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July 20, 2011

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anduril

Wendi (nee Wenge) Deng's Wiki page makes amusing reading.

In 1988 she was sponsored by an American family for a student visa to the United States of America. She studied economics at Cal State Northridge and is a graduate of the Yale School of Management where she currently serves on the board of advisors [2] Her first work experience in the media was with Fox TV. After Fox TV, she was offered an internship at Star TV, Hong Kong, part of News Corporation. Deng met Rupert Murdoch in Hong Kong in 1997 when she was 29 years old and Murdoch was 66.

Heh. I wonder how many students from Cal State Northridge go on to Yale, and then to be board of advisers members at Yale? Slept her way to the top, but that included some slumming while climbing:

After entering the United States, Deng lived with the Cherry family for a while when attending university. Mrs. Cherry suspected her husband was having an affair with Deng (30 years his junior) and demanded she leave the house. Mr. Cherry soon followed and moved in with her.[6] The two married in 1990.[5] Deng and Cherry's marriage lasted 2 years and 7 months before they were legally divorced,[6] but he would later explain they only stayed together for 4 or 5 months,[5] after which he learned of the extramarital relationship Deng had with a David Wolf, a man closer to her age.[5] Nonetheless, she had been able to secure a green card through being legally married to Cherry.[5][6]

In 1997, Deng met Rupert Murdoch at a company party in Hong Kong.[7] Deng and Murdoch married in 1999,[16] less than three weeks after his divorce from ex-wife Anna Maria Torv Murdoch Mann was finalized.[16] They live in Manhattan with their two daughters: Grace Helen Murdoch (born 2001) and Chloe Murdoch (born 2005). Deng is pro-vegan.[17]

Pro-vegan? Didn't women like this used to be called man-eaters?

Army of Davids

ObamaCare's Independent Payment Advisory Board (IPAB).

A Sarah Palin "death panel"

Polls like a turd.

Porchlight

DoT, please see the Gang of Six thread, if you haven't already.

anduril
EnviroReligion is equally unwelcome. And I want the right to continue to buy normal lightbulbs. The twirly things stink for reading, and are hardly an unsafe product.

Posted by: Appalled | July 20, 2011 at 04:42 PM


are hardly a safe product?

Posted by: anduril | July 20, 2011 at 04:46 PM


anduril:

I prefer CO2 in the air to Mercury at the landfill.

Posted by: Appalled | July 20, 2011 at 04:48 PM

I wasn't questioning your preferences, I was trying to be sure of them. My understanding is that you think the "twirly things" are 1) bad for reading and 2) are unsafe, or at least less safe than incandescent bulbs. I agree with all that, but I thought what you wrote contradicted--in a convoluted way--what I took to be your intent.

Melinda Romanoff

Appalled-

Those little twirly things have a tendency to outgas some carcinogens as well.

(Can't find the white paper right now, I have it bookmarked on a different computer.)

Pops

""And that's just the start. Big military is part of Big Government. So why are "conservatives" so gullible and uncritical re the use to which Big Government puts its big military?""

Anduril,
Its not the military that decides to Nation build and allow the UN and the State Department to screw everything up.

The military is a tool, not a policy. If the politicians had told them to wipe out Iraqs army and leave - they would have.

I myself would have used three nukes on Afghanistran and Wazirastan and called it a day.

You can't re-build countries that have never been built.

matt

this little snippet from the Telegraph on the Euro crisis is illuminating>

"One diplomat close to talks suggested that the euro could face “its splat moment”.

“There is a sense of crisis but the panic is leading to paralysis. Eurozone leaders are like a rabbit caught in the headlights and the truck is rocketing towards them,” he said. "

Remain calm. All is well.

Melinda Romanoff

matt-

Now you're catching on to the musical chairs/3 card monte shenanigans over there.

anduril

Pops, I agree with your sentiment. That's why I referred to "the use to which Big Government puts its big military." I have no animus against the military as such.

As for your statement: "You can't re-build countries that have never been built," I'm also in agreement with the basic sentiment. Steve Walt expresses it this way:

"our major recent wars (Iraq and Afghanistan) started well but are destined to end badly, largely because both wars involved prolonged occupations of societies riven by internal divisions and where there is a deeply-rooted antipathy to foreign interference, and because the Bush administration was wildly over-confident about the efficacy of military force."

The military has important uses, but nation building is rarely one of them. A lesson we can't seem to learn. That, as you suggest, is a political problem: we can't shake utopian ideology.

In his recent article, Nationalism Rules: It’s the most powerful political force in the world and ignoring it will come at a price., he writes:

It was nationalism that cemented most of the European powers in the modern era, turning them from dynastic states into nation-states, and it was the spread of nationalist ideology that helped destroy the British, French, Ottoman, Dutch, Portuguese, Austro-Hungarian, and Russian/Soviet empires. Nationalism is the main reason the United Nations had fifty-one members immediately after its founding in 1945 and has nearly 200 members today. It is why the Zionists wanted a state for the Jewish people and why Palestinians want a state of their own today. It is what enabled the Vietnamese to defeat both the French and the American armies during the Cold War. It is also why Kurds and Chechens still aspire to statehood; why Scots have pressed for greater autonomy within the United Kingdom, and it is why we now have a Republic of South Sudan.

Understanding the power of nationalism also tells you a lot about what is happening today in the European Union. During the Cold War, European integration flourished because it took place inside the hot-house bubble provided by American protection. Today, however, the United States is losing interest in European security, the Europeans themselves face few external threats, and the EU project itself has expanded too far and badly overreached by creating an ill-advised monetary union. What we are seeing today, therefore, is a gradual renationalization of European foreign policy, fueled in part by incompatible economic preferences and in part by recurring fears that local (i.e., national) identities are being threatened. When Danes worry about Islam, Catalans demand autonomy, Flemish and Walloons contend in Belgium, Germans refuse to bail out Greeks, and nobody wants to let Turkey into the EU, you are watching nationalism at work.

Extraneus

Wealthy GOP donors "couldn't live with Sarah Palin," voted for Obama instead

And are now feeling somewhat off-kilter. Gee...

Cry me a river. They looked at Obama's Harvard law degree and that sharp pant crease and thought he was one of them, or at least more so than that uncredentialed piece of Wasilla trash, with all her vulgar "you betchas" and excessive children, including that embarrassing baby she doted on. And these snobs, instead of apologizing for contributing to the downfall of America, have the nerve to complain about "class warfare."
Janet

Speaking of excessive children...
the green kooks are giving the Beckhams a hard time for their 4th child. A beautiful little girl.

Captain Hate

Thanks for that link ext:

Several of them said: I’m Republican but I voted for President Obama, because I couldn’t live with Sarah Palin. Many said they were severely disappointed in the president. The biggest complaint was what several called “class warfare.” They said they didn’t understand what they had done to deserve that: If you want to have a conversation about taxation, have a conversation. But a president shouldn’t attack his constituents – he’s not the president of some people, he’s president of all the people. Someone mentioned Huey Long populism.

Ya know, it's almost worth having gone through the shit that I have over the last three years just to view the whining of these snotty cocksuckers. Poor Nelson Rockefeller must be enduring more pain in Hell than usual just knowing what his wretched spawn are experiencing because King Putt was just as fucking dumb and corrupt as anybody with a functioning cortex could tell.

The trouble is, these are the country club trash that still litters the Repuke party and hates Sarah Palin; and the likes of us at JOM for that matter. Fuck them all; they deserve every morsel of pain that they've reaped. They and their ilk are just as much my enemies as the JEF.

Extraneus

I may start paying attention to the Greenians when they start giving Muslims a hard time. Meanwhile, I welcome the Beckham's 4th child.

UK Telegraph: The Muslim population has grown from 1.65 million to 2.87 million since 2001, say researchers. What does this mean for liberal Britain?

Almost doubled in ten years. What does it mean? Take a guess.

anduril

What does this mean for liberal Britain?

Here's what it means: Danish Psychologist: Inbreeding Reduces Muslim Intelligence.......endemic mental retardation, violence, and low social skills

And JOMers want to bring that here.

henry

WI Assembly passed redistricting, to Walker for signature.

Naturally the Dems will go to court on this -- Voting Rights Act etc.

narciso

What's that word, I'm all 'verklempt', they got that same tingle, that Matthews had, there's an ointment for that. Now in retrospect, McCain wouldn't have worked out,
Schmidt and Wallace, would be doing the same
gymnastics to the left, and would be wondering
like Seinfeld 'what do I do wrong'

Appalled

ch:

I voted for Obama because I couldn't live with John McCain.

Captain Hate

That's more understandable, Appalled, but you still screwed up. At least you aren't whining about it though; and never claimed to be something you're not. In retrospect, probably the most valuable thing I learned from 2008 was why conservatives always hated McCain so much. Damn did I learn that.

Ben Franklin

"Naturally the Dems will go to court on this"

May not have to after re-call......

anduril

"I voted for Obama because I couldn't live with John McCain."

Oh, I voted for McCain, but only because I hadn't the courage of my convictions to abstain altogether. This time, anyone who wants my vote will have to show that it means something.

henry

Dana, once Walker signs it the Senate can't change it. WI has laws controlling this kind of thing. Plus they added a kicker when they passed it -- any court challenge goes to a panel selected by the WI Supreme Court with appeal only to the Supreme Court. Sumi won't be on the panel. : )

Ben Franklin

Appalled;

I admit I was a little more naive. I have consoled myself with what I call the 'Jackie Robinson Effect"

As you know, negro baseball was an island to itself for decades.

When he was chosen as the first Black MLB player, it was the (Yay!)
Brooklyn Dodgers who broke this deadlock.

He was chosen, not just for his athletic ability, but his temprament.

He put up with a lot of crap and didn't say a word. That long-suffering resulted in the dam bursting, and paved the way for
an interracial baseball league.

I know the analogy is far from perfect, but I think he had to play to the middle. He's kept his mouth shut, most of the time. But when he does speak up, you hear whispers of 'uppitiness' and 'knowing his place' and 'dumber than a bag of rocks"

It goes with the territory. i feel quite sure Robinson heard far worse from the stands, and his own dugout.

Captain Hate

Let's see, as an exercise in pain let's try to predict what would be the situation in year 2.5 of a McStain presidency.

Economy: We'd surely be in better shape but still no economic dynamo as the ol' Mav tries to get in good graces with "my friends on the other side of the aisle" and the MFM by financing every loopy scheme that came down the pike short of BammyCare. I doubt that the 2010 elections would've gone the way that they did so we'd still have a donk controlled House along with the Senate doing their damnedest to make the JEF a shoe in in 2012. We'd probably have unemployment at 7.5 with the MFM calling it worse than the Depression.

Defense would probably be better financed with higher morale (not a high bar to surmount) except they'd be stretched too thin as the Mav deploys them to every corner of the world; ie Libya cubed.

Cindy McCain would, as always, be the class of the family while Meghan would be the usual embarrassment that shows she's her father's girl.

In other words, we'd probably be almost as screwed with an even bleaker future.

Janet

...they deserve every morsel of pain that they've reaped. They and their ilk are just as much my enemies as the JEF.

I'm sorta on that page too, Captain. I have zero respect for those that voted for Obama.

Ben Franklin

henry;

Not as informed on this subject, but " WI has laws controlling this kind of thing." couldn't the Senate change the Law?

henry

Dana, not without help from the Assembly and Govenor.

Captain Hate

I have zero respect for those that voted for Obama.

Welp, I'd have to disown some of my own flesh and blood if that were the case, Janet; and more than a few of my friends. No, I can understand them and Appalled. But the whining of the country clubbers really brings out the feral.

Extraneus

Sorry, but which action has he taken that dispels the notion that he's 'dumber than a bag of rocks,' or at least pretty damned dumb?

Who can name the smartest thing Obama has done, assuming the objective wasn't to take down the USA? (If it was, I'll agree he's apparently pretty smart.)

Foreign or domestic policy answers are allowed.

Ben Franklin

"not without help from the Assembly and Govenor."

Well, that's where I was going. Assembly and Governor safe for now?

henry

Dana, Walker is safe from recall attempts until February. The unions intend an attempt w/Feingold expected to run. The Assembly is redone every two years, so recalls are pointless there. The new districts will be in effect for the 2012 elections -- the Dems believe the new maps guarantee R control of both the Assembly and Senate for the forseeable future. Thus they will go to court, and likely to Federal courts because they will lose in WI courts.

Ben Franklin

You are the go-to guy on WI politics. Thanks.

narciso

Crikey, Judd Gregg has pulled a full Mortimer, saying cutting off the Social Security checks, is necessary to get the Republicans to gave, Now he's a Goldman
gnome, so that explains part of it

narciso

'Surprise,surprise', not really:

A Politico reporter who often penned stories about Sarah Palin and other Republicans has quit journalism to work with the Democratic Party in Arizona, sources tell The Daily Caller.

That reporter, Andy Barr, has covered national politics for the publication since 2008. Barr leaving to help elect Democrats will likely fan the flames of critics who say Politico has a liberal bias.

henry

You're welcome Dana. Just remember that I make as many mistakes as anyone. This is an excellent source for tracking what WI govt is up to. Scroll down to get both the Senate and Assembly action.

narciso

The study that the gayroots, for lack of a better word, is touting, not so determinative:

... from the period 2001-2003 and the first few months of 2004, every single "nuclear family" studied consisted of opposite sex couples. For the remainder of the survey, married same-sex couples in Massachusetts with children qualified as "nuclear families." Massachusetts has 6.5 million people; the other 49 states and the District of Columbia contribute an additional 301 million people. And, I'm led to believe, many people in Massachusetts still chose to marry people of the opposite sex.

In short, the number of same-sex couples qualifying as "nuclear families" in the study in question amount to a rounding error. And Al Franken, who's a pretty smart fellow, damned well knows that.

What's particularly infuriating is that he's using the power of his office and of the subpoena to humiliate a citizen for his own amusement and, presumably, those of his supporters.

anduril

You're saying Al Franken is an asshole? Thanks for the flash.

Ben Franklin

Doma only does one thing. harm children. I have watched the good intentions of Child Protective Services take a child from one parent and give the child to the other, even though 'other' has demonstrated NO INTEREST in the child. That's because, in the parlance, the birth parents are the best placement for a child. That is nonsense.

Captain Hate

Humor is subjective and Franken's never appealed to me. I don't find it surprising that he'd use the perqs of his office to humiliate a private citizen.

narc, Gregg has always had an unusual attitude regarding social security.

Captain Hate

BF, I'm trying to connect the dots between DOMA and the myriad failings of Child Protective Services and I think I need an 19 dimension etch-a-sketch to square that oval.

pagar

Off Topic, but the Federal Reserve has decided to claw back about .000001 percent of what the big banks ripped off to start the housing crisis, IMO.

"Federal Reserve Orders $85M Civil Penalty Against Wells Fargo for Steering Potential Prime Borrowers Into More Costly Subprime Loans and Falsifying Income.""

http://4closurefraud.org/2011/07/20/federal-reserve-orders-85m-civil-penalty-against-wells-fargo-for-steering-potential-prime-borrowers-into-more-costly-subprime-loans-and-falsifying-income/

My guess is there is a whole lot more clawbacks coming.

Ignatz

--And JOMers want to bring that here.--

Some have said it would likely be ruled unconstitutional if Muslims were refused immigrant status based on their religion.
I'm unaware of any "JOMer" who "wants" to bring foreign Muslims here.

Ignatz

--But when he does speak up, you hear whispers of 'uppitiness' and 'knowing his place' and 'dumber than a bag of rocks"--

The last one, yeah, with ample inadvertent admissions against interest by the subject.
The first two; where have you heard them? Not here.
And for every instance of "whispers" of race baiting by the fringe right I can quote you ten shout outs by the mainstream left denouncing Clarence Thomas or any other black conservative as an Uncle Tom or an Oreo.

sbw

I get migraines from time to time and one pill at the warning signs means they don’t become full-fledged headaches. People pushing migraines as a problem are practicing scare tactics.

Ben Franklin

Cap'n.....

All kids need is love. They have the brains to figure out everything else. Only adults are confused.

bunkerbuster

Wasn't it Rove and Pawlenty, not the "liberal media" calling attention to Bachmann's migraines? It is indeed nonstop comedy watching the GOP behave like the paranoid, juvenile minority party it has become. You bet I'm hoping Palin throws back in. How fun to watch her debate Gingrich and, indeed, Bachmann. That's a case where the real thing would be much funnier than the inevitable SNL parody...

Ben Franklin

Ignatz;

Between the Captain's 19 dimensions and your singular dimension, i am at a loss for words, which for me, is one dimension too many.

Threadkiller

Clinton's team pointed to Obama's citizenship problem first. Your problem, bunker, is you won't believe Hillary is a dipshit. I have no problem accepting that Rove is dipshit.

Captain Hate

No this isn't exactly the Karl Rove appreciation society here; although I obviously don't speak for all JOMers.

narciso

Yes, but it came from the likes of 9/11 Denialist Phil Berg, just like the Mena nuttiness that came from Cockburn and co, and made it into the right ranks, 'Whiskey, Tango, Fox Trot, in the mid 90s.

Threadkiller

Lifelong democrat, Phil berg.

Ben Franklin

bb;

Where do you normally comment?

Nothing nefarious implied. Just curious.

Threadkiller

I remember the Clinton camp dumping on Barry before Berg.

Ben Franklin

"Lifelong Democrat" not equivalent to 'unindicted conspirator"

Activism

Berg has involved himself with several controversial political cases. In 2001 he demanded the disbarment of U.S. Supreme Court Justices Sandra Day O'Connor, Antonin Scalia, and Clarence Thomas due to their participation in the case Bush v. Gore.[1] In 2004, Berg filed a Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO) lawsuit on behalf of a World Trade Center maintenance worker against President George W. Bush and others alleging that the Bush and certain government officials conspired to bring about the September 11, 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center.[2] The federal district court dismissed the suit. He challenged President George W. Bush on his right to conduct a war against terror and another against Saddam Hussein without a congressional authorization.[3]
[edit]Malpractice and ethics violations

Berg was sued for legal malpractice by former clients on whose behalf Berg had neglected to file a response to a complaint in an ERISA lawsuit, resulting in a default judgment being entered against the former clients. Berg responded by bringing into the malpractice suit the plaintiffs in the ERISA action on a claim of fraud upon the court. The ERISA plaintiffs moved for summary judgment—which was granted after Berg failed to respond to the motion—and then moved for sanctions against Berg. Berg again failed to file a response.
On June 2, 2005, U.S. District Judge J. Curtis Joyner granted the motion for sanctions, finding that the fraud claim was "was inadequately pled, not grounded in fact, time-barred, and utterly irrelevant to the pending malpractice action against him." Observing that an attorney's signature on a complaint constitutes, among other things, a certification that the signer has conducted a reasonable inquiry into the grounds for the claim asserted, the court further found that "even the most limited investigation would have revealed that [Berg] had no standing to raise such a claim." The court also found that Berg's claim was motivated by a "desire to harass" and "delay litigation." The court fined Berg $10,000 and ordered him to attend six hours of ethics training.[4][5]

PaulL

ALL bgates comments are great.

Threadkiller

What do you mean, Dana?

Ben Franklin

You frame 'lifelong democrat' as a pejorative, no? To me, it's not.

narciso

He's a lefty moonbat, that gives ambulance chasers a bad name,

Captain Hate

All kids need is love. They have the brains to figure out everything else. Only adults are confused.

BF, as somebody who is extremely skeptical about your "conversion" I'm still going to respond to that in a non-prickish way. That's too facile an answer. Every child has different needs and has to be dealt with as an individual, albeit with a lot of things in common. They are generally very malleable, as you point out, but not all of them have the wherewithal to figure everything out. Some can and some can't. Some are very self motivated and some are extremely needy.

Child Services probably has an impossible job, in part because of what I wrote above. Even under the best conditions they're playing a huge guessing game regarding where is the best place for a given child for which there isn't a 100% right answer. Being part of the local county bureaucracy isn't exactly a setting that encourages one to be the best at any particular undertaking.

Given that, I fail to see where DOMA makes their choices any worse. They've always been bound by arcane considerations that may or may not prevent them from making what their best guess is as far as the proper environment for a child whom they place. If they screw up and produce a real horror story, they'll get featured in the local news and be an object of derision for a period of time, deservedly or otherwise. And their co-workers can breath a sigh of relief that it wasn't them and go back to doing their jobs as best they can.

Ben Franklin

cap'n;

My comment was not meant to denigrate CPS. The illustrative example was given to show that BIRTH PARENTS of a heterosexual bent are not superior or homosexual. Isn't that the crux of the DOMA advocates? They feel the best parenting is by traditional couples.

It is an argument that is without foundation, outside the mindset of
traditional marriage advocates. CPS has the philosophy that BIRTH PARENTS are a best case for children, and I know of many horror stories wherein that is not the case.

MayBee

I know the analogy is far from perfect, but I think he had to play to the middle. He's kept his mouth shut, most of the time. But when he does speak up, you hear whispers of 'uppitiness' and 'knowing his place' and 'dumber than a bag of rocks"

I don't.
Are you sure those aren't your own thoughts?

(ps. one of those things is not like the others)

narciso

We have our version of CPS down here, called DCF, and it's a horror show out of Hierononous
Bosch, Capt,Nuria, the latest was that case, of the dead little girl, whose caseworker had failed repeatedly several times, in previous placementsand then there's the case of Rilya, missing presumed dead,

Threadkiller

It was part of a response to bunker's Rove assertion.

Ben Franklin

Recent activity in Gill The United States Department of Justice recently moved to dismiss the Gill case, but not on any of the grounds origi- nally asserted in the House Report on DOMA. Significantly, the United States has expressly disavowed the purported interests in “responsible procreation and child-rearing” as set forth in the House report. 1996 U.S.C.C.A.N. at 2916–17. As the United States observed in its memorandum:
Since the enactment of DOMA, many leading medical, psychological, and social welfare organizations have issued policies opposing restrictions on les- bian and gay parenting upon concluding,
state’s determination that a couple is married, it is obvious that it is the United States that has changed the status quo by denying recognition of a class of valid marriages. Certainly, this defense still fails to explain why only married same-sex couples have been denied the marital protections ordinarily available to married couples. Commonwealth of Massachusetts v. United States Dep’t of Health and Human Serv., et al.
The Commonwealth of Massachusetts also filed its own case challenging DOMA on two different theories. Commonwealth of Massachusetts v. United States Dep’t of Health and Human Serv., et al., No. 1:09-cv-11156, Complaint (D. Mass July 8, 2009), available at http://www. mass.gov/Cago/docs/press/2009_07_08_doma_complaint. pdf. First, relying on the Tenth Amendment and federalism principles, it seeks to invalidate section 3 as an unprece-
based on numerous studies, that children raised by gay and lesbian parents are as like- ly to be well-adjusted as children raised by heterosexual parents.... Furthermore, in Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S. 558, 605 (2003), Justice Scalia acknowledged in his dissent that encouraging procreation would not be a rational basis for limiting marriage to opposite-sex couples under the reasoning of the Lawrence majority opinion––which, of course, is the prevailing law––because “the sterile and the elderly are allowed to marry.” Thus, the government does not believe that DOMA can be justified by interests in “responsible procreation” or “child-rearing.”
Gill, No. 1:09-cv-10309, U.S. Memo.


http://www.glad.org/uploads/docs/cases/gill-v-office-of-personnel-management/2011

Ignatz

If you're going to C&P at least try not to slice and dice.

Boatbuilder

"He kept his mouth shut, most of the time."

Obama? If "most of the time" means the hours between 2 a.m. and 8 a.m., I guess. Sheesh.

Captain Hate

The illustrative example was given to show that BIRTH PARENTS of a heterosexual bent are not superior or homosexual. Isn't that the crux of the DOMA advocates? They feel the best parenting is by traditional couples.

Oh please; this is disingenuous at best. Keeping children with birth parents didn't begin with DOMA. Plus there have been racial concerns that predated DOMA by a large margin that have complicated placement of children. You're attempting to place an inordinate amount of blame on one factor of an agency which has been a political ping-pong ball for decades. There are at least anecdotal stories of homosexual foster parents who've engaged in horrific abuse; including one associated with the nutball Duke faculty that railroaded the lacrosse team. I'm not trying to malign homosexuals who would make, or are, excellent parents; but striving to keep children with birth parents isn't exactly a new concept.

Ben Franklin

well cap'n you said yours....I said mine. 'Nuff said.

narciso

Well the example is in that survey, Captain,that James Joyner, of all folks, actually picked up on, this is just another form of astroturf 'consensus' science, like AGW. There's a whole layer of misrepresentation, peddled by the likes of Franken, who I'm given to understand, wrote
for SNL, when it was actually funny, back in the Pleistocene era.

Captain Hate

Fair enough, BF.

Consensus in social science, narc? The deuce you say!

Captain Hate

narc, in case this hasn't been mentioned here, this is the facepalm with an octupus item for the day: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/jul/20/un-climate-change-peacekeeping

narciso

yes, I saw that, going over the list of contributors, to any of the three campaigns,
on News Meat, one sees how Jon Cryer and Danny
Ackroyd supported McCain, how Peter Chernin went 'Full Mortimer' on Obama, and Angelides, in addition to that 'inkind contribution' mentioned earlier, also chipped in coin to Obama.

matt

mel;

the only issue now is who gets stuck with the bill. Tomorrow is D Day and there ain't no clean outcome. Do the Germans and French eat it or do the Italians, Spaniards, Greeks, Portuguese and Irish own it? Anyway you look at it, it's a tar baby.

glasater

From DoT's suggestion, I went to the Henninger article--read it and started in on the comments. Found one comment pretty interesting regarding various presidents spending:

"Comparing spending as a percent of GDP for the last 5 presidents, Obama is the highest at 24.4 percent, Reagan 22.1, H.W. Bush 21.6, Clinton 19.8 and the lowest spender of all George W. Bush at 19.6. Go to Medved's site for the chart."
Link

Source: USA TODAY research based on OMB data

GWB was a lower spender than Clinton!

Jack is Back!

glasater,

Has to do with the "economy". GWB had an economy that even with 911 and the last days of TARP was better than it is now. Reagan inherited a very weak economy, more miserable for working people than this one. Its a measure of Government spending v. GDP. GDP up the product result is high.

BR

For migraine, a natural cure:
Earl Grey tea, with a little bit of milk and sugar.

I don't know if it's the bergamot in the tea
or the combination of the three,
but it worked for me:)

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