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June 28, 2011

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anduril

Yeah, who would ever suspect that Bachmann was a kook, but for media bias? I mean, there's nothing kooky in this Bachmann: Got "sense" from God to run for office sort of stuff, is there?

As far as I can tell, for Bachmann "God" seems to be a "feel[ing]" that she gets, "a sense of assurance...that God is speaking into my heart."

Thomas Collins

It's happening again. What MSM has done to Palin it is going to do to Bachmann. And the mainstream GOP will just tut tut instead of fighting back.

Threadkiller

“Headlines” at Hot Air has Stephanopoulos going after Bachmann. It is the usual stuff. In the spirit of getting down and dirty I wish they would fire back at these interviewers about statements the interviewers have made in the past.

George Stephanopoulos talks about the presidential transition
On February 13th, 2009, Stephanopoulos, during a 58 minute gush-a-thon over newly appointed President Obama and his greatness, declares Obama “owns the economy” as of that date. It is at the 32 min mark.

Shortly thereafter he explains the difference between the “echo chamber” interviews of cable/talk radio, that only appeal to a particular group, and network interviews that are more about the facts.

Dave (in MA)

How about this?

obama+2008+experience

anduril

Good stuff: Credit Default Swaps Are Once Again At The Center Of Financial Crisis.

This article goes remarkably well with Tom Sowell's article. Sowell is right to be concerned about democracy. However, internationally, he would have done better had he expressed concern about the ability of a president to unilaterally involve us in a new war. And, in the big scheme of things, rather than worrying about taxing rich people more--we can all debate that--perhaps the bigger threat to democracy by far is the way in which Wall St has bought of our "representatives" so they can continue their taxpayer subsidized gambling spree. Perhaps raising taxes on the rich isn't the best idea, but in effect this wild speculation is imposing a far huger tax on the whole country.

Sue

Maybe we could ask Obama how to say Bachman is a flake in Austrian?

narciso

Or how about that footage, preinauguration, where Gore couldn't identify Jefferson, I recall it from Rush's old tv show.

Sue

Or maybe would ask Obama to retell that wonderful story about how Selma, Alabama brought his parents together. That's really my favorite bedtime story.

Dave (in MA)
On February 13th, 2009, Stephanopoulos, during a 58 minute gush-a-thon over newly appointed President Obama and his greatness, declares Obama “owns the economy” as of that date
After which he and Crissy M. popped a couple of Cialis and dragged some clawfoot bathtubs up the hill.
Sue

Or how about Hillary dodging bullets or Biden chasing Hezbollah out of Lebanon?

Gawd, I hate the MSM.

Clarice

It's time to make the media lites pay--utubes of their mistakes and missteps, maybe even Breitbart type stings.

anduril

She may be a kook, but she's OUR kook! There, I summed it all up for ya'll, so you can move on.

Sue

Got any corpsmen? Be sure to pronounce the "p" when requesting one.

Appalled

Mistaking the home town of John Wayne for the hometown of John Wayne Gacy actually requires a pretty high level of knowledge that combined with a synapse malfunction, or a staffer with poor google skills. Since it's amusing -- sort of like the 57 states of Barack Obama -- it hits the press. I don't think it shows media bias at work, to be honest.

The Obama thing is neither funny or all that noteworthy, nor does it have much to do with the Obama media image. If we had President John Kerry, professional veteran, I imagine this would have been a big deal. I agree with the soon to be prevalent optinion that it would have been a big deal if W had made that mistake. I think the comparison of the media treatment of this to the Bachman thing is like comparing grocery store Cool Whip to a chili cheese dog at the Zestos in Little Five Points, Atlanta. (In other word, the comparison is entirely arbitrary.)

Sue

Appalled,

I think Bachman repeated a story told by her family about John Wayne's parents and confused the story where his parents left Waterloo. Sort of like Obama confusing where his grandfather (or was it his uncle, narciso will remember, I don't) freed the Jews at Auschwitz. Obama, like Bachman, confused a family tale. His confusion, however, was glossed over as just that. Confusion. Bachman is treated as a flake.

To which I say, eff the media.

Threadkiller

At the 50min mark Stephanopoulos explains how he, while working for Clinton, used to game the Mainstream media, but now, with the Internet, “truth wins out”.

He goes on to explain: “Issues that might engage the passions for a moment that aren’t all that important are a little easier to withstand, actually, in the current environment, if you are willing to just tough it out, because this machine will be on to something else in 48 hours”


How true.

Extraneus

Good looking Republican women are idiots. There, I said it.

Thomas Collins

Appalled, I think it is quite newsworthy when the Commander in Chief treats Medal of Honor recipients so cavalierly that he doesn't bother to focus upon the recipient he has met and the one who has given his life. That is not sloppy staff work. That goes to the core of Obama's self-indulgent arrogance and disdain for individuals (such as our brave warriors) who are outside of Obama's circle (credentialled moronocrats like him).

Stephanie

Zesto's? Yum!

MayBee

The Obama thing is neither funny or all that noteworthy, nor does it have much to do with the Obama media image. If we had President John Kerry, professional veteran, I imagine this would have been a big deal.

What?
Obama actually held the ceremonies where he made the awards. He met the families. He spoke with Sal Giunta.
How in the world is that not noteworthy?
He is the Commander in Chief with 3 wars going.

narciso

It was his uncle, Charles Payne, and it was the wrong camp that Barry named, it was Ohdruf not Aschwitz,

Threadkiller

--"Or how about that footage, preinauguration, where Gore couldn't identify Jefferson, I recall it from Rush's old tv show."--

I posted the video a couple of weeks ago, but I can't remember which thread.

Stephanie

Maybee: Obama didn't hold those ceremonies, TOTUS did.

Obama had just about as much involvement in the ceremony as my computer does to your reading this.

Porchlight

Media bias aside - and the Gacy reach by the MSM is pretty awful - I think the Wayne gaffe was a dumb error by Bachmann.

She's known forever that she planned to announce her campaign in Waterloo. She's from Waterloo and she makes a huge deal of that in her speech. She almost certainly has made the John Wayne connection before and if she hadn't, she probably planned to bring it up at some point. It takes less than 30 seconds of googling to establish whether or not Wayne is "from Waterloo."

It's not like she was on a whistle stop in a town she'd never visited before and screwed up something local. She was making a big deal of her Iowa connection and had all the time in the world to get the facts right before doing interviews. If you can't prep properly for your POTUS campaign announcement you've got problems.

Plus, comparing herself to John Wayne was just super lame in the first place. Come on.

MayBee

John Wayne was just a guy in Bachmann's neighborhood.

Danube of Thought

I understand Bachmann said John Q. Adams was one of the Founding Fathers. And then there's her confusing Concord, N.H. With Concord, MA.

Sue

Porch,

You are right, but Obama did the same thing with his uncle, as narciso just so graciously reminded me. He had plenty of time to get the story right and didn't and it was his own damn family he screwed up on. It isn't really Bachman I'm defending, it is the MFM I am blasting for their double standard.

Threadkiller

Clintons and the Gores at Monticello!

A fart sound at 21min 10sec

Stupid question at 22min 12sec

Extraneus

TOTUS wouldn't have made that mistake, either. TOTUS remembers Sal Giunta, and Jared Monti's parents.

MarkO

Excellent work, but if we're running Bachmann I have only one word for it: Doom.

Whatever the substance of the woman, the conservatives, since 2008, have acquired no new national media to drive the visuals and the audio. She will be seen as lighter than air and unelectable. She and her supporters will not see this nor belive it. Like Newt, the dream lives on, to the detriment of a victory.

No need to let me know how the world should be. Some big money conservatives should have taken over one of the broadcast networks. That would have made more difference than anything.

narciso

Now mind you, she's been reminded once before that she was wrong about Adams the Younger, Rollins has had such a good influence on her, so far.

Porchlight

Sue,

You're totally right about the double standard. Obama's mistakes in his story about his uncle were much more bothersome and the MOH incident was simply appalling.

MayBee

The media doesn't want to cover Obama's Giunta/Monti mistake because it is soooooo mortifying. It is too mortifying.

Threadkiller

--"John Wayne was just a guy in Bachmann's neighborhood."--

Ha! Haha! Hahahahahahah!!!

Dave (in MA)

Bachmann was having an asthma attack and forgot to bring her breathalyzer, how is she supposed to get the facts straight on something that happened 200 centuries ago on cinco de quatro?

MarkO

I'm shocked that there is a double standard. We talk of nearly nothing else here. We can continue to observe the obvious, hope for the "perfect" candidate, or do something to change the media. Many here are so engaged, but the real change will have to come through taking one of the big three.

Sue

Dave,

Exactly.

narciso

And there's this classic;

http://www.freerepublic.com/f-news-2268707/post

Sue

Bad link, narciso.

narciso

Basically, Obama says the constitution is 2000 years old, this was two years ago.

Dave (in MA)
the real change will have to come through taking one of the big three.
Car companies? TV Networks? Celtics forwards?
Charlie (Colorado)

As far as I can tell, for Bachmann "God" seems to be a "feel[ing]" that she gets, "a sense of assurance...that God is speaking into my heart."

Yeah, and?

cathyf

Anybody know (without google) who Marion Morrison was named after?

Dave (in MA)

It's not as though she's claiming that she's going to slow the rise of the oceans.

Ro b Crawford

So Anduril and 'cleo can post but not me?

WTF?

Threadkiller

New campaign strategy for Bachman:

"Come on! I just answered, like, eight questions,"

"An exasperated Barack Obama scurried away Monday from the toughest news conference of his campaign, telling reporters who kept shouting questions that he'd spent enough time on the grill. "Come on! I just answered, like, eight questions," Obama, looking surprised, told shouting reporters as he fled the room. "We're running late."

The Clinton campaign has long complained that Obama gets soft treatment from the press corps"


Melinda Romanoff

Not yet.

narciso

It turns out, Cathy, I thought it was maybe
Francis Marion, but actually it was his father's name, just different middle.

Chubby

In terms of idiocy capital, Bachmann's John Wayne gaffe is the equivalent of some obscure penny stock. Obama's MOH gaffe is the equivalent of a huge multinational corporation.

Porchlight

Yes, I agree, Chubby. But I don't want to let Bachmann off the hook just because Obama is worse. She'll have to step up her game if she wants to compete.

MayBee

She will, Porch. She is actually quite prone to saying things that are a little off.

Chubby

Porchlight, I agree. Still, a gal can dream ...

...about go to gaffe-o-meter websites where all the gaffes are measured and nothing goes down the memory hole

Sue

I think he was named after his grandfather, although his original birth name was Marion Robert. His family changed it to Mitchell because they wanted to name their next son Robert. He went by Duke as a child because he didn't like the name Marion (can't say I blame him) and later became John Wayne. He was credited as Duke Morrison in one or two early credits.

::sigh:: My father had a picture of John Wayne hanging next to his recliner. No pictures of us kids, just John Wayne.

Chubby

I wonder if daddy has ever tried out OR-EEEEEEEEEEEEE-ON on one of his hikes

Threadkiller

Bachmann...

Porchlight

I wonder if daddy has ever tried out OR-EEEEEEEEEEEEE-ON on one of his hikes

Heh. One of my favorites. I think I shared the story where I was telling Mr. Porchlight about that. His one word response: "MOR-EEE-ON."

Clarice

It's time to get that death mobile out of the garage and start aiming for network hqs..Where's Blutarsky?

Cecil Turner

This is interesting, claiming the Morrisons were only married for 8 months. If that's true, and the "first home in Waterloo" bit is as well, then Marion Robert (later Marion Michael, aka John Wayne) was likely conceived there . . . which would fit Ms Bachmann's preferred definition of being "from there." If I was her, that's the story I'd be telling . . . for the amusement value if nothing else (better not to've brought it up, of course).

She's pretty lightweight for a presidential candidate (though I think she'd be fine for VP). But the "John Wayne Gacy" stupidity is ridiculous (and as clear a case of bias as you'd need, if you somehow needed evidence for something so obvious).

Chubby

:) Porchlight ... if you did, I missed it the first time

Porchlight

Chubby, he voted for Obama, too. After that was when I knew he was not going to vote for him twice.

cathyf

The grandfather was a Civil War hero...

Sue

His middle name was Mitchell, not Michael.

Chubby

Porchlight, I'm glad your hubby was able to see through O bama .. with a bit of help from you, I'm sure :) He's a lucky and obviously a smart man.

Jack is Back!

She needs to move on and be the "pit bull" until Palin or Perry come in. Romney won't do it, Huntsman is a professed wimp, Herman Cain can't get any media traction, Pawlenty needs more pics of him playing hockey and Santorum needs to stop parting his hair and forget the social issues for now.

I keep harking back to the Reagan speech at the Statue of Liberty. It wasn't about President or Mr. Carter it was Jimmy Carter this and Jimmy Carter that. Bachman needs to do the same number on Obama - call him out - by name - even put the Hussein in there for good measure.

Porchlight

Thanks, Chubby! Unfortunately I must report that as of now he plans to vote for Ron Paul. :( However, I am hoping that will change by November 2012.

Cecil Turner

His middle name was Mitchell, not Michael.

How interesting . . . another dispute I wasn't aware of. The source linked above gives his grandfather's name as M. Mitchell, and the Duke's (changed) name as M. Michael. Although I found the eight months after marriage story somewhat compelling, I'm starting to have doubts about that account.

Frau Dolmetscherin

From now on, let's insist that none of the Republican women running for president is attractive. What we need is not Eleanor Clift or Hillary! blah or Helen Thomas frightening, but something more serious and monumental.

Laugh while you can, wise latina.

anduril

She may be a kook, but she's OUR kook!

Cecil Turner

She needs to move on and be the "pit bull" until Palin or Perry come in.

Most of the others are too liberal on fiscal matters. We don't need Obama-lite on the next budget, which I suspect accounts for her otherwise unaccountable strength in the early polls.

MayBee

As far as I can tell, for Bachmann "God" seems to be a "feel[ing]" that she gets, "a sense of assurance...that God is speaking into my heart."
====

She isn't saying that's what God is. She's saying that's how God communicates to her.
Why? How does God communicate to you?

Chubby

Porchlight, your husband sounds like he was one of the Obama voters who were sincerely worried about government spending and voted for Obama thinking he was going to cut back, as he promised. As far as I can tell, they were the first to turn against Obama and did so in short order.

anduril

As head of the Jewish Agency Political Department, Meir called the mass exodus of Arabs before the War of Independence in 1948 as "dreadful" and likened it to what had befallen the Jews in Nazi-occupied Europe.[13]

In 1958, she was recorded as having praised the work of Pope Pius XII on behalf of the Jewish people shortly after the pontiff's death. Pope Pius's legacy as a wartime pope remains controversial to this day.[21]

The same year, during the wave of Jewish migration from Poland to Israel, Meir sought to prevent disabled and sick Polish Jews from immigrating to Israel. In a letter sent to Israel's ambassador in Warsaw, Katriel Katz, she wrote: "A proposal was raised in the coordination committee to inform the Polish government that we want to institute selection in aliyah, because we cannot continue accepting sick and handicapped people. Please give your opinion as to whether this can be explained to the Poles without hurting immigration."[22]

In 1949, Meir was elected to the Knesset as a member of Mapai - Mapai, lit. Workers' Party of Eretz Yisrael was a left-wing political party in Israel, and was the dominant force in Israeli politics until its merger into the Israeli Labor Party in 1968.

The party was a member of the Labour and Socialist International between 1930 and 1940.[1

JackisBack!

Golda Meir, another one of those Wisconsin lasses unafraid to pull pistolas and use them. Right, Clarice?

Sue

Cecil,

Biography.com says it is listed both ways, in various places. Michael and Mitchell. I did not know that.

anduril

"How does God communicate to you?"

I can't be sure that God does communicate directly to me--when I feel a sense of assurance I assume that's just my own emotion. As for God's communication to me or any other human, I go with the standard forms of revelation sanctioned by the Catholic Church in its Apostolic Tradition: Compendium of the Catechism of the Catholic Church. However, I take personal responsibility for my understanding of those matters and don't assume that my understanding--or any feeling I experience while considering such matters or while praying--is God speaking to me. I believe that my understanding of these matters is the standard Catholic understanding, which deprecates private revelations.

Clarice

My grandparents knew her. She carried packages there for relatives.My grandfather said she used to be one of many political speakers in a local park (Milwaukee's version of Hyde ark, I guess.) Her mother used to try to pull her away saying her conduct was unseemly.

anduril

"Give me your tired, your poor/Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free" ...

but not "sick and handicapped people."

"we want to institute selection in aliyah."

An interesting concept. Apparently there's another type of aliyah gaining in popularity: "reverse aliyah." Very interesting video.

Extraneus

The media strategy was to build Michelle Bachmann up as a way to keep Sarah Palin from getting into the race, but they can't resist trashing a good-looking Republican woman, since all good-looking Republican women are idiots.

MayBee

I believe that my understanding of these matters is the standard Catholic understanding, which deprecates private revelations.

She obviously believes differently than you do. Not sure why that is so fascinating to you.

MayBee

Really, it seems to me that people praying to God for comfort, for wisdom, for courage, for help, etc is absolutely normal. It is not the least bit kooky to believe God hears our prayers and may even answer them.

bgates

The Obama thing is neither funny or all that noteworthy

I guess that depends on whether you think of the men who have earned the Medal of Honor as heroes who risked and in some cases sacrificed their lives in service to our country and therefore deserve our respect, or as admittedly useful but interchangeable and cheap tools like individual squares of toilet paper. Clearly you and Obama take the latter view. It's a minority position.

nor does it have much to do with the Obama media image

The fact that there is such a thing as a media image destroys your claim that there is no media bias, otherwise Obama's media image would include all the things that Obama does.

Besides, this mistake has plenty to do with his image. The Obama media image is of an omniscient and infallible being. When Kim Jong Il is in a bad mood he beats his press corps with bundles of Obama's press clippings, shouting "why can't you guys write stuff like this?" Any of his many mistakes shows that image to be incorrect. That is noteworthy.

JackisBack!

Does this mean Tolkien was a Cathechist?

Charlie (Colorado)

Obviously, a. doesn't listen to God; he's too busy speaking for God.

bgates

I believe that my understanding of these matters is the standard Catholic understanding

I am prepared to wager up to three times the current federal debt that the winner of the 2012 Presidential election will not share the standard Catholic understanding of these matters.

MarkO

"She obviously believes differently than you do. Not sure why that is so fascinating to you."

Good thing she's not a Mormon.

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vnjagvet

You're on a roll today bgates. Heh.

MarkO

Obama's just not that smart. If the media let the public know what he really says and does, the public would not think he's that smart. That's it.

Appalled

bgates:

I could play with your strawmen, but that's likely a waste of time...

I did not argue there isn't media bias. The media is definitely socially left of center, and feels that candidates who are confidently evangelical are crazy, hypocritical, stupid, or all of the above. Hence what we see with both Palin and Bachman.

That said, the media has a thing for stupid twists of the tongue, that don't require much explaining. Bachmann's altogether ooky problems with the Adams family, and keeping the serial killer and the movie actor straight make for entertaining copy that does not require a reporter to actually go and report.

As for the Obama thing -- (1) I think the man simply made a mistake, which happens. That does not make Obama stupid or callow. Just human, like the rest of us. (Whether Obama thinks he's just like the rest of us is another question....). (2) The story hook is hard to find. Obama made a mistake. He mispoke. He did so without malace. Nobody is going to get the story without taking up three minutes of airtime that feels like a hitpiece on trivia. TV guys know they'll lose their audience for the upcoming Viagra ad, and won't bother with something like this.

As a suggestion, bgates, an incendiary commenter like you should watch playing around with strawmen. Somebody is likely to get burned.

Chubby

((...keeping the serial killer and the movie actor straight ))

aka keeping the lifelong Democrat and the lifelong Republican straight

Chubby

((He mispoke. He did so without malace))


but Bachmann twisted her tongue, eh?

MayBee

(2) The story hook is hard to find. Obama made a mistake. He mispoke. He did so without malace.

Why isn't absolute callousness enough? There is sometimes malice in lack of concern.

He didn't misspeak. He told the wrong story about the wrong guy to the military division of the man who had died. To people who care deeply, he showed he did not care enough to Get It Right.

anduril

it seems to me that people praying to God for comfort, for wisdom, for courage, for help, etc is absolutely normal. It is not the least bit kooky to believe God hears our prayers and may even answer them.

She's welcome to do all of the above as often as she likes--I do several times a day. However, she's saying that what she comes away from prayer with--a decision to run for president, perhaps a decision to go to war, etc.--is the voice of God. That's kooky, because it's unverifiable and unfalsifiable.

"I pray believing that God will speak to me and give me an answer to that prayer."

"I have a sense of assurance about the direction I think that God is speaking into my heart that I should go."

IOW, she believes that the concrete decisions and resolves she takes away from her prayer is God's will. That's kooky and dangerous.

anduril

Does this mean Tolkien was a Cathechist?

There's certainly no question but that he knew his catechism very well and that it informed his thought and writing.

Barbara
If you can't prep properly for your POTUS campaign announcement you've got problems.

Plus, comparing herself to John Wayne was just super lame in the first place. Come on.

Exactly, Porchlight. She should understand, as should all the Republican candidates, that the media is trolling for mistakes - not matter how inconsequential - to belittle and embarrass them. It doesn't matter that Obama has committed far more egregious errors. The media will never cover them, but one memorable gaffe by Bachmann will taint her whole campaign from now until election day.

Danube of Thought

"He went by Duke as a child because he didn't like the name Marion "

As I recall, when he was a kid he had a dog named Duke. Adults started calling the dog Little Duke and him Big Duke.

My brother has a framed picture of Wayne (as Rooster Cogburn) in his den signed "to XXXXX, the finest destroer squadron commander in the world." He is encyclopedic on the man and his films.

Appalled

MayBee:

I think you are letting the alternative media narrative shape your feelings on this. These guys make a lot of speeches, see a lot of people, make a lot of decisions, and, oh, by the way, amke decisions that put people at risk. Daily.

The mind is a nasty thing. It rebels. It has you confuse things that, for some reason, are linked in your mind. It does this, no matter how much you care.

Mistakes happen. Our politics would be a lot less repugnant if the partisans would give some credit to human fallibility. I'm sure the Medal of Honor winners and their families would prefer that their cermonies not, somehow, become part of the same old partisan football game.

anduril

That first quote re Meir--obviously a woman with a conscience, even if she was a wacked out socialist--bears repeating. With bolding:

As head of the Jewish Agency Political Department, Meir called the mass exodus of Arabs before the War of Independence in 1948 as "dreadful" and likened it to what had befallen the Jews in Nazi-occupied Europe.

So, Nakba is like Shoah? Maybe she prayed over that and concluded it was God's voice.

JackisBack!

As a Jesuit educated Catholic, I pray and do evening vespers. I also believe God does speak to me in the ways I make decisions and the way I may see things. That is not kooky but faith. Your cathecism is not proof but a guide to your faith. Try St. Augustine and you will appreciate Bachmanns revelation. Geez!

Cecil Turner

Bachmann's altogether ooky problems with the Adams family, and keeping the serial killer and the movie actor straight make for entertaining copy . . .

Sorry, Appalled, but if you actually think "keeping the serial killer and the movie actor straight" is a fair summary of that "gaffe," then you're either missing the point or hopelessly blinded by partisanship yourself.

The story hook is hard to find. Obama made a mistake. He mispoke.

Again, hard to construe as fair. He made a little story out of giving a medal to a live guy. If he'd gotten the facts straight, his story makes no sense. It's not a standard misspeaking, it's a completely wrong summary of events.

Threadkiller

--"She may be a kook, but she's OUR kook! There, I summed it all up for ya'll, so you can move on.

Posted by: anduril | June 28, 2011 at 03:18 PM"--

Take your advise and move on. You say she is a kook, other people don't. Your position is also "unverifiable and unfalsifiable" by the nature of the topic. That should have been obvious.

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