan. 21, 2009.

Goodbye Whigs (especially the combovers)

"Ear Leader is simply refusing to release the record for no real reason"

Ever hear of 'Rope-a-Dope'?

Apparently not.

Captain Hate

Rob, I'd like to say that tortured soul is having a bad week except I don't think it has any good ones.

Goodbye Whigs (especially the combovers)

Corncob and Captain Kangaroo are having a bad year.

Let the mourning begin. (*chortle)

Rick Ballard

RSE,

Hayek would tack on the 'birthers' in the natural sciences to the MFM and institutions of higher indoctrination. I actually enjoy the diet threads because they are reminders that the liars in lab coats are continuing the 200 year tradition which Hayek very carefully traced in The Counter Revolution of Science

Perhaps Sully should sit down with Trump and compare notes?

Sara (Pal2Pal)

DOT: You do understand, don't you, that those newspaper notices come from the DHS and only indicate that some kind of document is on file. Obama's own sister was born in Indonesia, but attained a Certificate of Birth from Hawaii. Those notices do not prove anything other than some kind of documentation was submitted to the state office. They do not come from the hospitals and every researcher I've seen so far has said that their are no hospital records.

Those notices mean nothing.

Janet

Here is a short article from Cashill's blog from today - Barack Obama's First Two Years

Another big muddled time for Obama is his Bali trip to write Dreams. His sister says he spent months in Bali with Michelle. David Remnick in "The Bridge" says, "...he spent a month alone, writing in a rented hut on Sanur Beach, in Bali."

The Obama narrative is a fraud.

Cleo

I don't have a birth certificate either. They didn't give them out in Tijuana when my mother was doing her animal acts.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

I'm telling you, the reason he doesn't produce is because what is on file now replaced whatever was on file when the Soetoro adoption took place. Why that would be a big deal and could not be explained is still beyond me, but then I don't understand anything the man has done up to now. It is almost like he is a total foreigner. ::ducking::

Jane

Deb,

That must be what she was referring to.

MayBee

TM made a compelling case that Obama knew Ayer's father prior to Harvard (based on an education task force they both seemed to work on).
In my conspiratorial mind, I believe he also knew Valerie Jarrett before she became Michelle's boss and Obama's best friend.

I don't believe his narrative at all. But I believe he was born in Hawaii.

Goodbye Whigs (especially the combovers)

Gawd!

Jack Cashill? The TWO 800 conspiracy theorist?

American Thinker is where Clarice has
a perch, isn't it?

Jeebus. No wonder Birfers seek solace here.

Goodbye Whigs (especially the combovers)

TWA

Abraham Lincoln was a Negro

"But I believe he was born in Hawaii."

What is the factual foundation for your belief?

Jack Cashill wants to know!

Extraneus

I like Sara's adoption theory, where the real BC was destroyed once Lolo adopted Barry. The problem with that theory is the why. Why hide that? Who would begrudge a man the desire to relate to his own real father, flawed as that father may have been? That part doesn't check out.

Ranger

Under the "Libya policy is looking more and more like Bosnia policy" file (via Drudge):

U.S., allies see Libyan rebels in hopeless disarray

U.S. government experts believe the state of the opposition is so grave that it could take years to organize, arm and train them into a fighting force strong enough to drive Gaddafi from power and set up a working government.

The realistic outlook, U.S. and European officials said, is for an indefinite stalemate between the rebels -- supported by NATO air power -- and Gaddafi's forces.

"At this point neither side is able to defeat the other and neither appears willing to compromise," said one U.S. official who follows the Libyan conflict closely.

And with any luck, we will soon have our first UN authorized "safe haven" in Misrata to keep NATO busy on the ground too!

Rick Sanctum Santorum

It is almost like he is a total foreigner. (simile)

He IS a total foreigner. (metaphor)

I have heard he is from a planet orbiting the star Sirius. His ears are satcom devices wherein he receives his marching orders daily.

narciso

It's a site run by former Wall Street scammer
Henry Blodget, which among claim to fame, is
the beginning of the rehabilitation of Client
# 9

Ignatz

Hate to interrupt Sully-spotting with less serious fare but Diana West asks why we're still in Afghanistan and Iraq and if we can ever leave.

glasater

I think BOzo was born in British Columbia.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

With one eye closed and both hands tied behind my back I can tell you that no president has the power to issue such an order, and if one tried it would be, as we say when in pompous mode, void ab initio.

DOT: You need to take off the rose-colored glasses. Obama is a dem, Hawaii is a dem state, anything is possible and more likely probable if it has to do with politics. There are many ways to give/make an order that doesn't have to go thru official channels. It is the "Chicago Way."

A perfect example of the shenanigans that can be pulled detailed here:


OCON DOCS: Hawaii Ballot Chief...Grandma, Called Obama To Hawaii In 2008

Rick Sanctum Santorum

Why don't you tell her why we're in Iraq,
Iggy?

Don't you know?

Goodbye Whigs (especially the combovers)

He's incompetent. All I have left is this. Please let me have it.

Francis MacComber

Obama was a guide for game hunters in Kenya.

Many ivory tusks can be credited to the talented tracker.

MJW

I like Sara's adoption theory, where the real BC was destroyed once Lolo adopted Barry.

Strictly speaking, birth certificates aren't destroyed, though they can be sealed.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Hate to interrupt Sully-spotting with less serious fare but Diana West asks why we're still in Afghanistan and Iraq and if we can ever leave.

Where has she been the last 10 years? There are only so many ways one can ask and answer this question and all have been asked and answered dozens of times over the last decade.

narciso

And the delusions grow wings and fly away;


http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2011/04/another-misleading-think-progress.html

Jack Cashill

Many people in Hawaii knew this gifted youngster would someday be president. Scores of gubmint officials conspired with the family
to fabricate a paper trail that would ensure
his legitimacy as an American born on foreign soil.

Too bad Arnold Swarzenegger's family couldn't been so prescient.

MJW

Sara, I've heard that Obama's sister has a Hawaiian BC, but I've never any evidence that it's true. If it were true, I think it would have attarcted more attention, so I'm skeptical, to say the least.

MayBee

Strictly speaking, birth certificates aren't destroyed, though they can be sealed.

We know how much Obama respects sealed records.

MJW

...I've never seen any...

Ignatz

--Why don't you tell her why we're in Iraq,
Iggy?--

I'll give it a shot. It's the same reason we're detaining poor Arabs in the Auschwitz of the Carribean, Gitmo, and the Dachau of the ME, Bagram, and bombing a new Arab oil producer in Libya and some rogue troops are murdering Afghani's and taking pictures of their victims and after two years of Dem supermajorities we still have the Patriot Act; because Obama, well over two years after his swearing in self-evidently wants it all to happen.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Strictly speaking, birth certificates aren't destroyed, though they can be sealed.

It may depend on the state, but the above is not true for at least one state. I have the notarized letter from the state stating that the original has been destroyed and from the date of issue of the new certificate, there is no way to ever prove that my my husband and I are not my daughter's natural parents.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

MJW: What I saw was a standard BC genealogical search and it was in the record. Plus she herself has stated such in an interview.

Pat Tillman's Ghost

Iggy;

Less is more. Your lengthy explanation can be boiled down to a simple phrase.

Bush's war of choice.

Ignatz

I didn't know Abraham Lincoln was a negro.

MJW

Jack Cashill, I recall a case where about 15,000 children had false documents saying they were born in the U.S. I guess all their parents saw Presidential potential, since that's the only conceivable reason parents would want their children to be American citizens.

RattlerGator

You hide the real birth certificate, or destroy it, or whatever, because it destroys the Obama narrative which has been carefully manufactured.

Why does it destroy it?

Because, firstly, Barack Obama Sr. is not his biological father, and -- secondly -- Barry Soetoro is his name. And those exotic lies cannot be easily explained away. The white liberals who swooned over him (remember, black people didn't swoon over this dude until told to do so) needed that African exotic component to get the ever-loyal black masses to rally to the cause -- the exotic Indonesian step-father Soetoro would never have passed muster with the black women of America. Not even close. And without those crucial black women, Barack Obama the politican ain't hitting on diddly-squat. But him standing there next to Michelle, with those two girls, and that manufactured African narrative?

Magic.

His curious and secretive behavior isn't about his place of birth, it's about his mama's REAL baby daddy and his mama's subsequent Indonesian adventure, Barry's Indonesian citizenship, and Barry's Indonesian passport.

rse

Just ordered Rick. Anything else I should go ahead and order?

As flippant as we are, spent part of today reading a related posting about a German philosopher I was not familiar with.

Turns out he was the architect of the view of education that crafted such a special sense of the Volk and a person's role within it that it launched 2 world conflagrations.

He was only trying to make the Germans recover from Napoleon's victories. The eerie part is that his quotes were almost verbatim of certain mainstream writing now on why the community must come first and pursuing self-interest is the source of all evil.

I wrote in the margin that when you push down individualism like that, there is no safety catch among the people.

Those silly degrees we talked about on the other thread do matter because they empower ignorance in too many cases.

Ignatz

Would someone tell MJW he isn't supposed to respond to me. Can't start dialogue with your opponents, can you JOMer's?

Ignatz

--Iggy;

Less is more. Your lengthy explanation can be boiled down to a simple phrase.

Bush's war of choice.--

My explanation was quite short. Barry has continued and expanded Bush's policies. They're now Barry's choices and yet you slavishly defend him. Pitiful, Lyin.
You're betraying wikileaks with your defense of GWB's third term.

Napoleon Bonaparte

"His curious and secretive behavior isn't about his place of birth, it's about his mama's REAL baby daddy and his mama's subsequent Indonesian adventure, Barry's Indonesian citizenship, and Barry's Indonesian passport."

Good catch. There is also some talk of his
consorting with head hunters in New Guinea to learn their craft.

Ignatz is Mr Consistent

"your defense of GWB's third term."

I should lthink you would jump at the chance to defend the Idiot Bastard Son.

Crazy people are fun

It's fun when JOMers go Bi-Polar.

MJW

It may depend on the state, but the above is not true for at least one state.

I'm surprised it's destroyed in any state, but in any case, it's not in Hawaii:

§338-17.7(b) When a new certificate of birth is established under this section, it shall be substituted for the original certificate of birth. Thereafter, the original certificate and the evidence supporting the preparation of the new certificate shall be sealed and filed. Such sealed document shall be opened only by an order of a court of record.

Jack is Back!

You know, Cleo, you are a special piece of shit. You denigrate an American serviceman who was killed in the line of duty. Regardless of how he was killed, he died honorably but you, sir, and I use the term undesevedly, are the kind of human excrement I flush down the toliet daily. You are dishonorable, petulent and a big gas bag of halitosis. May your soul not rest in peace but forever struggle with survival in hell. Outside of that, have a nice day!

Crazy people are fun

Listen fuckwad.

Pat Tillman is a true American Hero, unlike you who hasn't done shit to earn the privileges we enjoy.

Why don't you crawl down that hedgehog hole you hide your patriotic pantomime in and gnaw on the roots of democracy while you shit the pellets of your pathetic political narcissism?

Ignatz

--I should lthink you would jump at the chance to defend the Idiot Bastard Son.--

The real question is why do you?
I've made no secret for years of my disagreement with many of Bush's policies including Iraq and Afghanistan. It's you and your fellow travelers who are now defending the very policies you likened to Hitler's, Mr Consistent.
When did you stop beating your Nazi wife?

Jack is Back!

My God. You are sock puppeting yourself? You are truly a disturbed or totally drunk piece of dog poop, your master forgot to pick up and put in the bin. Your Avatar is giving you away, dip shit.

Crazy people are fun

'I've made no secret for years of my disagreement"

So I've heard. But you haven't given the links that outline that opinion. I am not going to waste my time with the archives so if you want to continue to spew that fantasy;
shit or get off the pot.

You are a legend in your own mind.

Crazy people are fun

JIB

Weak response, asswipe.

MJW

Sara, any information you could provide about the details of Obama's sister's possible Hawaiian BC would be much appreciated. I don't want to sound like I'm dismissing what you say, but to me it seems so unlikely that I would require pretty strong evidence to accept it as true.

sbw

Pistolas at the ready!

Ne pas feedez les trolls.

Crazy people are fun

SBW;

Fire your weapon. Let's see if you have bullets.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Bush's war of choice.

Uh huh. bin Laden declared war on us in 1998. Then the Cole, then the embassies and the WTC. I love how dems always seem to get us into war with their cowardly wimpy ways and then try to take some high brow superior attitude and spend the next years doing everything in their power to stop us from winning and trashing the military every chance they get. They make me sick.

I guess it is now a fact that Obama is in serious trouble if the constant negative talking points being posted today are any indication of their total desperation.

It looks like we've got another year of blame Bush. I swear they are like little children with their pointing fingers and wah wah wahing, "He did it!"

Rocco

Jeez, Trump's not in love with himself much huh? I like him even less now!

Jack is Back!

Cleo,

Knives at 5 feet. Just you and me. Are you up to it? Or do you want to bring a gun? Of course you do. But first, Cleo, you need to understand that a gun in a knive fight is fine, like your darling says but not at five feet. You see at five feet you will be dead from a knife before you can get a shot off. This is why your boy (yep, he's a boy) gets everything wrong, Just like you. Both of you are educated narcissistic no-nothings and I will bet 12 to a dozen you went to public school and a 3rd rate college or maybe a junior college in someplace like Connecticut or New York, Criminal Justice major of social work something like that, right??

But the only job you could get was at Burger King and now you are taking it all out on us. Okay, I admit it - I dont't like the way you guys put the pickles on the burger. I prefer them on the side. But you do a nice job in how you put them in the little carboard box. Keep up the good work.

Rocco

And if the left would have joined our side, we might be out of Iraq now!

Pagar

Once it is OK to harass Trig Palin, his sisters/Mother, one does not have to go much further downhill to:

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/tsas-blue-meanies-strike-again/#respond

and on to:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1376649/British-tourist-Lee-Bradley-Brown-beaten-death-Dubai-police-cell.html

narciso

So, in more serious and aggressively stupid news, a whole host of Senators including Kyl
and McConnell are cosponsors on a bill that
actually expands the number of non Senate confirmable appointments

Jane

Rocco,

He was horrible and sounded like a moron.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

MJW: Sealed or destroyed, what is the difference in this case, if the only one on file and available for use is the amended certificate after adoption? His adoption by Lolo is no secret, so why is trying to make it seem like there is a secret there?

Rob Crawford

Jack, 'cleo isn't worth risking a trial over.

Block the scumbag and move on.

GS Patton

Self-absorbed twitzles. For the love-of-Pete. Who are these people?

Rocco

Did you hear him talk about running as an Indy? He says he will if he thinks he can win.

Hobbesian Sociopaths

"Who are these people?"

JOMer Trollops.

In case you didn't already know

narciso

Some people are just too stupid for words:

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2011/04/mccarthy-aide-pete-meachum-clueless-quisling-punk-insults-rep-allen-west.html

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vnjagvet

Thanks for the Trump photoshop, glasater. Is the buzz cut next?

Rick Ballard

RSE,

Some Popper wouldn't hurt but I would defer to others here as to a specific recommendation. AFAICT, the Bad Seed is the result of a romantic infatuation begun in the heart of the Endarkenment. A heavier dose of Montesquieu and a more complete understanding of Locke might have strangled the monster engendered by the ill fated coupling of Rousseau and Hegel in its filthy crib but there was only one Witherspoon and one Madison among the Founders and few beside Burke on the other side of the water. They were engulfed in a tide of infatuated idiots which has flooded and ebbed ever since.

MJW

MJW: Sealed or destroyed, what is the difference in this case, if the only one on file and available for use is the amended certificate after adoption?

There's not too much difference, which is why I said "strictly speaking." It is slightly different, though, since a sealed certificate can be obtained with a court order, while a destroyed certificate obviously can't be.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Sarah Palin claims teenage 'stalker' Shawn Christy threatened to rape her daughter: report

The gist is that this is the same guy who made death threats that prompted Palin and her friend Cole to get a temp restraining order several months ago. He is now threatening to rape Willow and plans another trip to Alaska. Palin has filed for a permanent order.

clarice

How far advanced do you suppose Sully's mental deterioration has advanced by now?

It seems rather complete to me..

narciso

This was the bill I was speaking of,

http://townhall.com/columnists/bradoleary/2011/04/14/another_obama_constitutional_grab_in_the_works

Rocco

nite all, see you tomorrow Jane,TC,DGS!

rse

Definitely flooding at the moment. And to think that the Rep's are borrowing or printing to fund a Race to the Top 2.

Popper is interesting because both sides see something in him and want to cite.

No use for historicism but also cited as pushing a more subjective view of science.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

You know, MJW, you made me think a moment. Since it cannot be obtained except through a court order, perhaps that is why the latest incantation from the registrar's office that we saw the other day says that no one, not even the principal party, can obtain the long form. Putting two and two together, this statement, which seemed a lie, since many have shown they have their own long forms, including my Granddaughter, may, in fact, be technically true.

It makes it even more strange that he wouldn't produce what is on file. I can think of only one explanation, using my daughter's as a reference. Her certificate was amended to show my husband's and my name substituted for the original parents' name. The only other info changed was to correct my birth date and my husband's to reflect our ages at the time of her birth. (We were three years older at the time of the official adoption.) And our occupations and pertinent places of birth of mother and father were changed to match our info at the time of her birth. They even show my husband at the lower rank he had on her birthday and not the promoted rank he had at the time of the adoption. All other info remained the same. Hospital, doctor's sigs, etc.

I have a legal question. If he could only prove with the long-form on file after the adoption, but took the oath of office using Barack Obama, is his swearing in legal?

Jack is Back!

Rob,

You're right, what the hell was I thinking getting in discussion with such a one dimesional character or cypher like cleol

Sara (Pal2Pal)

If it were me, and my adopted father and natural mother were divorced and I wanted to go back to my original name, I would just produce the certificate and explain that although Barry Soetoro is my legal name, I prefer to use BHO, Jr., my birth name. People use A.K.A.s all the time.

Jack is Back!

Wow! One of the great things about JOM is that you post tells you that you are up past your bedtime. Good nite, don't let the bed bugs bite.

Jim Ryan

Holy mackerel, my cong Robert Hurt voted against the budget! The no votes.

narciso

Sun was not a communist, but he was a revolutionary, an attendee of Punahou, curiously enough, and some did manage a certificate of birth, even though he was born in China

yup it's me

My mom finally came across town to visit. It was real emotional at first because it had been almost ten years. But she left real soon "because of the stench and the abuse".

So I got hammered and came here to troll yall.

Janet

Jim Moran voted yes for the budget.
McClintock, Bachmann, West, Pence, Joe "you lie" Wilson voted no.

This can't be good. I know, I know...later. We're gonna stop spending later... :(

narciso

I've made this point before, on different occasions before

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/04/obamas-doj-fail-in-relentless-prosecution-of-anti-communist-cia-agent.html

Terry Gain

Unlike everyone else I don't know where Barack Obama was born. I'm not prepared to take his word on anything.

My theory is that Obama's birth was registered by his grandparents and there is no certificate signed by a doctor. The fact of registration enabled Obama to obtain a Certification of Live Birth, which he released through the dicks at KOS, of all places.

Obama has spent millions fighting against a Court Order that he reveal what doesn't exist. If enough States require a LFBC to be on the ballot Obama won't seek a second term. That's my hope for change.

Pagar

Narciso, thanks for the 09:48 PM link.

We really need to make every effort to stop the insanity of allowing them to:

"Another Obama Constitutional Grab in the Works"

Why would any Republican put their name on this bill?

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