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June 29, 2011

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centralcal

Thanks, Clarice. The questions are much more intrusive on this census form than a regular census form. What if I attached a check for the $100 fine to the blank form (except for my name and address, which would be on my check anyway) - would that get me off the hook legally for not answering?

Sara (Pal2Pal)

0key Dokey!

Republican White House hopeful Mitt Romney accused President Barack Obama on Thursday of failing to understand how to fix the U.S. economy and urged him to focus on jobs instead of playing golf.

"Obamanomics is not working," Romney said, standing in a weed-strewn back entrance to the shuttered American Metal Works plant Obama had visited in 2009 as a potential symbol of economic renewal. It closed early this year.

Taking aim at an issue that could be Obama's key vulnerability in the 2012 election, Romney also launched a 40-second Web video blaming the Democratic president's economic policies for 100,000 job losses in Pennsylvania.

...

This was Romney's rejoinder to Obama's accusations on Wednesday that Republicans are taking too much time off without working on a deal to avert a government debt default on Aug. 2.

"The president's time is being focused on playing golf and campaigning, campaigning in Pennsylvania today, and blaming. He should be spending his time and his energy working on getting Americans back to work and fixing this economy," Romney said.

centralcal

O.M.G. DoT - still at work for 10 more minutes and you go post a larger than life size Martini, making my mouth water!

No fair!

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Chubby: You can be born a citizen without being born a natural born citizen.

Extraneus

Repetition, cc. Extreme repetition.

hit and run

Rich:
I haven't seen JM Hanes in a while

I saw her Sunday. In the flesh.

"Hit Won"

There should be a sign.

centralcal

So, Hit are you gonna write a tell all book, "The People of JOM," one of these days?

narciso

This is like Ahab with depreciation:


The current round started in 2008, signed into law under President Bush, was continued in the stimulus bill. A White House official says that “bonus depreciation—and this year 100 percent expensing—allows people to write off their property faster than they would otherwise—and is a broad provision that helps millions of companies from many sectors of the economy. To be eligible, you do have to meet certain criteria. One of those criteria is the date by which your property is placed into service. And, here’s where there’s a special provision for aviation (signed by President Bush)—both commercial airlines and private jets get an additional year (beyond the normal) to place in service. This same provision also applied to other capital goods that take a long time to contract and build. In short, bonus depreciation applies very broadly; and the small special provision in that for aviation applies to both commercial and private jets as well as other capital goods that take a long time to contract and build—not preferencing one over the other (and this special provision was first signed into law by President Bush).”

Chubby

((Chubby: You can be born a citizen without being born a natural born citizen.))

Sara, that's what I thought as well. What do you think DoT meant in his 10:14 upthread post:

((Chubby, if you believe that "citizen at birth" is synonymous with "natural born citizen" (as I do, and as Judge Alsup did in dismissing a suit challenging McCain's eligibility...)

Boatbuilder

Jane--you are right about the three paragraphs. I've read the entire Aubrey-Maturin series straight through, three times, but I find it impossible to foc--maybe I'll head over to Instapundit and see what's happening there.

Ignatz

--Petreaus nomination passed the Senate 94-0.--

So all those Dem Senators who called him a liar under Bush (not to mention Barry and Biden and Muffer who nominated him after calling him a failure and a liar) now unanimously think he's just the man at CIA?

hit and run

Sara:
However, I also don't like trashing other posters either.

...

Perhaps you need a (D) after your name with that attitude.

You didn't "like" doing it -- but you felt you had to.

Chubby

the Tea Party, the Tree Party and the Tee Party

Extraneus

Apparently DOTUS wasn't talking about the corporate jet tax break he signed, but one that Reagan signed.

There are two different corporate jet tax items. In the deficit talks, White House officials say, the President has proposed eliminating the preference for corporate jets allowing them to depreciate in 5 years versus 7 years for commercial aviation. This proposal is longstanding. In its current form, it has been in place since 1987.
Sara (Pal2Pal)

Chubby: I think DOT is wrong. I think he confuses native born citizen with natural born citizen. He needs to watch: Natural Born Citizens for Dummies which I think makes it very easy to understand, even for we non-lawyer-types. He won't though because it is too too boring.

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vnjagvet

CC:

My approach would be to do nothing so as not to draw attention from any helpful government officials. With its usual efficiency, the government may overlook me altogether.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

H&R: My opinion based on his remark. That isn't trashing, it is a suggestion.

centralcal

Sounds like a plan, Jim. Probably got thrown out with all the junk mail, which is just about all that the bankrupt post office delivers anymore. That's my explanation and I am sticking to it.

Jane says obamasucks

Thanks Boatbuilder, I was feeling quite lonely... are you making fun of me?

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vnjagvet

That's the ticket. What with the abundance of junk we get daily, it is certainly plausible.

Frau Steingehirn

Soylent, Biggus Dickus was the inspiration, of course.

DOTUS, however, has to take the prize. Notice that no one has dared to hang a Chimpyhilterburtonbush on him?

Run, Spot, run.  The President is Dick.

He didn't call him a wiener.
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Extraneus

When my census guy started asking the really intrusive questions in this survey, I just said "That's too intrusive a question for a free American to have to answer. What are you going to do to me if I don't answer?" and he backed off, and accepted a bunch of N/A answers.

Probably my most frequent answer was "I'm not comfortable answering that question. I don't think you have a right to that information." He gave me a bunch of pap about how the government needed the data in order to provide benefits to people in my town, and I said "That's not your role."

I'm no hero, but just look at the questions. Seriously, who would voluntarily answer these?

THE American Community Survey

It's really beyond the pale, and sad to contemplate how many people would freely agree to this level of intrusion.

Pops

So the media has been throwing around the Weiner word for the last 6 weeks with reckless abandon..then one guy appropriately uses the DICK word...and all the sudden the weiner worders are taken aback!!

boris

If DoT is off duty for the evening I shall affirm (with maximum confidence) his position is that "citizen at birth" is the same as "natural born citizen". Which also was the JOM consensus when TK took a poll.

narciso

One thing I'm reminded about the kind of bogus deal, that Clinton seems to recommending, is it seems like the one he 'cooked' up with the help of Franklin Raines, that applied Enron accounting measures, that would later be in vogue, at Fannie Mae.

Pops

The Republicans should reconvene the House TONIGHT! They should pass a 3 Billion dollar increase in the debt ceiling authorized over the next ten years, with the stipulation that the President will submit to Congress his 'tax the corporate jets' tax increase.

Just 1 Trillion, 997 Billion to go!! in the next 16 months.

Boatbuilder

Not at all, Jane. I appreciate the company.

I was just thinking that everyone should cut Obama some slack about forgetting his daughter's age (not about anything else, mind you). I forget my kid's ages all the time--seems like they have birthdays way too fast and grow up without telling me about it beforehand, and all of a sudden my little baby girl is heading off for college. Hell, I forget my own age half the time. But then I'm just not that bright either, so maybe the critics have a point.

What were we talking about?

Threadkiller

--“"What burden was on him?"

None at all.”--

So the non binding resolution was unnecessary. Why would the Dems force it upon a person who had no burden of proving the theory one way or another?


Sara, IMO DoT has been faithful to the links I have provided in this debate. I do not know if he has watched the video or not. I would not assume he hasn’t just because he hasn’t commented on it yet. We shall see.

Speaking of links:

THE EXPRESS LANE TO NATURAL BORN CLARITY.

”Now we turn to US v. Wong Kim Ark. In that case, the US Supreme Court held that (some) persons born in the United States of alien parents were “citizens”. In doing so, the Court stated that it was specifically construing only the 14th Amendment. And here lies the rub of clarity:
If Wong Kim Ark had been a natural-born citizen, the Supreme Court would never have reached the 14th Amendment issue (just as it didn’t reach it in Minor.)
That statement is a perfectly true mantra. Read it again… and again, until it sinks in. Then share the mantra. There is no antidote for it. There is never an antidote for truth.”
I will think about this.
hit and run

Sara:
My opinion based on his remark. That isn't trashing, it is a suggestion.


Next time I tell someone to GFY I'm using that exact formulation.

centralcal

Amen, Pops.

The thing I so love about this whole "dick" incident is that the creme-de-la-creme of sycophants who already wrote one glowing book about The One and is supposedly working on his sequel, with unparalleled access, said what he probably really thought!

On the left, no one is allowed to think! snort.

Pops

If the Republicans were smart, they should cancel all these negotiations and tell the President they will deal with the debt limit each month based on the Presidents monthly request to borrow more money and how much.

If the President wants to borrow 100 Billion next month, maybe will authoize 40 Billion.

matt

when Greenspan says the stimulus didn't work, that sort of seals the deal.

The propaganda machine is in full flower on all fronts right now. We are watching the Left use every dirty tactic used by the Soviets in their place setting for next year's election. My thoughts on the propaganda. LUN

centralcal

lol, Hit. One man's trashing is another woman's suggestion. Hasn't it always been that way?

Sara (Pal2Pal)

You can be a "citizen at birth" without being a natural born citizen, else why would all the illegals want to have their babies here so they are considered citizens, even if their parents aren't? If you are born in this country of two citizens, you are natural born. If you are born in this country of parents not yet naturalized, you are a native born citizen or citizen at birth.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

lol, Hit. One man's trashing is another woman's suggestion. Hasn't it always been that way?

Yep! Women Rule!!! ::ducking::

Boatbuilder

CC--Halperin is a big fan of Weiner (or was) so I guess he knows a dick when he sees one.

JackisBack!

Re: Americam Community Survey.

I recevied it, trashed it and got a call from the census bureau where I told them it was none of their business and an invasion of privacy. They tried to convince me otherwise and I said I was prepared to take the Census Bureau SWAT Team out front of my home and do the live trial on Fox but I would only provide my name, age, occupation (patriot) and who else lived here. That was last year and have heard zilch. I encourage the same response to all.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Calling a dick a dick is bad, calling Sarah Palin a c**t is HA HA funny and saying she had blood on her hands over the Giffords' shooting is just news, objecting to being a flake, you are thin-skinned, and I won't even begin to get into some of the things they've said about Justice Thomas.

centralcal

Oh, Jack and Ext - smooches (trademarked by Clarice)!!!!

It IS an utter invasion of privacy. I might (emphasis on "might") be inclined to answer fully and truthfully if there was at least some semblance of anonymity. But otherwise - outta my cold damned hands, you commie bastards!

Danube of Thought

"He needs to watch: Natural Born Citizens for Dummies"

No I don't.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Never expected you would DOT.

Threadkiller

But, will you?

narciso

He could have jerk, which adequately his preening peevishness, but this is indicative
I think, of the notion that the center left
is impatient with Obama, and the nutroots
(gauging the reaction of Sargent among others)
is not to automatically stick up for him.

Uncle BigBad

Weeks ago, there was lots of speculation (on our side) that Obama was heading for a psychotic break.

I believe yesterday's press conference may be a symptom that it has occurred.

pagar

"Just 1 Trillion, 997 Billion to go!!

This will take some billions!

"What Obama fights for--giving 9.55 billion to North Korea to Spend on Nukes."

LUN

All those in favor of this raise your hand.

Threadkiller

I have never been fond of the “For Dummies” title in the series of books. I think it is a little offensive to non-dummies that are looking for some info.

About all I will agree with is the book “How to Keep Your Volkswagen Alive 19 Ed: A Manual of Step-by-Step Procedures for the Complete Idiot”, but that has more to do with my lack of affection for the VW Bug.

I wish the video did not say “For Dummies” because it is written for an intellectual audience.

hit and run

lol, Hit. One man's trashing is another woman's suggestion. Hasn't it always been that way?

Yep! Women Rule!!!

They do. They do.

And smart men know enough to let them think so.

Rick Ballard

I believe that Greenspan is saying that Bernanke's QE actions at the Fed had minimal or no effect. I find his pronouncement to be darkly humorous. How is Bernanke's ZIRP substantively different than Greenspan's fiddling with interest rates? The debt monetization aspect of ZIRP appears to be a natural corollary. Could Bernanke have maintained ZIRP without buying up the additional debt necessitated by the "stimulus" spending binge?

Geithner's dash down up the mooring lines to the safety of the dock suggests that he foresees some difficulty ahead in peddling cheap debt without Mad Ben's printing presses running at Warp XII.

centralcal

Oh, dear God - Thad McCotter is getting into the race for Republican Presidential candidate.

Threadkiller

--"And smart men know enough to let them think so."--

You got me. I am now looking for "Women Rule for Male Dummies."

centralcal

Okay, gotta run and eat my dinner, but some food for thought via Twitter:

Chuck E. Shumer tells Countdown Medicare, Medicaid OFF the table in Debt talks

@JakeTapper talks to Bill Clinton about what he thinks of the GOP presidential candidates

BREAKING: Case against Strauss-Kahn near collapse, law-enforcement officials say. NYT exclusive

Never a dull moment in Liberalville!

narciso

Seems we will have Turbo Tim to 'kick around'
for a while

Clarice

The "victim: in the Strauss-Kahn case turns out to be a liar with strong ties to a narcotic dealer. Looks like the whole case will be dropped and the French who always claimed this was a set up will be talking about this all day tomorrow.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

I really like Thad McCotter, although I'm not sure about being president. He's great as a Red Eye guest.

Danube of Thought

Clarice beat me to it. Looks like the victim might be in some criminal jeopardy her own bad self.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

image

Want jobs and higher salaries, move to right to work state.

Sara (Pal2Pal)


Holder: Justice to Drop Investigations Into CIA Officials Involved in Torture

Clarice

That's gonna be some story, DoT.

cindyk

cc:

I received the American Community Survey a couple of months ago and immediately filed it in the trash. The survey asked detailed questions that, frankly, were none of the government's business. Do not summer at home address so the neighbor who is collecting mail, informed me another survey has come. That too will make its way to the "round" file. If this keeps up, maybe we can all share the same cell!!

Threadkiller

Holy cow! Sharpton is hosting the ED show. It is like a SNL slit.

DrJ

It is like a SNL slit.

Hmmm. Skit?

Melinda Romanoff

Did the American Community Survey with a carpenter's pencil.

One Big A## "X" across the front page and sent it back.

No quibbles.

cindyk

Melinda: LOL! I was floored by the questions on the survey but especially shocked that I was required to "mail" this survey back to the census bureau. An identity thief would have a field day with the information required in the survey. The census worker who knocks on my door will not find someone to answer for at least a couple of months!

Threadkiller

Skit, indeed.

narciso

Alright I'm trying to figure out the motive,
here, so this drug dealer, paid her hundred
of thousands of dollars, . . .profit, it does
seem like a Law and Order episode, and will be one in the future.

DrJ

Well, TK, I was going to cite "Jane, you ignorant slut" but I let it go. :)

Melinda Romanoff

cindyk-

I've suffered 3 identity thefts since '91. I know the rules the play by, at this point.

It took 7 years to clean the first one up, 4 for the second and 18 months for the last.

I'm about due for a reload into the Rockaway Park mixmaster. (And yes, I know where my information is getting resold.)

Aren't we a little over-represented?

What percent of people are supposed to get the Community Survey?
=====================

Clarice

I don't know, narciso. Perhaps she thought she'd get a lot of money out of him.

Think of this--Not only did he lose the IMF slot and go thru this horror show, but he was predicted to beat Sarkozy in the upcoming election. Maybe he still will.i'm sure the French think the maid was working with Sarkozy's forces.

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vnjagvet

That form is more intrusive than the Fafsa application for student aid and an IRS proctoscopic tax collection exam put together.

Just some more skit from the government who is, as ever, here to help.

centralcal

Thanks cindyk and Mel. I will take your experience under advisement, along with the other great advice I have already been given.

See nothing. Know nothing. Say nothing! Butt, I am an avid re-cycler because I live in California and I am almost certain that I am saving the planet like any good liberal eco-activist would want me to do. Blue bin here I come!

Niters all. I will sleep peacefully knowing I have saved my portion of the planet with U.S. Census nonsense.

Melinda Romanoff

Clarice-

Not with the number of moths that fled his closet, he will not be a reliable candidate for the Po.

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vnjagvet

The Strauss Kahn case looks like it may be the Duke case cubed.

Melinda Romanoff

ccal-

I am not inferring that the form was the source of my identity theft, at all.

My soc, b-date, addy and name were sold out of a bank's records department for $3 a name. Inside job.

It's been all I can do to change all my medical records to another number because the staff at hospitals are so "helpful". I would encourage everyone to have that number altered to another number, like an OLD cell number, which only you, and your loved ones, would know.

Just a safety and security thought.

jimmyk

Clarice beat me to it. Looks like the victim might be in some criminal jeopardy her own bad self.

Color me skeptical. No doubt she's uneducated and from a background where law enforcement can't be trusted. Maybe she hasn't led an exemplary life or been completely honest under the pressure of this situation. I haven't heard any details, but my gut says that this is a smear campaign.

Captain Hate

The Strauss Kahn case looks like it may be the Duke case cubed.

Well except it led to a lot of airing of documented dirty laundry, which was not the case with any of the Duke defendents except in the delusional skulls of 88 cretins. And the IMF is far from a collection of souls that you want to feel good about.

Still it's dirty pool for prosecutors to partially try cases in the salad tossing media, particularly sexual ones; it really runs roughshod over the rights of the accused.

Melinda Romanoff

jimmyk-

NYSE has finally turned the corner, it's gone pay for flow.

It's just theft now, not advice.

I'm off to bed. I hope I can sleep.

Clarice

Per the NYT article on the case, the info on the maid comes from the prosecutors, not the defense investigators,jimmyk.

narciso

BHL, will be more insufferable than ever, if this is conceivable,

MayBee

The DSK case sounds like she won't make a good witness in a he said/she said case. The DNA says there was a sexual encounter of some sort.

Clarice

Mel, everyone in France knew of his reputation, I am told, and no one cared.

Melinda Romanoff

And no one talked, either.

That has ended.

I'm going to post a biggie tomorrow. I'll link it when it's up. I can't do it in this country.

G'night all.

jimmyk

The prosecution is obliged to reveal potentially exculpatory material, isn't it? I still think he assaulted her, but may walk because of the victim is not a model citizen. Too bad.

Clarice

Niters.

jimmyk

"because of the victim is not a model citizen."

Danube of Thought

"I haven't heard any details, but my gut says that this is a smear campaign."

On the part of the prosecutors, who now have beaucoup egg on their faces?

MayBee

jimmyk- that's how it sounds to me. She is perhaps involved with drug dealers and lied (perhaps) on her asylum application. There was definitely a sexual encounter in the room. It's just going to be hard to use her word to prosecute.

Clarice

Strauss did not deny the relationship. He said it was consensual.

she also lied on her immigration forms and in her application for asylum.

I really wish I were in Paris tomorrow. This is the sort of thing--with infinite possibilties for conspiracy speculation--that the french adore and are such masterful at.

Frau Steingehirn

So the creepy French predator with a history did *not* go after the maid? Hmmmmmm...will he sue NYC and eventually defeat Sarkozy?

narciso

So, Althouse, has an ahem interesting thread on the subject.

narciso

Ah, Judge Emmett Sullivan, the 'gift that never stops giving'

jimmyk

On the part of the prosecutors, who now have beaucoup egg on their faces?

The prosecutors are trying to make the best of a bad situation. Any dirt on the victim (if I may say) is going to get unearthed by the defense (along with a lot of stuff that isn't true). I guess it's ok to rape someone if they aren't going to make a good witness against you.

Remember, she had no idea he was in the room, according to the reports, since it was after checkout time. So we're to believe that on the spur of the moment she figured out this scheme?

jimmyk

she also lied on her immigration forms and in her application for asylum.

Well then, that settles it. She had it coming. (Sorry, I know that's not what you are saying, but I just don't like the smell of this.)

Clarice

It's definitely not what I'm saying and you know it.

Clarice

People's suppositions about cases--at least initially--are based solely on media accounts of what occurred. Based on what was initially reported it was perfectly reasonable to accept the maid's account of things. (This is unlike the Duke case where the story seemed implausible from the outset and the evidence thin.) We were assured that there was HIS semen on her, etc.; they were alone; he had a sordid reputation whereas we were told she was a poor single mother , a recent immigrant.

Chrystal's story always seemed to me to be inconsistent and incredible.


Clarice

AP:
"If the case collapses, it could once again shake up the race for the French presidency. Strauss-Kahn, a prominent Socialist, had been seen as a leading potential challenger to conservative President Nicolas Sarkozy in next year's elections — until the New York hotel allegations embarrassed Strauss-Kahn's party and left him in the political wilderness.
"Those who know Dominique Strauss-Kahn will not be surprised by this evolution of events," one of his French lawyers, Leon Lef Forster, told the AP in Paris. "What he was accused of has no relation to his personality. It was something that was not credible."
New doubts about Strauss-Kahn's accuser would also revive speculation of a conspiracy against Strauss-Kahn aimed at torpedoing his presidential chances. Within days of his arrest, a poll suggested that a majority of French think Strauss-Kahn — who long had a reputation as a womanizer and was nicknamed "the great seducer" — was the victim of a plot.""

Extraneus

New thread on the DSK topic.

Janet

she also lied on her immigration forms and in her application for asylum.

Does the NYT care about this now? This maid should be famous for being the only person on planet earth that the NYT cares about having their immigration forms correct & in order!...or even HAVING immigration forms filled out!
Behold the chaos in a lawless immoral nation.

Old Salt

Brad DeLong;


Confessions of a Financial Deregulator

Back in the late 1990’s, in America at least, two schools of thought pushed for more financial deregulation – that is, for repealing the legal separation of investment banking from commercial banking, relaxing banks’ capital requirements, and encouraging more aggressive creation and use of derivatives. If deregulation looks like such a bad idea now, why didn’t it then?

The first school of thought, broadly that of the United States’ Republican Party, was that financial regulation was bad because all regulation was bad. The second, broadly that of the Democratic Party, was somewhat more complicated, and was based on four observations:

· In the global economy’s industrial core, at least, it had then been more than 60 years since financial disruption had had more than a minor impact on overall levels of production and employment. While modern central banks had difficulty in dealing with inflationary shocks, it had been generations since they had seen a deflationary shock that they could not handle.

· The profits of the investment-banking oligarchy (the handful of global investment banks, including Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, and JP Morgan Chase, among others) were far in excess of what any competitive market ought to deliver, owing to these banks’ deep pockets and ability to maneuver through thickets of regulations.

· The long-run market-return gradient – by which those with deep pockets and the patience to take on real-estate, equity, derivative, and other risks reaped outsize returns – seemed to indicate that financial markets were awful at mobilizing society’s risk-bearing capacity.

· The poorer two-thirds of America’s population appeared to be shut out of the opportunities to borrow at reasonable interest rates and to invest at high returns that the top third – especially the rich – enjoyed.

These four observations suggested that some institutional experimentation was in order. Depression-era restrictions on risk seemed less urgent, given the US Federal Reserve’s proven ability to build firewalls between financial distress and aggregate demand. New ways to borrow and to spread risk seemed to have little downside. More competition for investment-banking oligarchs from commercial bankers and insurance companies with deep pockets seemed likely to reduce the investment banking industry’s unconscionable profits.

It seemed worth trying. It wasn’t.

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