Obama On Immigration - When You've Lost The Times...

Not even the NY Times editors can bring themselves to pick up their pom poms and cheerlead for Obama's latest Obama 2012 posturing on immigration reform:

President Obama at the Border

President Obama went to the border in El Paso on Tuesday and delivered a speech on immigration reform. He didn’t present a bill or issue any executive orders or set deadlines for action. Aides say his goal was to “create a pathway” and “a sense of urgency” to “move forward.” That is a start but not nearly enough.

Fortunately, they have a plan!

Mr. Obama’s description of the problem was accurate, and his prescription the right one: a “good-faith effort” by both parties to pass comprehensive measures that combine border security with assimilation, not mass expulsion, for illegal immigrants who qualify.

To move things forward, Mr. Obama will have to do a lot more. He needs to outline legislation, push Congressional leaders — including those in his own party — to back it and make the case repeatedly to Americans.

The president also needs to get his own policies in order. For all his talk of supporting the hopes of the undocumented, his administration has been doubling down on the failed strategy of mass expulsion. It is pressing state and local police to join in an ill-conceived program called Secure Communities, which sends arrested people’s fingerprints through federal immigration databases, turning all local officers and jails into arms of the Department of Homeland Security.

All of this tedious enforcement of our current laws has to end before we can move forward on amnesty and a whole new batch of empty promises on new enforcement - yup, that will sail through the House and Senate.

Mickey Kaus has lots on this Presidential disconnect, but I have a Frequently Unasked Question - in Obama's speech in El Paso he said this:

And also, despite a lot of breathless reports that have tagged places like El Paso as dangerous, violent crime in southwest border counties has dropped by a third.

Obama has said this sort of thing before, and I have never found a source for it.  The Times did manage to claim that crime had fallen at the Arizona border, but they massaged that result by aggregating the much larger urban areas where crime has fallen with the smaller (by population) areas where crime in Arizona has been rising; the border in Arizona is non-urban.

The LA Times had this one year ago:

Despite the drug war that has claimed thousands of lives in Mexico, communities along the U.S. side of the 2,000-mile southern border have shown virtually no increase in crime for several years.

There are dozens of towns, counties and cities along the border and no single measure of crime along the whole frontier. But a review of crime statistics for the largest communities and interviews with law enforcement officials from Texas to California show that, despite a widespread perception that the violence in Mexico has spread north, U.S. border communities are fairly secure. Some have even become safer.

Crime is flat and some towns have become safer (suggesting that some have not).  That is not consistent with Obama's claim that violent crime is down "by a third".  Of course, Obama does not provide a time period for his claim, btu this is interesting - in January 2011 Janet Napolitano claimed that

FBI crime statistics [] show violent crime rates in Southwest border counties are down 30 percent over the past two decades and are currently "among the lowest in the nation."

Hmm - she may be right, in a very special way.  Here is a study of the southwest border counties claiming that from 1990, violent crime is down 29%.  But this study covers the period from 1990 to 2000!  If both Napalitono and this study are correct, crime fell another 1% from 2000 to 2008 (which I think was the last avaliable FBI stats as of Jan 2011) - not exactly a crime wave, but not exactly mirroring the nationwide decline in violent crime, either.

Comments

[Rob Crawford]

Overall crime rate isn't the question. If the crime rate among the native-born is decreasing faster than the crime rate among the illegals is increasing, it appears that crime is, overall, dropping.

[Chubby]

I watched a Fox video this morning of the Governor of Texas commenting on the stats Barry had cited and the governor named (and dissed) the source of Barry's numbers. I can't remember the exact details, but I will try to find the vid and and post it.

[MayBee]

The Today show had a segment today about people stealing babies' social security numbers. The reporter confronted the people illegally using the numbers. Guess who they were?

[Rob Crawford]

Guess who they were?

Mormons? Catholics living in the suburbs?

[Chubby]

Here is the Rick Perry video (posted at RCP) where he disses Obama's stats (It was from the Laura Ingraham program)

Obama apparently cited the number of apprehensions (mid tape)

Gov. Rick Perry On Obama: "This Guy's A Stand-Up Comic"
LUN

[Ignatz]

What's Barry's point;
more illegals equals less crime?
Seems a little oxymoronic even for him.
Moreover his absurd claim that the border fence is complete is risible. They quit building it so I guess one could disingenuously say that the portion they actually built is complete, but if it's really complete why is AZ solicting private donations to build more of it?

[Ignatz]

Maybe if we'd had a moat with alligators in it fifty years ago Barack Senior never would have made it here and we wouldn't be afflicted with the current pox in the WH.

[MayBee]

Guess who they were?

Mormons? Catholics living in the suburbs?

That seems like the obvious answer, doesn't it? But no!

[MayBee]

Today at the Hispanic Prayer Breakfast, Obama recited a bible verse to bolster his immigration argument.

Obama did bolster his political pitch with a biblical passage. The verse, from the Old Testament’s book of Deuteronomy, calls on believers to “love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.”

“That verse is a call to show empathy for our brothers and sisters…. and it is especially important that we try to do that when it comes to immigration,” he said.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/05/12/obama-keep-on-praying-for-immigration-reform/#ixzz1M9hbkcGB

[MarkO]

Mormons and Catholics living together?

OK. OK. I'm off with my horse.

[Rob Crawford]

MayBee, someone needs to explain to Obama that we cannot base our laws on religion.

(Or does that only apply when conservatives cite religion?)

[PDinDetroit]

Since Arizona is a "Constitutional Carry" State, do illegals want to cause trouble or are they "just passing through"?

I seem to remember the Firearm Laws in AZ becoming less restrictive over the past few years...

[peter]

You know, Rick Perry, that really is an insult to stand up comedians. There are no affirmative action stand up comedians, ok, may Whoopi Goldberg. Obama does not have sufficient talent to do two minutes at a suburban comedy club.
As for his making up the statistics about crime, no one was as talented as Bill Clinton for making false statistics up out of thin air.

[Chubby]

I don't see how encouraging and enabling "strangers" to break laws is "loving" them.

[Captain Hate]

I'm still waiting for some truth to power journo ask him why Aunt Zeituni hasn't been deported or live in the White House with the whole extended family.

[Janet]

They already are lawbreakers...they're here ILLEGALLY!!!!

[Porchlight]

They already are lawbreakers...they're here ILLEGALLY!!!!

Janet, someone in the MSM asked Calderon what he'd like us to do about immigration (or "migration" as he calls it). He says we should decriminalize it.

I wonder if next they'll ask Ahmadinejad what he thinks our nuclear policy should be.

[Jack is Back!]

OT:

Without sounding racists, but Tiger Woods has withdrawn from The Players. He was 6 over after the first 9. Knee and achilles. I don't think he'll ever be the same with his ortho condition. For a right handed golfer you put more pressure and torque on your left knee than your right. Even Bill Glasson's were not as severely damaged as Tigers.

[Captain Hate]

This is the second year in a row he's done this. I think it's more that he doesn't like the course or Finchem and should've just stayed away rather than take up a spot from somebody who wanted to play. I won't argue that his body and head aren't nearly 100% but I'll bet he does a lot better at the US Open.

[Rob Crawford]

Janet, someone in the MSM asked Calderon what he'd like us to do about immigration (or "migration" as he calls it). He says we should decriminalize it.

When Americans can buy shore-front property in Mexico, we'll consider it.

[Soylent Red]

President Obama went to the border in El Paso on Tuesday and delivered a speech on immigration reform. He didn’t present a bill or issue any executive orders or set deadlines for action. Aides say his goal was to “create a pathway” and “a sense of urgency” to “move forward.” That is a start but not nearly enough.

I don't know why this surprises anyone. ObamaCare, Zero's signature and defining piece of legislation (historic! unprecedented!) was cobbled together by Reid and Pelosi and the rest of the progressive looters. This guy has had someone do his homework for him since forever.

What he does do is what all low-level Marxist agitators do: bitch, threaten, and back-seat drive. He's Al Sharpton with a better haircut and image coach.

And I am particularly offended by this asshat throwing Scripture in my face. This from a guy who can't find his way to a church more than a couple times a year. perhaps he needs to review Romans XIII, wherein Christians are enjoined to follow strictly civil authority unless it conflicts with the God's Law. That would include immigration law Barry.

[Jack is Back!]

In case anyone wants to know what BuBu looks like, this one is 30K/lbs and is called a Penetrator - ordinance for the B2. I believe this one had Moammar's name on it.

[Neo]

Navy SEALs have become national heroes since news broke that they took down Osama bin Laden, so it’s fitting that the newest from a Connecticut company is a fierce-looking President Barack Obama as a SEAL.

[Ignatz]

--perhaps he needs to review Romans XIII, wherein Christians are enjoined to follow strictly civil authority unless it conflicts with the God's Law. That would include immigration law Barry--

Or maybe he could have read a couple chapters further in Deuteronomy to 13:6-9;

If your brother, your mother's son, or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul, entice you secretly, saying, 'Let us go and serve other gods ' (whom neither you nor your fathers have known, of the gods of the peoples who are around you, near you or far from you, from one end of the earth to the other end), you shall not yield to him or listen to him; and your eye shall not pity him, nor shall you spare or conceal him. But you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.

which would seem to apply to Muhammodens, among others.
He who lives by the old covenant verse taken out of context, dies by it; usually through stoning.

[BB Key]

Neo, I did not know that Barry knew how to swim ....

[Barry H (the 'H' is for 'Haze')]

dies by it; usually through stoning

Wait...you can get stoned - to death?

Whoa.

[glasater]

A statement on immigration by my hero Milton Friedman

Look, for example, at the obvious, immediate, practical example of illegal Mexican immigration. Now, that Mexican immigration, over the border, is a good thing. It’s a good thing for the illegal immigrants. It’s a good thing for the United States. It’s a good thing for the citizens of the country. But, it’s only good so long as its illegal....

That’s an interesting paradox to think about. Make it legal and it’s no good. Why? Because as long as it’s illegal the people who come in do not qualify for welfare, they don’t qualify for social security, they don’t qualify for the other myriad of benefits that we pour out from our left pocket to our right pocket. So long as they don’t qualify they migrate to jobs. They take jobs that most residents of this country are unwilling to take. They provide employers with the kind of workers that they cannot get. They’re hard workers, they’re good workers, and they are clearly better off.

[Jane (sit on the couch or save your country)]

Hey Soylent! Great to see you!

[Andrew X]

Given what Twain said about "Lies, Damn, Lies, and Statistics"....

I am perfecly prepared to believe that both violent crime and illegal immigration has gone down in the past two years, fact #1 a direct result of fact #2.

Of course, Mr. Obama is less forthright about his master plan to lower both.... namely by personally having such a catastrophic effect on the US economy that he is dis-incentivising immigration on large scale.

Wow. Maybe he is brilliant. Who knew a solution would be that easy?

[PD]

The House votes to lift Obama's drilling moratorium.

[Porchlight]

I guess Uncle Milt (who is my hero as well) didn't anticipate that illegals would end up getting the freebies anyway, glasater.

[bgates]

Because as long as it’s illegal the people who come in do not qualify for welfare, they don’t qualify for social security, they don’t qualify for the other myriad of benefits

The only way they could get any of those benefits would be if they were willing to break the laws of the United States in order to improve their own economic condition.

[Janet]

That Aunt Zeituni point is right on the money. He doesn't even take care of his own relatives & he's lecturing us about "love ye therefore the stranger". Good Lord. He is sickening. The Dems are sickening.

[Janet]

“love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.” Deuteronomy 10:19

[centralcal]

OMG, Janet! That picture is almost NSFW! lol

[glasater]

DSHS-- welfare -- in WA state requires that person register to vote. Illegals get welfare in this state. They don't even have to show any ID except a drivers license.

[Charlie (Colorado)]

Catholics living in the suburbs?

Actually, probably so. Think about it.

[Rob Crawford]

Actually, probably so. Think about it.

Yeah, I realized that after I posted it.

DSHS-- welfare -- in WA state requires that person register to vote. Illegals get welfare in this state. They don't even have to show any ID except a drivers license.

One of the lefties at Althouse was ranting about the Wisconsin budget bill cutting "immigrants" off from the dole.

[Uncle BigBad]

Aunt Zeituni hasn't been deported because she now has refugee status.

The Kenyans consider it an insult. They would never harm any of Obama's relatives.

[Jack]

IOW, Obama is becoming Bush III. Obama is using Bush's plans and rationales.

One difference, and you have to take a look at his whole speech. There was criticism that Bush's plan was really just a way to suppress wages for the lobbyist who created the bill. Because that is the truth. the Lobbyists' highly paid PR peeps have created a way to express this concern in very clear terms, but then use that as SUPPORT for amnesty and more worker programs which will suppress wages further. New York Times can't point that out because it is too embarrassing.

[Jack]

Here is the double-plus good propaganda from O's mouth:

"So one way to strengthen the middle class in America is to reform the immigration system so that there is no longer a massive underground economy that exploits a cheap source of labor while depressing wages for everybody else. I want incomes for middle-class families to rise again. (Applause.)"

Yes, amnesty so low wage illegals can compete for middle class jobs and new and more worker programs to bring in even more competitive labor which will make everyone even richer!!!

One thing I believe, George Bush was never craven enough to pull off a totally illogical lie and make it sound good like Obama can.

[Barack Obama]

funny, I was in Guadalajara yesterday and in order to enter one of the big factories, we had to privide official ID. My Mexican colleague provided his voter registration card. That got me to thinkin'. LUN.

[Extraneus]

Has anyone commented on the obscene Senate bully-the-oil-exec hearings? Flogging these guys over $4B in tax incentives whose purpose is to encourage oil drilling, while we borrow more than that amount every day to finance the deficit, should be a jumping-the-shark moment.

Maybe they can find 364 more industries to blame the deficit on, and convince someone with an average IQ that the takeaways won't change any of the companies' prices or other revenue-generating activities.

Why didn't the oil executives shove that down the Democrats' throats? Don't they know it would help change the majority in the Senate?

[Extraneus]

How did Romney's health care speech go?

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

I heard early this morning that the oil company realizes about .07 cents a gal of gas bought at the pump, whereas the federal gov't profits between .40-.45 cents per gal. from the taxes. Tell me again who the gougers are?

[Extraneus]

Did any of the oil execs make that point?

[jimmyk]

Has anyone commented on the obscene Senate bully-the-oil-exec hearings?

The oddest thing was that the Dems seemed to be arguing that if they "eliminated tax breaks" (a.k.a. raised taxes) on oil companies, this would somehow make gasoline cheaper. It's amazing the things that you can believe if you start from premises like profit is overhead.

[Captain Hate]

Aunt Zeituni hasn't been deported because she now has refugee status.

The Kenyans consider it an insult. They would never harm any of Obama's relatives.

Smart diplomacy

[Extraneus]

Ok.

Shell President Marvin Odum also voiced opposition.

"It can be tempting to assume that there is something to gain by taking more from a few," Odum said. "However, one must also balance the potential implications of increased industry costs on both supply and price."

[Ignatz]

As Peter Ferrera pointed out at AmSpec [and others have as well] these tax breaks for "Big Oil" are standard depletion allowances and deductions for business expenses that virtually all companies use, certainly all extractive industries, and are not peculiar to oil companies whatsoever.
They're no more subsidies than writing off any other business expense.

[glasater]

Heh Matt!!

Ext-

There was a little push back from the clips I've heard today. And Maria Bartiromo had the Conoco exec on her show telling him he had made waves over his comments it is unamerican to single out an industry for higher taxes than other business.

[Extraneus]

Jonah Goldberg:

Romney: ObamaCare Is Nationalized... RomneyCare

The essence of Romney’s position is: I stand by my successful healthcare plan in Massachusetts, but ObamaCare is a disaster because it does all of the things that RomneyCare does, just on a national level. So, if I am elected president I will give waivers to states so they can repeat my mistakes if they want to, or, if they are smart, they will reject both my approach and Obama’s.

[Ignatz]

Excellent column by George Will demonstrating that Barry and the left are, to coin a phrase, not that smart and liars.

[Rick Ballard]

Here's the XOM Income Statement.

If all income were derived from the sale of gasoline at $4 per gallon, XOM's after tax take would be 36 cents while Uncle Sugar and the state thieves would grab 32 cents in income tax PLUS EXCISE AND PLUS SALES TAX which tack on another 40 to 60 cents per gallon, depending upon which mob family's territory you find yourself robbed in.

The $4 billion in extortion demanded by the Senate mobsters would have about as much impact on the deficit as a Geithner hiccup.

[Jane]

The point of the hearings was not to get rid of tax breaks for oil companies. They don't have the votes. It was to make the public mad at the rich, personified by those big bad oil companies, and happy with the democrats trying so hard to protect against them.

[Chop Shop]

" It was to make the public mad at the rich, "

Corporate welfare; GOOD

SS and Medicare; BAD

It's obvious you are mad at the wrong people; people who vote.

BIG OIL doesn't vote and can't get your candidate elected.

Choose your allies with more care

[Jack is Back!]

I have a Jesuit education. Every time I witness or learn things like Matt's revelation of Mexican voter ID requirements coupled with JimCrow sloganeering in Wisconsin, or the double talk on kill vs. capture of UBL by or Attorney General, I cringe at the utter lack of "critical thinking" involved. Then you give me the Mel Brooks version of a Senate hearing with the oil executives coupeled with Mitt Romney's clumsy opening innings and I just want to keep reading Hesse, Nin and Sarte hoping in there existentialism there is an explanation of why I am being water-boarded with inane stupidity.

[Jack]

"Has anyone commented on the obscene Senate bully-the-oil-exec hearings?"

The whole point of the hearings, from the Democrat perspective, is to confuse the public that high commodity prices has nothing to do with Fed and Obama's Deficits and inflation. The Republicans are in no position to argue for fiscal responsibility, they made fiscal irresponsibility a "conservative" ideal. Also, they love to knee-jerk protect the oil executives who for once are innocent (relatively).

The best thing about the hearings is the executives faces. Consider their dire dilemma. If they concede that their companies profits have zoomed due to matters outside their control, like fiscal policy, the DOOM their end of the year performance bonuses. They will convict themselves of breach of fiduciary duties by their own mouths if admit the truth then later lobby for performance bonuses based on profits. Doomed.

[Rob Crawford]

Keep huffing glue, 'cleo.

[Rick Ballard]

One might think that the compensation committees responsible for setting bonuses within multi-billion dollar multinationals might have some inkling as to the effect of rising prices upon profits and use somewhat finer screens than gross profit in determining bonus and salary adjustments.

The oil execs were dealing with United States Senators - time to bring out the sidewalk chalk (probably with handouts done in crayon on butcher paper with a free 16 pack of Crayolas and a lot of white space on the butcher paper for the Senators use).

[narciso]

As a fellow graduate of jesuit schooling, I sympathize JiB, Holder had foreclosed the option of keeping Osame alive, by shutting down the interrogation program. The know nothingism re Scott's election reform b ill, is at a flying monkey screech level, in my local McClatchy. I'm a little concerned though
do you think Scott cut too much

[Semenfilledcleo]

Terrible news everyone!

My imaginary son - along with thousands of his imaginary comrades - has been redeployed by Obama to guard the Mexican border.

I'll let you all know if he's fictitiously killed in action again, provided I can use his fabricated death to shamelessly advance whatever political agenda I'm pushing.

[Chop Shop]

"Keep huffing glue, 'cleo."

Once again, Corncob has no response.

In the Land of Myopia, the Blind man is King.

[Chop Shop]

"Terrible news everyone!"

PuD;

I've noticed your contributions here are vacuous and lack any originality. I am frequently maligned for 'cut and paste' posts, but you cut and paste thoughts already expressed by your paramours.

Suck on THEIR kneecaps to satisfy your need for belonging to the ingroup. It;s your only redeeming virtue.

[Extraneus]

Gee, this is pretty surprising.

SEAL helmet cams recorded entire bin Laden raid

After all, Panetta told PBS' News Hour on Tuesday that there had been "a time period of almost 20 or 25 minutes that we really didn't know just exactly what was going on."

Guess it depends on what the meaning of "exactly" is.

[Ignatz]

--Corporate welfare; GOOD--

How are business expense deductions corporate welfare? A corporation [or individual] should be taxed on money it spent not made?
As an individual I can deduct all of my business deductions if I file a Schedule C. Every little woodlot owner can use depletion. Every corner baker deducts his expenses as well.
I suspect what you really mean is 'equal treatment for everyone including the rich and middle class and corporations large or small'; BAD.

[JM Hanes]

Extraneus:

If they didn't cut the feed, they probably couldn't simulcast video from inside the house.

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

Via Red State:

Congressman Joe Walsh (R-IL) offered a superlative smackdown of Obama’s immigration speech in El Paso through an open letter to the President:

“When you consult with Latino Hollywood celebrities such as Eva Longoria and Rosario Dawson wanting their take on, you aren’t serious. When you sit down with the SEIU and other union leaders to get their take on immigration reform, you aren’t serious. When you threaten to sue border states that are only doing what the federal government won’t do, you aren’t being serious. And, finally, when you bring up ‘immigration reform’ for political reasons - to fire up the folks on the left as the election season nears - you aren’t serious.

When it comes to securing our borders, enforcing our immigration laws and holding businesses accountable to hiring illegal immigrants, Mr. President, I, like many of my Republican colleagues, am serious. And if it would take introducing legislation to build a moat with alligators in order to secure our borders to get you to be serious on the topic - I’m game.”

Read the entire letter here.

[Ignatz]

--In the Land of Myopia, the Blind man is King.--

You've said that forever as though it's clever, but it's stupid.
'In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king makes sense' because it's logical.
Yours is stupid because it isn't.
See how that works?

[Captain Hate]

Evidently OBL read the Rolling Stone quotes of McChrystal: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tobyharnden/100087782/osama-bin-laden-to-al-qaeda-dont-bother-assassinating-joe-biden/

[Rick Ballard]

JMH,

I don't believe the Obama/Osama snuff pix redound well to Indecider Man. A loop with Panetta saying "blow his brains out" and the brains splattering while Indecider Man sits there huddled in his cape with a slack jaw would be interesting but isn't quite what the troika had in what passes for their mind.

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

Ext: Didn't they tell us on the night of the announcement that the cameras were recording everything, but they lost the signal when they entered the building and didn't get it back until they exited. The consensus, as I recall, was that the way the building was built created electronic interference when inside.

I can buy that. We have a dead spot in our house that includes the center of the family room and up here in my BR just above the FR. Where I sit here at the computer, I can talk on my cell phone, if I lean forward about an inch, I lose the call. If I hold the phone in my left hand, everything works, if I forget and move it to my right hand, boom lost call. Downstairs is the same way.

Also, when I had my little apartment in San Diego, I would lose my signal when I turned down my street. My apt. was triangulated by 3 hospitals all with Life Flight and the communications antennas on those roofs would block out all other signals inside the triangle.

I don't know this is what happened, but I don't disbelieve it could happen.

[Chop Shop]

Although I was 1-y during VN due to hypertension, my son who is an avid military historian has wanted nothing since age 5, but be a marine. He was tested at 60 but was rejected because of a history of asthma.

[narciso]

heh, I imagine that Hastings gets special dhimmi status, for 'work above and beyond the call of duty'. It's curious how MaChrystal really had a large part in the reorganizing of the intelligence, yet he's mostly out of the picture.

[Chop Shop]

"graduating in the top third of the law school class "
I think 66% is a 'D'.

Posted by: Chop Shop | April 28, 2011 at 08:16 PM

[Captain Hate]

It's curious how MaChrystal really had a large part in the reorganizing of the intelligence, yet he's mostly out of the picture.

Somehow those dots remain unconnected by the MFM geniuses

[narciso]

Would they have gotten interference from that radio dish, in the front yard, that's a possible explanation

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

Narciso: Could be, I don't really know much about the whole subject. I've had interference twice as described, for different reasons. I only know why I had trouble in the apt because another neighbor was an EMT and he said my block was notorious for having no reception. As to the house, after 3 years, we still haven't figured out what is causing the problem. The former owner was an electrician and has the house wired for sound everywhere. I suspect that up in the roof crawl space there must be a jungle of criss-crossing wires or something that is laying a blanket of blackout that penetrates down thru 2 floors.

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

Good grief!

Councilman Jerry James tells AkronNewsNow.com “There’s a lot of seed that comes out on to the bird feeders, and they spill on to the ground, and the seeds that aren’t eaten by the birds decay and then some birds will come and get them, and then they end up getting sick and dying.”

James says his proposed ordinance would deal with the maintenance of the bird feeders, making sure that the overflow does not lay down on the ground, decay, and cause a problem.

Jerry James says odor is also a problem from the decaying bird seed.

I call bigot. What about the squirrels who gather all those Acorns that fall as the seeds of the mighty Oaks that grow in the forest? Doesn't Jerry care about squirrels?

And the Robins that spend their days pecking open the Maple nose seeds that fall to the ground? Does he only care about birdfeeder fed birds? Don't Robins count too? Is he racist?

You be the judge.

[matt]

I mentioned the anomaly of not having video of every moment of the raid live @ 10 days ago. The toys they have are crazy mad Buck Rodgers stuff.

The ability to read the license plates on Russian trucks and the serial numbers on tanks has been around since the 60's and early 70's. It just a matter of positioning the satellites for the uplink, which I am sure we did.

The whole denial and obfuscation program is either intentional disinformation or gross incompetence. That it is all coming out indicates the latter. In the covert world, what happens at SEAL Club stays in SEAL Club. The leaks are almost surely from the pols.

[clarice]

I thought we mostly agreed that no signal could penetrate three floors of a concrete (and rebar) house?

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

I love Bill Whittle.

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

That's what I thought Clarice.

[Rob Crawford]

“There’s a lot of seed that comes out on to the bird feeders, and they spill on to the ground, and the seeds that aren’t eaten by the birds decay and then some birds will come and get them, and then they end up getting sick and dying.”

Never mind "not a single sparrow can fall to the ground without your Father knowing it" -- now we have "not a seed shall fall upon the ground without the government there to catch it".

What leads people to such casual totalitarianism?

[Rob Crawford]

I thought we mostly agreed that no signal could penetrate three floors of a concrete (and rebar) house?

I'll agree with that. Compare it with a parking garage.

[Danube of Thought]

I thought so too. And there are other reasons why, in those circumstances, no signal would be available.

[Melinda Romanoff]

Rebar and concrete?

That was mostly a block (as in cinder block) house, the columns and slabs would have been rebarred, but thinly, 3/8s tops..

No Faraday Well in that type of construction.

Just more lies.

[Melinda Romanoff]

The slabs might have a rebar grid of 24", reinforced with a 6" screen, but that house looked thrown up, not designed, so it probably was off the shelf.

No, it was no better than any other Haitian expanse.

[DrJ]

I don't see any inconsistency with not having a live feed, but having the video available now.

It is very possible that the link could not be established in the house, but that each camera had its video stream saved locally (namely, in the camera the SEALs were wearing). The bandwidth is low, and a suitable flash drive could hold the entire video stream.

It's a possibility, but certainly no fact.

[Danube of Thought]

If I'm a SEAL, I'm flipping the switch to "off" as I leave the helo. Just sayin'.

[clarice]

Akron is not exactly Florence and the local councilmen are not likely to be Medici caliber.

[Jack is Back!]

Listen up people. I will say this one more time. You can use leaky feeder technology to send messages out of rebared buildings. Nothing special. Nite all. Weak battery.

[Rob Crawford]

Melinda -- even a light structure, in the mountains, about 100 miles from the nearest US fixed communication gear, with only a handful of US aircraft in the area.

There may be recordings from the gear on the troops, but I doubt the White House was watching like they did from the command car in the movie Aliens.

[clarice]

Me, too, DoT..Hey, maybe they thought Holder would be in the situation room preparing subpoenas.
How ghastly is this? 1 in 5 thinks OBL is NOT dead. (Probably less than would vote for him if he made it on the ballot.)

[Captain Hate]

What leads people to such casual totalitarianism?

He's a donkeycrat in Cuyahoga Falls; they've had a lot of rain recently and the roar of the falls has obviously caused a grand mal.

[Captain Hate]

Is it just me or does anybody else think that Steadman may actually be dumber than BOzo?

[clarice]

It's not just you, ch.

[Melinda Romanoff]

Rob-

Not to be a nag about it, but what US built piece of machinery, equipped with the highest quality electronics, was parked outside?

Perhaps even designed to relay remote small RF transmissions to a stealthy sat-link?

Is it that big a leap?

[narciso]

There are no words, that cover this level of circle jerk, but I attempted some anyways.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/267053/outstanding-achievement-field-specialness-mark-steyn

[Danube of Thought]

I know BOzo is Obama, but am not current on Steadman. So I have no idea who is the dumber.