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July 08, 2011

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Ignatz

--Iggy. If you're trying for the coveted title "Lifetime achievement award for Wrong 100% of the Time, I should tell you you're at 97% with today's count.--

Lady, you doth protested, I'd guesstimate, about 100 times too much on this thread.

BTW, I'm pretty sure you told me you were not going to respond to me anymore. Please be the man of integrity I know you can be.
Would you like hit to look it up for you?

hit and run

Daddy:
DoT, You're 6:56 above is beautiful!

Not to mention his 7:37 and 7:41 posts...

hit and run

Ignatz:
BTW, I'm pretty sure you told me you were not going to respond to me anymore. Please be the man of integrity I know you can be.
Would you like hit to look it up for you?

The JOM Archivist is gonna start charging a fee.....

It's a good point though. By posting under 435 names (I've counted), Cleo escapes easy searches to past comments.

Not dissimilar to kim. 'cept you can usually find kim's stuff with a "====" search.

Cleo is so sneaky. I think he's smart like that.

Danube of Thought

Hell, Ext.--I hold out the hope that both she and the Queen have a very fine sense of humor about all of this.

At the wedding of one of my stepdaughters, all these beautiful, happy, twenty-something kids were dancing, laughing and enjoying themselves in a way that made all of us elders happy as could be.

At some point they formed a circle into which, one after another, the kids would step in and boogy as an individual, to great hoops and applause. Then one of the bridesmaids--daughter of dear friends--stepped in to do her gig. It involved, midway through, a headstand. She was wearing a black sheath of some kind, and after a moment of a perfect handstand,poof!--the whole thing collapsed down to her shoulders. There she was, toes pointed like a ballerina, perfect legs sticking skyward, and clad only in a thong.

The breath went out of the room, but she recovered, stood up, everyone laughed and clapped, and that was that.

Except that to this day the stepfather of the bride can't get the image of that lovely, lissome gamine's body out of his mind.

Must be something that happened to me as a cadet.

MarkO

As I dropped the kids off at the Del to sit in the sun, my youngest asked where I was going. "To visit a friend I met on the Internet," I ventured. "Well," she said, "that sounds promising."

I had such a wonderful lunch with DoT and met his charming wife. I've been given a unique gift.

JackisBack!

Hey Leo,

That was me, the cadet.

How did it effect me? Well every time over Nam knowing your ilks inclinations and leanings I toggled every ord dump with a prayer that it would make your day brighter, you pussilamanious slug.

Stephanie

Cleo is so sneaky. My cat is so sneaky.
Cleo is my cat.

My cat thinks if it hides its eyes I can't see it at all ergo Cleo is deluded, too.

I love this new progg way of redefining language to mean what I want it to mean!

Goldstein was Right! It is seductive.

The language thing, not the Dana thing. Ain't no redefining that as seductive even hiding my own eyes.

Frau  Steingehirn

"An obscure, failed prof at a jerkwater shithole school in a desert shithole. Oh, this is rich."

DoT - Don't forget, Pomona, CMC and Harvey Mudd are also in Claremont. Pitzer is in fact the crazy aunt in the attic suggested earlier. During the first graduation, a student came in a gorilla suit to receive her diploma. It's gone downhill since.

Claremont was a dry town until the '60s and you forgot LaVerne (how could you?) in the Route 66 parade.

hit and run

DoT:
At the wedding of one of my stepdaughters, all these beautiful, happy, twenty-something kids were dancing, laughing and enjoying themselves in a way that made all of us elders happy as could be.

Heh. At my sis-in-law's third wedding (first for me in the family), after a few bottles of champagne had made the rounds ... I found myself out on the dance floor with a bevy twenty somethings.

(hey,I was in my late 20s at the time!!!!!)

Woot!

OK. I can't dance. No ifs ands or butttttts about it.

But the champagne not only made me think I could dance -- but was apparently making these young hotties think I could too.

Macarena!!!!

Then mrs hit and run comes out on the dance floor. I,in my emboldened state,begin to dance around her with my arms raised.

I was grooving!

'Til my elbow clocked her right in the incisors.

If you hold a flashlight up to her mouth today you can still see the crack in her front teeth.

I'm ...t h a t... smooth.

narciso

I used Frau's link to garner some details about Dana's curriculum, of which it has to be said 'there is no Dana only Zuul', he uses
Amar, as a primer, in his most conventional course, and we know from his most outing on NPR, that's a dead end. Nonetheless, many of
the other 'credentialed morons' in the 4th Estate, have as much or little understanding.

Frank Rich, liberated from the limitations, of the NY Times column, comes up with a debut in the New York, that would choke
Clhuthu, in it's enormity. (by the way, Rob, that was a Lovecraft reference, right,)just one phrase, 'Obama's austerity'

MarkO

On our way to lunch, I learned that the Cleo, he who abuses the use of anonymity, had been outed and required to shoulder the personal burden of his inanity. Since then, I have read the glee with which this comeuppance was described and employed.

It's one thing to play with anonymity as a means of taking ideas on their own merit, without the weight of certain atuhority that comes with some names. But, when defamation, anarchy, and malice are the products of anonymity, then it should end. For then, it is a form of terrorism without redress. Let this excrescence write under his own name. I await any evidence of courage from him.

Left the horse on the range. Have gun, will travel.

Stephanie

Steyn shoots, scores!

((The media are loyally doing their best for the Flatline Administration by insisting that the dead parrot economy is not deceased but merely resting for an ”unexpectedly” longer period of time than had been expected.))

LUN

centralcal

Captain Hate, sweetheart, you know you are my favorite? Right?

Anyway, I really, really, need to talk to you - privately, if you have a moment.

Could you email me: jangal at earthlink dot net.

Pretty please? (heh, I knew that would get you!)

Sara (Pal2Pal)

C'mon guys, my Mother lived in Chino Hills, but when she first came back to California, she had an apartment in LaVerne for a year before finding a house to buy. One of her close friends was a former president of the Claremont College. I can't recall his name, but I think she told me that he died back in the late '80s or early '90s. The street posted earlier that someone thought looked bad is actually a very pretty street with a tree-lined center divider and neighborhoods of California bungalow Craftsman homes.

Danube of Thought

The joy continues unabated.

One thing I savor particularly: the time will come--I shall choose it--when Dana will be confronted with some of his work product by an interested person--I shall choose him or her--and asked whether he is in fact the author.

I have the proof, and I cherish it. It is exquisite. And it won't be forthcoming until Dana decides either to admit the truth or cover it up. Which path will he choose? I, of course, am quite indifferent.

I am coiled like a cobra or, if you prefer, crouching like a panther. But be assured that I shall strike.

Woot! Woot! Woot!

RichatUF

hummm I'll try this again....

hit-

received and replied.

narciso

I saw that particular bit of palaver from Dana, it includes an apochryphal comment
from Ron Susskind, whose track record has descended with every book he either wrote or ghosted, starting with Paul O'Neil's memoir,
where he tried to misrepresent the list of foreign concessions in Iraq, to the whole Mubtakkar mess, to trying to misrepresent Zubeydah's interrogation take, to accusing
Robert Richer of being accomplish to a forgery, and now apparently if Carle's memoir has any validity, the results of
the Pacha Wazir seizure. Then he moves on
to the now universally 'debunked' Lancet
study, didn't read further if he included
the 'fake' turkey, served to the troops in 2003.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, one tries to 'memory hole' the whole sordid, 14th Amendment gambit:

Contrary to Professor Laurence Tribe’s assertion (Op-Ed, July 8), Secretary Geithner has never argued that the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution allows the President to disregard the statutory debt limit. As Professor Tribe notes, the Constitution explicitly places the borrowing authority with Congress, not the President.

The Secretary has cited the 14th Amendment’s command that “[t]he validity of the public debt of the United States… shall not be questioned” in support of his strong conviction that Congress has an obligation to ensure we are able to honor the obligations of the United States. Like every previous Secretary of the Treasury who has confronted the question, Secretary Geithner has always viewed the debt limit as a binding legal constraint that can only be raised by Congress.

Stephanie

THIS IS NOT A CLEO POST

As they say at Ace's place, "Someone put on her stompy boots." And kicked some ass.

Back in January 2009, as governor of Alaska, I announced: “We also have to be mindful about the effect of the stimulus package on the national debt and the future economic health of the country. We won’t achieve long-term stability if we continue borrowing massive sums from foreign countries and remain dependent on foreign sources of oil and gas.” Then I urged President Obama to veto the stimulus bill because it was loaded with absolutely useless pork and unfunded mandates. Everyone knows my early and vocal opposition to that mother of all unfunded mandates known as Obamacare starting back in August 2009, and many recall my objections to the Federal Reserves’ inflationary games with our currency known as QE2 from November 2010. It’s a matter of public record that I did not go to Harvard Law School, but I can add.
...
We are in desperate need of real leadership, but President Obama’s solution to everything is to grow government by borrowing more money, spending more money, printing more money, and taxing our job creators. He once said that he “believes in American Exceptionalism…just as the Greeks believe in Greek Exceptionalism.” Well, the path he has us on will make us just as “exceptional” as Greece – debt crisis, stagnation, permanent high unemployment, and all.
...
As we approach 2012, there are important lessons we can learn from all of this. First, we should never entrust the White House to a far-left ideologue who has no appreciation or even understanding of the free market and limited government principles that made this country economically strong. Second, the office of the presidency is too important for on-the-job training. It requires a strong chief executive who has been entrusted with real authority in the past and has achieved a proven track record of positive measurable accomplishments. Leaders are expected to give good speeches, but leadership is so much more than oratory. Real leadership requires deeds even more than words. It means taking on the problems no one else wants to tackle. It means providing vision and guidance, inspiring people to action, bringing everyone to the table, and with a servant's heart dedicating oneself to striking agreements that keep faith with our Constitution and with the ordinary citizens who entrusted you with power. It means bucking the status quo, fighting the corrupt powers that be, serving the common good, and leaving the country better than you found it. Most of us don’t see a lot of that real leadership in D.C., and it’s profoundly disappointing.

But let me tell you where real hope lies. It’s not the hopey-changey stuff we heard about in 2008. Real hope comes from realizing how God has blessed our exceptional nation, and then doing something about it. We have been blessed with natural resources, hardworking entrepreneurs, and a Constitution that preserves the greatest form of government ever devised by man. If we develop those natural resources, allow our entrepreneurs to keep and invest more of what they earn, and adhere to the time-tested truths of our Constitution, we will prosper and endure.

But first and foremost we must tackle our debt. We don’t have the luxury of playing politics as usual. We need real leaders who will put aside their own political self-interest to do what is right for the nation. And if they don’t emerge… well, America has a do-over in November 2012.

LUN

Yep... She's running.

JackisBack!

Leared a long time ago I learned from playing golf with TriggerJoe not to mess with USNA-at-Large. DOT bags another one.

narciso

You betcha, Stephanie,

Jane says obamasucks

I love you DOT.

centralcal

Damn it, MarkO - how the hell will I recognize you without the horse? pheh!

DebinNC

"It requires a strong chief executive who has been entrusted with real authority in the past and has achieved a proven track record of positive measurable accomplishments."

Palin is absolutely right about that, which is why I think Perry has a good chance.

JM Hanes

Remind me never to tick you off, DoT!

centralcal

Jane, honey, you cannot push and shove your way to the front of the I love you DoT line! Clarice may let you get away with certain questionable tactics, but not the rest of us!

The back of the line is that way ----->

centralcal

DebinNC: You're my second favorite, right after Captain Hate. Honest.

No, seriously, I really, really need you to email me: jangal at earthlink dot net.

You will be very glad you did (well, I hope you will!).

JM Hanes

"It requires a strong chief executive who has been entrusted with real authority in the past and has achieved a proven track record of positive measurable accomplishments."

That sounds an awful lot like the Governor of Texas to me, and oddly enough, per Politico:

Perry calling Iowa activists as potential donors convene

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Another 7.1 earthquake off Japan with a tsunami warning. ::sigh::

Stephanie

Contrary to the subline at Drudge it looks like Boehner just blinked.

LUN

JM Hanes

The exodus of White House economists is just soooo yesterday:

[T]he core group of techies that launched big initiatives has left the White House over the past six months, raising questions about what will become of the administration’s technology-focused goals.

Asked and answered:

Number of tweets with hashtag #AskObama sent during the course of the prez’s Twitter town hall: About 2500

Number of votes in Hot Air's last Obamateurism of the Week poll: 7,973.

Looks like Obama's not the only guy with a bus.

JM Hanes

I suspect they probably rounded up to that 2,500 too.

centralcal

Okay, Captain Hate, message received, so never mind as Emily Litella would say.

smooches (copyright by Clarice)

Danube of Thought

Hey Dana--

Word of honor: if you'll send me a list of your faculty colleagues, trustees, family members and the like to whom you would prefer I NOT send a detailed summary (with enclosures) of your public behavior, I will honor all requests within reason.

If I receive no such list, I will assume that you have no objection to having each and every one of them get a stunning look into the pitiable emptiness that is your life at age 61.

I make this offer in good faith, and I await your reply.

Woot! Woot! Woot!

caro

Clarice, new MacBook Airs out July 14.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

2T with no tax increases. I'm not sure why this is blinking, but then I try not to pay attention.

Frau  Steingehirn

"It’s a matter of public record that I did not go to Harvard Law School, but I can add."

That's a keeper, that and "a Wise and Frugal Government" quoted here last week.

Sara, LaVerne is a wonderful little town. It is what Claremont used to be before the Dana Wards took over. I've heard the eucalyptus trees planted down the middle and sides of Foothill Blvd. were a gift of Millard Sheets and another artist.

JackisBack!

DoT,

Why screw around. Go for blood. Honor be damned. You think those pukes would honor you different?

Ignatz

--On our way to lunch, I learned that the Cleo, he who abuses the use of anonymity, had been outed and required to shoulder the personal burden of his inanity. Since then, I have read the glee with which this comeuppance was described and employed.--

Somewhere PUK has a very large smile on his face regarding the benighted Septic.
I wish he were here to share it with us.

Stephanie

2T over 10 years plus there are discussions of revenue increases(taxes)... the current one year deficit is, I believe, over 1T alone. $200MM ain't gonna do much. Plus any revenue increases will become part of the base line budget for next year that they will bitch about having been already cut to the bone.

Assholes all of them... do over indeed.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Frau: My Mom lived in the area for 30 years. She was Exec Dir of Spanish Trails Council. When I would visit from back East, she would have me fill in with her bridge club sometimes and all the members lived in and around the Claremont area, plus she would include me sometimes in a play she wanted to see and once in awhile she'd a haul me to a lecture at the college being given by someone she knew. But, most of my knowledge is limited to many multiples of trips to the Montclair Mall during holiday visits. I did get to see the inside of some lovely old homes, however.

narciso

I must be partially psychic among his publications, are a review of Altemeyer,
he of the 'authoritarian personality' meme,
being applied with reckless abandon, to the Tea Party,in addition, there's this scrap of linked wisdom;

http://divergences.bc/article php #? id_article=2/2 &lang=french

Captain Hate

cc, after sending out my last email I retired temporarily for a bit of time for reading the book that narc so nicely rec'd to me and listening to some music that maybe Mel might find melodic enough: "Sex Mob Meets Medeski: Live in Willisau 2006".

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Thanks Stephanie.

narciso

Here's a sample of what kind of fruit a Yale Ph.d, yields:

Out of the ashes of the Washington Consensus, workers in Argentina have forged an alternative model of economic progress that has much to teach the world. [1] After faithfully following World Bank and International Monetary Fund privatization prescriptions, by 2001 Argentina found itself on the brink of a complete economic meltdown. People took to the streets [2] in December banging pots, blocking roads, demanding change, and in a dizzying succession of events, including five presidents in the Casa Rosada over the course of eight days, Argentina moved out of Washington’s orbit on a trajectory that is still taking shape.

Now not surprisingly several details are left out of this narrative, one the provincial governors, took up the slack,
for any shortfall in Federal spending, and too, this was in part the consequences of Greenspan's first aggressive interest rate
spike, exported southward.

Captain Hate

Somewhere PUK has a very large smile on his face regarding the benighted Septic.
I wish he were here to share it with us.

Same with bad, Iggy; this has been a *great* day.

Danube of Thought

So--let's contemplate tomorrow. What say we open with another posting of the lovely wife Julia's pic, then e-mail her with a polite suggestion that she visit this site, take a gander at herself, and then scroll through this thread and savor her loving hubby's handiwork.

Then the two of them can go out to the IHOP in Rancho Cuckamonga and discuss what has become of their lives.

Sound OK? I'm open to suggestions.

cindyk

"Best Day EVER"!

Danube of Thought

What say you, Dana? Don't you think it would be a good idea for you and Julia to discuss all of this over a nice pancake breakfast?

I look forward to setting the table for you tomorrow morning.

And yes, I am positively qyuivering with gloating, triumphant, un-Christian joy.

Strawman Cometh

"I must be partially psychic"
Don't sell yourself short.

narciso

Yes we could include some of his more graphic visual commentary, (I forget what thread that was), but you know of which I refer.

matt

frau,

as a graduate of the local Jr HS, I'd say you've hit it on the head.

Funny thing I saw with Euro lefties when living there was their ability to protest and march and then go home and collect their welfare checks. I think they may have all moved to Greece.

Little known fact these days is the fleecing some of the EC countries are getting from former East Bloc shysters.

When the volcano blew in Iceland a bit back, the Irish government noticed a 30% drop in dole payouts. Same in England. Seems Ryanair and the like were facilitating the ability of grafters to claim doss houses as residences and would fly in once a month for their packets.

Here in California, we have the state legislature refusing to allow the various counties to investigate home caregivers. There have been enough cases of family members passing granny around from grandchild to grandchild to allow suspicion beyond a reasonable doubt that this is a billion dollar plus problem.

When government abnegates its responsibility to account for the people's money responsibly, it has lost the mandate of heaven and the culture is eventually doomed. Then again, the body moronic has been growing so steadily I think it's pretty self evident.

Clarice

Mark O, I'm sure you two had a fabulous time. One of these days when I go to L.A. I will try to meet up with BOTH DoT and MayBee..

Thanks for the tip, Caro.

Melinda Romanoff

matt-

If you look closely enough, the same piece of legislation that barred the investigation of the homeworkers, also, I bet, mandated their membership in the SEIU. Or at least their dues to paid as "In kind members", by the state and billed through the insurer.

Don't laugh, that was some of the language the wrapped in here.

Fees triply hidden.

Rick Ballard

Boehner punctured Dick Obama's Sunday "summons" to the WH. I believe that we'll see the debt limit raised to cover about six months worth of increase. That will put the new discussions concerning another raise right in line with Dick's 3 year job performance evaluation.

I don't believe Dick's gonna get a B+ on that one.

narciso

Who would have thought he was a Wobbly, at least he was a dozen years ago, it's like something out of "Matewan'

http://kuci.org/dtsanf/subversity/pr00129.htm

Agent J. (formally known as "J"..

Matt it did not work.

MarkO

Buenas noches, San Diego. Que cosa.

daddy

I'm jealous.

If I had one chance to be a fly on a wall I think I'd have to have picked todays DoT - MarkO Martini gab fest as just about the bestest JOM blab session ever.

Not taking away from anybody else, but topic wise, Man, that must have been great, great fun!

Chubby

((But let me tell you where real hope lies. It’s not the hopey-changey stuff we heard about in 2008. Real hope comes from realizing how God has blessed our exceptional nation, and then doing something about it--Sarah Palin))

Thank you, Sarah Palin, for having the moral courage to talk about God to a generation that largely thinks talking about God is a moral crime.

When David went up before Goliath he said, “You come against me with sword and spear and javelin, but I come against you in the name of the LORD Almighty..."

When the Founders stood up to King George, they cited Providence, nature's God, and a beneficent creator as the foundation of their righteous cause and indignation.

Without God as foundation and rock, any battles against anarchism amount to nothing more than pi--ng contests.

Chubby

JiB

I heard this beautiful vintage song earlier today and the first thing that came to my mind was JiB

Master Jack - Four Jacks And A Jill
LUN

Written by David Marks (real name: Spiros D Markantonatos) of his experiences as a young man working in the mines, this song went out from South Africa to the world.))

I love this song because while it encourages individual questing and questioning, it does it from a standpoint of sweetness, respectfulness and gratitude, not from the bitter and arrogant standpoint of malicious and destructive envy that is so tediously common today.

Chubby

"Master Jack" lyrics


It's a strange, strange world we live in, Master Jack
You taught me all I know and I'll never look back
It's a very strange world and I thank you, Master Jack

You took a colored ribbon from out of the sky
And taught me how to use it as the years went by
To tie up all your problems and make them look neat
And then to sell them to the people in the street

It's a strange, strange world we live in, Master Jack
You taught me all I know and I'll never look back
It's a very strange world and I thank you, Master Jack

I saw right through the way you started teachin' me now
So some day soon you could get to use me somehow
I thank you very much and though you've been very kind
But I'd better move along before you change my mind

It's a strange, strange world we live in, Master Jack
You know how I feel as if I'll never come back
It's a very strange world and I thank you, Master Jack

You taught me all the things the way you'd like them to be
But I'd like to see if other people agree
It's all very int'resting the way you disguise
But I'd like to see the world through my own eyes

It's a strange, strange world we live in, Master Jack
No hard feelin's if I never come back
You're a very strange man and I thank you, Master Jack

You're a very strange man and I thank you, Master Jack
You're a very strange man aren't you, Master Jack?

Ralph L

The poor thing must be mortified. And what about the Queen!
The Queen's dresses have small weights sewn in the hem. This was reported after Moochelle's skirt was blown up in London. We won't see HM derriere if she lives to be 100.

Would someone please feed Kate?
What are the odds that William would marry someone with eating disorders like his mother? Diana's brother's first wife was also anorexic.

JackisBack!

Chubby,

The irony is that my late sister's name was Jill.

Thanks for those lyrics, plan on sharing with the family today.

American women v. Brazil today in World Cup at 11am on ESPN. Must win. Then its Women's US Open from the Broadmoor and we actually have a few girls in the hunt. Great day to cheer on our young ladies.

centralcal

Guys, being skinny doesn't always mean you have an eating disorder. My weight throughout my teens, 20's, 30's and very early 40's ranged between 101 lbs and 106 lbs. (even having 4 children during that time).

I ate like a truck driver and for several years drank supplements just to maintain that weight. Then, middle age hit and so did 20 lbs more. Small bones and frame and metabolism made me look skinny and sickly and there was nada I could do about it. Maybe that is true for Kate?

Oh, and good morning! Clarice did another fine job on her Pieces today.

Extraneus

Is this the pic you're reacting to, Ralph?

Clarice

Thanks, cc. Narciso, that link doesn't work. I even added an l to the htm at the end and it still didn't work.

Tonto

DoT --

You might want to send that Dana Ward bundle to Bill Keller (Executive Editor at the NYTs for a few more months), too. He went to Pomona and is a trustee of that school. I know the five colleges are separate, but he was the editor of the five-college paper when at Pomona. Plus, Pomona and Pitzer share all the sports teams.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

This was kind of fun. I'm James Madison.


“Which Founder Are You?”

Captain Hate

Mitch McConnell is giving an outstanding interview to Brett Baier on FNS; I hope Boehner sees things as clearly regarding this debt ceiling budget "deal" and what the donks are up to as McConnell does.

Minimalist Poster

James Madison here, too. It was fun.

Extraneus

Great piece, Clarice. Not much humor potential in that topic.

Gmax

Post another picture of Julia? Please dont, I just had breakfast.

Extraneus

Sheesh. Madison.

Is this thing rigged?

Jane says obamasucks

I'm Madison too.

Clearly he was a Jomer

hit and run

JMH:
Number of votes in Hot Air's last Obamateurism of the Week poll: 7,973.

Hey,you know what I think's gonna be fun? Tomorrow's Obamateurism of the Day.


clarice:
I will try to meet up with BOTH DoT and MayBee..

How fun would it be to be there in person to celebrate MayBee's birthday!

cindyk

Ditto, Madison?!! Even fudged a couple answers.

Chubby

George Washington.

Clarice

Madison here , too.

Too much fun to even contemplate, Hit.

jimmyk

I'm Madison, too. There seems to be a pattern...

Ranger

Madison here too...

centralcal

Good grief, I thought you all must surely be kidding! But, nah - I am Madison, also.

kave

Well mine came up George Mason, so I guess I am not the typical JOMmer

hit and run

Charles Pinckney!

"Self-confident, vain and courtly."

He tried to fool people into thinking he has submitted a draft that was the basis of the Constitution.

That's me!

Threadkiller

--"If I had one chance to be a fly on a wall I think I'd have to have picked todays DoT - MarkO Martini gab fest as just about the bestest JOM blab session ever."--

I Googled their conversation, Daddy. It was mostly about citizenship. I am sure we will see an apology posted soon.

:-)

Threadkiller

Ben Franklin!

I was on the fence but now I believe this is truly a quote of Franklin's:

“Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.”

What a guy.

sbw

I see no reason to pursue Cleo. He has been forced to look into a mirror to see that every construct created to provide form and meaning to life was hollow.

He made himself forever an outsider because an "education" in political science was not enough for him to see that honesty dealing with others is essential to creating society.

Leave him alone with himself. To have failed at life and not to learn from the experience is enough punishment.

sbw

Sigh. Another James Madison.

DGS

Is this thing fixed? - Madison

Barbara Lurking

Roger Sherman?????

rse

Madison.

This place itself represents a repudiation of the theories Ward pushes in an attempt to poison and subordinate the next generation.

We all believe in the power of abstract ideas and the individual or we wouldn't chat with strangers daily for years at a time.

We frequently do not know the gender or race or ethnicity or occupation (except we lawyers leave telltale signs) or sexual preference or drink preference (except hit and dot). All those aspects that Ward asserts define and restrict our ideas do not matter here. This site is thus the embodiment of the eternal truth that they really do not matter anywhere.

The idea that they do matter-that tragic ideology that protects its nonsensical assertions by trying to intellectually disable all potential opponents- is really just an excuse mediocre people use to get and keep money and power they could not or would not get otherwise.

Ward did what too many mediocre people with a smidgen of power do. Try to destroy those they are unable to imitate. Inflict gratuitous emotional pain anonymously because he thought he could.

Off the soapbox now but I have to read the nonsense of many of these profs as I track their toxic ideas. Too many people who are malevolent and mediocre are attracted to education. We have to start recognizing both the poison they are marketing and the toxins still residing inside these professors, principals, administrators, and others seeking to destroy the system they could not compete in. And children's futures.

Threadkiller

I figured out the Madison attraction around here.

"When we are considering the advantages that may result from an easy mode of naturalization, we ought also to consider the cautions necessary to guard against abuse. It is no doubt very desirable that we should hold out as many inducements as possible for the worthy part of mankind to come and settle amongst us, and throw their fortunes into a common lot with ours. But why is this desirable? Not merely to swell the catalogue of people. No, sir, it is to increase the wealth and strength of the community; and those who acquire the rights of citizenship, without adding to the strength or wealth of the community are not the people we are in want of."

James Madison on Rule of Naturalization, 1st Congress, Feb. 3, 1790.

How in the world could anyone believe "anchor babies" was a concept of the founders?

This plagues your analytical minds, so you were drawn to Madison.

JM Hanes

kave:

You should definitely stick around, and opine freely in the threads, because we gotta a whole lotta Madison going on!

Including me. Who might I have been, if the options had included more none/all-of-the-above? I did go through the test another time picking answers that were the least like me. I'm 66.6% happy to report that I'm not the brilliant, arrogant and combative Gouvernor Morris.

Fun find, Sara -- and, as it turns out, collectively revealing, don't you think? I'm making a list of the group results, which should probably tell you something.....

Agent J. (formally known as "J"..

Ben Franklin. well I am as old as he.

Threadkiller

Well said rse. Once again, I did not refresh before I posted. I would not have laid one of my usual turds if I knew the thread could have closed with your thoughts.

Melinda Romanoff

Madison, hmph.

I always thought I more like the other guy, on the other hill in Va.

JM Hanes

Ha! TK. I presume you ticked off the synthesizing-new/old-info box?

As an info seeker myself, I ran across an item pointing out that in the original version of the Bill of Rights, the 1st Amendment actually occupied spot #3. It was preceded by amendments on apportionment and congressional pay raises!

Chubby

Would one of the Madisons please type in the blurb of keypoints that described him?


Could one of the Franklins please do the same?

tia


hit and run

Not a few questions where None of the Above would have been my answer,if available.

Forced to choose a next best option really is not an option,when none apply.

But I soldiered on nonetheless.

Would be fun if they published a percentage of overall respondents and who they were most like.

I'm thinking there are few fellow Pickneys out there -- not just at JOM,but worldwide. We should start a club.

Melinda Romanoff

"scholarly", already forgot the other two.

DebinNC

My "Madison" blurb said shy, diligent, and one more I can't remember. Pretty accurate.
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Extremely insightful post above, rse.

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