They told Glenn that if he voted for McCain we'd have the FBI sifting through our data bases and our trash - and they were right!
F.B.I. Agents Get Leeway to Push Privacy Bounds
By CHARLIE SAVAGE
WASHINGTON — The Federal Bureau of Investigation is giving significant new powers to its roughly 14,000 agents, allowing them more leeway to search databases, go through household trash or use surveillance teams to scrutinize the lives of people who have attracted their attention.
The F.B.I. soon plans to issue a new edition of its manual, called the Domestic Investigations and Operations Guide, according to an official who has worked on the draft document and several others who have been briefed on its contents. The new rules add to several measures taken over the past decade to give agents more latitude as they search for signs of criminal or terrorist activity.
The F.B.I. recently briefed several privacy advocates about the coming changes. Among them, Michael German, a former F.B.I. agent who is now a lawyer for the American Civil Liberties Union, argued that it was unwise to further ease restrictions on agents’ power to use potentially intrusive techniques, especially if they lacked a firm reason to suspect someone of wrongdoing.
The last lib would have leapt from a ledge if this were happening under Evil BushCo.
A bit of detail:
Some of the most notable changes apply to the lowest category of investigations, called an “assessment.” The category, created in December 2008, allows agents to look into people and organizations “proactively” and without firm evidence for suspecting criminal or terrorist activity.
Under current rules, agents must open such an inquiry before they can search for information about a person in a commercial or law enforcement database. Under the new rules, agents will be allowed to search such databases without making a record about their decision.
Mr. German said the change would make it harder to detect and deter inappropriate use of databases for personal purposes. But Ms. Caproni said it was too cumbersome to require agents to open formal inquiries before running quick checks. She also said agents could not put information uncovered from such searches into F.B.I. files unless they later opened an assessment.
I'm composing a series of editorials to run for the Fourth of July on Liberty versus statism:
"A Declaration of Liberty"
Posted by: sbw | June 13, 2011 at 08:51 AM
The last lib would have leapt from a ledge if this were happening under Evil BushCo.
Imagine?
Posted by: Extraneus | June 13, 2011 at 09:06 AM
Speaking of liberty, this piece (courtesy Tim Blair) from the UK Spectator talks about how "What was once the most exciting city on the planet has turned into the world capital of health-obsessed control-freakery."
Posted by: jimmyk | June 13, 2011 at 09:06 AM
Just remember, there's always the Fourth Amendment. A damn good thing, too.
Posted by: Danube of Thought | June 13, 2011 at 09:20 AM
Posted by: Extraneus | June 13, 2011 at 09:21 AM
Posted by: Extraneus | June 13, 2011 at 09:28 AM
Per Mickey Kaus, the mrltdown continues:
"Markos Moulitsas, founder of the Daily Kos, said he would request a leave of absence from his popular group blog to learn what he called 'partisan aggression management.' 'Twice now–with John Edwards and Anthony Weiner–I’ve defended pretty obviously guilty Democrats by approving nasty arguments attacking their critics–arguments that turned out to be wrong. I thought I was fighting back, but I brought nothing but humiliation and disgrace to myself and my party. The truth comes out eventually. I hadn’t taken that into account. I have departed this morning to seek professional treatment to focus on becoming a better blogger and healthier person.'"
Posted by: Danube of Thought | June 13, 2011 at 09:28 AM
Spoof DoT, see last thread.
Posted by: boris | June 13, 2011 at 09:29 AM
Thanks Boris. Ah, hell--it seemed too good to be true, and it was. I am easily duped in the early morning.
On the bright side, it's minus 18 at Raz today.
Posted by: Danube of Thought | June 13, 2011 at 09:36 AM
This isn't terribly surprising, Ext, the more interesting bit is how many of the players against the AGIA line, notably Conoco's Mike
Hawker, (family connection) and BP's Jay Ramras (held hundreds of thousands in stock)
while tried to reverse the vote, and badmouthed it to Joe McGinnis, in the erstwhile Portfolio publication,
Posted by: narciso | June 13, 2011 at 09:39 AM
Apparently, even back then they couldn't 'stop making things up':
http://www.crivellawest.net/palin2011/pdf/10982.pdf
Theriault is one of the few honest figures in the Assembly, so they sabotaged his advisory
position under Parnell.
Posted by: narciso | June 13, 2011 at 09:48 AM
Duped me, too, DoT because in essence the man does need help.
Speaking of which I am thinking of ending it all with faebook, I signed up so people who wanted to reach me and hadn't my address could but i am concerned with hacking and security. This morning there were several messages from someone named Larry lynn that I am hesitant to go to--I think it's another hack job. If someone here knows about it, let me know, At the moment facebook is on my double secret probation list,
As for the FBI searching thru trash--if you threw it out without shredding it, it's public as far as I am concerned..same thing with anything you post publicly online,
Posted by: Clarice | June 13, 2011 at 09:56 AM
Hehe: I am seeing an ad from dumpster.com on this page for industrial class dumpsters. It would not seem sort of thing useful to readers here, but then again, given the economy, perhaps I am wrong. It may be the only biz in town soon.
Oh and to state the obvious, the left would have groused about it if Bush did this because they know what they would do with the power and they also know what the FBI would find. We are seeing incremental Chavezism with Obama, as I have oft forewarned. Do not kid yourself about outcomes: It can happen here. Just wait until we get some 60's style urban riots. Dumpsters will no doubt be a hot item then.
An even better event for the Dumpster market: A major dismantlement of Leviathan. Nothing less will do. This includes the FBI. We now have a government opposed to its people. It becomes more overt by the day. We need to throw law enforcement back to the States. The politicization of Federal agencies, particularly the DoJ, has become dangerous indeed. People forget that this sort of thing was one of the key paths to the Nazis and the Soviets consolidated power. They also used the excuse of "Enemies of the State.
Radical? You bet. I know that many on the Right think that the FBI and other LEO "organizations" are made up of "Oathtakers", but they are wrong about this.
We will be decades recovering from Obama, and it is far from over yet. These people corrupt and corrode everything they touch. No institution has been spared.
If a Republican were in the WH and something so scandalous as the "Gunwalker affair" or the Dept of Education sending in a SWAT team to a private home happened, that Republican would be impeached. Weiner, on the other hand gets off, evidently, with "therapy". The heads of the DoE keeps their job.
We need to face facts: we are ruled and longer govern ourselves, and we are ruled by monsters. We are no longer a free people.
2012 seems the last chance to save us.
Posted by: squaredance | June 13, 2011 at 09:59 AM
Posted by: Extraneus | June 13, 2011 at 10:00 AM
The entire Kaus article that DoT mentioned is brilliant and worth reading--even the links in it.
Bravo, Mickey!
http://dailycaller.com/2011/06/12/rehab-for-all/
Posted by: Clarice | June 13, 2011 at 10:12 AM
This morning there were several messages from someone named Larry lynn that I am hesitant to go to--I think it's another hack job. If someone here knows about it, let me know,
Clarice,
Larry participated in our Soylent care pkg. operation.
...but if someone hacked his account, I don't know.
Posted by: Janet | June 13, 2011 at 10:16 AM
Thanks, Janet. Lynn may be the real name of someone who posts here under another name and if so, I wish he'd say so.
Posted by: Clarice | June 13, 2011 at 10:20 AM
You know I've never really liked Toobin since he began with his part in the witchhunt against Oliver North, and then
sought to profit from it,
Coming amid these rapid developments, the decision of legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin to go on hiatus at CNN was almost overlooked. Toobin appeared on his network early in the Weiner controversy to declare that it was just ”a lighthearted story … a silly little thing that happened.
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/06/12/rehab-for-all/#ixzz1PAL4uXNV
Posted by: narciso | June 13, 2011 at 10:22 AM
They told Glenn that if he voted for McCain we'd have the FBI sifting through our data bases and our trash - and they were right!
That actually appears to be clearly wrong:
I presume that a "commercial" database is a database that one subscribes to. IOW, agents will be allowed to search the information that the FBI has either subscribed to or has gathered in the course of previous, authorized investigations. So, NOT "our" databases. What a novel concept! Oh, they'll also be allowed to look at things that people no longer wish to retain and have made accessible to the general public--I'm not aware of any law that prohibits "garbage picking."
The database checks will be allowed before a formal inquiry is opened, but the information accessed in that manner--not "obtained," since the information in question is information already available to the FBI-- will only be retained in a file if a formal inquiry of some sort is opened. As for the trash covers, the rules are relaxed only in one specific type of situation--in all other circumstances restrictions on agent activity is significantly more restrictive than that on the general public.
FBI General Counsel also provides some useful context:
Again, IOW, the changes fall within the applicable Attorney General Guidelines that have been in place for decades.
Finally, following a few links, we find that the "misuse" of national security letters, was almost exclusively the result of clerical errors. The misuse of the word "misuse" by those who know better undoubtedly could lead many who don't know better to believe that intentional, deliberate abuse of national security letter powers had been occurring on a widespread basis. That was not the case.
Posted by: anduril | June 13, 2011 at 10:27 AM
--Among them, Michael German, a former F.B.I. agent who is now a lawyer for the American Civil Liberties Union, argued that it was unwise to further ease restrictions on agents’ power to use potentially intrusive techniques, especially if they lacked a firm reason to suspect someone of wrongdoing.--
Attorney German quickly added that if the FBI can reliably establish the target is a Republican then the ACLU will issue its standard wink and nod to the FBI to ensure the target's life is turned upside down because, let's face it, all Republicans are basically terrorists and criminals at heart.
Posted by: Ignatz | June 13, 2011 at 10:30 AM
First citation in her wiki, is from Scott Shane, it's just embarassing that they keep
on the national security beat, I know, 'he's
on the other side, like Rosenberg, Mayer, et
al.
Posted by: narciso | June 13, 2011 at 10:39 AM
Whose Wiki?
Posted by: Danube of Thought | June 13, 2011 at 10:44 AM
Hilarious, from Steve Sailer. While JOMers have been endlessly obsessing over the little Weener in our Congress, lefties have had a different obsession going--one that blew up in their faces: Hot lesbian Syrian martyr blogger turns out to be 40-year-old white American guy.
As Sailer says:
Posted by: anduril | June 13, 2011 at 10:45 AM
Valerie Caproni, the FBI general counsel, if Marion 'Spike' Bowman, is still involved, I'd b e more concerned.
Posted by: narciso | June 13, 2011 at 10:47 AM
Posted by: Extraneus | June 13, 2011 at 10:48 AM
We have to get this kind of news from UK publications.
The defense writes itself--it's private, it's just sex, can't we all just move on, he's going into rehab:
Daily Mail
"Mark James Cusack hadn't even been in office for six months when the Massachusetts state representative was placed under investigation for 'inappropriate contact' last month. Mr Cusack, 26, is accused of an indecent act with a female staffer of a fellow lawmaker inside the state House chamber. The alleged act is said to have been discovered by a court officer in the empty chamber late at night in May, after a long session on the budget. Mr Cusack is a Democrat and the State Representative of Massachusetts for the 5th Norfolk District,"
Posted by: Clarice | June 13, 2011 at 10:48 AM
Great, a follower of Nor Luap, what could go
wrong:
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/article.php?view=1061
Posted by: narciso | June 13, 2011 at 10:50 AM
You know Ignatz, even when you joke, you're on point:
http://www.democracynow.org/2005/6/13/fbi_whistleblower_white_supremacists_are_major
Posted by: narciso | June 13, 2011 at 10:55 AM
Posted by: Extraneus | June 13, 2011 at 10:55 AM
Don't know how it copied wrong, but in the actual email, it's "giving Alaskans the ol' ", etc. IOW, she knows where to put apostrophes, amazingly enough.
Posted by: Extraneus | June 13, 2011 at 10:58 AM
Yes, Ext, I posted that one, in a previous thread, and some might say, 'she walks the walk' too much as she will be traveling to Sudan, probably with Samaritan's Purse.
OK, we can firmly put this German fellow in the moonbat category:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Hvd9Y-69fg
Posted by: narciso | June 13, 2011 at 11:04 AM
Thanks, Extraneus, for posting these. I wish the rest of the country would get a chance to see them.
Posted by: Porchlight | June 13, 2011 at 11:06 AM
Posted by: Extraneus | June 13, 2011 at 11:11 AM
I loved this from your link narciso;
As evidence that white supremacists are the primary terror threat "today" Amy "Bonehead" Goodman cites a trial for murders that occurred 41 years ago and statistics for crimes occurring between 129 and 43 years ago.
Brilliant.
Posted by: Ignatz | June 13, 2011 at 11:20 AM
I'm with Clarice concerning trash but this:
doesn't appear to be trash to me. Would email accounts constitute a commercial database? If not, why not? Were ex-Stasi agents hired to develop the "rules"?
Posted by: Rick Ballard | June 13, 2011 at 11:22 AM
Btw, lest anyone think otherwise, she was far from preoccupied with that Bristol/Trig stuff.
On the same day as that note I posted above, 4/22/08, she was working on a health care op-ed, doing a related media interview, offering to meet with G. Gordon Liddy during a trip on energy in Alaska, deciding whether to spend $2M to repair an Anchorage pool, working on a way to suspend state gasoline tax for the summer ("When we bought the Jetta it cost $22 to fuel up. Now it's over $50. Ivy- who in state top brass could look into this?"), poking one of her underlings on whether he got a certain letter finished yet, and receiving dozens of gifts after the birth of her son.
That's just based on the notes she sent out, not the many more that she received.
Posted by: Extraneus | June 13, 2011 at 11:26 AM
Posted by: Extraneus | June 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM
You know the fact, they didn't have a flag on anyone communicating with Awlaki, who by that time, had as much a reputation in 2009, as Bin Laden had in '98, really makes me wonder
what kind of a clue, they can even buy.
Posted by: narciso | June 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM
Interesting, Rick. Remember how crazed the left was over rumors (which I think turned out to be untrue) about the government looking at library activity? Of course they were happy to reveal Bork's video rentals.
Posted by: jimmyk | June 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM
CNN is hosting tonight's Republican date and I have to question the idea of simultaneously broadcasting (via a big screen) Twitter and Facebook comments that the audience and the candidates can see. Additionally, John King will "monitor" them and incorporate some of them into his questions.
My gawd, why do Republicans fall into the trap of MFM debates? Can you imagine how many Cleo's there will be spamming Twitter and Facebook for this wonderful opportunity?
Posted by: centralcal | June 13, 2011 at 11:38 AM
well, my typing sucks this morning. date s/b debate!
Posted by: centralcal | June 13, 2011 at 11:41 AM
Ext,
It is interesting to me to see Sarah in these e-mails referring to Dan Fagan often, especially in regards to Lyda Green. That tells me that my perception was correct about his supposed influence in the State, and I now feel that all the times I clobbered you guys with rants about him and his talk show here at JOM were worthwhile to have commented on.
Population- wise we are such a small state that he really did have an extraordinarily big microphone when compared to you big States and large cities. Makes me proud to have been screamed at by Fagan and tossed off his show once for calling in and criticizing him for reading a MoDo column as legitimate media criticism of Palin:)
Posted by: daddy | June 13, 2011 at 11:44 AM
We know what mean, CC, their 'learning curve' is an Immelman , they have learned nothing
in the last four years
Posted by: narciso | June 13, 2011 at 11:45 AM
CNN is hosting tonight's Republican date and I have to question the idea of simultaneously broadcasting (via a big screen) Twitter and Facebook comments that the audience and the candidates can see
Why do news outlets fall into the trap of thinking what people say on Twitter and Facebook is necessarily interesting or insightful?
Why not just let the audience shout out random thoughts?
Posted by: MayBee | June 13, 2011 at 11:47 AM
--their 'learning curve' is an Immelman--
Heh.
Posted by: Ignatz | June 13, 2011 at 11:49 AM
I mean, who watches a presidential debate to find out what @kittykatlulz thinks of Tim Pawlenty?
Posted by: MayBee | June 13, 2011 at 11:49 AM
Posted by: Extraneus | June 13, 2011 at 11:51 AM
Why do news outlets fall into the trap...
Totally disagree with you MayBee that the media is "falling into" any trap, but rather they are calculatedly hoping and wishing to "set" a trap.
Perhaps, a news show such as Special Report that has a follow-up webcast segment where they take instant comments is a nice way to interact with their audience, but for a political debate this is utter nonsense.
Posted by: centralcal | June 13, 2011 at 11:54 AM
jimmyk,
I use Mark Felt and Patrick Fitzgerald as my markers regarding professionalism and ethics regarding the FBI and DoJ and the idea that some FBI/DoJ schlub can rummage at will without even documenting the fact that he's rummaging is somewhat less than comforting. Considering that 'my people' Holder is currently at the top of the dung heap doesn't help but I wouldn't care if the AG were sporting a halo.
This just screams for an oversight hearing in the House, with Mueller in the hot seat until this garbage is removed.
Posted by: Rick Ballard | June 13, 2011 at 11:56 AM
I got a message from Larry lynn too Clarice. I ignored it. I can never remember my passwords for my facebooks so I tend to ignore everything.
Posted by: Jane (sit on the couch or save your country) | June 13, 2011 at 12:04 PM
What as that FBI agent in the Plame case, that conveniently lost his notes?
Posted by: narciso | June 13, 2011 at 12:05 PM
Would email accounts constitute a commercial database? If not, why not?
Let's see. I suppose if I offered my email account for sale it might be considered a commercial database. I'm trying to imagine the circumstances in which the FBI would pay for access to my email account. It's difficult.
Is there no end to the stupidity that people will publish on the internet?
References:
Appeals court: warrant [as opposed to court order] required before Feds can read e-mail
http://www.fbi.gov/foia/privacy-impact-assessments/routine-databases
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/743853/posts
Posted by: anduril | June 13, 2011 at 12:09 PM
Was it Eckenrode? Or Ecken-something
Posted by: Jane (sit on the couch or save your country) | June 13, 2011 at 12:09 PM
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows that 22% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty percent (40%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -18.
In Washington State Gregoire is not going to run again. They'll just have to find another loony Dem to take her place, I guess.
Posted by: Clarice | June 13, 2011 at 12:09 PM
Scientists have found a simple way to create brain cells out of skin cells according to one report today. There may be hope for the world after all.
Posted by: Clarice | June 13, 2011 at 12:11 PM
Did you see this Mel?
The company that owns Chicago’s two largest futures exchanges is thinking about moving operations out of state to flee oppressive business taxes.
Posted by: Jane (sit on the couch or save your country) | June 13, 2011 at 12:11 PM
Eckenrode was his name-o
Posted by: Clarice | June 13, 2011 at 12:12 PM
Yeah that's the one, Jane,
Posted by: narciso | June 13, 2011 at 12:12 PM
but for a political debate this is utter nonsense.
Absolutely agree.
Posted by: MayBee | June 13, 2011 at 12:12 PM
Almst as good as letting Gwen Ifill do the questioning when she had a book in the oven kissing Obama's rearend.
Or the League of (Democratic) Women Voters pick the format and moderators.
I say again, Let them pick major issues. Give each candidate 10 minutes and 5 for rebuttal and let the moderator be no more than a timekeeper. I will not watch this garbage pretend debate stuff.
Posted by: Clarice | June 13, 2011 at 12:16 PM
Let's not forget that FBI agent Bond was rather instrumental in
skewing interpreting her notes re interviews with Libby to his detriment.Posted by: Rick Ballard | June 13, 2011 at 12:18 PM
Sorry.
Posted by: Rick Ballard | June 13, 2011 at 12:21 PM
And then there's the FBI role in the Stevens prosecution, or is my memory failing me yet again?
Posted by: Clarice | June 13, 2011 at 12:21 PM
. I can never remember my passwords for my facebooks so I tend to ignore everything.
You can just remove those posts from your page by scrolling on the right side of the post & clicking on the x that appears.
I think it is just part of a Facebook "game" where FB prompts random questions about your linked friends. FB then notifies the "friend" of your answers. I don't mess with any FB "games", but I've gotten those notices from other people...it isn't bad or anything.
Posted by: Janet | June 13, 2011 at 12:22 PM
Only 37 striking posts before the page turns.
Posted by: Rick Ballard | June 13, 2011 at 12:23 PM
Will Casey Anthony get the needle?
Posted by: Danube of Thought | June 13, 2011 at 12:23 PM
Just ask Ted Stevens about how trustworthy the FBI and DOJ are.
Oh yeah, you can't cause he died with his name blackened by them.
Posted by: Ignatz | June 13, 2011 at 12:24 PM
--Only 37 striking posts before the page turns.--
Not in IE or Firefox 4. Whatchu usin?
Posted by: Ignatz | June 13, 2011 at 12:25 PM
These people don't want to waste their time going thru your garbage. They want to go thru your property.
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=2584740
"City Government Demands Keys to all Commercial Properties."/b>
Posted by: pagar | June 13, 2011 at 12:25 PM
Dumpster diving for Republican support for jobs.
Gandelman;
WASHINGTON — Welcome to the miserable world of no-way-out politics.
The economy needs another jolt, but Congress is in gridlock. Democrats, or most of them, realize that their political futures and the well-being of millions of households hang on whether unemployment can be brought down. Yet Republicans have the capacity to block even the smallest steps forward.
Here’s what the Democrats’ agony looks like from the inside. Last Thursday, Senate Democrats devoted their weekly policy lunch to a simple question: What proposals to spur job-creation have any chance of passing Congress, given Republican control of the House and the effective veto power the GOP has in a Senate where a simple majority no longer rules?
The agenda was organized by Sen. Charles E. Schumer of New York. He doesn’t need a pollster to tell him that jobs are his party’s make-or-break issue.
“The voters gave us two mandates in 2010, not one,” he said in an interview. “They told us we should reduce the deficit and get rid of wasteful spending. We ignore that at our peril. But they also told us to create jobs, grow the economy and help the middle class stretch their paychecks.” Washington, Schumer says, is ignoring the second instruction.
The senators concluded that the only stimulative measures with any chance of getting Republican votes involve tax cuts. That’s why you’re hearing a lot of talk about extending the payroll tax cut another year, and perhaps extending it to the part of the tax that employers pay.
Posted by: It's about JOBS!!!!!!!!!! | June 13, 2011 at 12:27 PM
fixed?
Posted by: Extraneus | June 13, 2011 at 12:32 PM
I want this on the record, even if it is a bold crossed out record:
I REMEMBERED SOMETHING NARCISO FORGOT.
How cool is that!
(I know caps are a sign of mental illness)
Posted by: Jane (sit on the couch or save your country) | June 13, 2011 at 12:33 PM
Golly, poor Rick - strikethrough demons and now bold demons for his browser!
Posted by: centralcal | June 13, 2011 at 12:35 PM
"Goodman cites a trial for murders that occurred 41 years ago"
Yes, and justice is not bound by any calendar.
Or would you have given OBL a pass since his attack on US was years ago, Cisco?
You wear your aegis of dishonesty with pride.
Posted by: Peddle your little manure cart to next stop | June 13, 2011 at 12:36 PM
LA Times: Sarah Palin's letter from God
(Same thing I posted above, but this time from the MSM.)
Posted by: Extraneus | June 13, 2011 at 12:36 PM
Breaking News tweets that Hillary is cutting short her Africa trip due to volcanic eruption in the area.
Huma must have seen some more photos of her hubby.
Guess she will be home before Wednesday? A. Weiner is supposedly waiting for her return to decide what to do, what do do.
Posted by: centralcal | June 13, 2011 at 12:39 PM
Go to Pagar's 12:25 LUN and try not to trip over your open jaw.
We are so screwed.
Posted by: Old Lurker | June 13, 2011 at 12:40 PM
We are so screwed.
Yep. That's why we have to elect another Harvard-educated socialist to the White House!
(Obama or Romney -- either one gets us to the same place.)
Posted by: Rob Crawford | June 13, 2011 at 12:44 PM
" Sarah Palin's letter from God"
That's so sweet.
Posted by: susieq | June 13, 2011 at 12:52 PM
Why do news outlets fall into the trap of thinking what people say on Twitter and Facebook is necessarily interesting or insightful?
I suspect they're just trying to show how hip they are.
For this year's Women's NCAA, ESPN actually had a babe at the sideline table with a laptop who was monitoring the Twitter feed for fan comments. I forget what they called her, it was something like "social media consultant." They'd cut to her now and then and she'd read off insightful, exciting, and dramatic comments from fans.
Stuff like "Wow, that defense is so good!" or "I'm liking this game!"
What a joke.
Posted by: PD | June 13, 2011 at 12:59 PM
Yes, and justice is not bound by any calendar.
The issue is about presenting current evidence for allegations of current crime.
There's a post back up the thread about stem cells you might be interested in.
Posted by: PD | June 13, 2011 at 01:02 PM
Jane-
Yes.
The sale and lease back of the building is a more pressing concern. It got them in trouble before.
Posted by: Melinda Romanoff | June 13, 2011 at 01:02 PM
I want this on the record, even if it is a bold crossed out record:
I REMEMBERED SOMETHING NARCISO FORGOT.
How cool is that!
(I know caps are a sign of mental illness)
Posted by: Jane (sit on the couch or save your country) | June 13, 2011 at 01:03 PM
Politics and birthday cakes.
Posted by: Extraneus | June 13, 2011 at 01:04 PM
"The issue is about presenting current evidence for allegations of current crime."
Yeah, there is no threat from white supremacy groups,
Posted by: HOLOCAUST DENIER | June 13, 2011 at 01:08 PM
When people kill innocents whether it's Paul Hill, or Rudolph, or favorite Gleenwald client
Matt Hale, I don't hesitate to insist that they hang, but they are not the real problem
at this time.
Posted by: narciso | June 13, 2011 at 01:11 PM
Would someone please put 'cleo out of our misery?
Posted by: Rob Crawford | June 13, 2011 at 01:13 PM
greetings all, just a drive by as I get back into the groove at work. Survived 10 days in China with the progeny. An amazing trip and great opportunity to bond more closely with them.
Offered them the greatest hits on a platter and am hoping one of them takes up the challenge. It is an amazing time and place in history and the depth and breadth of opportunity is almost incomprehensible.
While many Americans get lost in Twitter and other irrelevant media, relevance is being defined elsewhere.
The clown in chief is visiting one of our customers in NC today to push his green jobs agenda. That same company is gearing up production of LED lighting not in this country, but in China and Taiwan already. His attempts at industrial policy are pitiable.
Posted by: matt | June 13, 2011 at 01:17 PM
Posted by: Extraneus | June 13, 2011 at 01:22 PM
--Go to Pagar's 12:25 LUN and try not to trip over your open jaw.
We are so screwed.--
First, I'm doubtful most of these can't be cured by redoing the paperwork either by reconstruction or affidavit.
Second, as the BK dude in the comments points out, for those unable to be remedied through paperwork, without a note the lenders still have an unsecured claim through the mortgage for the same amount as the note. For states with a large property exemption I guess some people will save their house but for everybody else it's frying pan or fire.
Without a big RE exemption they will be going from walking away from a mortgage to being forced into bankruptcy.
Posted by: Ignatz | June 13, 2011 at 01:32 PM
justice is not bound by any calendar.
No, but "today" is, you dumb shit: "...for most of this country’s history, domestic white supremacist organizations like the Klu Klux Klan were the greatest terrorism threat. Some believe they still may be today."
For which proposition the most recent evidence cited was over forty years old.
Posted by: Danube of Thought | June 13, 2011 at 01:36 PM
--"Goodman cites a trial for murders that occurred 41 years ago"
Yes, and justice is not bound by any calendar.
Or would you have given OBL a pass since his attack on US was years ago, Cisco?
You wear your aegis of dishonesty with pride.--
First, dope, that was my quote not narciso's.
Second, Bonehead Goodman's assertion was that many think white supremacists currently constitute a greater threat than Islamic terrorists and the only supporting evidence she provided was for crimes from 129-41 years ago.
Even you must have sufficient synapses left to acknowledge the fundamental confused stupidity and dishonesty of her claim, it's just the honesty and integrity to do so that you apparently lack.
Posted by: Ignatz | June 13, 2011 at 01:41 PM
Posted by: Extraneus | June 13, 2011 at 01:44 PM
"For which proposition the most recent evidence cited was over forty years old."
Did you notice it was mentioned because there is a trial that has been overdue by 4 decades, maroon?
Try getting the the bottle glasses your Dr. recommends,
you corn-fed conservative trial lawyeThen maybe you can see the surge in membership over the past 3 years.
I wonder if that has anything to do with having a black President.
Try that thingy called Google. Then take your correspondence school degree and wipe the greasy scowl off your mug.
Posted by: Effluent seems poetic til you know what it means | June 13, 2011 at 01:45 PM
Daddy - You actually got tossed off the air by this Alaska talk show host?
Details, please.
(In my experience, the best talk show hosts almost never toss anyone off the air. They often look forward to people who disagree because they can use that disagreement to make their own points.)
Posted by: Jim Miller | June 13, 2011 at 01:47 PM
The palpable sweat forming on the dogs of war drips like Chinese water torture. They know the legacy of their wrongheaded Nation Building will hound them to Baskerville Hell for at least 40 years of political exile
on a figurative island, Elba.
Posted by: Al Asad at July 25, 2007 12:20 AMM
Posted by: al asad | June 13, 2011 at 01:48 PM
Did you notice it was mentioned because there is a trial that has been overdue by 4 decades
I believe this dimwitted chap actually believes that this is evidence of a threat posed by white supremacists today.
Posted by: Danube of Thought | June 13, 2011 at 01:50 PM
Posted by: Extraneus | June 13, 2011 at 01:51 PM
I copied & saved that "letter from God" email from Sarah Palin. It is so lovely.
The creepiness & low character of most of the politicians, newspeople, & entertainers today makes me starved for things like that email. Simple, nice, good, honorable...are SO underrated. I can hardly read the news anymore...
Posted by: Janet | June 13, 2011 at 01:56 PM
Posted by: Extraneus | June 13, 2011 at 01:56 PM