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July 11, 2011

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daddy

Way way behind, but listening to the O'Reilly show and he has on Nancy Grace. First time I can recall ever having heard her speak.

How anyone could voluntarily choose to listen to that shrill, bloviating harpy is beyond me. Two minutes of her was like fingernails on a chalkboard. Quick DoT, whip up the martini's---my ears and head hurt:(

narciso

I think only tequila would do the trick, daddy, there is something manic about her,
then again she's chasing a test pattern on HLN,

Strawman Cometh

SNL did a good number on her work on the Nifong affair.
When I'm clicking around, it's fun to pause on Nancy NoGrace and clock my Mrs. reaction time, regardless of her relative location to the offending TV. But I'm easily amused.

Strawman Cometh

"paranoid far beyond even the realities of Soviet infiltration revealed by e.g. the Venona materials."
If the Venona cables were released in the fifties, and he'd cut back on the booze, we would be considering the legacy of President McCarthy.

Bob Beckel

He's the greatest economic president since FDR and he should raise the debt ceiling by himself.

Neo
Beijing. China’s local government debt may be 3.5 trillion yuan ($540 billion) larger than auditors estimated, potentially putting banks on the hook for deeper losses that could threaten their credit ratings, Moody’s said on Tuesday.

Moody’s reviewed a report released by China’s state auditor last week, which found that local governments had chalked up 10.7 trillion yuan of debt.

The ratings agency said it identified more loans funded by banks after accounting for discrepancies in figures given by various Chinese authorities.

Investors are worried the pile of loans — about half of which were racked up during a 2008 stimulus spending binge — might destabilize the Chinese economy. If banks have to absorb heavy losses, it might restrict lending.

In China, Keynesianism is alive and ... not so well

hit and run

Want vs Need:
But HR is the true diplomat and I want to give my homage to that gentleman.

It gives me great joy for us to have reached this point.

You jackass.*

It may not all be water under the bridge,and there may be all sorts of doubts and lingering resentments -- but come let us put those aside for the wonder that is a NewD irection!

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*just trying to keep my JOM street cred. but don't tell the others.

SWarren

My goodness. I don't know what happened overnight, but this has been a most enjoyable thread. And who knew our dear H&R is a miracle worker! Bless you Hit.

And you too, Dana.

Janet

cute video - Information Overload Syndrome.

It touches on daddy's "penguins on an iceberg" theory.

Janet

Here is the video of Obama saying - ""I do not want, and I will not accept a deal in which I am asked to do nothing. In fact, I am able to keep hundreds of thousands of dollars in additional income that I don't need, while, uh, a parent out there who is struggling to figure out how to send their kid to college suddenly finds, uh, that they've got a couple thousand dollars less in grants or student loans. That's what the revenue debate is about." -Barack Obama, July 11, 2011"

I agree with Pops. Then give YOUR "extra" money to the government, DOTUS. Nobody is stopping these leftists.
We need a reporter to ask Barry how much of his own "extra" money he has sent to the government.
Leftist flotsam "charities" are all hitched to government...our tax dollars keep them afloat. Like the union dues being funneled through government.....we need to cut them loose. Let the leftists support their own flotsam.
"Yo comrade, send your check directly to Planned Parenthood, the Union, the Environmental Defense Fund, NPR,..."
I'm sick of paying for their organizations.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

BREAKING! Afghanistan: President Karzai's brother assassinated.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

KANDAHAR, Afghanistan (Reuters) - Ahmad Wali Karzai, a brother of Afghan President Hamid Karzai and one of the most powerful men in southern Afghanistan, was killed on Tuesday, apparently by one of his bodyguards, officials said.

daddy

If I understand this British Science story correctly, the reason I want to have a roll in the hay with Sophia Loren or Jaynne Mansfield is because I want to ward off parasites.

And all this time I thought it was 'cause I liked their tits.

daddy

This UK Telegraph story, Would you have confused Shakespeare and Dickens, Michael Gove? rung a bell for me.

Gove is apparently the equivalent of the Head of the Department of Education for the UK. Recently, while commenting on the need for better education and better testing of students in Britain, he mistakenly attributed The Laws of Thermodynamics to Isaac Newton:

“What [students] need is a rooting in the basic scientific principles, Newton’s laws of thermodynamics and Boyle’s law.”

Continues the UK Tellie's Science Writer: "Newton’s laws of thermodynamics! That’s Newton (died 1727, expounded the laws of motion in 1687) and the laws of thermodynamics (expounded between 1847 and 1851 by William Thompson, later Lord Kelvin).
It’s every bit as ridiculous, to a scientist’s ears (or mine), as getting the Bard (Shakespeare) and Dickens confused – it may have been a slip of the tongue, but it’s a particularly jarring one. But for some reason ignorance of science seems to be less shameful in certain circles than ignorance of the arts and humanities."

This reminded me of an old favorite from the UK's C. P. Snow, and his famous lecture 1959 "The Two Cultures":

"A good many times I have been present at gatherings of people who, by the standards of the traditional culture, are thought highly educated and who have with considerable gusto been expressing their incredulity at the illiteracy of scientists. Once or twice I have been provoked and have asked the company how many of them could describe the Second Law of Thermodynamics. The response was cold: it was also negative. Yet I was asking something which is the scientific equivalent of: Have you read a work of Shakespeare's?
I now believe that if I had asked an even simpler question — such as, What do you mean by mass, or acceleration, which is the scientific equivalent of saying, Can you read? — not more than one in ten of the highly educated would have felt that I was speaking the same language. So the great edifice of modern physics goes up, and the majority of the cleverest people in the western world have about as much insight into it as their neolithic ancestors would have had."

Oh well. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to become Secretary's of Education.

Janet

daddy, I think your first link shows a bigger problem than confusing Newton/Lord Kelvin!

Scientists discover the point of sex

It is a question which has troubled scientists since the time of Charles Darwin – what is the point of sex?

JackisBack!

Didn't read the whole thread but did anyone post the Larry Corriea response to Obama's siilyass comment about best selling authors being the problem with the deficit. For a rip roaring smackdown go to insty and scroll down to Larry's link. I am on iPad and no can do.

Janet

My favorite vegetable...peas.

Janet

Obama - "We weren't balancing the budget off of middle-class families and working-class families. And we weren't letting hedge fund managers or authors of best-selling books off the hook. That is a reasonable proposition."

JiB's link to Larry Correia.

rse

To cut Gove a bit of slack daddy he is trying to walk the UK back from the disastrous ed policies that BO/Duncan are trying to nationalize here. Hence all that $100 billion in ARRA, RTT, etc.

The architect of that disaster under Blair spends a significant amount of his time now consulting to US school districts and the govt of Pakistan. Lovely. He also hired the former Ga School Super which is how he came to my attention. One hires Ms Deer in the Headlights because you need a faceperson who will not notice if you are pushing a different agenda than the one she is selling.

Rick-Thanks for that Cisco link. Those are team members though and Cisco is one of the companies telling politicians and bureaucrats that working in teams and collaboration are as important or more than knowledge. How will the other remaining workers survive if they must think and perform without collaborative input from the team?

Pagar-

LUN is an IB link that is consistent with what I know. I have sent it to others who are concerned about IB from having children in these programs right now but who also still have Obama stickers on their car. I had a discussion on the 4th with 3 IB diploma grads from last year. One is at Stanford and the other 2 are being paid to go to college on honor scholarships (spending money too). The colleges like to see it but they learned nothing and thought it was a lot of busywork with an attitude. If you have an interest in math/science CSU-Northridge prof David KLein has written up how much weaker IB math and science are than AP. Fordham did not want to publish what he wrote and he published it separately. Of course the accommodating College Board is resolving the issue by changing AP now.

Mark Folkestad

Janet, a very distinguished clergyman cousin has hated peas all his life. I called him last to tell him that he has to fall in line and obey the president by eating peas. He said that he would rather go to prison. Years ago, at a mini family reunion during Thanksgiving, I arranged for a huge bowl of peas to be placed in front of him, while the whole family joined hands, swaying back and forth, singing "all we are saying, is give peas a chance". He looked upward and cried out "the peas, oh God, which passeth all understanding".

Ranger

Via RCP this morning, a great little write up on why government spending does not create jobs:

An Unemployment Report That Screams Spectacular Failure

This pretty much sums it up very well I think:

When money is taken from the private sector and given to public servants to spend on our behalf, these constitute involuntary, one-sided exchanges. More often than not, coerced, one-sided exchanges make one person worse off more than they make another person better off. This economic deficit squanders resources and thereby reduces opportunities for exchanges elsewhere in the economy. Thus, for every job governments may create, more than one other job is either destroyed or never created in the private sector.

fdcol63

Scientists discover the point of sex

Proof positive that these nerds are still virgins.

Rick Ballard

"How will the other remaining workers survive if they must think and perform without collaborative input from the team?"

Cisco has determined that a much smaller team is more sustainable. Much smaller teams facilitate ease of communication, the core of Cisco's business. I understand that they have great hopes for the heliograph division. They anticipate that, once the cloudy day problem is resolved, it will takes its rightful place next to the windmill in the pantheon of innovative technological advances.

Jack is Back!

Rick,

Are you saying narciso is now consulting to tech companies on their business models:) Wait til Dana reads about this. Another great moment in Hispanic-American accomplisments.

Clarice

Karzai's brother was a crook and probably working with the Taliban,

Chubby

Ranger,

the worst part is that the middleman takes a cut, (he has to pay himself for his trouble, after all)

Clarice

Here's the last I plan to say on the AP/IB question--from Jay Mathews, the ed writer and a teacher here in the DC area:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/13/AR2007111300695.html

PD

Karzai's brother was a crook and probably working with the Taliban

And Karzai himself is ... ?

Ranger

the worst part is that the middleman takes a cut, (he has to pay himself for his trouble, after all)

Posted by: Chubby | July 12, 2011 at 08:44 AM

Very true. Though I'm not sure its the worse part. Another aspect of the problem is the public servant who gets to spend the money has no ecnomic insentive to do it efficiently. In fact, in most situations, the more the public servant spends, the better their preformance evaluation, and the higher their budget is next year.

Ignatz

--How 'bout we debate all ideas and come to a consensus on compromise, which has always been the "essence of free politics" in the USA.--

The list of examples contrary to that is many thousand of pages long the most extreme example being the short but vigorous debate between 1860-1865 which was the end game of the Missouri compromise and currently, includes Obamacare and Porkulus, both of which were rammed through with little to no debate ("we have to pass it to find out what's in it") and approximately zero consensus.

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As far as how much more uncivilized discourse is these days, it was not unknown to have fistfights and duels to settle congressional differences in the early days of the Republic. I'm not sure that's not a superior method compared to the present namby-pambies.

Chubby

Ranger, one reason I would argue it is the worst part is that administration costs take away so much from meeting the actual need.

yes, the smoke and mirror games that are played with government budgets are a problem. in family budgeting coming in under budget is a good thing; in government budgeting, coming in under is a bad thing. The whole process is so twisted and perverted it's not funny.

PD

In fact, in most situations, the more the public servant spends, the better their preformance evaluation, and the higher their budget is next year.

Not to mention the end-of-year phenomenon: "We need to spend these unused funds so that our budget doesn't get cut next year." There is incentive *not* to be efficient and do more with less.

Janet

Look at this picture of Diane Sawyer from Newsbusters...

Her & Charlie Rose would make a great "furrowed brow couple"...appearing uber interested & concerned about everything 24/7.

Rob Crawford

Janet, a very distinguished clergyman cousin has hated peas all his life.

We had a dog who hated peas. On occasion, she'd get the remnant's of dad's beef stew -- which had peas in it -- and when finished, would leave a clean bowl with a small stack of peas on one side.

Sue

Sara, Texas has more than one NFL team. You need not root for the 'boys.

What???? Bwahahaha...sure, go ahead, root for the Texans, while you're at it, say hoorah to the Rockets. Bwahahaha....

Chubby

Ignatz

once upon a time both sides in any debate agreed to the basic premise that 1=1. Since dialectical materialism established itself, that premise is no longer universally accepted as true. I have witnessed debates in which materialists have argued and even presented "proof" that mathematically, 1=0. That is what is different today, and why debates from the two school of thought are doomed to failure from the outset. (Note: I am using the 1=1 formulation as a metaphor, not necessarily talking about debates just about arithmetic.)

rse

Mathews is also the author of the 2005 book Supertest along with Ian Hill from the IB program. He is a huge advocate of the program. LUN is a link to that book.

In order to get college credit for IB you have to both higher level in it which takes 2 years and get a passing score on the exam. AP offers college credit for some courses that are a semester as long as you can master the material for the exam.

Lots of students are actually lied to about this by high school officials because Newsweek counts taking the one year Standard Level (SL) courses towards the Newsweek ranking. The students do not discover there will be no credit regardless of their exam score until the end of the year. The school gets credit for their participation and the principals are urged to push all students into IB because its emphasis on projects and not knowledge means they can do the graded work and interact socially with the high achieving kids.

Does not work well for the student not being taught to write and to discuss literature at home or via a tutor or that private school they attended through 8th grade. They need structure and explicit instruction if they are ever to learn to write. Honors English though will not help the Newsweek ranking.

In order to outrank IB over AP as mentioned in that 2007 article, Fordham had to misstate what Klein had written substantially and he then refused to sign his name to the report. The favorable ranking then was after the ratings and comments of a primary reviewer were removed.

There is some excellent youTube of Mathews discussing Two Million Minutes with Bob Compton on CNBC from Summer 2008 if you want some additional insights into Jay's train of thought. Bob completely ran circles around his talking points over whether US students are competitive with what is going on in China and India.

And Clarice and I are still friends. We simply have had different experiences.

Ranger

Ranger, one reason I would argue it is the worst part is that administration costs take away so much from meeting the actual need.

Very true. In fact, this is why "good works" should be done by private insitutions, rather than government. Private institutions do these works to help people. Government employees do them because they are paid. The fact that they get paid regardless of how well they provide the services means they have little real attachment to the works.

Melinda Romanoff

rse-

Judy Biggert is probably going to get gerrymandered out of that seat. If Naperville is chopped out, it goes Dem. Since IL is going to lose a seat, I would expect the redraw to be especially contorted, so as to save the larger Dem. Cong. Caucus of the state.

Chubby

Ranger, that reminds me of Ian interesting argument I heard against term limits yesterday -- that term limits would give more power to the unelected bureaucrats. That definitely would be a greater evil, imo.

Clarice

Well, I am going back on my word about the IB. I do not think it was particularly designed for or effective as a two year program. The curriculum now spans kindergarten thru HS.
At a minimum, I think it should be begun in middle school and should be a bilingual program .

Janet

Whoopi Throws Race-Card Temper Tantrum Over Bachmann Signing Pledge To Help Reverse Trend Of Single-Parent Black Families…

Ya know, Whoopie says she is tired of people pointing their finger at singe-parents...well I am equally tired of the special "victim" status given to single-parents. I am tired of hearing about how other citizens have to pay more taxes to support their housing, medical care, meals before-during-& after school, daycare, college, job training,...

Chubby

Janet, did you do "Which Founding Father are You Quiz" that Sara posted?

Janet

no, I'll go look for it now...

Chubby

Janet, it's in the Reason Gets Results thread, about 3 or 4 pages up from the end

Janet

Here it is.

I was George Mason. Principled, provincial, libertarian.

DrJ

Sheesh. I'm a Madison too. The choices were terrible -- very few described what I would actually do.

Sue

I am James Madison. Diligent, scholarly and shy. ::grin:: Something went wrong with the quiz.

Sue

DrJ,

That is what I thought too. Especially the one about first impressions at my house.

henry

Ditto what Dr J said. For example, on all this studying French stuff, I'd get some beer & drink it because the French all speak English.

pagar

Strawman Cometh | July 12, 2011 at 12:41 AM
thanks for that post. It is totally unbelievable how many Americans never seemed to worry about their Communist friends and neighbors destroying their country.

Janet

I took it again, & now I'm James Madison!
...which founder had a lousy memory?...can't remember how they answered the first time!

centralcal

We are all James Madison now. (well, almost - tee hee)

DrJ

Especially the one about first impressions at my house.

Yeah, same here.

The one on how you work was pretty bad too. I'm used to being the boss, so I always initiate things. But then I hire the people I need to get something done. There was nothing like that in the responses.

pagar

rse, thanks for those links. Have you seen the Big Government link today.

http://biggovernment.com/lrlee/2011/07/11/is-the-international-baccalaureate-programme-co-opting-your-child/#idc-cover

Lots of info in the comments:

"The secrecy and lack of transparency of IB is frightening." ''''''"If you dare to object to IB you are a: xenophobe, close-minded, right-wing extremist, paranoid, ignorant, tinfoil hat wearer, afraid of foreigners, etc."

"it should be noted that the current Chair of the IB Governing Board in North America is Delia Pompa. Ms. Pompa is ALSO a VP for the National Council of La Raza. Breitbart readers should be VERY alarmed. "
above comments posted at the link by ObserverNY.

The current last comment by niallasaorsa

IF you think it's just the programs labeled IB.. check your local Highschool Page and look for "Signature Programs" especially those with the words "Global Citizenship" ...

One of the worse parts of the whole fiasco is the American taxpayer is paying for all the anti American stuff our children are learning. We are paying to defeat us.

Chubby

((..which founder had a lousy memory?...))

LOL!!! which one had a great sense of humor?

rse

Melinda, Jim, and Cathy-

I would expect the gerrymandering then to also protect all the employees of that mischievous federal ed lab so where ever they live votes as a block.

Clarice-I am sorry if I was not clear it takes 2 years of coursework to have any chance of college credit for IB work in high school. That within a school with the MYP and Diploma programs. Anywhere. Then some credit is given if you have the diploma in certain systems.

When I get done you will appreciate why I asked when you son graduated. Timing is critical for what happened in education and why.

I will look at that Pagar. Thanks. IB for me is simply a small part of the story. I know where it fits and what it reflects in a broader consistent pattern.

Janet

My kids were in the IB program here in Virginia in high school. For advanced classes, the choice was IB or AP. IB had the best teachers at our high school....also, IB stressed overall high levels, whereas AP students usually push ahead & do high level studies in areas that they are already good at.
The IB program really varies school to school. Parents have to be aware of what is being taught to their kids no matter the school or program...otherwise there is homeschooling.

PD

I came out as George Washington.

I don't get that. My teeth aren't made of wood.

Chubby

PD I came out as GW also. Plus I have to say I agree with just about everything you and Ralph (also GW) post so maybe there is some merit in the quiz.

MayBee

I'm not sure the IB programs have really caught fire yet in California. Looking at the schools in CA that rank as "the best" IB programs, I see a few in the (conservative) OC. If the IB program isn't big in California, I simply can't believe it is a liberal subplot to take over the world.

As Janet says, you just have to be aware of what your kids are being taught. Any curriculum can be taken over by people with ill intent.

rse

Started in California. Has other names there.

Yes I am sure and no I am not discussing it further because it is an incidental aspect of a more important story.

Melinda Romanoff

O/T-

I found the island
. Needs some work, though.

Janet

A pirate island! I like the sound of that.

Chubby

wow, what a bargain

is on sale for a bargain $150,800. That's a fraction of the $1.98 million it was listed for last year

what are all the rows of white thingies in the aerial view?

Want vs Need

"You jackass.*"


It's all good, hit.

My apologies, to those who engaged me, for disappearing unannounced yesterday. Minor med emergency involving my foot and a sharp insturment (18 stitches) but all is ok. Hope to pick up where we left off.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Cleo: Hope no chainsaws were involved. 18 stitches sounds pretty bad.

Melinda Romanoff

No Lawnmowing in sandals!

JM Hanes

Melinda:

"Needs some work though"

I'll say! I think we're talking work like this.

Want vs Need

Would you believe I stepped on the blade of a food processor?

I was preparing carp for a garage sale in barefeet, had a box in hand which swiped the blade off a table as I was taking a step. it landed
perfectly under the left foot and made a 5 inch long 3/4 to i inch
deep gash. Bled like a stuck pig. It could have been a lot worse.

Want vs Need

Mel;

As you know, I'm not constrained from exhibiting my stupidity in public.

Melinda Romanoff

Yeeeouch! Grabbed one the wrong way before but nothing like that. Speaking from experience, speed will damn near kill you every time, if you're not careful.

And I'm in charge of my own hair shirts, thankyouverymuch.

Melinda Romanoff

A friend mowed his lawn in flipflops, slipped, and lost two toes. It took him months to recover.

JM Hanes

Had a nail go right through my foot once. Unfortunately, it was attached to the board I dragged halfway across the garage before I got loose. Doesn't hold a candle to a processor blade though! I did slit my childish throat on a picket fence though. Still have the scar which, luckily, only parallels my trachea.

Want vs Need

If the blade had been 90 degrees left or right, I would have lost toes, so I am grateful for small favors.

Want vs Need

JMH;

Mel is so right. Need to slow it down

Jack is Back!

Mel,

My wife knows that island. It is were the kids at Atlantic College would study marine science. They would take their zodiacs over for the day. She was shocked to hear that it was for sale and is going to wire the Alumni Association and see if they want to buy it. Those white triangles are not on the island but on the mainland.

Chubby

any idea what they are? boats maybe?

Clarice

Well, rse, he tested so high in the IB program that Harvard admitted him with a year's credits and made him begin his science courses at the third year level. It frankly is not a 2 year program, and public schools that try to do that so they can say they offer the IB are not doing anyone a favor.You simply cannot develop the necessary proficiency across the board to get a real IB diploma with 2 years tacked on to a normal k-10 US curriculum.


Melinda Romanoff

JiB-

I see a lend-lease program being resurrected! Joint Tenancy Until I Say So may be instituted as the law of the land. And since we are all conservative, for the most part, I feel comfortable in predicting minimal impact to the unique maritime environment, right up until the distillery goes into production.

Clarice

Here is a list of schools in DC that offer all or portions of the IB program--they range from private schools, to schools for foreign kids, to public schools,public magnet schools, to charter schools to a parochial (Catholic) school.
http://www.ibo.org/school/search/index.cfm?programmes=&country=US&region=DC&find_schools=Find

No doubt if there's a Patrice Lumumba charter school in Oakland and an Archbishop Carroll school , even with identical curricula there will be a substantial difference in approach.

scott

Madison. I've been busy cutting hay and going to the beach (in addition to standard cubicle duty) so I missed it the first time. There sure is a change for the better around here. Congrats to all involved.

JackisBack!

All,

Mean' to mention earler that those white triangle shapes across from Sully Island are "caravans" or as we call them travel trailers. To neatly organized to be Gypsies (travelers) but are holiday retreats.

Mel,

Can we start a JOM syndicate to see if we can raise enough to buy it, build a castle and small airstrp. Declare war on Britain and see what we get oit of that:)

/somewhere Peter Sellers is smiling

Melinda Romanoff

Airstrip? I like boats.

Castles I can do, so long as you carry all the cement while I'm sketching. A person needs to think these plans through.

JackisBack!

Clarice,

United World Colleges have been doing 2 year only IB successfully for over 50 years around the world including campuses here in the States. Our local Catholic HS doesn't offer it but our K-8 who want it go to local public HS for it (4 years) and one of our kids is now at Navy and another at Duke (pre-med).

But then a great education begins at home IMHO. So who knows if it makes a difference without knowing that powerful variable.

Jack is Back!

Need an airstrip to launch our attack and accept the Queen for the surrender ceremony.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

My daughter ended up with her foot in a cast for 8 weeks after dropping one of those giant pickle jars you get at Costco on her bare foot. Her hands were wet and she was trying to carry it from the counter to the frig, when it slipped, hit the top of her bare foot and broke several bones. I was in the room, but had my back to her at the time, so I didn't see it happen. All of a sudden she was screaming, there was pickle juice running all over the place, pickles rolling around and broken glass everywhere. It was one of those flashes of time where it takes you a beat to figure out what happened and then you don't know what needs your attention first. The juice was starting to run under the appliances, two dogs ran off with two pickles, I didn't want my dau. to move because of the glass. And then I got the giggles. I knew I should be trying to help my dau. and be comforting to her as she was obviously in pain, but the comedy of the pickles, the stinky juice, the dogs, I just lost it. Of course, my dau. has never let me live it down. :)

Cleo: that sounds so painful. Take care.

Want vs Need

Thanks Sara.

It is a lot easier to handle when it's your own foot, rather than a loved one.

hit and run

Glad to hear that your pain and suffering is not as great as it might could have been.

I don't think I'm alone in this. But who can be sure?

But seriously,slow down.

Annoying Old Guy
Scientists discover the point of sex

That's easy to mock, but what is meant by that is "why don't we reproduce asexually through say, budding or parthenogenesis?". So the scientists are not wondering "why do men and women have sex" but "why are there men at all, and not self-cloning women?".

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