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July 08, 2011

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Gmax

Yeah I am with Mel. Given the cuts will be offered all in the military and or in the out years, I want more than 1 for 2. How about 4 to 1. And at least 1 of the 4 has to be in the current budget and not off a bs baseline.

JM Hanes

Who's "Voting against their own interests" now?

But never mind that. We're lookin' at you, Tea Party, and I can attest to the therapeutic effects of laughter!


Stephen Pizzo should loan his copy of Eric Hoffer to Michael Lind, just to show him how to do populism the way populism is supposed to be done, with only a token sprinkle of Holy Water. Hoffer had the Tea Party's number way back in 1951, and Pizzo's acolyte left out some of the best parts.

We've got more than just yer "inferior elements of a nation," among them "the 'new poor', who throb with the ferment of frustration" like those once dispossessed "strong and active peasants" of yore who turned to beggary -- or joined the army. You'll be relieved to know, however, there are superior forms of poverty in Hofferland.

Pizzo commends to our particular attention the dangerous rise of a new "workingman" who "feels unemployment as a degradation" to be rectified, not to be confused with the "traditionally poor," who "felt poor in good times and in bad" and, in the face of "depressions, however servere," just carried on eking out their miserable existences, "doing the world's work," without complaint, because they never expected anything better anyway. I gather that's what "reverence for the present" is supposed to look like.

There's the obligatory breach of Godwin's Law, of course, in the form of a "ruined middle class" marching to Nazi/Facist drums. But that was back in pre-Godwin 1951 -- which, come to think of it, would actually make it a more proximate offense, no?

You can safely skip Pizzo's own dreary admonitions. I mean really, who could miss the irony of describing the typical Tea Partier thus:

He sees himself disinherited and injured by an unjust order of things and is willing to listen to those who call for a new deal.

Pizzo and his promoter here, that's who. I apologize to the JOM community for today's little exercises in exegesiry, and having had a frivolously good time, will now cease and desist.

hit and run

...and the livin's easy.

JM Hanes

Appalled:

"200 billion just isn't that much"

It's a step up from Obama's phantom trillion, and it's not the only thing the Republicans have been proposing.

"As for an arbitrary number -- there is no deal, and we haven't seen it yet. So it's hard say anything."

The arbitrary number is the budget gap you're talking about closing with some form of more revenue (which you, yourself, parenthetically identified as more taxes). The fact that we haven't seen what's on the table didn't stop you from slamming Republicans as would-be Robspierres and Jacobin stuntmen.

"I prefer a deal to perfection, and think the people ought to see what running the government they want really costs"

Please tell me that you're not suggesting that the Republicans are hiding that ball!

BURN IT DOWN


The Tea Party's Murder-Suicide Pact


On the cusp of a historic triumph, the movement seems more interested in wrecking the economy -- and the Republican Party, too

Congress cut short its July 4th recess and returned to Washington this week to try and reach a deal to raise the debt ceiling. Or, rather, some of its members are trying - a growing number of Republicans responsive to the Tea Party movement seem dead set again this. They not only claim that the United States won't suffer any negative consequences if it doesn't raise the ceiling, but that refusing will have the salutary effect of forcing the government to live within its means.
A lot is at stake here. Just about everyone besides these Republicans believes that a debt default would be catastrophic. And most of them, including President Obama, would accept trillions of dollars in spending cuts to avoid finding out.

We'll know soon enough. The Treasury reports that as of Aug. 2 the government will no longer be able to meet its obligations. Among the many things that will be revealed on the way is whether the Tea Party can plausibly claim to be a constructive force imposing a new regime of fiscal probity or whether it will bring about the political equivalent of a murder-suicide, wrecking the economy and taking the Republican Party over a cliff.
Both scenarios are entirely plausible - a situation few could have envisioned when the Tea Party first rose up in the wake of the bailouts of Wall Street and the automotive industry in 2008. The movement's influence has turned out to be almost the opposite of what most people expected. Initially, the Tea Party was regarded as a powerful grass-roots electoral force, but probably not one that was going to change the bipartisan culture of Washington profligacy.
That view reflected the widespread expectation that most of its members would go native upon arrival in Washington and rapidly come to resemble those who they had replaced.
But for the most part, this hasn't happened. While the Tea Party movement helped Republicans carry the House last November, the limits of its electoral capacity were clear. Its candidates probably cost Republicans a number of key Senate races.
Where the Tea Party has been much more successful is in the profound effect it has had on Washington. At a time when the Democrats control most of the government and voters are obsessed with the weak economy - the latest Gallup poll shows 55 percent identifying the economy or jobs as their top issue, against only 13 percent who name the federal deficit - the singular focus in Washington is the Tea Party's prime concern: cutting the federal budget.
What's more, they are on the cusp of an almost unimaginable triumph. Until about a week ago, a grand bargain with Democrats and the White House seemed very near at hand in which spending would be cut by as much as $4 trillion over the next decade or so. These cuts included hundreds of billions from cherished entitlement programs like Medicare and Medicaid that conservatives have longed to confront for years, but from which they have always flinched for fear of the backlash that would inevitably ensue. Democrats have extended them a once-in-a-generation free pass, and ask remarkably little in return. In fact, the opening bid from the White House met the demands laid down in March (.pdf) by House Speaker John Boehner that any deal comprise 85 percent spending cuts and 15 percent revenue increases.
But key Republicans have decided they cannot abide any such deal, no matter how favorable to their own cause, a stunning reversal of position brought about by the Tea Party's refusal to consider any tax increase and mainstream Republicans' fear of getting crosswise with them. Crazy as this sounds, a number of Republicans from gerrymandered conservative districts appear more frightened of Tea Party wrath than the prospect of bringing about economic calamity (which would hurt those activists along with everyone else).
It's not too late. On Tuesday, the president reiterated his desire to cut trillions in spending and to do what politicians rarely do: forgo a smaller deal for something very much harder but of historic magnitude, which by the Tea Party's own professed standard, would represent a tremendous victory and establish it as one of the most successful forces in recent political history. But for the time being, its legacy seems to be approaching an ominously different outcome.

BURN IT DOWN

"He sees himself disinherited and injured by an unjust order of things"

Shorter JMH (since he prefers Brevity)

Angry white minority

BURN IT DOWN

"exegesiry"? WTF?

Exegesis? Exit? Expatriot?

Please enlighten us all, oh wise and perspicacious Sage!

narciso

It really is warmed over Hofstadler and Altemeyer, while ignoring the causes of the current crisis, Sutton/Dillinger, among them.
Then again, as Jim Miller has pointed out, participation in the instrumentalities of the economic crisis, is a 'resume enhancer' in this administration, Meanwhile, there is a regulatory bottleneck on any real industrial
or technological facet.

JackisBack!

Wanna kill jobs? Make the cost of living in the midwest and northeast higher? How about strangle 3 major industries and a plethora of sub-major industries? Grow government, increase regulatory stranglhold on utilities without recourse to nuclear or fracked shale gas? No problem, just promulagate new coal fired power plant emission rates that can only be met by technology yet commercialized and will close down 50 % of existing capacity within 10 years.

I give you Obama's promise in the form of EPA's new prposed regs. And I will continue to beat the drum of ever expanding junk science based regulations as a greater threat to the economy then debt limits. Forget funding a larger goverment with increased revenue or cuts in entitlements. No one will have any substantial income to contribute any meaningful tax revenue.

Done on an iPad -so preemptive apologies.

ps Watching Women's Open - some nice looking young women there and also some.........

Boatbuilder

Rhetorical question: why do the Dems need tax increases ("revenue enhancements") as part of the deal?

If the cuts are made, and revenues are neutral, they will have more, not less, money to spend on their pet projects.

They could compromise by seeking to reduce the amout of cuts. They don't seem to care all that much about that, so long as the major cuts are in the out years and ther is some sort of "tax increase" in the compromise.

It's not like our tax system is "unfair"--that is, not steeply progressive enough--for anone but the hard left. The problem is not that "the rich" aren't paying their share--it's that the spending is so out-of control that the middle class is getting buried even paying a relatively minimal share of the total.

Can anyone, lefty, moderate, or conservative provide a reason, other than the purely political, why the absence of tax increases is a deal-breaker for the Dems?

narciso

Dillinger/Capone alliance bespeaks the sort of non-compliant members of Bureau requiring non-traditional methods of interrogation.

Such methods become real when Aziz covets the hummus from his neighbors kitchen, and the option of Baba Ghannoush for his pita bread becomes the kernel of
compromise for each Burkha they wear.

JM Hanes

JMH & Brevity would take odd couple honors at JOM.

As a rule, I actually post things I've written, unlike other lazy louts, whom I'm afraid I'm at a loss to name. I must admit, however, that I prefer cut & pastes to stream of consciousness obscenities. Whether folks scroll on by my long posts as often as they take a pass on yours, I couldn't say.

JMH-Master knee-cap sucker

"Whether folks scroll on by my long posts as often as they take a pass on yours, I couldn't say."

Since your posts pander to the preferences of your audience, I'm sure they stop to absorb, by osmosis, every wise word your limited perspective has to provide.

Try some c/p. It might improve your expansive vocabulary.

Rick Ballard

C'mon, fellas. The President needs help. Don't you want to really give it to him? I know I do.

The $700 billion extension will cover spending already authorized while the $350 billion cuts in the '12 budget are actually worth more than $4 trillion in promises payable in the out years by a different Congress and a different President.

I just want to be able to say "Good For You, Mr. President" with all the sincerity which Soylent Red recently put into using the phrase. If he signs the deal I've proposed, I'll be able to say it with perfect equanimity and the highest level of bipartisan spirit which I have ever been able to muster.

JMH-Master knee-cap sucker

waiting for your reply as I like 'speed chess'

JM Hanes

"exegesiry"? WTF?

I'd have thought you, of all people, would appreciate my taking a few semantic liberties here and there. You apparently didn't stumble over Anti-Southernizationism -- unless you just missed it altogether, of course.

narciso

They really don't care about the impact of the taxes, as we've seen, those who support
them, most zealously, many of them don't bother to pay them, at the top of the list
the overseer of the IRS and the former chairman of the tax writing committee,

Marmalard is full of CARP

"I just want to be able to say"...thank you Mr Bohner for the jobs you have supplied to the American economy based on the promise of the Bush Tax cuts still in place and doing their job for 9 years now.

Extraneus

Can anyone, lefty, moderate, or conservative provide a reason, other than the purely political, why the absence of tax increases is a deal-breaker for the Dems?

Because the "cuts" are only taking from the poor, so it's not fair that anything is cut unless the rich are equally punished. Hasn't Obama already said as much?

Any cuts in any federal programs heartlessly punish the poor, because all federal programs benefit the poor.

All states except for Vermont have some form of balanced budget amendment, so this b.s. doesn't fly as far as it does on the federal level.

JMH gets a pass

" a few semantic liberties '

I make words up too. But that's a bridge too far.

narciso

On another point, I'm afraid many of your concerns about Bachmann, have been born out
JM, this snafu involving VanderPlaats pledge, which has been 'blown out of proportion, but still doesn't look good, is an example.

JM Hanes

"Since your posts pander to the preferences of your audience, I'm sure they stop to absorb, by osmosis, every wise word your limited perspective has to provide."

Well, then, when my limited perspective includes your pasties, you should be positively thrilled whenever I take the time to read and comment on them. Otherwise, who would even know you were here?

hit and run

What was the Friday news dump this week?

Extraneus

JM, many of us skip over her posts, but I'm pretty sure we all read yours. Have some consideration.

Why do you need this reinforcement?

"

whenever I take the time to read and comment on them".

You have no idea how important it is that you read them.

But that is only a portion of the motivation for me.

I derive my satisfaction from not allowing the bullshit promulgated is accepted without opposition.

It's a small victory, but I claim it.

narciso

In the unintentional irony, guess who said this?

Now, in the world that I live in people always think they’re right. Now, I know that’s probably true of a lot of worlds, and maybe it’s even true of the faculty here. But part of what happens—ooh, that got a little bit of a … [laughter], that’s why they’re sitting behind the students—there’s a premium placed on opinions. There’s a premium placed on being outrageous, on being provocative—not necessarily having opinions that are rooted in reality and rooted in fact, but opinions that will get people’s attention. To me, that’s not very valuable.

The great New York senator, Pat Moynihan, once said, you’re entitled to your own opinions, but you’re not entitled to your own facts. Now, I couldn’t agree more, but that has become a quaint notion in our society because even though there is more information available than there has ever been in history, people are basically inventing their own facts—and they’re using specious information to justify it. And that’s why—I have it right here—I brought my long-form birth certificate [laughter] to show that I was born in America. [Applause and laughter]

At the same time, there is what I think of in my world and I think in American politics on the left and right, there’s an epidemic of certainty—people who are absolutely sure that they know that they’re right. And I find this a little irksome. And those of you who have studied science know that modern neuroscience tells you that certainty is a state of mind; it’s not an appraisal of the state of the world. It’s some temporal lobe stimulation, some synapses firing in your brain, that gives you that feeling of knowing that you’re right. It doesn’t necessarily correspond to the world. The brain creates that feeling of rightness, not the world itself.

Extraneus

If snake oil salesmen couldn't talk a good game, they'd be broke.

JM Hanes

narciso:

I'm sorry to see her make such a miscalculation. I actually think she's been doing a great job of putting conservative positions out there, and talking about them with a refreshing clarity. She was quick off the mark in the debate too (loved her American Idol response to that silly question about picking a fav contender). While I could never see her as a real presidential contender, I thought her decision to run had something of a galvanizing effect that could have been a continuing plus (and could conceivably still be) -- although she did make everybody else look depressingly bland.

Melinda Romanoff

Toilet dancing!?!

I love it.

More drums please!

Pattycake


In the unintentional irony, guess who said this?


http://patterico.com/2011/07/08/ironic-quote-of-the-day/

narciso

the answer, Richard Stengel, Princeton '75, the head of the National Constitution Center, who threw out that whopper about prohibition, being reversed in the Courts,

narciso

So, getting back to the point of the thread,
this last as long as well as 'deem and pass'

Extraneus

That wasn't a snake oil salesman?

It was from Time managing editor Richard Stengel's Wheaton graduation keynote speech.

A handsome man, no doubt even without the makeup.

Threadkiller

Cutting Off Funding For Military Action In Libya

I Won

I have a secret plan.

Pattycake

"Cutting Off Funding For Military Action In Libya"

Don't it make your proud, 'Noodler?

Thomas Collins

Appalled, your contrast of Lincoln/Reagan with Wilson is an interesting one. Lincoln and Reagan were self-evident truth polity guys. Wilson was an unabashed prog. Obama's ideological genealogical tree, whether natural born or whatever born, is in the Wilson line, not the Lincoln/Reagan line.

Pattycake

BREAKING;

Pattycake

BREAKING;

Janet

this snafu involving VanderPlaats pledge,

What snafu?

I'm sorry to see her make such a miscalculation.

What miscalculation?

I tried to bring up "The Marriage Vow - A Declaration of Dependence Upon Marriage & Family", but the site was overloaded.

Pattycake

BETTY FORD RIP.

Janet

Here's a copy of it.

JackisBack!

Stengel represents the problem not the solution. So he can dribble and do layup drills. But he is still a New York eastern establishment elitist unafraid to use linguistic jui-jitsu to boost his creds but he is still a light weight apologist who couldn't carry Pat Moynihan's bibliography across Princeton Square.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Betty Ford, wife of Gerald Ford, R.I.P. Age 93.

Ignatz

--Exegesis? Exit? Expatriot?--

Exorcism.

Stephanie

Reminder:

Has everyone purchased their tickets to see 'The Undefeated' opening in theaters next Friday? If not... go find three friends and make a night of it.

LUN for a list of theaters and ordering information.

JM Hanes

"It's a small victory, but I claim it."

Do you really care if anybody reads your stuff?

There's not much to say, if you're willing to settle for one hand clapping. If it does actually matter to you whether or not anyone reads a word you post, surely you might consider the possibility that bulk news dumps are completely self-defeating. Cut back on the numbers, spread 'em out from one day to the next, and you might at least take some folks by surprise.

But I'm not telling you anything you don't already know, am I?

cathyf

I'm all in favor of big tax increases -- the kind you get when unemployed and underemployed people get jobs or get more hours, and then they pay taxes on the money that they make.

I'm pretty sure that the 1/10th of Americans unemployed and the 1/10th of Americans underemployed are all in favor of needing to pay more taxes after they are making more money!

hit and run

Every time I go to the garage,I claim I'm a car.

Vroom vrooom!

Al Asad

"Im not telling you anything you don't already know, am I?

Nothing that doesn't pander to your local interest.

Why don't you visit some blogs which are antithetical to your mindset?

Al Asad

Neither Friday's arrest of Prime Minister David Cameron's former press aide Andy Coulson nor Rupert Murdoch's decision to close the paper for good will curb the calamity that is the News of the World phone-hacking scandal.


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The English press is saying that Cameron's connection to the paper will tarnish his reputation permanently, but if the Prime Minister delivers on a large-scale government investigation as promised, he could get off the hook. The more seriously he reacts to the scandal the better.

And the more arrests that are made in connection to News of the World, the better it is for Cameron and the people of England.

So far, six people have been arrested for their alleged involvement with News of the World's hacking practices. Police think that Coulson, who was a top Cameron aide until he resigned last week and was the tabloid's editor from 2003-2007, knew about the hacking, as well as police bribes that occurred under his charge.

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London police have also said that they arrested a 53-year-old man for corruption charges related to News of the World, but they have not released the suspect's name.

A private investigator named Glenn Mulcaire is largely responsible for the actual phone-hacking itself. He was hired by News of the World, a subsidiary of Murdoch's News International, to track missing British teen Milly Dowler for the scandal sheet. Mulcaire, who already had a criminal record, has been apprehended by the police.

There will be a veritable News of the World reunion in the London slammer. Coulson's royal-editor Clive Goodman was incarcerated for listening to the voice mail messages of royal aides.

The arrests will hopefully not be the last. The NOTW newsroom had allegedly tapped thousands of phones over a number of years, including those of the families of those killed in a 2005 terrorist attack.

NOTW staff has already tried covering up some of the facts. British police fear that the tabloids editors and former editors have deleted millions of e-mails relating to cell phone-hacking. If the editors have so many incriminating messages to hide, it is more than likely that they were at least aware of the practice, if not promoting it.

Although he personally hired Coulson, Prime Minister Cameron is outraged by the hacking controversy.

"[This] is not just about journalists on one newspaper, it's not even just about the press -- it's also about the police and about how politics works, and politicians too," Cameron stated.

"This is a wake-up call," he said. "It's on my watch that the music has stopped and I'm saying loud and clear that the relationship has to change in the future."

Infamous former-editor Rebekah Brooks, who now heads Murdoch's News International, has so far escaped any criminal allegations, although many in England are calling for her resignation. Brooks ran News of the World during the Dowler manhunt, but claims to have been unaware of the hacking at the time..

hit and run

cathyf:
I'm all in favor of big tax increases -- the kind you get when unemployed and underemployed people get jobs or get more hours, and then they pay taxes on the money that they make.

Rubio: Let’s stop talking about new taxes and start talking about new taxpayers

JM Hanes

You gettin' any of that rain I'm trying to send your way, hit? Alas, it doesn't seem to like being told what to do any more than my children did, and bribing it with M&M's is apparently not an option.

Al Asad

'Our job here [in Congress] is to do everything we can to make it easier for them to find a job, not harder.'

So the lack of jobs programs promulgated by the Republican Leadership is finally reaching the polls?

What jobs programs have been introduced by the Jobs Leader Bohner?

I mean, other than 'Tax cuts for the Rich'?

Since the Bush tax cuts, we have had the lowest tax rates since the 1960's, where are.......................where are the JOBS?

You are a one-trick pony who has seen better days.

Stop using that tired, Reaganomic bullshit.

JM Hanes

"Why don't you visit some blogs which are antithetical to your mindset?"

Why don't you leave the assumptions underlying that question at the door, when you're pressing an antithetical call yourself?

Stephanie

How much of the year to year deficit would be wiped out if unemployment were at GWB levels?

How much of that additional 'revenue' would you trust congress to apply to the current year deficit?

So much for it being a revenue problem...

If these fools fail to reduce the year to year deficit, a taxpayer's strike should be in order. Starve the beast.

Maybe we should unionize first, though. Is Ron Bloom available? We don't want the government to come down on the 'wrong side' in the effort.

Ranger

Why don't you visit some blogs which are antithetical to your mindset?

Why do you assume that we don't? Just because we don't agree with you doesn't mean we haven't read the side. Though, I must say that a big part of the reason I don't read lefty blogs as much as I once did is that they have become so devoid of serious arguments. They have become essentially fact free zones that simply read and quote each other, without ever referencing anything but opinion. Half the stuff you post here is simply opinoin drivil without any factual content, often because even a basic element of fact would unravel the entire argument.

Al Asad

"Why don't you leave the assumptions underlying that question at the door, when you're pressing an antithetical call yourself?"

If you wish, clarify. If not, don't expect me to assume the language you use to have any meaning or clarity.

Clarice

JMH, then switch to jelly bellies.

narciso

'Pot calling the kettle here, isn't Rutgers a stste university,


Susan Feinberg, an associate business professor at Rutgers, was at Bistro Bis celebrating her birthday with her husband that night. When she saw the label on the bottle of Jayer-Gilles 2004 Echezeaux Grand Cru [imported from France] Ryan’s table had ordered, she quickly looked it up on the wine list and saw that it sold for an eye-popping $350, the most expensive wine in the house along with one other with the same pricetag.

Al Asad

"JMH, then switch to jelly bellies."

That's the most sagacious utterance I've seen from the likes of your mindset.

narciso

It's too bad the closest place that the 'Undefeated' is showing is in Orlando.

Ranger

So the lack of jobs programs promulgated by the Republican Leadership is finally reaching the polls?

What jobs programs have been introduced by the Jobs Leader Bohner?

I mean, other than 'Tax cuts for the Rich'?

Well, we have the recent experience of the Porkulus, which was supposed to ba a massive jobs program funding "shovel ready projects." What we learned from that is the simple fact that, thanks to federal, state, and local red tape, it actually takes years to get a construction program moving. A large amount of Porkulus funds that were supposed to lead to putting construction workers back to work, actually went into funding enviromental impact studies and other such paperwork, rather than giving construction workers jobs.

If you want a real jobs program, cut back on the red tape and the useless paperwork people have to fill out and certificates that people have to "earn" (i.e. pay some connected local group to issue) to open a shop or provide a service.

But instead, we have Team Obama pouring money into the already broken red tape system to produce even more regulations and kill even more small businesses (see for example the new OSHA regs that basically say that 'we can't tell you what an unsafe work place is, but we know it when we see it').

Janet

Really, what was Bachmann's snafu or miscalculation?
Did she sign a pledge saying babies can be killed in the womb or even after they are born?
Did she sign a pledge redefining a word?
Did she say she was gonna stop the oceans from rising?...or that Guam was gonna flip over?
Is she selling guns to drug dealers? or protecting citizens from other countries OVER the laws of her own nation?

narciso

It's like Groundhog Day, for them, ranger,or that really annoying film, with DrewBarrymore,
they propose things, that have been tried again and failed again and again, I'm just
waiting for them, to reintroduce 'Cars for
Clunkers'

MarkO

Because Obama is never wrong, the only argument to be made about the economy is one that suggests his big brain has been slowed only because we did not spend nearly enough money over nearly enough time. He has that really big brain, you know.

Al Asad

'Cars for
Clunkers'"

Or, 'VOO DOO ECONOMICS;

There's yer winner........

Ranger

A post at Instapundit:

HOPE AND CHANGE: A reader emails: “I just got the renewal on our work’s health insurance. It is up 24%. Thank you, Mr. President.”

I guess his company didn't get a waiver.

JM Hanes

hit!

Get out your ear plugs! If the thunder cracks over your house, it's gonna hurt!

Al Asad

It's nice when you're not called on 'Reaganomics is bullshit"

Undercuts all arguments for the Republican Strategy
to Default.

Nice.

JM Hanes

Who needs another cash for clunkers when you can get a $7,500 tax credit for an approved.gov vehicle? [It may actually be a tax "rebate," but that just seemed too absurd to type.]

sbw

I do my part for JOM. I scroll on by.

Al Asad

I thought this bears repeating;


"I just want to be able to say"...thank you Mr Bohner for the jobs you have supplied to the American economy based on the promise of the Bush Tax cuts still in place and doing their job for 9 years now.

Posted by: Marmalard is full of CARP | July 08, 2011 at 08:15 PM


Al Asad

**crickets**

narciso

I forgot about that, meanwhile, in my neck of the woods, someone parked a hearse that may or not have a bomb, under an expressway overpass,

An Empathetic Post For Cisco

Grammar's Hard Without Changing the Rules
by BooMan
Fri Jul 8th, 2011 at 08:09:17 PM EST

I know my grammar sucks. I've read your mail. I never really paid attention when they were teaching grammar. I didn't take to it naturally. So, my grammar, such that it is, is mainly learned through osmosis. I read an incredible amount of grammatically correct English, and I pick up on how to write correctly as a result. I still suck.
That's why I get aggravated when they start changing rules on punctuation. I'm actually fairly decent at punctuation. I was taught to add two spaces after a period and one space after a comma. Then they changed it to one space after a period. I'm sorry, but I'm defiant.

The latest change is even more annoying.

The comma
As a general rule, do not use the serial/Oxford comma: so write ‘a, b and c’ not ‘a, b, and c’. But when a comma would assist in the meaning of the sentence or helps to resolve ambiguity, it can be used – especially where one of the items in the list is already joined by ‘and’:

They had a choice between croissants, bacon and eggs, and muesli.

I'm sorry, but I'm not doing that. It doesn't read correctly. There's a reason that you don't place a comma between bacon and eggs, and it's the same reason that you do put a comma between things of equal weight that are not conjoined. The lack of a comma contains information. It tells you that the bacon and the eggs go together to create one unit along the string of units being listed. Why add a comma after 'a' if you're not going to add one after 'b'? It's confusing.

Add it to the list of things that are annoying me.

hit and run

JMH:
You gettin' any of that rain I'm trying to send your way, hit?

Indeed! Got a good gullywasher....then a lull and then...

Get out your ear plugs! If the thunder cracks over your house, it's gonna hurt!

Indeed!

I was safely perched on my beach chair a few feet inside the garage.

I've now had to move back 10 ft in the garage due to the blowing rain.

Not complaining. We need the rain.

PD

**crickets**

Still waiting for a reply? Okay:

If there's anything that beats steak and kidney pie, it's *canned* steak and kidney pie.

The Righteous Fist of Harmony

Hey Cleo...may I call you Cleo? I'm thinking of stopping by soon. Want to check in on Doreen...

JackisBack!

narciso,

Any idea if there is a dearly departed in the hearse?

narciso

Donn't think so, JiB, but it closed of traffic for 6 hours.

The Righteous Fist of Harmony

Should I give Doreen's address, Cleo? I'm sure ther are others who'd like to check on her.

All you have to do is post another c&p...

JackisBack!

Good excuse for high speed rail. I blame Siemens. Was the hearse a Merc?

Rob Crawford

Why do you assume that we don't? Just because we don't agree with you doesn't mean we haven't read the side.

The freaking troll can't even express the least understanding of our ideas, yet feels free to lecture us about understanding its?

We all know damned well what the left wants; we hear it constantly every EXCEPT the "alternative media". It's a rare lefty -- and troll baby isn't one -- that has a deeper understanding of conservatives than "God, guns, and gays".

The Righteous Fist of Harmony

It's anarchy, Cleo. Anarchy. Don't you just love it?

Clarice

Amazing the kind of people you can meet on the IT--Take this clown and the people he hangs with, for example. Really deep thinkers and I am sure very productive,
http://wewillhaveourvengeance.blogspot.com/2010/02/dana-ward-pulled-my-prole-card.html

JackisBack!

Rob,

Almost like the choice between Hooters or Starbucks.

I'll show you anarchy


Neither Friday's arrest of Prime Minister David Cameron's former press aide Andy Coulson nor Rupert Murdoch's decision to close the paper for good will curb the calamity that is the News of the World phone-hacking scandal.


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The English press is saying that Cameron's connection to the paper will tarnish his reputation permanently, but if the Prime Minister delivers on a large-scale government investigation as promised, he could get off the hook. The more seriously he reacts to the scandal the better.

And the more arrests that are made in connection to News of the World, the better it is for Cameron and the people of England.

So far, six people have been arrested for their alleged involvement with News of the World's hacking practices. Police think that Coulson, who was a top Cameron aide until he resigned last week and was the tabloid's editor from 2003-2007, knew about the hacking, as well as police bribes that occurred under his charge.

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London police have also said that they arrested a 53-year-old man for corruption charges related to News of the World, but they have not released the suspect's name.

A private investigator named Glenn Mulcaire is largely responsible for the actual phone-hacking itself. He was hired by News of the World, a subsidiary of Murdoch's News International, to track missing British teen Milly Dowler for the scandal sheet. Mulcaire, who already had a criminal record, has been apprehended by the police.

There will be a veritable News of the World reunion in the London slammer. Coulson's royal-editor Clive Goodman was incarcerated for listening to the voice mail messages of royal aides.

The arrests will hopefully not be the last. The NOTW newsroom had allegedly tapped thousands of phones over a number of years, including those of the families of those killed in a 2005 terrorist attack.

NOTW staff has already tried covering up some of the facts. British police fear that the tabloids editors and former editors have deleted millions of e-mails relating to cell phone-hacking. If the editors have so many incriminating messages to hide, it is more than likely that they were at least aware of the practice, if not promoting it.

Although he personally hired Coulson, Prime Minister Cameron is outraged by the hacking controversy.

"[This] is not just about journalists on one newspaper, it's not even just about the press -- it's also about the police and about how politics works, and politicians too," Cameron stated.

"This is a wake-up call," he said. "It's on my watch that the music has stopped and I'm saying loud and clear that the relationship has to change in the future."

Infamous former-editor Rebekah Brooks, who now heads Murdoch's News International, has so far escaped any criminal allegations, although many in England are calling for her resignation. Brooks ran News of the World during the Dowler manhunt, but claims to have been unaware of the hacking at the time.

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I'll show you anarchy

Should I give Doreen's address, Cleo? I'm sure ther are others who'd like to check on her.

All you have to do is post another c&p...


I think I just did. asshole.

narciso

Everything is a scam, Rob, the brouhaha over NI, obscures the BBC/Guardian archipelago,
the attack on Koch, tries to obfuscate out the
failure of the Oregon plan's goals, arming the known nodes of a criminal network so we give up our hard won liberties. From the AP
to the Grey Lady to the legacy networks and
the netroots, which have formed a zsysgy.

I'll show you anarchy

I'm waiting for you to post my ex-wifes address to the entire internet, asshole.

Calling your cowardly cuntself to account.

JackisBack!

clarice,

Those guys don't even know who William Gowin is. They think its fun to throw bricks thru McDonalds windows.

JackisBack!

Godwin.

Melinda Romanoff

Anarchy only works if nobody cares and everyone fears.


Hahahahahahah!

Flint vs. tungsten, heh, heh-heh.

Oh, this is getting funny.

I'll show you anarchy

IP ADDRESS MUST IMMEDIATE:Y BE ATTACHED to this correspondence as it relates to perceived or acknowledged receipt between respondents.

Melinda Romanoff

Hahahahah!

Clarice

Reminds me of the time I threw a rock (first time ever) and hit the neighborhood bully square in the face and we all watched in amazement as he went running home crying to his mother. I have never feared bullies again.

The Righteous Fist of Harmony

This will be great material for the rest of the faculty, Cleo. They'll be s proud of you!

I'm gathering it all into a wonderful package. It will be mailed to numerous addressees. You'll be famous soon.

I'll show you anarchy

"I'm gathering it all into a wonderful package. It will be mailed to numerous addressees. You'll be famous soon."

As will you and yours.

Clarice

Imagine the kind of person who spends his free time listening to dreck like this:

"he first workshop was hosted by a woman with the Inland Empire Feminist Collective, which brought with them some zines about stuff such as DIY menstrual pads and anarcha-feminism. The workshop that they gave was like sitting through someone reading wikipedia out loud, no offense. They gave textbook definitions on what feminism was, what patriarchy was. Then they (this is all off of large pieces of paper) told us what liberal feminism was going through Marxist Feminism and into anarcha-feminism. While this might have been interesting in a setting like a college presentation, the presenter did nothing to critique liberal or Marxist feminism at all, and did nothing to talk about their own affinity towards feminism, what lead them towards such a position, etc. Then, they had us fill out this questionnaire about feminism, which resulted in a discussion that for me was really boring and liberal, with basically the group and the presenter coming to the conclusion that in order to "help women" (as the questionnaire asked) we should change the way that interact with each other and "call people on their shit." While of course, this is all important; we should hit people in the face for making rape jokes and write nasty things in stupid magazines, can't we also state that the struggle against patriarchy is a struggle against class society and the dictatorship of capital over all life and cannot be divorced from each other?"

Seriously. A grown person, not an 18 year old.

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