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July 19, 2011

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narciso

It's interesting caro, because I don't think you need to go back, all the way to Silva's
first, the Kill Artist, to get the whole flavor of Gabriel Allon.


In far of his approach is realized in his very nuanced portrait of not only Allon, but
Adrian Carter, his American counterpart. This is someone who is carried for his previous solo effort, back when Silva was more naive. Carter is presented as someone who helped set up the secret prisons, rendition, et al, not because he wanted to, but because he had to.

Jane says obamasucks

That's it Janet

Ben Franklin Forever

Byers goes back to his father's home and finds Bert there. Bert slaps him and says he should not have gotten involved. The 12D plan is for a small group of government operatives to crash a jetliner into New York City in order to keep tensions high and increase arms sales. Bert is doing what he can and thinks he knows which flight they have targeted. Back at the Gunmen's office, Frohike is working on anagrams when Byers returns. Helms is also there, and Byers tells him he has talked with his father. It was the plan of the government to flush Bert out of hiding using John. Ray hurries off to find Bert. After he leaves, Bert comes to the door of the Gunmen's office. The two Byers head for the airport to try to find the explosives in the aircraft. Both board the plane, but cannot find explosives, using hydrocarbon "sniffer" devices.

They realize that the airplane will be remote controlled, just like Bert's car was. Talking by phone to the Gunmen's office, Byers asks Langly and Frohike to hack into the aircraft controls. They do and discover that the plane is programmed to crash into the World Trade Center. Bert enters the cockpit and tries to warn the aircrew, but they don't believe him. Making a lunge, he deactivates the autopilot and the crew realizes that they are not in control. They have 22 minutes before they hit the building. Langly can't break the encryption on the aircraft control system --- his computer doesn't have the processing power and the computer keeps freezing. Frohike slips next door to the firing range and finds Yves there. He needs the Octium but she is not impressed by the need to save people's lives. Frohike points out that her name is an anagram for "Lee Harvey Oswald" and says he knows who she is. She uses the Octium in her laptop to somehow assist Langly break the encryption and give the pilots control of the aircraft again. The plane barely misses the skyscraper.

http://www.themareks.com/xf/gunmen.html

MayBee

JMH-
My point may have become discombobulated.

I was trying to point out how much of an incentive it would be for the defense to force a mistrial if mistrial automatically triggered double jeopardy.
The threat of the bar wouldn't be enough. Partially because not everything that can create a mistrial actually rises to that level. Partially because it doesn't have to be the defense attorney who causes the mistrial. It can be the defendant, a witness, or a spectator (or the prosecutor or the judge, but they wouldn't have the same incentive).

Ben Franklin Forever

I'm not drinking this concoction, yet. But the odd synchro meter is starting to hummmmm....

MayBee

What are you talking about, Seman?

hit and run

I'm not drinking this concoction, yet.

Me neither.

Not if it's Tuesday.

narciso

Silva's original series, after the WW 2 era
spy thriller, the Unlikely Spy, featured
Michael Osbourne, but was redolent of the
cheap reductionist conspiracy thinking mentioned above. Particularly, the notion of
a consortium of former intelligence bigwigs,
who would ignite wars in Northern Ireland,
or use as agent provocateurs terrorist groups like the Sword of Gaza, in order to further their profits. This was before he came up with the character of Gabriel Allon, an art restorer by training, recruited by a Shamir like spy master, Ari Shamron, into the Wrath of God operation against Black September.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

The defense showed in closing that there was only one search of chloroform. Apparently, one of Anthony's MySpace friends posted something on the subject which drew a lot of comments and the times show she looked up chloroform right before commenting herself. It was pretty persuasive, and I think made a very big impact on the jury, considering it was about the prosecution's only somewhat hard evidence as opposed to innuendo and character assassination.

Ben Franklin Forever

The Lone Gun;

The plot of the first episode, which aired March 4, 2001, involves a US government conspiracy to hijack an airliner, fly it into the World Trade Center and blame it on terrorists, thereby gaining support for a new profit-making war. Parallels to the events of 9/11 in this episode are noteworthy, if not uncanny, the episode being aired six months prior to 9/11.[3]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lone_Gunmen_(TV_Series)

Ben Franklin Forever

Sorry. This thread was about the Anthony case.

Seriously; regarding the uptick in prosecutorial misconduct; would you people see any problem with making this job an appointment, rather than electoral?

Is there some advantage to making a DA run for office?

Janet

I had to listen to the Walsh/Mathews video in 2 sittings...Mathews is SO rude & irritating. How can anyone be a Dem.?

MayBee

Is there some advantage to making a DA run for office?

Not having some dufus appoint a crony. You want to be tried by a prosecutor lead by the DA appointed by Kwame Kilpatrick?

narciso

Sadly, this whole prosecution effort, seems to have been as inept as that of Boulder,
CO, making it equally unlikely that any justice will come in Caylee's case.

Ben Franklin Forever

It just seems redundant. The Mayor is going to ride his case, the city council, etc. If they appoint a crony who is incompetent, they answer to the voter. Now the DA has to face the voter and all the ladder rungs over him. redundant and unnecessary.

PD

We should just vote for the Mayor and have the Mayor appoint the rest of city government.

Ben Franklin Forever

I don't know about appointing everyone (possible, I guess), but we can't have prosecutors making decisions based on their political future.

MayBee

If they appoint a crony who is incompetent, they answer to the voter

Tell that to the people of Bell, CA.

The more appointments one corrupt guy gets to make, the more he seals his own power. The less the voter gets to know about the corruption.

PD

Having the prosecutor be a political appointment seems a certain route to ensuring his decisions are tied to his political future.

MayBee

I don't know about appointing everyone (possible, I guess), but we can't have prosecutors making decisions based on their political future.

Are Federal Prosecutors less prone to misconduct? Roger Clemens might say "no".

JM Hanes

hit:

Thanks for that, hit. The State Bar seems to have considerably more power than I ascribed to them.

I managed to google up this timeline: Nifong asked to be removed from the case when the Bar Association complaint was lodged (and then amended with more serious charges) in January of 2007. The NC Atty. General declared the defendants innocent and then issued the report on his investigation in April. Nifong resigned the day before he was disbarred in June, and was later convicted of criminal contempt in August.


MayBee:

"My point may have become discombobulated."

The lack of clarity was mine. I was really responding to the issue of how big a disincentive disbarment would be, not to your excellent point about a defense attorney's interest in forcing a mistrial if it meant that double jeopardy would automatically kick in.

MayBee

Ted Stevens might say "no".

Ben Franklin Forever

It wasn't a Manifesto, just a talking question.

"Having the prosecutor be a political appointment seems a certain route to ensuring his decisions are tied to his political future."

Yes, but look what playing to the 'muddle' did in the Anthony case.

The average person doesn't understand "beyond reasonable doubt'
and the legal constraints placed on jurors.

narciso

So would Senator Stevens, if he had an opportunity to comment on certain circumstances.

MayBee

Martha Stewart might say "I feel I was used for your political ambitions, Mr Comey"

narciso

We were of like minds, for a moment, Maybee.

MayBee

xoxoxo, narciso. My moment to cherish!

Ben Franklin Forever

Obama should be ashamed about his B'Day celebration......


August 3rd is a High Holy Day.. No birthdays allowed without a birth certificate.

MayBee

Yes, but look what playing to the 'muddle' did in the Anthony case.

Do you think the DA should not have brought murder charges against Casey Anthony?

Ben Franklin Forever

with the sparse, non-circumstantial evidence, no.

Clarice

The question of election vs appointment of D.A.s is inline with the debates about the election/appointment of judges. The selection method is no guarantee of anything.


The French, I recall, have an interesting system. The prosecutor may not proceed until he persuades a special professional magistrate that he has a solid enough case to proceed. I know we use grand juries for that, but really...let's be serious.....

hit and run

They let just about anybody serve on grand juries these days...

Jim Miller

"I want the 20 foot animatronic triceratops."

Doesn't everyone? Unless, of course, you can get a 40 foot animatronic T. rex instead. Or a 75 foot long apatosaurus.

Ben Franklin Forever

even me...................

narciso

Speaking of surefooted DA's, with the skill of Wile E Coyote, hanging over a cliff. Vance fils, has shown a particular level of ineptness in the last two years.

Threadkiller

Clarice, is this in the catalog? I would like to order one for Hit.

Ben Franklin Forever

Actually, I've never served on anything less than a non-grand jury.

Ben Franklin Forever

...not......usurping.........hr's..........humor..........monopoly.

Captain Hate

I had to listen to the Walsh/Mathews video in 2 sittings...Mathews is SO rude & irritating. How can anyone be a Dem.?

I'm not sure why Walsh bothered to go on Blueballs with Tweety but that was pretty painful to endure; mainly because I don't think his balanced budget amendment is going anywhere.

Even though the MFM is claiming this is a great day for the JEF, it seems to me that all the donks are gripping. Debbie ImnotEd-Schultz insulted Allen West in his absence on the floor of the House and ended up getting quite a rise out of him. I'm not sure if it was a politically wise thing for West to respond as he did, but far be it from me to question his instincts.

Also some ABC dipshit (Brian Ross maybe) got roughed up for pestering Michele Bachmann about her migraines when it was obvious she didn't want to answer it when he was in the press area (maybe the fool was giving her one by his insistence) by pursuing her to her vehicle when some of her security people "roughed him up" like the deranged stalker he seemed to be. Maybe she should've told him she wanted to finish her waffle but pretty funny that he has such rabid curiosity that was strangely missing from anything regarding a health issue of the JEF (where are his medical records, anyway) in 2008. These court jesters are only further marginalizing their already laughable reputations.

Clarice

No, tk, but really the remote controlled beer cooler would serve the same purpose I should think.

Here's something else West said today:
Allen West: "Anyone with an Obama 2012 Bumper Sticker is a Threat to the Gene Pool"

Heh.

Jane. forget about it/

PD

Allen West: "Anyone with an Obama 2012 Bumper Sticker is a Threat to the Gene Pool"

Oh, my. Isn't that uncivil or something? We should be nice, like the bumper sticker that says "Lobotomies for Republicans."

Captain Hate

I saw somebody in a car today with an El JEFfe 2012 bumper sticker on it and, based on visual evidence, I can vouch for the validity of West's statement.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Why should prosecutors either be elected or appointed, instead of being promoted up the ladder over the years due to merit and experience?

I hate the idea of elected judges. I would bet that most if not almost all who have to vote on judges don't have a clue who the people on the ballot are and do not care either.

I would suggest a selection process with a vetted pool of candidates and chosen by a judicial commission perhaps made up of retired judges, defense and prosecuting attorneys. And bar the academics who screw up the system.

narciso

The most humorous examples are those who drive an SUV otr a Hummer, with an Obama sticker, that defines 'cognitive dissonance'
for me; they've missed the whole point of the exercise.

hit and run

Clarice:
I want the 20 foot animatronic triceratops.

Hah! One of hit and run jr's favorite memories -- the Heard Natural Science Museum in McKinney,TX:

How about a T-Rex?

(here are no hits featured in that video,however. cute kid antics though)

hit and run

TK:
Clarice, is this in the catalog? I would like to order one for Hit.

I would like you to order it for hit,too!

But . . . it's not like I don't already wake up on Saturday morning and fill my cooler with 12 beers (and ice,don't forget the ice) and sit it next to the beach chair in my driveway...

henry

No vote total sheet anywhere, but early returns have Hansen over Windfarm 67-33 w/14% counted. No surprise.

Clarice

Hit. did I tell you about the Wolverine's backstage tour of the Smithsonian paleobiology lab? Wish you and the hitite could've shared that with us.

It was so fun.


narciso

Simon Jenkins in the Guardian:

Britain has gone mad, or at least the tiny patch of Britain round Westminster. The Pentagon would call it a clusterfuck, an all-embracing, uncontrollable chain reaction that appears unable to cease. The new ecstasy theorists call it “whooshing”, when reason loses out to passion, and thought to imagination. As after the death of Princess Diana, every politician and commentator cries: “The world will never be the same again.” The world usually is.

Today Rupert Murdoch and his son were summoned before parliament, and gave an eerie performance as an ageing father who had vaguely heard his son had done something regrettable in the family woodshed. Meanwhile the British prime minister, David Cameron, was forced to return from a foreign trip, like a tottering dictator called home by the politburo. The country’s top policeman and top counter-terrorism cop were forced into resignation. Two government judicial inquiries have been set up. Two commons committees are in continuous session. The police are everywhere. Journalists and MPs are lying on the floor, kicking their legs in the air with glee.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Breaking: GOP passes Cut, Cap, & Balance Act
234-190

matt

interesting headline on Drudge with the $1 Trillion in new taxes proposed by the Mensheviks.

It would seem there's a gunfight at OK Corrall brewing between the House and senate. At least Carl Levin was honest when he said the Republicans are trying to repeal the last 40 years.

Considering that's what led up to this moment and he is one of the prime authors, he might want to take credit for the mess.

henry

56% counted, Hansen by 68-32.

Press will spin this as WI rejecting Walker.

narciso

This is what you were referring to Matt:


The Gang of Six “Bipartisan Plan to Reduce Our Nation’s Deficits” claims their tax reforms would be scored by the Congressional Budget Office as a $1.5 trillion net cut. But no details are provided on how they arrive at this number other than saying they will abolish the Alternative Minimum tax. So how can this plan claim to be a “balanced approach” (which means higher revenues), yet also claim to be a $1.5 trillion tax cut?

This probably means they are using a CBO baseline that assumes the AMT continues as written today and that the current Bush rates expire. Last August, the CBO said those policies would amount to a $4.8 trillion tax hike. Which means the the Gang of Six plan probably raises taxes by about $3+ trillion over current rates.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/07/gang-six-plan-raises-taxes-3-trillion#ixzz1SbdPLOUB

Danube of Thought

The oaf currently posting as "Ben Franklin Forever" is in fact the oaf Dana Gilbert Ward, a failed teacher at an obscure college in Claremont, CA.

Everyone here knows that. He is the fool who used to call himself Sem*nticleo.

Hi there, Cleo. How ya doin'?

Hi there, Dana. How ya doin'?

narciso

The somewhat amusing thing, about him Danube, is how puerile his efforts are. I could make
a better argument about the subversive nature of some of the scripts on Fox, without enlisting Belgian Castro groupie, Anne Marie
Bardach.

Danube of Thought

He says very stupid and vacuous things on a regular basis.

Dana G. Ward. Check him out.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Good grief DOT, how many more nights are you going to gin this up again?

Dave (in MA)

DoT, how did you go about unmasking The Purple-Pantied Anarchist as Semen Colonic anyway?

Tom Maguire

I should look for the details, but on the radio I heard that for Roger Clemens, the prosecutorial misconduct which led to a mistrial may also give him a double jeopardy pass.

Which makes sense - if the prosecutor cheats egregiously enough they shouldn't simply say, 'well, you caught me' and get a second bite of the apple.

Ahh, here we go - we are grappling with the "Kennedy exception", as established in Oregon v. Kennedy, 456 U.S. 667 (1982).

The gist - if the prosecutor deliberately errs in a way that forces the defense to ask for a mistrial in a case the prosecutor seemed to be losing, the prosecution can't snatch victory from defeat by getting a new trial.

Hard to see that applying to the Clemens scenario, since the error was at the trial's outset. One might make the same point about Casey Anthony, since the prosecutors opening statement relied on the chloroform search.

From the linked article:

In reaching a decision on that issue, Judge Walton [of the Clemens trial] will be guided, in part, by the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision in Oregon v. Kennedy, 456 U.S. 667 (1982). In that case, the Supreme Court, in a majority opinion by then-Associate Justice William H. Rehnquist, held that a mistrial that follows from a defendant’s motion will ordinarily not preclude a second trial on the same charges, with a narrow exception. That exception is in the event that the defendant’s motion for a mistrial was prompted by prosecutorial “conduct . . . intended to provoke the defendant into moving for a mistrial.”10 As the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit has since explained, the so-called “Kennedy exception ... is intended to prevent the prosecution from forcing a mistrial when things are going badly for it, in the hope of improving its position in a new trial.”
Danube of Thought

Forever, Sara. Forever. That asshole cannot escape me.

Dave, there were others here who had more to do with the unmasking than I did. I am about to depart on a trip to the east coast through the weekend--mindful of the horrid weather forecasts--but will give a great deal of detail next week. I dislike this fellow, hold him in great contempt, and take unbridled pleasure in exposing his identity to the world. It is an identity of which he is manifestly ashamed, and with good reason.

But it is an identity that he can no longer hide.

Woot! Woot! Woot!

Sara (Pal2Pal)

TM: It was more than opening statements. Their whole justification for 1st degree murder was that the chloroform searches established premeditation. It was the central premise of their case.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Vendettas are never attractive, DOT.

jimmyk

This probably means they are using a CBO baseline that assumes the AMT continues as written today

Good catch, Narciso. So it's a fake cut, because every year Congress waves its hand and adjust the AMT downward, but the CBO has to pretend that doesn't happen for its scoring. Which means, of course, that the true revenue increases are much larger than advertised. No wonder Barry is happy. Let's hope the House sees through this little 3-card Monty exercise.

Clarice

That exception seems rare and makes logical sense, TM.

PD

AP Exclusive: Mortgage 'robo-signing' goes on

Mortgage industry employees are still signing documents they haven't read and using fake signatures more than eight months after big banks and mortgage companies promised to stop the illegal practices that led to a nationwide halt of home foreclosures.

County officials in at least three states say they have received thousands of mortgage documents with questionable signatures since last fall, suggesting that the practices, known collectively as "robo-signing," remain widespread in the industry.
Charlie (Colorado)

Forever, Sara. Forever. That asshole cannot escape me.

DoT, you're making a convincing case that at least one asshole involved is very close to you indeed.

Danube of Thought

Charlie, can I convince you to shit in your hat?

daddy

Big Oil news up in Alaska today.

Chevron sells Union Oil Cook Inlet assets to Hilcorp

Threadbare story, but essentially a biggie (Chevron) is bailing out of Oil production in Alaska with the exception of its drilling on the North Slope and its share in the Trans Alaska Pipeline.

Talk Radio discussion was if this is a canary in the coal mine for the Big Oil companies going elsewhere.

Just last week the USGS said they had determined that 16 trillion more feet of natural gas existed in Cook Inlet than the 2.5 trillion previously thought, plus millions of barrels of oil, so trying to figure out the reasons for Chevron's sell off of their Cook Inlet operations to a small fry company (aided by big state Tax incentives) is a bit of a head scratcher and possible cause for concern.

Will keep you advised.

Ignatz

--The question of election vs appointment of D.A.s is inline with the debates about the election/appointment of judges. The selection method is no guarantee of anything.--

No, but in local politics especially, it's a darn site easier to get rid of a buffoon or a corrupt DA or judge via election than impeachment or other non elective means.


PD

JiB, a few days back you asked about floaters, and the ensuing discussion mentioned flashes, etc.

This can happen with retinal detachment, in which case one needs to seek treatment immediately, as in run, do not walk.

But it can also be something called PVD - posterior vitreous detachment (link). As we age, the vitreous humor liquefies and can pull away from the retina. A very common symptom is a huge increase in floaters. I got that about 9 months ago, seeming spontaneously with no obvious cause, and lightning flashes in my periphery (one eye only). The flashes went away, the floaters not. It's hugely aggravating because they occur in foveal vision and I have to blink to make them move out of the way.

When this occurred, I called my eye doctor, who immediately thought she knew what it was when I described it. I went in and she confirmed the diagnosis of PVD. I asked what is done about it. "Nothing." I.e., you just live with it (unlike retinal detachment, where you want to have a reattachment procedure).

So, this is "benign" but a real pain.

BTW, my doc told me that retinal detachment has symptoms that are very different, like a dark curtain coming over your vision. PVD doesn't involve that kind of obscurement.

daddy

Henry (or anyone)

Can you explain this latest round of Michigan recall election results in plain language. I don't know the players well enough to know how Hansen's win comes across as a victory for the anti-Walker guys.

Dave (in MA)


Let July 19th from now on be known as Slap An Anarchist Day

narciso

I am nowhere as succinct as Henry, so I give you his 7:06 comment, daddy. Like Sonny Crockett said, 'you can't even know the players without a program' Also Jake Gittes,
would be told be told by his superiors, 'Forget it Jake, it's Wisconsin'

As it stands, Duke and Duke favorite Beeks messed up his paperwork, so Dave Hansen (Fleebagger, Green Bay) is expected to tromp VanderLeest (windfarms & criminal record). There is a big disparity in turnout by polling place in that district -- whatever that means. The winner will have to be replaced in 2012 anyway.

Simac in one of the primaries is a Tea Party organizer.

daddy

Thanks for trying Narciso, but I'm still scratching my noggin' and hoping for the Cliff Notes:)

In sad news, North Dakota's Senate Majority Leader, Republican Bob Stenehjem, just died in a car crash down the road a bit from my house. Apparently he wasn't wearing a seat belt coming back from some Kenai fishing trip. Link.

jimmyk

That story about that Harvard ethics fellow stealing millions of documents from JSTOR is worth a closer look. He was planning to distribute them to online file servers.


Swartz is an online activist who founded the website Demand Progress, which says it "works to win progressive policy changes for ordinary people."

The site describes Swartz as "the author of numerous articles on a variety of topics, especially the corrupting influence of big money on institutions including nonprofits, the media, politics, and public opinion."

By making him a "fellow," Harvard evidently endorses this warped view of ethics. Fortunately the authorities don't share that view:


"Stealing is stealing whether you use a computer command or a crowbar, and whether you take documents, data or dollars," US Attorney Carmen Ortiz said in a release.

He faces up to 35 years. I'm guessing he'll get a slap on the wrist, unfortunately.

narciso

Beeks represents the local GOP hierarchy, that put up as flawed a candidate as Vanderleest, in this race. Add a few irregularities, and you can see what happens.

Mark Folkestad

Daddy, that's sad news about Stenehjem (stone home, in Norwegian). He was a good guy.

Sara, my friend, and ChaCo (not so much), are dismayed with DoT's vendetta against Dana Ward. I'll stand with DoT on this one.

Mark Folkestad

Must be the proximity to Narciso. I added an extra comma there.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Mark: I don't care how mad you or DOT want to stay at him. You can hate him all you want, but why come here and continue to poke, poke, poke? It is childish, IMHO.

Mark Folkestad

Because Dana Ward continues to come here and shit in our backyard.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

I think he has been making an effort to have some real exchanges and he announced a few days ago he was sticking with the present handle and wouldn't keep changing. And, it seems more sh!t is being flung than dropped.

MayBee

TM: It was more than opening statements. Their whole justification for 1st degree murder was that the chloroform searches established premeditation. It was the central premise of their case.

No it wasn't. That's not even close.

The evidence was there to convict. If the jury didn't feel comfortable with it, the evidence for child abuse was definitely there. Even her attorneys "admitted" she didn't call an ambulance for her daughter's drowning.


Mark Folkestad

He was civil briefly, but he has already started reverting. I was willing to cut him slack, but the scorpion will not sting this frog due to a false hope.

Mark Folkestad

MayBee, I agree completely. There was sufficient evidence to convict even without the search or searches for anything.

MayBee

Thanks, Mark.

It's a terrible shame the prosecutor didn't correct this, because once or 84 times makes little difference.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

I don't know what trial you guys were watching. There was no evidence of murder. Death yes, murder no. They tried to make their whole case around phony chloroform searches and duct tape that had no DNA, no epithelial cells and no finger prints and that was not over her mouth but on her hair towards the back and also several feet away.

I cannot explain her behavior for the 31 days. It is very disturbing. But, hey, my Dad dropped dead in front of me when I was 13 and 4 days later, my Mother had whisked us off for a week's vacation in New York City. We went to Broadway musicals, did all the major sightseeing, had a major back to school shopping trip, and over all had a great time. So, who am I to say what is the right thing to do. My Mother wanted to put as much distance between what I had witnessed and going back to school. My Dad's family never forgave her for this breech of what they considered proper mourning, but my Mother felt she was doing the right thing for us. No one, of course, asked me.

Mark Folkestad

Sara, I'm groggy as heck, having tried to save a troubled niece from a world of hurt, largely of her own making, and trying to clear my head to prepare for a call to France to fill in my boss about a critical find. Otherwise I'd be happy to debate you. But I would appreciate a less of a condescending attitude to those who are of a different opinion on the Casey Anthony trial.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Condescending? Huh?

Mark Folkestad

We had to have been watching a different trial, because anyone with any sense could not have found Casey guilty. That is what I take from it. But I suppose that I should be happy that even after a loss in stature following my back surgery, I'm only an inch shorter than six feet. So I may be an incompetent observer or a failed thinker, but at least I don't have a Napoleonic complex.

Mark Folkestad

As another of the JOMO tribe put it a few days ago, obviously little Caylee ran off into the swampy woods with a laundry bag, two garbage bags and a roll of duct tape to commit suicide. Gruesomely hilarious. No one, as the prosecution argued, would fail to call 911 even if there were no reasonable hope of resuscitation. And even if the child was presumed dead, no one would bag the child up like garbage and throw her in the tall wet weeds. Furthermore, there would be no reason to use duct tape, except to suffocate the child. This was not a suicide and it was not an accident. After such a long time of exposure to the elements, DNA and fingerprints would not have been found on the remains of the duct tape. Animals had been feeding on the body, so the remains would have been moved at least slightly. The child's death was clearly murder, although the decomposition means that the method of killing will never be known. But motive and opportunity point only to Casey. Caylee was supposedly in the care of a non-existent nanny when Casey was partying, much before the disappearance. There is a slight chance that Caylee died inadvertently at the hands of an irresponsible and abusive mother, but that is still at least felony murder. There is indeed a "CSI effect", with unrealistic expectations, and we can't yield to public misperceptions based upon fiction. Dramas have always relied on "devices". I've seen many where thieves and drug dealers use lockers at bus depots and train stations for months at a time, even though in reality those lockers are opened and checked past the 24-hour rental period. Plot holes shouldn't result in holes in the system of justice.

Barbara

Well said, Mark.

Casey's deliberate and persistent lying prevented the authorities from finding her daughter's remains and thereby prevented them from discovering the cause of Caylee's death. There is no question in my mind that this was intentional on her part.

Whatever that cause of death may have been, there is no justification for Casey Anthony's behavior. No matter what her state of mind may have been or what alternate universe she may have been inhabiting at the time, a loving, distraught mother does not place her child's remains in a trash bag and toss it into the woods on the side of the road. It is a pity that the jury couldn't grasp this salient fact.

Ralph L

84 Searches doesn't pass the smell test with me. I wonder if I've done 84 searches in the 7 years I've been online.

daddy

Here's an example of what drives me crazy up here.

We have Shell Alaska that after 2.5 Billion dollars, over 4000 studies, and after 5 years of waiting, is still awaiting permission from the Government to exercise Shell's paid for permits to drill exploratory wells in the Chukchi.

Yet on the other hand, The Fire Island Wind Turbine (Green Energy) Project is being whizzed thru the Regulatory maze at warp speed. The project has thousands less studies attached to it, admits full acknowledgement that it will be exceptionally expensive to ratepayers, and comes with the complete understanding that it will require millions in State Funds and will probably never break even, yet Regulators are being pressed to okay the project immediately in order to capture Millions in Federal Funding that disappear if a thumbs up is not given from the Regulators by 15 September:

Regulators weigh Fire Island wind generation project

"Failing to start construction in 2011 will disqualify the Project from receiving approximately $18.7 million in federal grants," says Suzanne Gibson, CIRI's senior director of energy development.

"Gibson acknowledged that utility regulators are being asked to act on the contract more quickly than normal. "Failing to start construction in 2011 will disqualify the Project from receiving approximately $18.7 million in federal grants."

So to recap:

SHELL ALASKA---Shut up and wait indefinitely.
PEBBLE MINE PROJECT---Shut up and wait indefinitely.
ESCOPETA JACK-UP DRILL RIG---Shut up and wait in Canada indefinitely

But GREEN ENERGY WIND FARM---Hurry up, hurry up, hurry up! Screw the studies, screw the effects on the Beluga's from the cables and construction, or on the Eagles from the Turbine Blades,
screw the costs, screw the free market, gaff off all those hoops you've made everyone else jump through all these years, and quickly give us the thumbs up and those Federal bucks cause we're "Green Energy."

The double standard gets tiresome.


Sara (Pal2Pal)

Well Mark, you and Nancy Grace agree, so far be it for me to question any of your facts at the risk of being thought condescending. I do think, however, that you made up the "abusive mother" charge as there was zero testimony that she was abusive in any way. In fact, the testimony was just the opposite.

But, just for sake of argument, of your dramatic list, where is there any evidence that Casey did anything? Evidence, not conjecture, not opinion, not innuendo, evidence. You cannot leap from it was done, to Casey did it. You see Mark, I happen to believe that it is the prosecution's duty to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the person accused actually committed the crime. I don't buy into the justice for Caylee meme, since I believe our Constitution is written to provide justice for the accused to protect them from abuses by those proclaiming to be upholding the law.

I won't address some of your other claims, but don't take that to mean I agree with all of them.

Mark Folkestad

Oh, Daddy, it's amazing how the beluga whales are sacred when it comes to oil drilling, but expendable when it comes to "green" wind generators and the undersea cables needed to connect them to the mainland. I think that it's foolish to use wind turbines for grid power. They're great for off-grid applications like my future home west of Ketchikan. Same for photovoltaic panels. I will have them both, and I'll be able to get them installed before Congress wises up and gets rid of the tax credits.

Ralph, the whole point of the thread header is that the lamestream media are now getting behind the defense claim that there was only one search for chloroform, not eighty-four. I'm not sure that I buy that. But even if one is the correct number, the search was done when Cindy Anthony was proven to be at work, not sitting at her home desktop computer. Cindy perjured herself to protect her murderous psychopath daughter. Only Casey and Caylee were at home at the time of the search.

Sara was brutalized by rogue cops and the system. She has developed a jaundiced view of them. I'll cut her some slack. But I have some very decent, honorable and smart law enforcement people among my circle of family and friends, and I have a different outlook. Also, for a short time, I was a private investigator. I learned a lot in that short time. And even though some may snort at this information, I completed more than half the credits needed for my master's degree in psychology before I chucked my academic career in favor of sheer survival. I have no doubts at all about what happened in the Anthony case. Casey's conduct when the jury was out of the courtroom was very revealing. A cold or angry Casey who was unmoved by the graphic photos of her child's remains cried her eyes out over those same photos when the jury was seated. A master manipulator, a narcissist, a psychopath.

Mark Folkestad

And Sara, I think that you have become one of the many who have replaced "reasonable doubt" with "a shadow of a doubt". Thousands have been convicted with far less evidence than in the Anthony case. Indeed, if one sets the bar too high, no criminal would ever meet justice.

Mark Folkestad

More than Nancy Grace (shudder!) and I believe that Casey murdered her child. A majority of ordinary folks and many legal experts believe in her actual guilt.

henry

Sorry Daddy, Hansen is a Dem Sen from Green Bay, one of three Dems facing recall. After the local assembly guy (R) failed to submit enough signatures to get on the ballot, while VanderLeest filed on time -- Hansen had a free pass to win his recall.

Since this is the first recall (not primary) and Hansen didn'thave real opposition the media will use his victory margin as evidence of momentum for the union/left in remaining recalls thru Obama's reelection.

The union funding is from outside WI and is coordinated by OFA.

henry

Daddy, the big picture is the Hansen's senate district includes three assembly districts -- all held by Rs. The Reps blew their best chance to remove a Dem. If the Dems win 3 of 6 recalls against R senators in August, they take the Senate and shut Walker down.

The only good news is the Senate is passing Walker's reforms as fast as they can before the final recall elections. For example the Senate passed redistricting yesterday.

duas

nice:)

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