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July 27, 2011

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Clarice

Does it take a mastermind to beat a dunce?

sablegsd

The weeper is no mastermind.
He's a great big squishy RINO.

Why is the cut, cap and balance bill dead? Run that puppy through again.

Carol Herman

Boehner is a con artist. Fan of TARP. Fan of NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND. Fan of big tobacco. Fan of big pharma. Fan of golf. Hates hard work. And, comes from an Ohio district where he is as locked in as Pelosi is from hers, in Ssn Francisco.

The whole thing is a scam to raise the debt ceiling. And, the fight? Over who gets to hand out the checks.

Hope the con artist gets caught. It will be funny if obama bet his cards the right way!

It's called the stupid party for a reason. They have no intention of letting go of their pork barrel. And, their bridges to nowhere.

While just for fun WU showed up to vote! Is Nancy a card, or what?

Gmax

Well that is true TM if some members of his caucus dont let the Democrats right back in the game by blocking passing the only bill that is likely to pass both houses ( cuz it was negotiated with Reid before Zero pitched a fit ). They dont call it the stupid party for no reason. Did you see Democrats bailing on Obamacare? Even abortion foes found a way to support Speaker Pelosi. Lets see if we live up to our advanced billing, and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Pops

I don't think the clock is real. Geitner and Obama planned all along to give them a week or two cushion.

They'll simply veto it and say they crunched the numbers and we still have time for a BALANCED COMPRIMISE.

Boehner should tell them if they veto it, he will bring back up cut, cap and balance and pass it again.

Pops

I still don't get why the Republicans refuse to play hardball.

For instance, since the President wants the debt ceiling to get past the election. Boehner should highlight for the press and the public that the TRillion dollars of additional borrowing has no expiration date and Obama is free to borrow from it through January 2013.

I would put it in the title: One trillion dollar additional borrowing good through January 2013.

Let Obama and his minions explain to the public that he plans to burn through that borrowed Trillion of more debt in about 8 months....maybe that will wake a few more people up.

Extraneus

Pops, have you ever considered a career in political strategy?

mockmook

Since it (the bill) will be the only game in town, wouldn't a mastermind write a bill with real, significant cuts in the near term ?

Or, I know this sounds crazy, how about writing a bill that cuts spending compared to the previous year?

Janet

Even abortion foes found a way to support Speaker Pelosi.

To be fair, there really aren't any abortion foes in the Dem. party....there are a few that PRETEND to be but they aren't.

I also am beginning to think that Dems purposefully pick candidates that have some deep dark secret that the party knows..it is used to blackmail them when the time is right.

Rick Ballard

CBO Scores New, Improved Boehner Plan

The finding is that it's 22X better in the first year than the old plan. (That's a little less than half way home by my reckoning but I'll take it.)

JM Hanes

The Speaker Tweets:

"CBO confirms: Spending cuts in GOP plan greater than the debt hike."

Not_Bubarooni

based on what i've been reading in the MSM, it seems the general consensus is that Boehner is 'boxed in', 'caught in his own trap' and 'destined to be a one term Speaker'.

my impression from all that is Prez and Reid have tricked the simpleton into a hopeless position and he is gonna have to compromise with those crafty Dems in order to get anything done.

haven't you got the memo???

Danube of Thought

It's good news, but let's keep our eye on the fact that it's chump change. The heavy lifting can only be done in 2013.

OldTimer

According to Jennifer Rubin, ten (good for GOP)things will happen if the Boehner bill passes.. LUN

Extraneus

Nice to see him hammering the Reid "plan" in his Twitter feed.

Janet

Ya gotta love how every jot & tittle is examined in these Republican plans while the Obamacare Bill was a joyously received unknown.
It's big, it's wonderful, & nobody knows what it says...

Captain Hate

Rick, you seem to be more optimistic than I would expect for less than "half way home". I'm very pessimistic that either party has the will to cut their way out of the deficit hole and the events of the last 24 hours have only confirmed that. Therefore I have to put my faith in the ability to grow our way out of it.

Do you think that is at all realistic?

Rick Ballard

DoT,

It truly is pathetically small but I believe that it's large enough to provide a toehold for President P[Fill In Blank] on Inauguration Day in January, 2013.

The President's decision to lead from his behind isn't going exactly as ACME Political Consulting, Ltd. promised it would.

Cecil Turner

Do you think that is at all realistic?

If you're defining "cuts" as actual cuts, and saying that's impossible, then yes, we can grow our way out of this. If "cuts" means "reductions in rate of growth" and that's impossible, then no, we can't possibly grow our way out of this. (And unfortunately, that latter is where I see us now.)

I'd further caution that it ain't gonna be all roses (except maybe the stems) even if we get a full GOP takeover in 2012 (which is the way to bet). When and if we get to program "cuts" (rate of increase reductions), the Dems are going to demagogue the crap out of it . . . and then have a good chance of making a comeback in 2014.

steve

The key is to put the other side in the position of saying 'no'. Somewhat analogous to the legal concept of proximate cause, the last person in line gets the blame if their action/inaction leads to something bad.

And it doesn't matter their reasons, as the public will tune out as inside-Washington static anything along the lines of 'as bad as I said default would be, I had to veto the bill because those nasty Republicans wouldn't raise taxes, whatever).

Thus, it is critical that Boehner present something to the Democrats and Obama. As long as there is no proposal on the table, Obama and the media can point fingers at the dogmatic Republicans. But by putting a proposal in front of them, he's putting them in the spot where they can't be the ones to say no.

Melinda Romanoff

I'm in with Rick on this.

Danube of Thought

"my impression from all that is Prez and Reid have tricked the simpleton into a hopeless position "

Hide and watch, and report back in a week.

All we know for certain is that in February Obama proposed massive new spending and debt in his doomed budget; in April he demanded a "clean" debt ceiling increase with no spending cuts; and to this day he is still yammering about tax increases.

And today neither chamber of the congress is talking about tax increases, and the two are competing to see who can call for more spending cuts.

Some trap.

Gmax

Rick

Was your first clue the cigar that blew up in his face? Or that Wily Obama is standing off the cliff defying gravity for seconds on end now?

centralcal

The President's decision to lead from his behind isn't going exactly as ACME Political Consulting, Ltd. promised it would.

Damn, Rick, I just love the way you talk write.

maryrose

Krauthammer says the fact that 53 senate dems signed a letter saying they oppose Boehner's bill-even without knowing what's in the revised one shows they are scared and sense they will have to vote on something because the Reid bill is dead in the senate.He also said dems were counting on repubs not passing the Boehner bill.
Jay Cost has a great article today and the numbers look bad for Obie Wan Kenobie in 2012.

Extraneus

Let's not forget that Obama is tanking in the polls, even recently after everyone knows about the debt limit debate. His whining speeches and press conferences haven't moved the needle at all in his favor - which was also the case during the health care debate, but he had the majorities in those days, and was still able to ram it through.

There's no reason to think that 2010 was a fluke. Nothing has changed except for people feeling less afraid after the Republican takeover of the House (hence the apparent easing of the tea party fervor), and Obama hasn't done anything to reverse people's opinion about his spending and redistributionist impulses. On the contrary.

He doesn't have long if he wants to pull a Clintonian triangulation strategy, and I doubt he could pull it off even if he tried. Winning the debt limit debate wouldn't help in that regard either.

Pops

Boehner should put Obamas plan on the floor of the House and vote on both.

Add in Obamas 1.2 TRillion in new taxes and call it THE BANKRUPT SOCIAL SECURITY AND THROW GRANDMA OFF THE CLIFF BILL OF 2011.

See how many Democrats vote to support their Prez.

Charlie (Colorado)

Why is the cut, cap and balance bill dead?

Because it didn't get a majority of the votes.

Now, please take your head out of that bucket.

Gmax

Steve has this nailed and is playing chess. The Democrats are playing checkers.

Rick Ballard

CH,

I don't believe 'grow out of it' is going to work. The solutions are going to involve redefining eligibility requirements for the welfare aspects (SNAP, CHIPS, housing aid, Medicaid) to ensure that the lazy aren't living off of benefits that should be reserved for the helpless (somewhere between 12 and 16% of the population) while also raising social taxes and making the benefits portable and personally identifiable.

If I were 30 and offered a retirement program that consisted of a contribution of 10% in exchange for a US Bond paying 4.5% in my name, I'd take it. I would also take an retirement HSA offered in the same manner. The revisions necessary to bring solvency to the safety net will be along those line, which happen to be roughly the lines proposed by Paul Ryan.

There's a fair chance that it could all happen within five years. After all, watching EUtopia collapse in a pool of its own progressive vomit is going to provide a reasonable impetus.

Extraneus

Thus, it is critical that Boehner present something to the Democrats and Obama. As long as there is no proposal on the table, Obama and the media can point fingers at the dogmatic Republicans. But by putting a proposal in front of them, he's putting them in the spot where they can't be the ones to say no.

I'll also ask about CCB. That was on the table. Passed in the House. The Dems didn't have to vote No because they were able to table it, so isn't it still on the "table"? If four Dems could have been turned, it would come to a vote. Why was there was no downside to the Dems tabling this?

As soon as CCB was tabled, Boehner started backtracking. I wonder if that was the right strategy, considering that he had a couple of weeks to harangue them at that point.

Gmax

why was there no downside to tabling, well besides the strange decision of Dr Coburn to jump back in to the Gang of Pricks ( I mean six ) and crap all over the messaging? And therefore the very Zero sympathetic media had something else to write about and did so. Besides that you mean?

mockmook
    When and if we get to program "cuts" (rate of increase reductions), the Dems are going to demagogue the crap out of it . . . and then have a good chance of making a comeback in 2014.

    Posted by: Cecil Turner | July 27, 2011 at 07:19 PM

That's not possible.

If a GOP has the Prez then GOP Prez has the "bully pulpit", and Boehner, etc., assure us that whoever has the "bully pulpit" controls everything.

Extraneus

Besides that you mean?

I guess I do.

Extraneus

Does MarkO breed horses? I think I need one.

Extraneus

(Btw, don't read "A Man In Full" if you don't want to know too much about what's involved.)

mockmook

    The heavy lifting can only be done in 2013.

    Posted by: Danube of Thought | July 27, 2011 at 07:03 PM

Boehner, etc., shouldn't have picked this fight unless they were trying to win it.

Trying to win it means: Pass CCB (done) and let the Dems stew.

Why say you won't let the country default? Why give up your leverage?

The Dems aren't backing away from "default", why should we?

maryrose

Gmax:
Coburn today on one of the Fox business shows seems to have realized his error in timing and seemed regretful to have stamped on the CCandB message. He came out in support of Boehner's plan.
Warner on the other hand made what I thought was a dumb comment today. He said because California doesn't honor its balanced budget amendment that a federal balanced budget amendment wouldn't work either. How can he predict this unless he plans on disregarding a potential amendment.

rse

Rick & Melinda-

I reread Von Mises 1922 Socialism recently to make sure I was going to explain something correctly.

I was struck by his repeated references to how socialism encourages societies to consume capital and that is one of the reasons it cannot be anything other than destructive in the long run. Isn't that what is being shown now in Europe and to a lesser extent here?

Working on a different aspect I read an LBJ quote referring to Dewey as "Dr Johnny" and I really saw the Great Society legislation in a whole new light.

maryrose

Anduril is back to trashing GOP presidential candidates. His time would be better spent trying to inflate Obummer's flagging poll numbers and disappearing presidency.

steve

Extraneus: no downside because the Dems saying no didn't lead to default... and because the GOP took them off the hook by reopening discussions. I'd argue that if the GOP had pushed it through again, on the eve of default, the Dems wouldn't have been able to say no.

anduril

Heh. I'm back...to cleanse JOM of its demons! Gotta do something while waiting for God to transfer some wealth my way.

steve

Maryrose: Warner's point, which I agree with, is that a balanced budget requirement doesn't mean squat if, as in the case of California, legislators play games and resort to gimmicks (and out and out lies) in declaring the budget to be in balance. Here's where I break from Warner: he uses California to argue against the concept, I use California to argue for fool (i.e., Congress) proof limitations.

narciso

Well in that light, I offer this:


In the latest indication that her sights are still set on a presidential run, former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has accepted an invitation to keynote a Tea Party rally in Waukee, Iowa, on Sept. 3, RealClearPolitics has learned.

The Labor Day weekend visit to the nation's first voting state comes after Palin indicated during an appearance on Fox News earlier this month that she would make her decision about whether to launch a campaign in August or September.

JM Hanes

anduril:

It must be Guilt by Association on Steroids Day. You're going to have to do a lot better than that to make your case.

Ben Franklin

Your Debt Ceiling Playlist
By Matthew Yglesias on Jul 27, 2011 at 2:30 pm

— 1. The Streets, “Everything Is Borrowed”.

— 2. Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, “I Won’t Back Down” (for the Tea Party).

— 3. Journey, “Any Way You Want It” (for President Obama).

— 4. Pink Floyd, “Is There Anybody Out There” (for the House Progressive Caucus).

— 5. The Kinks, “Low Budget”.

— 6. The Clash, “Time Is Tight”.

— 7. The Noisettes, “We
Need Some Money”.

— 9. The Sounds, “Living In America”.

— 10. The National, “Fake Empire”.

to which I add;

"Thick as a Brick" Jethro Tull

Ben Franklin

Rick Perry...Heh

boris

And for dimorats addicted to OPuM: Lynyrd Skynyrd, "Ooh that smell. Can't you smell that smell?"

JM Hanes

You Can Leave Your Hat On too.

anduril

Here we go: I Won’t Back Down.

boris

Ooooh Have Another Hit

anduril

Shoot. Couldn't find a decent video of Clint Black doing One More Payment and It's Mine.

boris

For Reid and Pelosi ...Now Tied to the Whipping Post

jimmyk

Can the Senate Dems find the time and the will to pass some other bill

Someone here reminded us the other day that bills that raise revenue have to originate in the house. So any such "Senate Dem" bill would either have to be structured as an amendment, or not raise any revenue. Re the former, if Article 1 Section 7 is to have any meaning at all, surely it can't be constitutional for Reid to substitute his bill and call it an "Amendment."

anduril

Now I don't mind choppin' wood, and I don't care if the money's no good.
Ya take what ya need and ya leave the rest,
But they should never have taken the very best.

Gmax

Dumb comments seems to multiply whenever Warner is in the room. Might be a coincidence but lets watch it closely. There well may be correlation AND causation.

Mikey

This is what is going to happen next. After the Boehner bill passes the house, the deems will vote down the bill. In turn, the Reid bill will voted down in the senate.

Obama once again seeking relevance will make a plea for compromise and push again for a big deal that will have 4 trillion in cuts over 10 years in exchange for a deal that makes it past the election. In order to put the pressure on the house republicans the cuts will be predominately real.

He wants to change the subject real bad and will give them everything to out it off until after the election. He will then claim to be the grand compromiser and budget hawk. You wait and see. That is where we are heading.

Gmax

Joe Cocker is just one strange duck, eh?

Ignatz

Check out the radicals involved with Rick Perry's Response deal.
James Dobson, yikes.
Southern baptist Richard Land, OMG.
Tony Perkins of the Family Research council for criminy sakes.
Business Insider has repeatedly displayed almost no journalistic ethics or competence, which is no surprise considering it's run by the disgraced and disgraceful Henry Blodgett, who is still banned from the securities industry which at least half of their commenters repeatedly point out to no avail.

Threadkiller

Gimme Some Money

Hell Hole

Gmax

Real cuts from Zero surely you jest. Mr. 97-0 is going to offer up real cuts? Its to laugh. Not a moderate bone in his body.

Not_Bubarooni

Hide and watch, and report back in a week.

Will do!

I really have been enjoying the MSM's breathless 'Boehner's in trouble now' meme though.

If I were Boehner, in between answering annoying questions about my luxuriant tan, I'd find a nice compromise with my own party members between my own plan and CCB. Whatever it takes to make it happen. Pass the darn thing and send to the Senate as is. Tell'em it's the best he could do in order to avoid a shutdown or whatever.

The Senate will have no time to dawdle around on amending it without running into Tuesday and being caught holding the hat. I think after moaning for a bit about how crazy and irresponsible the House is these days they'll blink and send it on up the food chain to El Presidente.

Now he's holding the hat. What's he gonna do, veto it? If he does he'll have to wear it and I just can't see him actually doing it. Even with those big ears that's a mighty big hat to wear on ones head.

Quick question to those who understand such things: Could a veto be overridden in just the House or would the Senate also have to vote to override as well?

Rick Ballard

RSE,

I'm not sure about "consume capital". My understanding of the premise presented by Mises is that the lack of information caused by the lack of a free market causes the mis-allocation of resources. Central planners can never hope to have the amount of detailed information that a market provides. In that sense, the capital mis-allocated and consumed is wasted.

jorod

We are witnessing the death throes of Marxism-Socialism in the United States.

Stephanie

Is the vile jezebel telegraphing the next move?

LUN

narciso

From Gateway Pundit, this is what you mean, Stephanie:

The chair telephoned POLITICO to express “significant disappointment in where … Republicans have allowed this debate to degenerate.”

“Aren’t we at the point where the closer we get to chaos, the more concern that there should be about coming to the table and compromising with Democrats?” Wasserman Schultz asked. “This is not leadership. This is almost like dictatorship. I know they want to force the outcome that … their extremists would like to impose. But they are getting ready to spark panic and chaos, and they seem to be OK with that. And it’s just really disappointing, and potentially devastating.”

Ben Franklin

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082252/

The Decline of Western Civilization, or "Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria! "

rse

Rick-

He uses consume capital in the same sense as the Trust Fund kid who never thought he would have to work and will take down a certain portion of the corpus each year at an unsustainable rate to keep up that "Deserved" lifestyle.

It is so fascinating because he sees the problem with the the theory and accurately points out almost 100 years ago what history will repeatedly confirm.

As he said only ideas can defeat ideas so I need to really understand the essences of both economic systems. By the way, those various reports I have linked to on higher ed and we have panned all ended up together in a footnote last week to support a 4th weak report. We are getting a coordinated deafening roar on "where we are to go and what we are to believe" on the economy and education. It would hurt to watch and listen if it were not so corroborating.

I can get you the page numbers to the Liberty edition of the discussion I am referring to. I think it is the same point Hayek complains of with respect to Keynes' viewpoint that we all die in the end.

JM Hanes

Here's a little Sweet Honey in the Rock for anybody wondering about the status of negotiations.

Stephanie

Apostolic people are voters, too. Why should they be precluded from supporting the candidate of their choice? Most candidates just "take the money and run" (my song choice) and rarely even know the whys and wherefors of many donors.

PD

We are witnessing the death throes of Marxism-Socialism in the United States.

That'd be fine, if it wasn't taking the rest of us with it.

Stephanie

Solution:

Remove the Obama stimulus funds from ever being any part of the baseline from now on and we can save 9-10 trillion over the 10 years.

Done. Next.

Why the hell were stimulus funds which IIRC were sold as a one time fix for the economy, even part of any baseline anyways? The stim funds that were for companies that are no longer in business (solar and such) surely don't need any money now, do they???

narciso

Well rse, both Vons were rebelling against the more dirigiste 'historicist' schools of Schmoller and WAgner, before they challenged
Keynes,

Sara (Pal2Pal)

The last paragraph of a comment from the previous thread:

Frankly, if I was Speaker and I had a plan that had already passed the House, but can't even be heard in the Senate, I'd take the bill back, change one comma or period and send it back, again and again and again, if I had to. This has become nothing but a giant flustercluck of BS!

anduril

Can't believe I didn't think of this one sooner: The Beatles - Money (that's what I want).

anduril

Apostolic people are voters, too. Why should they be precluded from supporting the candidate of their choice?

So who's trying to preclude them from doing anything they want? I wouldn't want to be a target for their "prayer warriors." Yow!

anduril

oh well.

Jim Miller

Ray Charles in I'm Busted.

matt

actually, there is another relevant song for Obama that is more recent. "I need a Dollar" by Aloe Black, who, by the way says he is a committed socialist.LUN

Stephanie

We are witnessing the death throes of Marxism-Socialism in the United States.

The problem with assuming that democrats on this side of the pond will respond to the death throes of socialism in Europe and pull back is conservative's blind spot.

Isn't the brand of socialism on this side of the pond being implemented by the smartest people evar! and thus can't possibly be on the same trajectory as that inferior brand on the other side of the pond?

At least that seems to be what I keep being fed with absolute moral authority daily by folks much better edumacated than myself. I mean they went to Harvard and I stupidly cling to guns.

Am I missing the connection here that will lead to these super smart people learning from their lessors in Europe?

Stephanie

So who's trying to preclude them from doing anything they want? I wouldn't want to be a target for their "prayer warriors." Yow!

Well, they evidently can't campaign for a Palin or a Bachmann or a Perry without you decrying "out damn spot." So I guess you are the answer to your own question.

Rick Ballard

RSE,

I have the Liberty edition and I would appreciate the page numbers. I probably out to reread Socialism at any rate. I find the fact that he and Hayek were ignored rather than rebutted to be just as fascinating as the fact that they were correct. The level of infatuation with infantile romanticism coupled with shallow thinking among the progressive "elite" is astounding.

JM Hanes

Sara:

It's a little hard to square that with the plea for working out "compromises/solutions" which immediately preceded it.

Ignatz

Whenever you're feeling down, just buck up and thank whoever gave us the gift of the astoundingly ludicrous Debbie Wasserman Schultz.
Is it possible Boehner really is an evil genius and engineered her rise to power?

Charlie (Colorado)

surely it can't be constitutional for Reid to substitute his bill and call it an "Amendment."

Even if he does, it has to go back to the House.

Ignatz

--Well, they evidently can't campaign for a Palin or a Bachmann or a Perry without you decrying "out damn spot." So I guess you are the answer to your own question.--

Just to be clear the evidence of this diabolical army at Perry's beck and call at the links provided consisted of 15 slides at BI only 4 of which had any connection to The Response and none directly to Perry.
And The Response's own website lists 14 leaders of the event, precisely one of whom is even mentioned in the BI smear job and who also apparently has no connection to Perry other than being in the leadership of this event. No evidence is provided anywhere that he knows or has even met any of this so called army he commands.
.

PD

From one thread:

"thank you, Lord, for AC"

From another:

"Lord, I thank you for my smokin' hot wife Lisa..."

I guess if you have a smokin' hot wife, you just might need that AC.

Stephanie

Isn't there precedence for the substitution? They did that with the Obamacare bill didn't they?

Were I Boehner, I'd ignore the 'revisions' from the senate and deem it passed. It has the same number and all. Nothing to vote on here, move along...

Goose, Gander.

Jim Ryan

Me? I'm a gang-of-six-plan guy! Let's get that gang-of-six-plan going again! Woo-hoo!

Sara (Pal2Pal)

No it isn't. One is a more sensible way to work out problems by figuring out where you on the same page and then dealing with the differences. The other is dealing with the here and now and what is.

The Senate could have easily taken up the bill and opened it to debate and the amendment process, using the House bill as a starting point, finding the common ground and then working on the more contentious parts through debate and amendments. But, Reid didn't want to do that, so wouldn't even allow the bill to come to the floor. Then they made the whole thing worse by insisting the House compromise Repubs compromise, but compromise on what? They had their vote and passed the bill, it is the Senate dems who aren't willing to compromise or even offer something that could be considered for a possible compromise.

anduril

Well, they evidently can't campaign for a Palin or a Bachmann or a Perry without you decrying "out damn spot."

So you don't wanna hear it from me. If one of them gets the nomination, I guarantee you'll hear lots more about it. Hey, good for them for organizing--I wish my peeps did a better job of it. But their prominence in this political season will do the GOPers no good at the presidential level and probably not at lower levels, either. If they increase turnout of their own kind, they'll turn off an even greater number. Right now I don't see a single GOPer in the running who wouldn't be vulnerable to Obama.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Speaking of the apostolic faith:

Tomb of St. Philip the Apostle Discovered in Turkey

A tomb believed to be that of St. Philip the Apostle was unearthed during excavations in the ancient Turkish city of Hierapolis.

Italian professor Francesco D'Andria said archeologists found the tomb of the biblical figure -- one of the 12 original disciples of Jesus -- while working on the ruins of a newly-unearthed church, Turkish news agency Anadolu reported Wednesday.

Danube of Thought

Greg Gutfeld on Obama: "He's not a socialist. He's just boring."

jimmyk

Even if he does, it has to go back to the House.

There was a claim it would go to conference. That seems to put the Senate version on equal footing, despite the constitutional requirement to originate in the House. In any case, calling a different bill an "amendment" makes a mockery of the constitution, in my humble opinion.

rse

Rick-

The Part V on Destructionism and the Epilogue are all relevant. My notes show the margin comments that Mel says do not count starting on 414.

I think they are ignored because they accurately teach you to track socialist ideas by their defining characteristics, not their current names. Because higher ed in the West was always the back up base camp, they certainly were not going to point out the essential tenets.

I am notorious for reading really nerdy stuff on the beach. I still get teased about my physical reaction of quickly standing up and going to stare at the horizon when I first read how socialists despise academic knowledge every bit as much as private property and have from the beginning centuries ago. It explains so much but what college prof was going to share that essential fact?

Sara (Pal2Pal)

All 53 Senate Democrats Sign Letter To Boehner Saying His Plan Won’t Pass

To this, I say, send it anyway. Let them not pass it.

Threadkiller

Boehner should auction the letter off.

matt

thank you, Sara!

Praise the Lord and Boogedie,Boogedie, Boogedie!

Ignatz

--Boehner should auction the letter off.--

Give it to Rush to auction; he'll make more.

DrJ

John Stott has passed away. He was 90 years old. RIP.

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