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September 29, 2011



From Insty:

NYPost article:
his just might be the smoking gun we’ve been waiting for to break the festering “Fast and Furious” gun-running scandal wide open: the Department of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives apparently ordered one of its own agents to purchase firearms with taxpayer money, and sell them directly to a Mexican drug cartel.

Let that sink in: After months of pretending that “Fast and Furious” was a botched surveillance operation of illegal gun-running spearheaded by the ATF and the US attorney’s office in Phoenix, it turns out that the government itself was selling guns to the bad guys. . . .

There are two possible explanations. The first is that the anti-gun Obama administration deliberately wanted American guns planted in Mexico in order to demonize American firearms dealers and gun owners. The operation was manufacturing “evidence” for the president’s false claim that we’re to blame for the appalling levels of Mexican drug-war violence.

If this is true, then Holder & Co. have got to go — and the trail needs to be followed no matter where it leads. For the federal government to seek to frame its own citizens is unconscionable.

A second notion is that the CIA was behind the whole thing, which accounts for all the desperate wagon-circling. Under this theory, the Agency feared the los Zetas drug cartel was becoming too powerful and might even mount a coup against the Mexican government. So some 2,000 weapons costing more than $1.25 million were deliberately channeled to the rival Sinaloa cartel, which operates along the American border, to keep the Zetas in check.

Of course, there’s a third explanation — that both scenarios are true, and that those in charge of Fast and Furious saw an opportunity to shoot two birds with one Romanian-made AK Draco pistol.

Time for a special prosecutor, who’s both fast and furious.


jack is Back!

I am still convinced that this was planned as a precursor political action to demonstrate more gun control requirements. The only way this will be JEF's "Watergate" is if the right-thinking blogs or the alternative media make it unavoidable for national discussion. But don't count on the MFM making a stink out of this because it reveals how far the left will go to undermine individual rights and the constitution.


The competing theory would be the reason why
the NSC was involved, both O'Reilly and Restrepo, but why would they send weapons down
to Honduras. and points south,

Rob Crawford

I am still convinced that this was planned as a precursor political action to demonstrate more gun control requirements.

Considering The Wan and Hillary! and others were pimping the "most of the guns in Mexico come from the US" lie right up until Agent Terry's murder...

jack is Back!

Plus this from the WH Insider at Ulterman's link on the other thread:

Been told there is a memo, or was a memo, tying Fast and Furious directly to some kind of proposed gun control legislation or plan. Not certain how developed it was. Something that was pending . The memo is a direct link between the program and the gun control issue. An entire coordinated effort that required people to be killed. It is being talked about, but I have not seen it or spoken with anyone who has. So who knows? If it does exist and if Issa or someone comparable to him has it, then it implicates the administration at an entirely new level of corruption here. We’re talking about people marching on the White House and throwing them out on their ass. Either way, if Fast and Furious is to break out completely against this White House, it needs to happen soon, so we will have our answer either way.

Yo! If that memo actually exists, who will be the 21st century Sam Ervin and Howard Baker?

Army of Davids

Government Sachs..Golden Slacks

Government Motors (GMAC..Ally)

Government Electric (GE Capital)

All 3 bailed out by TARP


Well, consider that it is 1,2, and...

3. outright corruption from tho Drug Cartels--a business deal.

(I think it is beyond question that a lot of this certainly was about increasing gun control given the rhetoric out of the DOJ and Homeland Security at the very time that ths was happening.)

We must consider what else might have gone on, what other "transactions" have taken place.

The sheer arrogance of this--and the sheer evil of it--leaves one staggering.

Obama and Co. detest this nation, and they are hope to take the model of openly corrupt urban political machines nation wide. If they can be so corrupted by a drug gang, what happens when enemy nation states open up the pocket books?

They are on the take to foreign actors...it s pretty obvious. People like Forbes cannot really bring themselves to see it.

The nation should be up in arms but this and about the collusion of the media. It is open treason. If this was done in anther context, the whole lot would be up on RICO charges--perhaps even treason charges. If another nation did this, it would be a cause for war.. When was the last time that Forbes led a story like this at its level of the media? Forbes! That should tell you something

Remember that thus far there are 200 or so dead from this. Just image a Republican did this. The GoP candidate are strangely mum abut this.

We have become terribly corrupt in this nation.

If Obama knew about this then he needs to do jail time.

Army of Davids

Reckless Endangerment

Danube of Thought

Minus 20 at Raz today.


Somehow I missed the US Attorney for AZ stepping down Aug 30th over this mess.

A sheriff was on Fox last night. He plans on compiling evidence to prosecute any accomplice involved in these guns being used in his territory. He mentioned the US Attorney, Burke, and made it clear that Burke is only one step from Holder.


“The more that comes out about this Fast and Furious scandal, the more we realize that there are very real dangers in a government that is too big to monitor itself”


Denial being a long and winding river:



I've linked that fact, at least once after it happened, and before, showing the Napolitano
tie, TK


... and to think Alberto Gonzales quit over what ? At least nobody died.

Shoot, shoot, they shot him down.

Well, Hell, the only way this can be pinned on the President is if he was actually engaged. Are there cell phone calls from the golf course on tape?


The best that can be said is ..

The Most Incompetent Administration Evah


Yo! If that memo actually exists, who will be the 21st century Sam Ervin and Howard Baker?

WE won't need them. Nancy Pelosi et. al. will personally drag O kicking and screaming from the WH to preserve their own re-election bids, particularly now since Ronald Pelosi got his $750 million kickback.


I remember the Napolitano connection, from your post, I missed the stepping down of the US Attorney. I really dig into these types of events. At the beginning of this I posted several times the speech in Mexico where their President said it would be a shame if guns went north and killed Americans. The fact that something as major as the stepping down of such a high level clown got overlooked by me, tells me how well this story has been buried.


"why would they send weapons down
to Honduras"

Chavez and Obama and the US State Dept had a guy they wanted as President of Honduras. The people of Honduras did not want to be ruled by a guy handpicked to be their President, by Chavez, Obama and the US State dept. Therefore to insure that the will of Chavez, Obama and the US State was carried out, it was deemed necessary.

Army of Davids

Cain/Rubio 2012

Melinda Romanoff

Oh, darn

Headliner at Drudge: Chavez rushed to hospital.

No word on Francisco Franco.


it isn't incompetence. It's criminal intent.

I'm joking, or am I?

Reading Forbes now, it is obvious to me that F&F was Obama's plan to push the percentage of US sourced guns seized in Mexico from the 17% it actually was to the 90% he said it was.


The first is that the anti-gun Obama administration deliberately wanted American guns planted in Mexico in order to demonize American firearms dealers and gun owners.

But don't count on the MFM making a stink out of this because it reveals how far the left will go to undermine individual rights and the constitution.

The MFM was in on it. The WaPo was printing stories about evil American guns & how they were being used in Mexico.
Who were the go-to JournoLists for those stories? They were purposefully laying the groundwork for the administration.

Just like the evil, racist Tea Party set up on March 20th. The MFM in cahoots with the CBC & the DNC.


Yes, that dude was "self-radicalized", don't ya know.

Well he has a "self", allegedly, though not, evidently, a soul, and he was "radical", so he just must have just gone out there "radicalized his own self". Or maybe they mean he could read and write. Perhaps he was "self-actualized" as well?

This, I posit, is the closest we shall ever come to hearing the Democrats affirm the notinn individual responsibility.

(though one is surprised to not hear it was some sort of poverty or "Structural Racism" that caused this.)

And this is not "denial", at least not in the psychological sense, it is obfuscation ad evasion. It is willfully covering for our enemies.

What idiocy has the PC culture wrought on us. These people are a seance, pure and simple.

They are selling guns to drug lords ad then putting out carp like this. What traitors.

Melinda Romanoff


Now it's denied in Buenos Aires Herald.

Ah. well.


Rubio is an anchor baby.

Amazing stupidity.  Probably no sense of humour, either.

OK, what fun. I started my last comment as a joke, wondered by the end, and now found that my joke was the rationale.


"Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead"

Ice age will cure it.  How big it has to be, even kim doesn't know.

Similar to that 10:10 video blowing up denier children's head, this is a symptom of psychosis. Mass psychosis. Why didn't anyone involved think this was a bad idea? And why wasn't anything done about it until an agent was killed. Apparently the only one who noticed was this (rogue) ATF agent.

I'd like Bill, from the clear air, to please tell us what is the matter with us.

Rob Crawford

First, I don't really buy the "Insider" stuff. Too pat, too much what we want to hear.

Second, Pelosi et. al. will NOT turn on Obama to save their own hides, because turning on Obama is more dangerous to them than defending him. The left will not tolerate anyone who "caves to the Rethugs", regardless of the issue.



I'm giving you the wet blanket award.

With nuthin but fine tooth comb, please come home.

Dang, 'Clear Air Zone)


Rob Crawford, I agree about WH Insider being too much what we want to hear.

But in regards to this last installment - does anyone think that the WH isn't terrified over Fast & Furious? Of course they are.

Dems in swing districts (if there are any left) will probably turn on Obama, as it's their only hope for re-election. The ones in safe districts won't.


I don't buy the "insider" stuff, either. Though I think some if it probably is based on sound guesses and gossip--like the report of a Michelle blow up. I mean look at her face and the number of staff changes..of course, she's impossible and likely to be fighting with her staff.



Bernanke warns US enemployment is a 'national crisis'

... Huh ?!?

Likely, cuz the argument is already made and Obama is already disposable.

Gad, wouldn't that be an irony, TK, if 'naturels' were turned on him.

I can't understand climate so I watch the thermometer.

I think 'Insider' is quintuple agent disinformation.


Bernanke does have a keen grasp of the obvious, doesn't he.

Et tu, Brute?

Yes, the end may be fast and furious.


Exactly, Clarice. Available information says of course she's a witch and blows up at staff. Even if you don't have a first hand report confirming it. Fake but accurate. ;)

Melinda Romanoff


Self-preservation and the D'Alessandro's known allergies to subpoenas will rule the day. iBama will be given no protection amongst his fellow thieves.

Watch Durbin. He'll be the tell-tale.


I think the "Insider" is a blast!

A paradigm by any other rise would taste as sweet.

Bubblicious meme.

If I wanted to be paranoid, I wanta know who will be Val.

Yeah, Mel; Durbin knows O'Reilly.



Me too. And I don't really care if it is made up or not. Can't be any worse than what was done to Bush. Fake but accurate works for me.

From Chicago.

I knew a man who danced with his wife.

Climate sensitivity from empiric data not models.

L!ink U!nder N!ame to some nice prose from his lordship. Scroll past the Gorebellied Fool.

Melinda Romanoff

I'd still be lookin' for my watch, if it were me.


Everything about these people, is a fraud isn't it, speaking of which, a little schadenfreude, McGuinness sold just slightly
more than 6,000 copies,


If this country still had an actual free press, rather than a group of courtiers, court jesters and self-made eunuchs fighting hammer and tong on behalf of every left wing administration, F&F would already be just the tip of Barry's very own Tea Pot Dome.

Melinda Romanoff


Leave Wyoming out of it.




One point from the Gore video is true. That kind of manipulation for political effect is very much consistent with how high school and college science is to be conducted under those "standards" we talked of yesterday. And OL-yes Andrew would be horrified with what was done with his money.

Mel-Can you tell me your difference between a Maoist and Marxist? Not idle wonder as I just encountered one of the premier bad idea carriers advocating introducing Mao into the US classroom back at the height of the Cold War. He and Ayers remain allies if that helps.


Remember the Christic institute witchhunt that John Kerry collaborated, with to tarnish the CIA. Well among many details
where the truth and the 'narrative' don't match

In 2009, Swedish journalist and La Penca survivor Peter Torbiörnsson broke 25 years of silence to reveal that prior to the bombing he had been introduced to "Hansen" in Managua by the Chief of Sandinista Intelligence, a Cuban named Renan Montero. Afterwards, Torbiörnsson took "Hansen" under his wing when the two shared a hotel room in Costa Rica. Torbiörnsson traveled with "Hansen" throughout northern Costa Rica in search of Pastora. The Swede, who admitted sympathy with the Sandinista cause, said he suspected his travel companion was a spy, but he had no idea he was a assassin. Even as journalists and news organizations spent years trying to crack the La Penca mystery, Torbiörnsson kept silent about his knowledge of the alleged bomber's Sandinista connection. But tormented by the idea that he had been used as an unwitting accomplice to a terrorist attack, Torbiörnsson finally broke his silence by traveling to Managua in January, 2009 to present an accusation before Nicaraguan police authorities pointing to Montero, former Sandinista Minister of Interior Comandante Tomás Borge and Lenín Cerna, ex-chief of state security as intellectual authors of the attack.[7]

Dave (in MA)

This Just In: Uncle Stinky thinks drunk driving is funny.


narciso, I don't remember the Christic Institute incident and what bombing are you talking about?

Melinda Romanoff

I've always understood the distinction being that the use of violence is the only way to power, maintaining power and the application of doctrine, up to and including genocide, as a viable political tool.

Marxism being more of the rise of the proletariat through class struggle.

Both Ayers and Dohrn are Maoists.


There was an assasination attempt on Pastora, one of the renegade contra leaders, the subject was someone who was operating under
the name 'Per Anken Hansen', but the Move On of that era, conjured up this theory, that it was actually a Libyan named Amac Galil, who was hired by the CIA, this was mixed in with the grand theory of a 'Secret Team' that was behind all the evil in the world, some years later, we discover Hansen is a Argentine terrorist named Vital Gaguine, who died in an attack, against an Argentine Army post. Now the last act is the excerpted story, a quarter century later.


more than 6,000 copies,

He has that many relatives? Heh.

Melinda Romanoff


Iran-Contra a put up job? Who knew?


I thought Ayer certainly was more a Marxist, in the Guevara/Marighela vein, although there
were some Maoists in the PLP faction, notably

Danube of Thought

"Rubio is an anchor baby."

Rubio in '12.


Thanks, narciso.


"Everything about these people, is a fraud"

O/T, but between the Fast and Furious lawsuits, and all the other fraud in the Obama Admin and the bank/MERS/securitization fraud every lawyer in the US should be assured lifetime employment.



Klonsky, who got money from the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, and who was friendly with the Obamas. Mrs Klonsky and Michelle hosted some fundraiser for schools together.

Remember that weird thing where Google released an archive where you could Google for a few days as if it were 10 years ago? And all the stuff about Obama that had been cleared from Google searches showed up (some of it still cleaned up)? I suspect that was their way of making amends for having hidden his past, and made the little historic excuse as a pretense.


That's the distinction I would make. Whatever it takes and then an admiration for those willing to do whatever it takes.

Steve Diamond-if you are around. Would love your input.

What will be interesting is to see reactions as these various stealth vehicles to gain control without it being so obvious became widely recognized. Gore's behavior indicates these are not stable personalities lusting for power.


How does one c&p, out of Google Books:



Daniel Henninger asks why can't Herman Cain win?
Curiously, in chronicling Cain's resume he makes no mention of Cain's stint as head of the Kansas city Fed board of directors.


Steve Moore in a WSJ 5 minute video asks the same question about Herman Cain.
Maybe the answer is, he can.

Melinda Romanoff


THAT was certainly an interesting little read.

Danube of Thought

Homely ignoramus Janeane Garofalo unleashes another tirade about the racist GOP at RCP. The theme this time is that the Cain candidacy is proof. (Can't link.)


Everything is proof, DoT. That's the beauty of "racism".

Legal Insurrection:

From a purely political viewpoint, it is more important that the Supreme Court hear and decide the case prior to the 2012 election than it is which way the Court rules.

While of course throwing the mandate out is my strong (overwhelming) preference, politically for Republicans I don’t think it makes a huge difference which way the Court decides the case, as long as it decides the case prior to the 2012 election.

If the Supreme Court finds the mandate to be unconstitutional, it will deflate Obama’s presidency. In one fell swoop, the entirety of Obama’s agenda will come crashing down. It will be a political and personal humiliation.

If the Supreme Court upholds the mandate, Obama will be able to crow a little, but such a decision will leave the majority of people who hate the law with but one alternative: Throw Obama and Senate Democrats out in November 2012.

A pro-Obamacare ruling prior to the election will motivate the Republican base like nothing else, and will bring the independents along. If you thought the summer of 2009 was hot, just wait until the summer of 2012 if the only way for the nation to get out from under Obamacare is at the ballot box in November.

Legally, Republicans can lose in the Supreme Court on the Obamacare mandate. Policitally, Republicans cannot lose, so long as a decision is issued prior to the November 2012 election.

Rick Ballard

"Whatever it takes and then an admiration for those willing to do whatever it takes."

Until the formation of the Committee of Public Safety or its analog under Lenin/Stalin/Hitler/Mao. The 13%ers get a little quiet at that point - silence of the grave and all that.

I believe that a case can be made that both F&F and Solyndra are evidence of the inherent stupidity of the idiotic romantics elevated far beyond any semblance of competence by the electorate's Error of '08. The recent remarks by Perdue and Orszag concerning getting rid of the nasty elections feature of democracy were appeals to the same idiotic romanticism - we just need a brief period of absolute tyranny and then everyone will be happy forever.

I would suggest that they confer with Citoyen Danton regarding the probable outcome of their black hearted desire.

Melinda Romanoff


I prefer the Marat solution for these slugs.

Danube of Thought

Do either Perdue or Orszag understand that their prescriptions would require constitutional amendments? I have seen no indication that the do.


Change Me. I Stink.

"We have to determine that there is a zoning law that prohibits perhaps the size of the sign, perhaps the way that it's erected, that it is leaning over onto public property," Guidry said. "Whatever we can use, we will, but of course, we do have to balance that with First Amendment rights."

Racism. The only explanation. Certainly not Obama whining.


Henninger: "Does a résumé like Herman Cain's add up to an American presidency? I used to think not. But after watching the American Idol system we've fallen into for discovering a president—with opinion polls, tongue slips and media caprice deciding front-runners and even presidents—I'm rewriting my presidential-selection software."

Amen. We need to look past the polls and momentary gaffes the msm trumpets to the record, character, and proven ability of our choices.


They write like this is a bad thing:


Rob Crawford

From Sue's link:

"He wouldn't do that to [President] Bush, I'm sure. It's just insulting. It's insulting," said C.C. Campbell-Rock. "He's going to have to take them down."

Wow. Were these people asleep for 8 years?

Jim Ryan

The current issue of Imprimus says it's unwise to depend on the court for these important decisions (Obamacare, AZ illegal alien law) but just vote the bums out and get a new Congress to change the law. The reasons are that these decisions are too fine-line for the court to get right often enough and the bums can just rewrite the law so it's almost as bad but without the part the court ruled unconstitutional. I can't remember the writer's name.


I think we're about to witness the first suicide-by-signage.

Melinda Romanoff

Just in case anyone needs a lawyer here in Chicago, Blago's not too busy.


Is this the piece you are talking about:




I skipped over that part, they really do think no one was rude or disrespectful to Bush I guess. What caught my eye was "He's going to have to take them down." Why? On what basis? The councilwoman, Guidry, is doing her best to figure that one out.

jack is Back!


I thought PLP was connected more to the ChiComms than the PRNV or the Soviets? All of them Maoists.

Jim Ryan

Thx, narciso.

Danube of Thought

I agree we can't depend on the courts. They are very, very reluctant to overturn congressional legislation, and they don't often do it. We've got to get the WH and both houses of congress. I believe we will.

Rob Crawford

What caught my eye was "He's going to have to take them down." Why? On what basis?

Because this is no longer a free country.


Danube of Thought

I've received this from several sources by e-mail. Anybody know if it's authentic?

Fox News (Wednesday, September 28, 2011) has item from a recent interview conducted by Dana Perino.

Dana Perino (FOX News) describing an interview she recently had with a Navy SEAL. After discussing all the countries that he had been sent to, she asked if they had to learn several languages?

SEAL: "Oh, no ma'am, we don't go there to talk."


Are there cell phone calls from the golf course on tape?

I've said before, if the President happened to press the tip of a pen across a sheet of paper, and ink happened to flow onto the page, and then later other people in government happened to see the sheet, and photons happened to bounce off the sheet and into their retinas, and the government officials happened to interpret the resulting optic nerve activity as a handwritten note from the President of the United States instructing every agency of the Justice Department to cooperate in trafficking arms to Mexican drug gangs -

I just think that's a pretty weak chain of circumstance. Don't you wingnuts have any proof?


Well I imagine if they are deployed for long periods in country, they probably know some
Arabic or Pashto, just to get around,

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vnjagvet

Thanks to all of you for the words of encouragement on the other thread.

Since we caught it early, I think I have a good option at either the Cleveland Clinic or Johns Hopkins and am in the final stages of deciding which one.

I'll let you know.

Now off to another docs.


--Legally, Republicans can lose in the Supreme Court on the Obamacare mandate. Policitally, Republicans cannot lose, so long as a decision is issued prior to the November 2012 election.--

I agree completely with Professor Jacobson.
The wise course was to delay it past the election, which presumably is precisely why this gaggle of fools did not do so.



Best of luck.


Yes, that was a brilliant bit of tactical intelligence, right along with the Olympic bid for Chicago, and the World Cup deal.


Jim Rhoads posted this on the Christie thread last night, but some may have missed it:

"OT, I have not been able to keep up because most of my time for several weeks I have been occupied dealing with a positive prostate biopsy. Good news was it hasn't metastasized and is treatable. Also, I have a great support base. Bad news is my other extensive physical ailments limits my treatment options. It's a cliche, but old age ain't for sissies. The internet sure does make understanding the problems much easier, though."


Jim - You are in my prayers~

Jim Ryan

Good luck to you, Jim.


Jim Rhoads:
I am praying for you and I know all will be well. My dad lived over 10 years with a prostate diagnosis and his treatments were at the office and his medicine was minimal.
I see Fast and Furious as our ace in the hole. Someone is going down for this. My guess is Obama throws Holder under the bus and claims ignorance of the situation. Solyndra and Pelosi Solar needed to be repeated 5 times over at the upcoming rep debates as crony capitalism and and appeasing relatives with freebies. Everyone in America understands nepotism and Maxine's TARP giveaway to her husband's bank should be mentioned out loud. We are attempting to show a pattern of payola, graft and breaking the law by putting investors ahead of taxpayers.

Thomas Collins

Ignatz, I'm not so sure Axelplouffe made a mistake on this one. The Obama 2012 campaign playbook is stoking the base, massive urban voting fraud, continuing to propagandize the yutes, keeping the overwheming AA vote, substantially holding the line with the Hispanic vote, and keeping enough credentialled moron independents to get 47-48% of the popular vote in places that will translate into an Electoral College victory. Any type of decision on ObamaCare will help stoke up the base. And the persuadable independents are still stuck in la-la therapy state land, so they could be picked off in any event.

I'm not saying this strategy will succeed. I'm just saying getting an early SCOTUS decison on ObamaCare is consistent with it.

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