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August 01, 2011

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Thomas Collins

I understand the frustration with McCain. But if McCain were POTUS, we wouldn't have shafted Poland and the Czech Republic on the missile shield, if there was a Porkulus bill, less money would have gone to bail out blue state politicians, we would have had a POTUS who in his campaign pushed market oriented health reforms, and Palin would have proven to be a Vice-POTUS of whom we could have been proud. That would have been enough for me, given the choices at the top in 2008.

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Ignatz

Cathyf, according to this Jed Babbin piece at AmSpec the deal is for $2.4Trillion from now until next Nov in three tranches.
Unless there is a good sized recession before then I don't see how even these clowns can blow that much that soon.
To do so would imply deficits averaging over $1.9 trillion at an annualized rate.

MayBee

I'm reading over at Political Punch some of the details of this deal. The WH insists this super committee will also be able to force tax reform (what they call increasing tax revenues).

Why should the House GOP agree to this? They've already passed a budget. They've already addressed this problem.

MayBee

And it just gets Obama off the hook. He doesn't have to devise a tax reform plan- the Super Committee will. He doesn't have to decide specific cuts. The Super Committee will.

This just leaves something for Obama to sign and complain about (like his tax rates that he still calls the Bush tax cuts), or not sign and complain about.

SWarren

I really don't want to see this pass.

The Hill is posting a continuously updated Whip Count for the vote today. LUN

centralcal

When Marco Rubio said he was voting "no" this morning, that did it for me. I hope the whole thing goes down in flames!

MayBee

Mel- MA would be a good place for me to run for office, because they seem not to mind a candidate with a history of tasteful nudes.

Chubby

((And I can remember back to Johnson.))

I first read that as "Jackson" ;)

jimmyk

I'm still forming an opinion, but it's the nature of true compromise (as opposed to the phony kind Obozo talks about) that no one is very happy with it. The key thing is to do nothing that jeopardizes a Republican sweep in 2012.

Porchlight

The key thing is to do nothing that jeopardizes a Republican sweep in 2012.

Lotta conservatives very, very angry today. That worries me, I admit.

Charlie (Colorado)

Let's build supersonic choo-choos instead!

let's not build them and count it as a spending cut.

MayBee

I agree, JimmyK. I'm just not seeing what the house has to gain from this Super Committee. They've already dealt with this. The Committee would just be giving cover to Dem Senate and Dem President who can't seem to get anything done.

Charlie (Colorado)

Unless there is a good sized recession before then I don't see how even these clowns can blow that much that soon.

Oh ye of little faith.

MayBee

Why not do this very radical thing:

Let the Senate pass a budget in October 2011.

Then the Senate and the House can get together and negotiate a bill from the two budgets they'd each passed.

Then both houses can vote on that bill and the president can sign or veto.

Is that crazy?

Jane

Maybee,

I have a fabulous guest room, you can stay here while you run.


Is everyone in the place now googling "Maybee" and "tasteful nudes"?

Extraneus

Angry conservatives haven't been such a bad thing lately.

MayBee

We can call the Conference Committee the Super Committee if they prefer that name.

MayBee

How about this: The House passes a "compromise" saying that if the Senate doesn't pass a budget by October 2011, the house budget goes into effect by default.

Jack is Back!

According to Rush, The WH website is ebullient about the deal and that should give anyone pause as to the efficacy of this "satan sandwich". From my read it is missing a truly tough and hard to run-around enforcement mechanism. Plus when this year alone we are generating only 50% of the revenue we are spending - it won't take long for it to sink in that all we have done is moved one particle of sand off the beach. Status quo upsized on spending and downsized on deficit reduction. I am pessimistic that Boehner can convince the TP Freshmen to go along with this deal at all.

Party on - like its 1934!

Jack is Back!

Mel,

You mean Dan Snyder didn't even try?

(Another) squaredance (FKA Another Barbara)

Hey, what happened? I peeked in here a couple of hours ago and nearly everyone was ecstatic about the deal, saying that "Bammy" is doomed, it ensures big R wins coming, etc. ChaCo prescribed Prozac for squaredance because he was not properly enthusiastic.

Back now and suddenly the mood has changed or at least is changing. Should Aricept be on our Rx list too?

I'm gonna go for the Prozac.

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vnjagvet

There is a lot of very negative rhetoric coming from both sides of the aisle. I don't envy the whips in either party. I suspect there is a lot of pressure from the WH on Pelosi to get the prog troops in line.

Pubs blaming Boehner is counterproductive to their long term strategic interests. Ryan and Cantor's support of this bill should satisfy most of the deficit hawks. However Boehner is viewed, Ryan and Cantor's deficit bona fides seem to me unquestionable. Surely the Tea Party conference can't credibly question their deficit motives can they? If it weren't for those two, we wouldn't have had the success we have had in turning the ship.

I am inclined to support anything Ryan and Cantor support.

MayBee

I'll support it only if Ryan and Cantor are on the Super Duper Committee.

Captain Hate

Allen West supports it; anybody want to question his conservative bona fides to his face? I'd pay money to see squaredance do it.

(Another) squaredance (FKA Another Barbara)

Allen West supports it; anybody want to question his conservative bona fides to his face?

He voted for the Pigford settlement.

Jane

I wonder if the super duper committee can dismantle Obamacare.

centralcal

I love Allen West, Captain. And, I think he sees this "militarily" - picking his battles carefully. However, I still am not convinced we need to make this deal and still lean toward the no side with Rubio.

centralcal

I love media bias in action . . . at today's W.H. press briefing with J. Carney:

CBS' White House correspondent Norah O'Donnell: "You gave them everything they wanted and we got nothing!"

Captain Hate

I wonder if the super duper committee can dismantle Obamacare.

That is really the key question because I don't see how you can address a deficit without mentioning that monster. I think that might be the poison pill for the donkeycrats in this.

cc, we can agree to disagree on this one.

Danube of Thought

even Isaac Newton got a bit daffy in his later years

Among many other weirditudes, the guy spent a good part of his life as an alchemist, trying to convert lead into gold.

Boatbuilder

TM--Building roads that the country needs is a good thing, and the duty and responsibility of government. Building roads as stimulus is simply digging holes.

If government spending really worked as stimulus our economy should be booming like nothing the world has ever seen. It doesn't and it ain't.

centralcal

Well - re: above on Norah O'Donnell, Tapper has chivalrously ridden in to her defense calling the quotes scurrilous and false.

Here is what HE CLAIMS she actually said:

What @NorahODonnell actually said:"But you have Democrats saying 'He gave them everything they wanted and we got nothing'"

Captain Hate

Wasn't alchemy a fairly normal pursuit of the scientific people to dabble in during that era, DoT?

Captain Hate

Btw, Tammy Bruce is against the deal, in case anybody believes that I slavishly adhere to everything she says.

Dave (in MA)

Tapper is actually correct. The clip can be found here.

Extraneus

Wasn't alchemy a fairly normal pursuit of the scientific people to dabble in during that era, DoT?

They learned quite a lot in that pursuit, too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alchemy#Relation_to_the_science_of_chemistry

PD

If we call it the Sooper Genius Committee, everyone can get behind it.

Barbara
When Marco Rubio said he was voting "no" this morning, that did it for me. I hope the whole thing goes down in flames!

Me too, centralcal. This last minute desperation legislation must stop. It's no way to govern, but seems to be becoming the norm under Obama. I believe that this was discussed on the Sunday thread last night, and the conclusion was that it has been part of the administration's plan all along to delay matters and force votes without the appropriate discussion, hearings and advanced review of proposed legislation.

This is madness.

centralcal

I know, Barbara, we (the public, the media, the pundits, the lawmakers) seem to madly careen from one "crisis" to another in fairly shorter order. The sky is falling and the world as we know it is coming to an end unless we vote in the middle of the night, at the very last minute, for mushy, murky, muddled compromises. Oh, and then find out how "screwed" we were.

Tired of it. The world goes on - the only crisis is the man sitting in the White House and that will only be allayed by removing him - either through vote or impeachment.

Jane

WEll if he keeps this up he will be impeached by his own side.

matt

Speaking of alchemists and Newton, I would highly recommend the Baroque Cycle trilogy by Neil Stephenson.

Dense, incredibly engaging with plot threads to warm the heart of any JOM'er. Monetary policy, intrigue, sex, the great kingdoms of Europe, knavery, heroism and history oozing from its pores.

Cryptonimicron is another masterpiece.

jimmyk

Then both houses can vote on that bill and the president can sign or veto.

Is that crazy?

Heh, MayBee. But what do you do about the debt ceiling right now? A three-month increase to get them through October?

Ignatz

For those who would reject this deal, what is the alternative?
Are Harry and Barry suddenly going to agree to the total gutting of the Great Society on their watch? It would be quite desirable but it is also after all a fantasy.
If they don't, and that isn't much of an if, what is the end game?
The essential problem is that so much of the government is now funded by debt that, while SS and Medicare and the debt can be serviced it's unclear how much else can.
Should the Repubs take a small win that sets up 2012 nicely and toss it in the forlorn hope they won't be blamed when VA hospitals and National Parks close up shop and heaven help us a plane crashes at some lightly manned ATC site or some nut gets by an understaffed TSA position?
This insane spending took 80 years to develop and while we don't have 80 years to unwind it, neither can it be accomplished in 8 months, especially when the architects and guardians of it still wield 66% of the power.

MayBee

Heh, MayBee. But what do you do about the debt ceiling right now? A three-month increase to get them through October?

How about it? And then it can be tied to the budget.

rse

matt- I enjoyed cryptonimicon. I believe DOT is a fan as well.

cathyf

Porch, as long as the anger is channeled as, "If this is as good as we can get today, then we have to keep the House and take the Senate and the White House in 2012."

These guys are making it REALLY clear that they don't like this at all, and I hope that this is about keeping the fires stoked for the next 15 months...

Captain Hate

Btw, I don't think there's anything wrong with us not agreeing on the merits of the debt bill; in addition to correcting the trolls' garbage about us marching in lockstep (like anybody cares what they think anyway) I think it just points to the uncertainty that exists between what is necessary versus what is possible. I'd be kind of disappointed if we all agreed on something as variable as that.

jimmyk

Wasn't alchemy a fairly normal pursuit of the scientific people to dabble in during that era, DoT?

Newton was not your "normal" everyday scientist either, of course, but I'm willing to confine "daffy" to hindsight (both for Keynes and Newton). But in terms of actual accomplishment, Newton was basically done with scientific work by age 50.

Extraneus

I like the "We'll approve a clean, 3-month debt limit increase while the Senate works pass a budget. If they can't do that, we'll be back in 3 months to ask why not" plan.

bgates

Is that crazy?

It sounds just like the way federal spending was managed during slavery, MayBee. Isn't your call for a return to an orderly budgeting process just a dog whistle for slavery?

+1 on Cryptonomicon, as you might expect from a person who puts things like "+1" in blog comments.

Charlie (Colorado)

The WH website is ebullient about the deal and that should give anyone pause as to the efficacy of this "satan sandwich"

As I recall, my prediction was that O would contribute nothing to the final deal and then announce it as a big win, all due to him.

When did we start taking anything they say seriously?

Charlie (Colorado)

ChaCo prescribed Prozac for squaredance because he was not properly enthusiastic.

Well, no, it was the black despair and feelings of helplessness.

MayBee

Ha ha ha ha bgates.

Appalled

It's odd. I shuttle between this site and a Atlanta Braves website sometimes. This weekend, the mood swings between despair, and conspiracy theories to rueful happiness regarding deals was almost frighteningly similar. I will admit, from what I can tell, is that Frank Wren may have done a little better with his drop dead deadline than Boehner, but he has to do a lot to make up for McLouth and Kawakami. (Note -- that was inside baseball -- literally)

WarEagle

Boehner obviously never wanted any real spending cuts in this bill. He never wanted any real cuts in the previous bill either. There have been virtually no actual spending cuts in any of the last several bills he has pushed through the house.

He doesn't want to cut spending. It could not be more obvious. The only alternative is that he is the stupidest man in Congress since Joe Biden left.

MayBee

Appalled- conspiracy theories?

pagar

"Building roads that the country needs is a good thing, and the duty and responsibility of government."

Back in the 1930 when Pres Roosevelt created the CCC, They were building wilderness trails by hand. I don't see any public roads mentioned, but they probably could have done some.
Today, I would be very surprised if such a group could get legal permits and approval to build a sidewalk to anywhere because of the insane number of permits required to do anything.
Remember the report of the teenagers in Hazelwood Missouri to go to court for selling Girl Scout cookies with out a permit.
http://bobmccarty.com/2011/07/20/st-louis-cookie-stand-lawsuit-goes-to-court/

Also at his site you can find reports of USDA employees running around looking for individual rabbits who do not have the proper USDA license and fining their owner $500 for that offense. Also he has the story about 2 USDA employees driving 3 hrs each to verify that an American citizen has no rabbits on his property. The madness never ceases. Plus it insures that out of control government spending will
never cease.

Appalled

MayBee:

For politics, look at the post immediately above yours.

If you are talking about baseball, you should see the number of conspiracy theories about the Braves and an alleged devotion to mediocrity and making sure life is good for the coach's alleged favorites/

MayBee

You know that is not in any way representative of this site, Appalled. Do you have real example?

As for baseball, who has time to care?

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Most economists (and I believe even Krugman) think that is no more helpful than a straight hand-out to the sort of people likely to be hired as hole-diggers, and is probably comparable to a tax cut targeting the working class (such as a payroll tax holiday)

The problem with this group think of "most economists" is that is ignores maybe THE MOST IMPORTANT aspects of working for pay as opposed to handouts ... self respect, pride in a job well done, pride in being a good provider.

I've twice witnessed hardworking men who took pride in being good providers be out of work for a number of months. Getting unemployment and having a semi-paid vacation was okay the first month or so, despite the embarrassment of having to stand in line at the UE office, but as the time dragged on, I saw them get more and more withdrawn and depressed and eventually go into a full blown depression and giving up.

It was very unsettling for me as well to see "my man" "my son" in this state and I had great sympathy to a point. I tried pretty much every tack, but it wasn't until I ran out of patience and took a very hard line (not easy, but had to be done). I came home one day and found my husband on the couch, still in his robe, unshaven and just lying there staring at the wall. I went ballistic and ended up slapping him across the face to snap him out of it. Then I went to work on the problem, taking over pretty much, but making him stay engaged the whole time. It worked, I repeated the process 20 years later with my son and it was slightly harder but once I enlisted my d-i-l, it worked with him as well.

Women suffer too, but in a much different way. Men are far more likely to define themselves by their jobs and when they don't have one, it is hard for them to find themselves. I always described myself as a very busy working MOM or working wife, he described himself as an Engineer or when he was career Navy, by his rate or rank in engineering/repair. Take that identity away and replace it with a handout, it becomes a real problem.

I cannot imagine what it would be like to have to deal with someone out of work for more than a few months, that was bad enough, but in today's economy, it isn't just a few months, it is turning into a year, two even. Cars and houses are being repossessed and foreclosed.

Handouts are helpful in the short term to keep the wolf away from the door, but unfortunately the longer they go on, the more the fight goes out of a person and after awhile the wolf wins. Oh, and BTW, there is nothing wrong with being a hole digger as long as it is honest work for honest pay. I think even FDR recognized this and his WPA was one solution.

MayBee

I like the "We'll approve a clean, 3-month debt limit increase while the Senate works pass a budget. If they can't do that, we'll be back in 3 months to ask why not" plan.

Yay!
Join the Ext-MayBee movement, everyone! We've got momentum!

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Pagar: I remember as a little girl asking my Dad why each section of sidewalk was stamped with a number and WPA and my Dad explaining what it meant. Then not long after, I learned that the beautiful Blue Knob camp I attended each Summer was a result of the CCC. And as a teen, I learned that many of the trails and facilities at national parks where I camped and backpacked were a result of Depression-era work projects. I remember being particularly impressed by the aesthetic merit of waist-high tree stumps being fitted out as drinking fountains so they blended into the landscape.

Would the SEIU, or any unions allow such projects today? Or as you mentioned, would the regulators allow it?

jimmyk

I'm in, MayBee. At the risk of repeating myself, 10-year-plans are meaningless, all I care about is cutting spending in this budget, not meaningless cuts in future budgets.

Threadkiller

Coburn was on Cavuto's show. Looks like he is a Hobbit.

I agree with CH's disdain for the creation of yet another committee. They should limit the eligibility to serve on this committee to those who voted no on the bill.

Appalled

MayBee:

They aren't typical of the regulars on this site, but they do appear every so often. Of course, I consider the comments that Boehner is just like every other politician, just a big spender, how can we vote GOP, they'll just betray us as tending towards conspiracy theory.

MayBee

Yay! JimmyK!

pagar

Sara, Thanks! Both your last two posts have such great points. Respect is vital for human beings to function. Going up to a window for a handout doesn't build respect, IMO. Coming in home with a knowledge that one has done a good day's work does. At least for me it did.

MayBee

Of course, I consider the comments that Boehner is just like every other politician, just a big spender, how can we vote GOP, they'll just betray us as tending towards conspiracy theory.

Well, careful there buddy. You're starting to use Obama's technique to make himself the only reasonable guy in the room.

Granny

Not too far OT, but did anyone else read the link from Instapundit to Slate Mag re Match.com:

"Indeed, says Thombre, 'the politics one is quite interesting. Conservatives are far more open to reaching out to someone with a different point of view than a liberal is.'

That is, when it comes to looking for love, conservatives are more open-minded than liberals."

Barbara

MayBee,

Count me "in" as well.

Danube of Thought

A guy from Auburn is calling somebodt stupid?

Appalled

You mean I'm not the only reasonable person in the room? Daggone, I got to find me another universe...

MayBee

Yay Barbara!

WarEagle

The Super Committee will obviously be composed of 6 Democrats who want to raise taxes and spending to even more astronomical levels. The 6 Republicans will be "go-along-to-get-along" RINOs.

You can guess what the results of this "Super Committee" will be before it is created...

glasater

I'm with Maybee also! That birthday party bash is so abhorrent to me.

And I must include this link I found in my spam folder from BOzo:


BOzo'S MESSAGE ON THE DEBT AGREEMENT

Its not quite as damning of the R's as I had expected.

Clarice

I NEVER want to cross MayBee. NEVAH.
Hard day at the courthouse/will check in later.

Jim Miller

Some of the comments here inspired me to recycle an old joke.

Rick Ballard

Count me in, MayBee. We get a raffle ticket for a chance to win some of that tasteful art, right?

Ben Franklin

Detailed account of the Bin Laden Raid.....

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/08/08/110808fa_fact_schmidle?currentPage=all

Clarice

Love Taranto:

"Obama had looked at his cards and seen that he was holding a 2, a 3, a 4 and a 5. He was sure he had an ace to complete the straight, but in reality he was looking in the mirror. By the time he realized how weak his hand was, there was no time left to improve it or to bluff. Faced with an imminent liquidity crisis--which would have been a political disaster for him as well as an economic one for the country--he was forced to agree to a deal more or less along Republican lines.
From the standpoint of a small-government conservative, the agreement is far from perfect, but it's probably the best possible outcome as long as a left-wing Democrat is in the White House and his party has a Senate majority"

Ignatz

--Detailed account of the Bin Laden Raid.....--

Read it earlier. A very good article marred only by the wildly improbable assertion that Barry came up with the last minute idea of having a couple of Chinooks hanging around just in case.
If that was not a long standing option presented to him by Defense planners I'd be amazed to the point of needing a fainting couch.

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vnjagvet

When I read comments that this deal is the end of the world as we want it to be, I wonder to myself just how folks with that view think they could have done better.

The holding your breath until you turn blue tactic has never worked on me. Unless you have the real power to force a decision, you can't get everything you want no matter how much you want it.

Most of my professional negotiation experience has been in the labor and business dispute arenas. In over 40 years, I have never seen a case where a party not having a weapon to force a decision in their favor got a significant percentage of what they wanted.

In this case so far as I can tell no one party to this dispute could have had the real power to force their view on the other. Unless someone comes up with something to convince me that leverage was all on the side of the purest deficit hawks in the House or Senate, I think a no vote to this deal is wholly symbolic.

MayBee

Most of my professional negotiation experience has been in the labor and business dispute arenas. In over 40 years, I have never seen a case where a party not having a weapon to force a decision in their favor got a significant percentage of what they wanted.

Very true, and I don't think this is the end of the world. My main concern is this deal really makes Obama a spectator, and we know how he is when he is spectating and campaigning.

There is one thing Democrats like to say that keeps sticking in my head. They say the UAW can't be blamed for overpricing themselves and helping drive the automakers under, because management gave into them.
I can't help but think there's something in that to learn about their thinking as we move forward in this latest gambit.

Janet

I just know that Boehner is not the enemy.
I don't know about the staff for all these politicians though.
The Dem politicians didn't write Obamacare...their staff & lib flotsam wrote it.

Extraneus

Why not just give them a clean, short-term debt-limit bill and be done with it, Jim? What's the point of all the jockeying and Select Committees? Who does that even help?

The grand total of 2012 cuts is $21B, and in 2013 it's $42.

$21B! That's like taking a quarter out of your pocket and deciding it's the one thing you won't spend next year. Everything else goes, including your life savings, while you'll take out loans for 40% of all the spending you'll do, but not that quarter. You're holding the line on that quarter.

I tried reading through the bill, and I didn't see anything that promised great value, although I admit I didn't look into the legislation that was referenced in multiple sections.

What does a yes vote accomplish that a clean, short-term debt-limit increase wouldn't, besides maybe raising the profile of the BBA?

This bill doesn't even force the Senate to pass a budget, like MayBee's strategy would at least attempt to do. In fact, it leaves them off the hook as far as I can tell.

Porchlight

Respect is vital for human beings to function. Going up to a window for a handout doesn't build respect, IMO. Coming in home with a knowledge that one has done a good day's work does.

Having the self-worth and self-respect not to go on welfare if one could possibly avoid it, and not to stay on it any longer than one had to, used to be the norm. "Too proud to take charity" is how it was often expressed.

I daresay the engineers of the New Deal, at least the well-intentioned ones, thought that would remain the norm. Thanks to them, we now have a different populace.

Captain Hate

Mel, sorry to be so late getting back to you on this but do you have any idea if Moss has stashed away enough jack to really be retired. Even though he could be a major prick at times, and last season was a complete jerk, I really enjoyed watching him play for multiple seasons where he made ham 'n egger QBs look like the second coming of Montana.

It would really bother me if he becomes the second version of Latrell Sprewell.

MayBee

Ext- you are right. As I understand it, the Senate will be deemed to have passed a budget.

Leaving the House all alone in putting something on the table for 2012. And Obama has already demagogued that in these negotiations, saying the GOP was more than happy to vote to change Medicare in their budget.

He now has no skin in this game.
And the Senate has less than the House.

Ben Franklin

What about operational budgets for Congress?

They need to bite the fiscal bullet.

I suggest an umbrella budget. By that I mean, they should be allocated a specific sum each year. Everything would be paid out of that fund. Staff salaries, office expenses, travel, ground transportation....everything...including Health Insurance.

Let them operate under a fiscal hammer-and-tong. Just like us, they can choose how to spend the money. If there's enough left for Medical, dental, vision, they can choose the plan that fits their budget.

Hey! They could get a lump-sum of $7000 to cover all medical expenses for the year. VOUCHER! VOUCHER! VOUCHER!

MayBee

Boehner said at one point that “it’s clear to all of us how big this spending problem is. Congress keeps voting for programs we can’t pay for. But look, entitlement cuts aren’t easy for us to vote for either. Our guys aren’t cheerleading about cutting entitlements.”

“Your guys already voted for them,” the president said, referring to the budget offered by House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan, R-Wisc.

“Excuse us for trying to lead,” Boehner said.

http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/07/11/boehner-to-obama-excuse-us-for-trying-to-lead/

Jane

A very good article marred only by the wildly improbable assertion that Barry came up with the last minute idea of having a couple of Chinooks hanging around just in case.

I too found that assertion very out of character.

Mikey

I never watch MSNBC They really hate the Tea Party. I wonder if .Civil Rights protesters were this hated by their adversaries

narciso

The contrast is very clear, between the members of DevGru, who have fought on the may battlefields of the WOT, from Afghanistan to Yemen, while the other just pontificates on the matter, and more often then not, is party
to the denigration of said efforts

Ben Franklin

holy moly............

Extraneus

CH: Don’t buy into Moss’ retirement talk

maryrose

Maybee:
I'm with you too and would vote for you for Congress anytime.

MayBee

xoxoxo, maryrose. The sweetest person on the internet.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

I liked Mary Katherine Hamm's description. She said we've gotten the heroin addict to the methadone clinic and now the real work needs to be done to deal with the underlying addiction.

I guess the new term is teaparty terrorist. I've been out all afternoon and in the hour I've been home, I've heard it used by 4 different people on TV and I from what I gather a few more in other media, such as Krugmann.

House passes debt limit bill 269-161. I praise the tea party folks who control 1/2 of 1/2 of 1/2 of 1/3 of the government.

PD

I guess the new term is teaparty terrorist.

Yeah, that and "hostage taker."

Because, you know, if rampant government spending leads to the horrible financial problems we're now in, and you as a Tea Partier had nothing to do with any of that, it's all your fault.

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