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July 31, 2011

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Rick Ballard

SWarren,

CBO baseline projections show discretionary spending growing at 1.7% per annum over the next 10 years while mandatory is projected to grow at a 5.2% rate. Revenue is projected to grow by 7.8% but that's based upon the Bush tax cuts being allowed to expire.

CBO projections are based upon a blend of wildly optimistic science fiction and pure fantasy very sophisticated economic and should be taken with a small salt minejudged by their past performance in predicting outcomes.

SWarren

Rick,
I'm listening to Bill Cunningham show. He's specifically referring to built-in baseline 8% increases to department budgets across the government. Maybe that's the inflation adjustments? He then had Congresswoman Jean Schmidt on the phone and she said the same thing. A lot of reps saying they have to read the Bill first but are leaning to vote against.

narciso

That's what I've been hearing, from Rush, among others, the 800 billion in the stimulus
seems to be rolled over, year to year, which can't be right.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Senator Durbin says the debt agreement is "the final interment of John Maynard Keynes."

narciso

The proper rejoinder to Durwood, as I dubbed him, is 'you know nothing of my work'

SWarren

Thanks Rick. Its probably some hair-on-fire speculation. Cunningham tends to get overly ranting on topics which I find annoying but my hubby loves the guy. We shall see.
Sorry, I was typing while you were posting.

Agent J. (formally known as "J"..

DOT-it has been almost 20 years since I was working within a Federal Building, I really do not think that overall the Federal Government has changed that much..I could walk into any Agency, Department or any office and find 25% of the employees that would be categorized as non-essential, i.e. not needed for day to day operations. When I left they were pushing to cut employees and hire contractors..That washes back and forth with time..they first prove that a contractor can do it less expensive, then in a few years we can prove the opposite..

Many of you that have spent your working life within the privet sector, can not comprehend what happens within the Government section..Yes all business have bureaucrats, but not like the Government. Imagine if you will the worst case, well it is worse then that..

I spent the last five years as an Administrative Auditor and Evaluator, worked out of FAA/DC Head Quarters, (refused to move to DC., worked out of KC, MO FAA Regional Office)..I wished I was wordsmith enough, I would love to write some of this stuff down, now that the Statue of Limitations has expired.. and I will guarantee, it has not changed.

narciso

OT, Mark Judge, using his own experience as an illustration, has an interesting project, underway;

http://www.dailycaller.com/2011/07/31/
mainstream-blackballing-how-deep-and-far-
back-does-it-go

SWarren

Just going back over the previous comments.

Given enough time I could prove anything and while you were trying to find out what I was doing I could spend a few 100 thousand.

Heh, Agent J.
Its the government after all, I imagine there just might be some of that going on.

SWarren

Agent J.
Did you happen to know a fellow named Guth?

Dave (in MA)

Just heard a caller to Steve LeVeille calling for all Tea Party people in Congress to be killed, so maybe the deal is good.

Charlie (Colorado)

If X number of federal workers, at great expense, are doing jobs that are not at all helpful, and may very well be harmful, to the general interest, then I am altogether unpersuaded by the argument that we have to keep paying them to do those jobs because otherwise they would be unemployed.

Well, keep thinking it through, you'll get it.

The point isn't that three million people doing unproductive government work is good: if it were me I'd cut the Federal Government down to the DoD, the Patent office, and a receptionist at State. The point is that a transition from (say) 14 million unemployed to 17 million unemployed, plus cutting off expected income from however many of that 14 million are getting unemployment, would itself be a massive impact. I've used the metaphor before of getting from the Observation Deck at the Empire State Building to ground level. You can do it by elevator, or you can jump. Either one has the result of getting you to ground level, and jumping is way faster -- but a lot more unpleasant.

And that's just the economic impact. What would the political impact be of cutting off one person in twenty from their current livelihood?

Charlie (Colorado)

I agree, and the proposition the Chaco argued should be laughed at is no laughing matter. The issue isn't raising the debt from 98% of GDP to 100%. It's the signal that would send about the inability to solve the problem of runaway spending. That is a big deal, and bigger than the "cost" of laying off government workers, which in fact would send the opposite signal.

It'd be a good argument, except "That is a big deal, and bigger than the "cost" of laying off government workers" is utterly wrong.

C'mon, Jimmy, you know better than that. What would the effect on the economy be of roughly 15 million people losing their income overnight with no replacement? And that's assuming the silly SOB didn't figure out a way to withhold Social Security checks.

SWarren

Heh,
This from Free Republic:

Obama threw a major [bleep]-fit late this afternoon
KMJ Radio Fresno via Facebook [July 30, 2011] Ray Appleton
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2011 12:48:54 AM by TenthAmendmentChampion
Edited on Monday, August 01, 2011 12:53:31 AM by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

Have it on solid authority that Obama threw a major [bleep]-fit late this afternoon, eastern time, on whatever this is he agreed to as his back was against the wall because the speaker would not back down and apparently Reid and the Veep told the Prez it was over and to get over it. Developing. I should be able to confirm with sources in a few hours or by tomorrow's show.

Ignatz

--plus cutting off expected income from however many of that 14 million are getting unemployment, would itself be a massive impact--

Those extended benefits sure have turbocharged the economy so far.
Dick Durbin says Keynes is dead. Let him RIP already.

Charlie (Colorado)

Narciso:
http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/31/mainstream-media-blackballing-how-deep-and-far-back-does-it-go/

It's like this:
(1) Look in the goddamn address bar of your browser.
(2) If you see a character there, copy it somehow. If you can't figure out copy and paste, which I've taught six year olds to manage, then retype it if you must, but retype all the little letters that are there. All of them. Every one. Including the '/' you left off the end of the Daily Caller address.
(3) then look at what you typed. If you see any letters there that aren't in the address bar -- like the space you threw in between '31/' and 'mainstream' -- take them out.
(4) Then just for grins, try the preview button; if you see a link in the preview, try it. Did it work? Great. If it didn't work, refer back to steps (1)-(3).

Agent J. (formally known as "J"..

Did you happen to know a fellow named Guth?

Need a little more info, it has been 20 years, but at one time I knew everyone in the Regional Office (500+) and a lot of employees in the field..it does not jump out at me..I was in a position where it helped if I knew everyone..When you are in charge of communications, office telephones, the old dial ones, hard wired, you know peoples names..

Charlie (Colorado)

Dick Durbin says Keynes is dead. Let him RIP already.

For Gods' sakes, Ignatz, try to think.

Here we are, it's August 3. One person in about 20 in the US is suddenly destitute; no income, no job. Do they say "yay, Keynes is dead"? Or do they say -- in a loud, high-pitched voice with a tinge of hysteria -- "what do you mean I can't pay my rent and feed the kids?"

Now say it continues for any significant length of time. You remember the Tea Party rallies? Let's have, oh, rallies ten times that size, with unions trucking in goons and the MSM running stories about little LaWanda who won't have her chemotherapy because Daddy lost his job as a 3rd assistant deputy manager at a Department of Agriculture Field Office.

Then go read up about how Juan Domingo Perón took over in Argentina.

Stephanie

The solution to the employment of federal workers is attrition. 10 years of hiring freezes and that should cure alot of it. The boomers are due to retire over the next what? ten years... couple the hiring freeze to the end of boomers retiring. Couple that with a mandatory reduction of political appointees inside the beltway of say 25%. Let the democrat party employ their bundlers and grunts. OH, and outlaw all 'czars.' Permanently.

Threadkiller

The newly unemployed may not be so hip, but I believe the existing group of unemployed will be singing "yay, Keynes is dead".

Anyone watching Fox? A senator from Wyoming, I think, just hit the nail on the head.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Oh this is classic.

Via US News and World Report and Free Republic

As the negotiations and the vote-getting on raising the debt ceiling have dragged on these last two weeks, it’s became clear that President Obama really is not a good negotiator. Several times, just as a deal seemed imminent, the discussions have collapsed—and very publicly. There were leaks from the administration, he-said-she-said accounts from both sides, angry White House press conferences—just a “parade of horribles,” as lawyers would call it. The result is a rising tide of public disgust and frustration. Not only has he lost bipartisan support in both the House or the Senate, his lack of ability to persuade people to join his cause has cost President Obama the vital center of the electorate.

[...]

Maybe it’s because Hillary Clinton’s “three in the morning” ad was right—maybe he just doesn’t have the experience to be president. Of the top 100 jobs that would qualify one to be president, being a law professor isn’t one of them. A plumber would be better qualified than a law professor. Seriously—a plumber is a problem solver who has to keep customers happy. A used car salesman knows how to close a deal. A UPS deliveryman knows how to meet a deadline. A diplomat knows how to be, well, diplomatic. Meaning he doesn’t lecture people about “eating their peas” when he needs them to jump on board.

Publius from Idaho

Tonto,

I suggest "Life on the Plantation in the 21st Century".

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Here is what he objects to (if calling someone an asshole is mere objection):

JM Hanes

Sara:

The schadenfreude is strong! Here's a direct link to the US News report:

Debt Crisis Shows Obama Lacks Presidential Skills

Sara (Pal2Pal)

I hope Joe is laughing, JMH. I laughed out loud when I read it.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Wasn't it US News that spawned Gergen?

Sara (Pal2Pal)

I am listening to CSPAN "After Words" and the author is Joby Warrick, "Triple Agent." The book is about a well-educated and very Westernized man of Afghanistan tribal origin who managed to thoroughly convince the CIA he was reliably working for them. However, he was really a triple agent and ultimately blew himself up when he bombed the inner sanctum of the Green Zone in Iraq including many soldiers in the mess tent as well as several CIA agents. The interview was excellent and the book sounds extremely well researched.

Warrick just said that we can get the tribal leaders in the hinterlands of Afghanistan to cooperate by providing them with Viagra. For some reason, I find this seriously hilarious. Brilliant in its simplicity. The person responsible for the idea deserves a medal.

Janet

Tonto -
"Whatever Happened to Content of Character?"

love this from Not_Bubarooni -

One of those Tea Party freshmen should walk up to a microphone, reject that idea outta hand and then say 'last november, the american people elected a debt and deficit cutting commision and i'm one of the members of that commission. i do not answer to anyone in the white house or the senate. i answer to the constituents who sent me here and i intend to keep their faith.'

Janet

She won't pass the bill to find out what's in it? Bless her heart.

Hahaha, Stephanie!

Captain Hate

Check out this thread @ AoS regarding two of the prime NBC dimwits: http://minx.cc/?post=319499

Love the comments in there pointing out how the kostards are melting down and demand a primary challenge for King Putt. Maybe they can rerun 1980 and run Patches Kennedy. Just think of the voice from Hell: Errr a Patches, I'm err a depending errr (damn it's hot in here) on errr a you son (can somebody get me a scotch and water)?

Janet

Really good thread...

That MSM blackballing project looks interesting.

Janet

from Captain's link -
"...but let's focus on the last 2 paragraphs. Tea Party Congressmen refuse to take pork - Brian and Andrea are dismayed. I Don't Have To Say Anything Else."

God bless the Tea Parties!!!

BR

Sara, thanks for the good news from Syria!

Narciso and JMH, Aurelio Zen mysteries - yes! Brilliant scripts, great scenery, Rufus Sewell and cast - great, relaxed acting.

First saw him in "Dangerous Beauty," also an Italian setting. He must have some Italian blood, actually looks like Machiavelli, but a lot handsomer.

I've only seen 2 so far, but loved the twist in both plots where Zen seems to be between a rock and a hard spot, but comes out shining.

And the standing up (or lying down) for sexual rights in the office was hilarious.

Extraneus

Dr. King's Nightmare

Barbara Lurking

Stuck on the Bridge Over the Racial Divide

Skin Tone: How Race Colors the Conversation

Porchlight

Meaning he doesn’t lecture people about “eating their peas” when he needs them to jump on board.

Just tumbling to that, are they. He's been doing it for years.

Janet

The New Underground Railroad to the Freedom of Thought

Janet

This is too funny - via Instapundit

AM I THE ONLY PERSON ON THE PLANET WHO DIDN’T GET GUNS FROM THE ATF? The t-shirt.

sbw

ChaCo: Ever hear the story about why the muleskinner carried a two-by-four?

Yeah, but you keep hitting bystanders on the backswing.

Jack is Back!

Just heard Trump say he thinks Barry may have an unintended win but that Boehner demonstrated strong, hard working leadership. I think this is what we call "reverse psychology" and then Trump invokes the possibility of a primary challenge to Barry. But he is right about one thing - what you are seeing is the result of the Tea Party making it an issue and finally forcing DC to look at the dark side of the moon.

Janet

There could be a Pigford t-shirt too...

AM I THE ONLY PERSON ON THE PLANET WHO DIDN'T GET PIGFORD MONEY? I THOUGHT ABOUT BEING A FARMER TOO!

pagar

"I can't accept that only the Dems are evil and corrupt."

A political party that is responsible for the deaths of 53 million plus inconvenient Americans. A political party that has John Kerry, (the hero of the North Vietnamese Military efforts to defeat the US an their Allies) as a Senator and Presidential candidate.
A political party that has a US senator ( of the Senate Intel Committee) flying to Syria to make sure the Syrian leadership knows what US President Bush plans to do in Iraq.
A political party that: "Another KGB report to their bosses revealed that on March 5, 1980, John Tunney met with the KGB in Moscow on behalf of Sen. Kennedy. Tunney expressed Kennedy's opinion that "nonsense about 'the Soviet military threat' and Soviet ambitions for military expansion in the Persian Gulf. . .was being fueled by [President Jimmy] Carter, [National Security Advisor Zbigniew] Brzezinski, the Pentagon and the military industrial complex.". . .

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1724508/posts

That there are Americans who still believe in this group is simply amazing.

Millions more examples exist.

jimmyk

Here we are, it's August 3. One person in about 20 in the US is suddenly destitute; no income, no job. Do they say "yay, Keynes is dead"? Or do they say -- in a loud, high-pitched voice with a tinge of hysteria -- "what do you mean I can't pay my rent and feed the kids?"

OMG, talk about melodrama. You're talking about middle and upper middle class people, many making six-figure incomes, missing a paycheck or two and they "can't pay [the] rent and feed the kids"? And then they're going to go all Peron on us? This is exactly the European mindset that we need to massively redistribute income to keep the masses happy. That worked out well, didn't it?

You're worried about 1 in 20 becoming unemployed, when that same amount or more became unemployed over the last two years. Somehow I missed the Peronist revolution that resulted from that. In the meantime, it's not just that fixing the fiscal mess will help the currently unemployed, but shrinking government will leave the rest of us non-government employees (and our employers) with more, and help keep us employed and prosperous. Or did you think all those dollars going to pay government employees grow on trees?

rse

narciso-

To the extent that ARRA involved transferring federal dollars to state and local governments, there were maintenance of effort provisions that attempted to bind those governments to continue such jumped up spending levels going forward in future budgets. It is especially a problem in education.

On the issue of presumed increases, it sounds much like a system used in education and other areas of government spending called PPBS-program planning budget system. It basically assures that bureaucracy always expands once created.

LUN is the Melanie Philips essay on Norway and the two-faced reaction of the Left to acts of mass terror. I linked it on the other thread as well.

Jack is Back!

narciso,

Roger Stone has endorsed Harrington. Did it without getting any ashes on his white suit.

Ignatz

--For Gods' sakes, Ignatz, try to think.--

I see at least three grammatical and theological errors in one short sentence by a Buddhist lecturing others to think.

--Then go read up about how Juan Domingo Perón took over in Argentina.--

Peron? Really? How did we avoid Hillary as Eva in 1995? There should be a Godwin's Law for Peron references. Especially when discussing something like a few government goldbricks missing a paycheck or two.
This argument by reductio ad hysterium is the same thing you employed in 2008 justifying every form of Federal intervention in the markets lest an economic cataclysm of unimaginable proportions descend.
It's not credible and you provide nothing to back it up other than appealing to your own authority, which is negligible on economic matters.

sbw

I don't know who wrote, "I can't accept that only the Dems are evil and corrupt."

but that represents a supreme case of denial because if one cares about the integrity of the Democrat Party, then what matters is calling a halt to where "Dems are evil and corrupt."

boris

"Melanie Philips essay on Norway"

I read that but have a slightly different take on the incident. Melanie compares Breivik to Stalin and Hitler with their "secular based" world tyranny goals. She says the Islamofascists are different with "religion based" world tyranny goals. She also asserts that Breivik was psychotic or psycopathic.

Okay ... maybe.

I would tend to compare Breivik's action to Muslim honor killing daughters and sisters who betray the culture. Not crazy. Different from terrorism. Seems like a better fit to the victimology.

Captain Hate

I see at least three grammatical and theological errors in one short sentence by a Buddhist lecturing others to think.

Lolz; it read like it was written from a polytheist perspective.

boris

I don't know who wrote, "I can't accept that only the Dems are evil and corrupt."

That was BF (cleo) who then claimed it's bipartisan. But it was not long ago that BF also dropped the mask for a comment saying we who put "property over people" are vile and corrupt. So IMO the bipartisan comment is a put on for the sake of faux civility.

BF lost it for a bit and also called Jane (IIRC) a "see you and tea".

rse

boris-

I now have a different take on Breivik than I did an hour ago. I was over at the Augean Stables blog where I had never been and read something Breivik wrote about the media and education and how they had tried to indoctrinate the brain into misperceiving reality.

I cannot really discuss why that statement was so important to me but it reminded me of research I had but had not previously dwelt on. Breivik is certainly not alone in a psychopathic response to such ed manipulation. Especially when it occurs in elementary and middle school.

boris

Dr Sanity has some posts on her blog about the ability of pathologic indoctrination to produce psychotic behavior.

sbw

Boris, that explains why I didn't see the comment. Narcisolator.

cathyf
What exactly is the apocalypse that follows when non-essential parts of the government are shut down?
Well, given the fact that (if the elected and non-elected government officials have any choice in the matter) the non-essential parts of the government get shut down last, yeah, that would be an apocalypse.
cathyf
I read somewhere last night that Reid was trying to insert a 'deemed passed' provision for the remainder of the outstanding budgetary issues. Someone better check the marked up bill with a fine tooth comb before they bring it to the floor of either house...
Hey, there's a thought -- could we repeal Obamacare in a one sentence "deemed passed" on page 1273 of a 1581-page bill?
PD

And that's just the economic impact. What would the political impact be of cutting off one person in twenty from their current livelihood?

It might get them to vote.

PD

Warrick just said that we can get the tribal leaders in the hinterlands of Afghanistan to cooperate by providing them with Viagra. For some reason, I find this seriously hilarious. Brilliant in its simplicity.

They'll all be out of action suffering from 4-hour erections!

Extraneus

Rasmussen:

30% Say Obama Too Confrontational, Highest Since Health Care Debate

macphisto

"All in his purple SEIU "I have protected you" power tie."

one thing that i've noticed lately is that it drives Leftists CRAZY when people outside of their circles are able to read their symbolism and hierarchy. recently i had someone on one of the forums i frequent go off on me because i referred to the Mayor of London as "Red Ken" and "a socialist." i then pointed out that the Guardian and his co-ideologues used the former sobriquet as a term of enderament, and that Livingstone was known for frequenting international Socialist conferences where people stood around waving red flags and singing the "Internationale." but i'm not supposed to notice LOL? it drives them nuts when they realize their secret love is no secret any more.

Ben Franklin

"Look in the goddamn address bar of your browser."

You've lost him already, chaco...

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