Keeping Hate Alive!

Paul Krugman delivers as the Head Hater of the Angry Left:

The Years of Shame

Is it just me, or are the 9/11 commemorations oddly subdued?

Actually, I don’t think it’s me, and it’s not really that odd.

What happened after 9/11 — and I think even people on the right know this, whether they admit it or not — was deeply shameful. Te atrocity should have been a unifying event, but instead it became a wedge issue. Fake heroes like Bernie Kerik, Rudy Giuliani, and, yes, George W. Bush raced to cash in on the horror. And then the attack was used to justify an unrelated war the neocons wanted to fight, for all the wrong reasons.

The commemoration is subdued?  How odd - nothing says "Let's Party" like the deaths of 3,000 civilians. Well, Krugman got his Nobel Prize for Economics, not psychology.

I watched a bit of the memorial service at Ground Zero. Two strangers would go through about six names from the alphabetized list; then they would read off the name of their father, mother, brother, sister, niece, or whatever, say a few words, and move off-stage.  Some of the readers were totally composed, but most got a bit choked up when they got to their loved one.  Watching twenty year-olds say good-bye to a mother they lost when they were ten isn't easy, but watching a forty year old cop lose it when saluting his father is not so easy even for a cold-hearted, insensitive right-wing troglodyte like me.

Now, I suppose it is possible that the family members were choking up because they were reflecting on the Iraq War and the grim reality that Gitmo remains open.  Or perhaps they were subdued by concerns over the Patriot Act and warrantlesss wiretapping.  I am not smart or sensitive enough to be a lib like Krugman, but I didn't see it that way.

The memory of 9/11 has been irrevocably poisoned; it has become an occasion for shame. And in its heart, the nation knows it.

Wow.  I'll let you know when I am ashamed of the heroism of the United 93 passengers, or New York's Finest or Bravest.  But don't be holding your breath.

FWIW:  Krugman is not allowing comments at his site but Steve Benen, a like-minded lib, has comments open at Washington Monthly.  Lots of support for Krugman's perspective, and some lefty push-back to which I won't be contributing - it's their day, too, and if they need to hate me, well, whatev.

Comments

[Ben Franklin]

The shame is; you don't bother reading comments in earlier threads.

Perhaps you could share your feelings about that day. Or, you could remain subdued.

[Threadkiller]

The Bens preach about being subdued.

[Rob Crawford]

Shut up, Dana. You're one of those who poisoned the memory -- and the country.

It was the left's decision to go whole-hog against Bush -- no matter how obvious the lie, they pushed it. The "peace" crowd was planning to march while the fires were still burning at Ground Zero. The Dems were passing around memos about how to politicize the war effort from the first day. Remember the Boston pol "exposing" the "horrors" of American servicemen in Iraq by showing hardcore pornography in open session? Remember the Jew-bashing "hearing" into 9/11 held in the Democrat party headquarters? Remember Code Pink being given letters of recommendation/safe passage by Democrat Senators so they could take supplies to al'Qaeda forces in Iraq?!

Remember the press embargoing the story of the Abu Ghraib abuses until they were fed the easy-to-sensationalize photos by one of the abuser's legal team? Remember the credulous harping on every claim of abuse from jihadis who had been captured? MY GOD, A WOMAN TOUCHED HIM! HE HAD INK SMEARED ON HIM! THEY FLUSHED A KORAN!!!11

Screw the left. You a-holes showed your treasonous colors in the years since 9/11. Those of us who paid attention will never forget THAT, and will work to make sure no one else does, either.

The only thing funny about it is what you "got" for your efforts.

Barak. Hussein. Obama. Mmm. Mmm. Mmmm...

[jimmyk]

I don't feel shame, but PK tells me I do whether I know it or not, so I guess that's that.

On the other hand, two can play that game:

Paul Krugman has not had anything useful or intelligent to say about American politics or economic policy in ten years. And in his heart, he knows it.

[Cecil Turner]

It was the left's decision to go whole-hog against Bush -- no matter how obvious the lie, they pushed it.

Yep. All of which happened while troops were in the field, some of it while they were still in the assault, along with the usual carping about military operations from clueless armchair generals. A propaganda effort worthy of Herr Goebbels (in the service of the other side).

[Ben Franklin]

"Keeping Hate Alive"----Rob Crawford

[Janet]

Amen to everything Rob Crawford said. I finally got engaged in politics because of the ugly lies & the hate America flotsam of the left. They are sickening & our MFM are the cheerleaders of the filth.

[Clarice]

Cecil, remember how in that incredible assault--after having to redo almost completely the entry routes when Turkey screwed us--we stopped for a day because of sandstorms and the MSM announced the enterprise doomed?

[Cecil Turner]

Yeah, I also remember the carping about length of supply lines (as if they could go from somewhere besides the nearest major port and the objective) and assorted other stupidity. Like the famed "Afghan winter," the defeatism wasn't decisive . . . at least at first.

[Barry Dauphin]

Krugman is livid because he is so irrelevant in public life, despite obtaining everything a credentialed person could obtain. No matter his professoriate, no matter his Nobel, no matter his perch at the NYT, he holds no real influence and commands no respect. Imagine how crushing that must be for the self righteous elite. He can be the object of pity but not of adoration.

[Danube of Thought]

Anyone who has any doubts about Dana's character need only remember the remarks he made about Bad and PeterUK. He is right there in the cesspool with Krugman, who is a sick and troubled man.

[glasater]

I wonder if the lefties understand the concept of shame.
Evidently not for Krugman keeps writing garbage about defenders of our country 'cashing in' on the WOT.

My awakening to the lies of the left came about from the Robert Bork hearings. Will never get over that horror.

[Danube of Thought]

You left out "brutal," Cecil. It was always the "brutal Afghan winter."

[Ben Franklin]

"remember the remarks he made about Bad and PeterUK."

I never speak ill of the deceased. PuK was inspirational in his adhoms and took my game to a new level of which I regret. I don't remember being mean to Bad.

[Ignatz]

Fire the bastard.

[Clarice]

I am damned sick of the attention given to those who sit on the sidelines and offer uninformed criticism of the work of those who do the incredibly heavy lifting and the press coverage of the Afghan offensive was a prime example.

[Threadkiller]

During the debate Williams pressed Perry on the use of capital punishment in Texas. The crowd applauded Perry’s strong stance on the topic. Williams was noticeably shocked. In a follow up he pointed out how “a strange thing just happened” with the eruption of cheers over Perry’s comments.

A troubled and confused Williams asked Perry why people would cheer such a subject. The look on Perry’s face was one of amazement as he answered: “Americans understand justice.” More cheers followed.

I do not think Perry had contemplated that anyone would have so little regard for the intellect of the average American. Sadly, Perry will be the only one who will have learned something from the exchange and Williams will just remain another Krug on the wall.

[Danube of Thought]

The crowd cheered before he even answered the question--as soon as Williams recited the statistics about executions in Texas.

[Danube of Thought]

Give it up, Dana. We know you now post as BF, and you used to post as Sem****A (month ago you were lying adamantly about your identity.) We all know bett

[Jack is Back!]

Anyone else having trouble with Wordpress? JOM keeps stalling on me to the point I have to force quit a number of times.

[Threadkiller]

That is right, DoT. It should have been an eyeopener to Williams.

[narciso]

The effusions of Scott Shane, basically arguing that AQ was not all that, after he argued against every policy that has been successful in our war against the Salafi
and the Wahhabi, surfaced in our local paper, along with a two minute hate against Cheney
by Robert Kaiser, and an adhominem attack on
Christopher Hitchens disguised as a review of his latest book,

[Danube of Thought]

Who wrote the review of Hitchens?

[Jack is Back!]

What is this about? LAX to JFK with 3 locked in the bathroom. Possible terror or just a hoax. LUN

NORAD scrambles and escorts the flight into New York.

[Ben Franklin]

"Give it up, Dana. We know you now post as BF, and you used to post as Sem****A (month ago you were lying adamantly about your identity.) We all know bett"

And we all know I am a tenured academic at Pitzer College, and that your biggest challenge is admitting you are wrong.

[narciso]

Would you be surprised it's a Puffington Hoster and sometime NPR guy:

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/09/11/2401074/inside-hitch.html

[Porchlight]

If you didn't read it at the time, I encourage everyone to go to HotAir and read Andy Levy's reposting of Allahpundit's Twitter stream from 9/11/09. He was living and working in lower Manhattan on 9/11/01.

I know I give him a hard time pretty frequently, but this is worthwhile. It is very moving.

Remembering 9/11

[Chunder road.]

Benen banned me in minutes.
======================

[Danube of Thought]

"And we all know I am a tenured academic at Pitzer College,"

We all know that you were. I have no idea what you are doing now, and I don't care. As Dana Ward you irrevocably acknowledged that you were Sem*****leo, and as BF you have irrevocably identified yourelf as Dana. I'd go back and dig it all up, but I see no point in it: I know exactly who you are.

[squaredance]

Actually "Ben", the shame is that he lets a snotty-nosed twit like you post here.

As to Krugman, his opinions are typical on the left. Just look at those comments. Decades of propaganda and manipulation in the schools and in the media have seriously harmed this nation and this society. It may be, however, that Obama has finally managed to clear the eyes of enough Americans. The Left hate this nation, and they hate all that is good or true or decent. There s n pit arguing with them; they must be cast ut of power and influence. Period.

I was downtown that morning--I was on the Westside Highway just above 14th when the first plane hit. I had just drive by the WTC. I subsequently put a large flag on the back of my truck. The reaction to this by many of my liberal "friends" was quite telling.

Americas must make the "inner migration" completely away from the Left and the liberal worldview. Only the can we recover as a nation.

It is now ten years after 911. Consider: where America was 10 years after Pearl Harbor?

There is something terribly wrong with the Republic.

[daddy]

Speaking of Keeping Hate Alive. (a repost from last night)

A Saturday outreach event between representatives from Seattle police, the FBI and the U.S. Attorney's Office was meant to improve their relationship with the Muslim, Arab, East African and Sikh communities in the Seattle area, but it ended up offending some participants:

" But the event grew confrontational during the FBI's presentation, which community members complained was too focused on Islamic terrorist groups."

I recall on the first Anniversary of 9/11 I was in Bombay with my Gujarati speaking co-pilot, (1st Generation from Gujarat.)

He said the local term for Muslims was "The 5 percent majority", because the perception was that they were never satisfied enough by whatever was done for them; they were always angry and offended and demanded to be treated more respectfully and deferentially than everyone else.

[narciso]

'Nothing to see here, these are not the droids you're looking for'

http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/09/11/15-of-the-19-hijackers-were-saudi/#comments

[Extraneus]

Krugman is just scared. Surely he's read the multiple lib studies that show that displays of patriotism and the flag make people more likely to support Republicans. I think that's the basis for his disgusting lashing out, and I hope his comments today appear on his epitaph.

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

Give it up Dana? How 'bout you and Rob giving it up DOT? We all know who Dana is, we all know what he did/said in the past. Are you so afraid we'll forget that you have to bring it up every single day he dares to post? Why? What does it accomplish? Makes you look petty and small, doesn't change one word that was said in the past, does nothing to make things better in the future.

If you want to call him every name in the book, then do it, don't hide behind ad homs tucked into every sentence and constantly trying to hurt a man's livelihood.

I know you all think I support him, but that just shows how little you know me. I have no dog in that hunt, but I do care when people start threatening others as DOT does regularly with Dana.

I didn't know bad that well, but I knew her well enough to know she wouldn't be all that happy that such viciousness is being done in her name. I knew PUK very well and I know for a fact that he considered people like the old Cleo as good material. He loved the sparring.

Anyway, I appreciate anyone willing to swallow their pride and say they regret their former actions and admit they were a real jerk sometimes. I think he has done a pretty good job of maintaining the promises he made to us at that time despite continued challenges. I had my doubts and have been pleasantly surprised.

And not to be overly trivial, I have to say that anyone who spends his vacation in my favorite spot on earth, Yosemite, cannot be all bad.

Let's all channel the anger and the animosity we feel about politics and individuals into getting this country back on track. We MUST start listening to each other. We cannot continue to write off people because of some insignificant remark or action. We need to get people back to work, we need to reignite the Reagan pride in America, and it is my opinion that we can't do that by constantly sniping at each other.

I don't know about anybody else, but today is the first day of the rest of my life, the Chargers are now in the lead 24-17, and life is good and I intend to get it even better. Eye on the ball and all that.

[centralcal]

Porch: I am not a big fan of the anonymous Allahpundit, but thank you for posting that link to his twitter stream on another 9-11 anniversary. Moving yes, but very "first person" retelling of the depth and breadth of emotions that New Yorkers who experienced it up close and personal, felt.

[centralcal]

Eff you, Sara. Wanted to say that for a long, long time. And it feels good to finally do it.

[Danube of Thought]

"Are you so afraid we'll forget that you have to bring it up every single day he dares to post?"

First time I've ever mentioned it.

[narciso]

Well I think that was uncalled for, cc, Sara wants to extend more chances to Dana, despite
his unrepentant nature, I don't think it's warranted, but that's just my humble opinion,
just as it is hers,

[Jane]

Rob Crawford nailed it, as did Janet. I too will not forget the treason the left has foisted on this country all in the name of hate, the same hate Dana has been spewing here for years.

[Mark Folkestad]

Sara, I love you, but I'm mystified by your ardent defense of Cleo. His penitence was both incomplete and insincere. Many more of us than you enumerate despise the man, and I feel no guilt over my attitude. I would not do anything to harm Dana Ward, but if he were drowning and mine was the only boat nearby, I'd be torn over whether or not to throw him a lifeline.

[Ignatz]

--We all know who Dana is, we all know what he did/said in the past. Are you so afraid we'll forget that you have to bring it up every single day he dares to post?--

Problem is Dana himself doesn't seem to know or remember what he did/said.

If he'd quit with the non-denial denials it would be a good start, or perhaps didn't blame PUK for somehow forcing the posthumous comments he made about PUK as his version of an apology.
I remember very clearly that he made reprehensible comments about bad also, who had just died of cancer, so I'm not sure why the guy who made them can't.

[Danube of Thought]

"I appreciate anyone willing to swallow their pride and say they regret their former actions and admit they were a real jerk sometimes."

He has never written a word of regret about what he wrote about Bad or PeterUK. Roughly an hour ago he denied having written anything derogatory about either of them, even as he falsely denied his identity.

[sbw]

I can understand an appreciate Sara's compassion. She comes by it from hard-lived experience.

And I can understand that BenDana, by his actions, would not understand or appreciate Sara's compassion ... leading to BenDana's persistent, insistent insincerity that leads others here to take umbrage.

What I would not understand is if BenDana's anarchy succeeded in driving a wedge between important contributors here.

[boris]

"I too will not forget the treason the left has foisted on this country all in the name of hate, the same hate Dana has been spewing here for years"

I'm with Jane on that. I also recall the sock stalking cleo used to do on a regular basis to her in particular and the many derogatory words he used against her. Cleo still hates and I don't care why cleo pretends to be nice but I don't buy it for a second.

[Mark Folkestad]

Well put, sbw. We are an alliance of friends here, and must remember that. Except for the trolls, of course.

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

He has never written a word of regret about what he wrote about Bad or PeterUK. Roughly an hour ago he denied having written anything derogatory about either of them, even as he falsely denied his identity.

This is total BS, DOT.

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

"Are you so afraid we'll forget that you have to bring it up every single day he dares to post?"

OMG. Do you read what you write DOT or are you guilty of what Dana was guilty of, too much libation before posting? Your posts have dripped with your disgust and constant attempts to hurt his livelihood and have been for awhile now.

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

Sara wants to extend more chances to Dana

I never said any such thing. Not a single word about more chances for anyone. I'm just sick of the sniping at him. Ignore him if you must.

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

Eff you, Sara.

Such a class act cc, coming from the prize winning sycophant butt kisser, I consider it a compliment.

[Ignatz]

--OMG. Do you read what you write DOT or are you guilty of what Dana was guilty of, too much libation before posting?--

Do you read what you copy and paste Sara?
That was your own quote you pasted at the head of your 8:21. :)

[Threadkiller]

Sara, this is why Dana/cleo is a piece of shit.

http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2010/10/great-moments-in-political-strategizing/comments/page/1/#comments

At 10:27

Today he claims he does not remember saying anything mean to Bad. I was not around in the time of Bad. I assume it was just as terrible.

If anyone wants to play with the dying rat instead of putting it out of it’s miserable existence on this site, I find no fault.

[glasater]

The vicious comments by BF/Seman in the past are pretty difficult to forget.
Have mentioned before that I thought BF was a woman because I've never read/heard a man speak that way.

Porch-

Thanks for the Andy Levy link.
I remember watching the towers before they fell and thinking if the people on the upper floors could get up to the roof perhaps helicopters could pick them up.
Then the situation became obviously too dire for that to happen.

[Clarice]

Dana adds nothing to this place. He has selfishly stunk it up more times than I can count. Perhaps he might consider joining Sara at her place for soulful tete a tetes and leave the rest of us alone.

[Jane]

Clarice nails the perfect solution.

Take it.

[Sue]

C-cal,

It's you and me kid! ::grin::

[sbw]

You know, most libs make the mistake of thinking everyone thinks like they do.

There are people in this world who do not value society or your place in it.

[centralcal]

What Sue? Are you a sycophant butt kisser too? ::eyeroll::

[Janet]

...but what if cc has been to Yosemite? Now there is a conundrum!

[centralcal]

Anyone remember Sylvia? Anyone remember how one commenter always came to her defense? Sylvia. Dana-Cleo-Ben. See a pattern?

Sorry, Sue - left off the LOL after eyeroll before I hit enter.

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

I feel sorry for all of you. You are so invested in your own hate. I used to come here because it was filled with what seemed very bright and articulate people, but now it is more like kindergarten.

Get your pom poms out Sue and cc. Cheer on DOT all you want. If that is your America, then it is you that needs an attitude adjustment, IMHO. DOT is a retired and successful Los Angeles attorney who has made written threats to destroy Dana and ruin his career. If that is okay with all of you, then count me out. It crosses my boundaries, that it doesn't for all of you is pathetic.

I really don't give a shit what you do, ignore Dana, engage with him, whatever, that is your business, but jump on the bandwagon to destroy his livelihood, that is a whole different story.

[jorod]

Well, it's time for another 10 minute hate session... excuse me while I go to the video screen and channel some more Joe Biden who called his fellow countrymen terrorists.

[Benjamin Franklin]

Sara;

Dont let the Bastards get you down. They already have their reward.

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

CC: I never "defended" Sylvia, I just happened to agree with her assessment. I would not, unlike many here, want my daughter to date or marry one of those skeezy Duke guys.

[Ignatz]

--DOT is a retired and successful Los Angeles attorney who has made written threats to destroy Dana and ruin his career.--

Wasn't anything DoT said in response to Dana's explicit threats to ruin this place?
Why is that alone excusable?

[Benjamin Franklin]

Just for the record; The Bastards can drive all opposing views from their eyesight, save
one.......

Mine. You will never get rid of me. Take it to your favorite Bankster.

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

There is a huge huge difference between wanting to create political havoc on a blog or getting drunk and writing a bunch of BS and threatening someone's livelihood in real life, not just once, but over and over again, Ignatz.

[Sue]

Does everyone feel properly chastized? Bow your heads in shame. The lecturer in chief has spoken.

[sbw]

Sara, creating pain is not a decent way of life. Expect people to react.

I come to JOM to listen, to learn, to reflect, and to live a better life for it. Ben does not. Ben comes to JOM to hurt. How sad.

As Esmerelda says to the villain in the silent "Hunchback of Notre Dame", "Is there so little evil in the world that you must create more?"

[centralcal]

or getting drunk and writing a bunch of BS

Really? What do you base that "judgment" on?

[Stephanie 'Kindred Spirit Sister']

We cannot continue to write off people because of some insignificant remark or action.

Sure we can and frequently do. Many, here and elsewhere, have no inclination to give any measure to a Kos or a Dana or anyone else that might utter a remark or action no matter how 'insignificant' you might characterize them, and many don't waste their time other than to properly castigate them while relegating them to the dustbin of the nets. Personal responsibility and all that it entails requires society to judge each person by their thoughts and deeds. Any less is moral equivocation and a failure to hold to society's covenants and serves to undermine a classically liberal society.

I do find it funny that you so often take umbrage at someone's comments here (including mine ;D ) and resort to that most progressive of traits - name calling. CC is an 'ass kisser?' Surely you can do better than that. Sorry CC, I at least got an 'evil vile' or some such.

Even when a comment is not directed at you or even about you, you somehow find a way to take offense and your first response is to name call and castigate. Well, this comment is about you and directed to you...

"Both you and Obama (pictured above) have much the same problem and better beware of drowning.."

[glasater]

Hey!

Ben's hooked on the intellectual exchange at TM's JOM that he can get nowhere else...and for sure not in those hallowed halls of ivy.

[sbw]

Well, I'm off to bed. Here's to a brighter tomorrow. It's been an emotional day.

[Clarice]

There is a lot of truth to what Stephanie has said to you, Sara.

[Danube of Thought]

If Dana thinks that my publicizing what he has written would destroy his livelihood, then he ought to think more carefully about what he writes and places into the public domain.

Sara, I don't scold you about whom you criticize, and your scolding of me and others is getting tiresome. And at this point I'm very bad at taking orders, from you or from anybody else. So stow it.

[Captain Hate]

Oh dear; El JEFe will face a withering interview with Brian Williams on the always antagonistic Today Show. How can "pass this bill now" hope to get a good night's sleep before running that gauntlet?

[centralcal]

Golly, Stephanie, I would be proud to be "evil vile" with you any time any place - but especially on JOM! But, I am just a lowly "sycophant butt kisser." On the bright side I am "prize winning!" Take that Jane - Miss I Won.

[Threadkiller]

I order DoT to have a drink with me!

[Sue]

I watched Obama on a video over at Hot Air with the sound off. He needs his teleprompter. Otherwise, he is going to hurt himself reading off the cards.

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

What do you base that "judgment" on?

I don't judge, cc. Sorry.

However, I've seen several nice people here turn into assholes in the wee hours after imbibing all evening long. In most cases, they never apologize and nothing is said, because everyone is entitled to screw up now and then.

Everyone is entitled to dislike Dana and ignore him or take him on, just as you are entitled to throw down nasty to me or Sue to mock anyone who doesn't agree with you and her girl gang. I've read every comment written here for the past 7 years and as one who has a modicum of intelligence, despite your or Sue's opinion, I come to conclusions and form opinions. And FWIW, my opinion was that Cleo was one mean SOB and highly annoying and aggravating and seemed very tortured for some unknown reason. My revised opinion of Dana/BF is that he is intellectually stimulating even if I don't always see where he's coming from and that once he made his mea culpas, such as they were, he has made an effort. Sorry if that offends you so damn much, but that's just me....

[narciso]

The pattern doesn't limit itself to the my hometown paper or the Times, even a sensible
broadsheet like the Daily Mail shows signs of
the problem, the previous entry notwithstanding

http://pajamasmedia.com/ronradosh/2011/09/10/how-time-and-newsweek-memorialize-911/2/

[boris]

"Sorry if that offends you so damn much, but that's just me...."

If you are going to dish it out ... don't be such a baby about getting some back.

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

Sara, I don't scold you about whom you criticize, and your scolding of me and others is getting tiresome. And at this point I'm very bad at taking orders, from you or from anybody else. So stow it.

Scolding you? Give me a break. You won't even admit you are doing anything wrong. It isn't threatening to publicize what he has written, no one argues with that, we do have the 1st amendment after all. But, you went much further, you publicized his place of work, threatened to cause trouble for him there. That is what I'm complaining about, not scolding you about. So stuff it yourself.

[Frau Ernst]

It appears S*m@nt!cl*0 has highjacked the anger and sadness of this day. Why would anyone, however, wish to use someone else's blog to sharpen and use his cruel inclinations?

It remeinds me of Will Cuppy's piece "The Scorpion":

"See the Scorpion. Will the Scorpion bite? No, if you are kind to the Scorpion, he will not bite you. He will sting you. Scorpions sting their prey ...to make it behave while they eat it."

[centralcal]

...Sue to mock anyone who doesn't agree with you and her girl gang.

Girl gang? Sad.

[Threadkiller]

Sara, did he apologize for the comment I linked? Did you read that comment? I don't think I would forget him asking forgiveness for that one.

[DrJ]

off

[boris]

Italiacto!

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

If you are going to dish it out ... don't be such a baby about getting some back.

Huh? I've never backed down and if you call the silliness of cc and Sue dishing it out, my goodness you've lived a protected life. If anyone is being a baby I would say it is them and DOT, who won't even admit he was wrong and went too far because his ego was bruised or some such.

[boris]

"you publicized his place of work, threatened to cause trouble for him there"

Funny thing how that's when cleo went "good".

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

TK: If you are talking about what he wrote today, I don't think that's a good example. As bad a shape as Cleo was in back then, it is certainly in the realm of possibility that he doesn't recall just how bad he really got. As to PUK, I know from first-hand fact that PUK had the most fun when he could take down Cleo and my own belief is that once we're dead and have moved on, we don't really care what someone says on an Internet blog.

[Danube of Thought]

"DOT, who won't even admit he was wrong "

I wasn't wrong. Disclosing the employment of a man who writes for publication is not wrong. If you think it is, cite me to some authority for that proposition. And why should publicizing what he writes cause trouble for him there? Sunshine is the best disinfectant, isn't it? Is there something in his writings he should be embarrassed or ashamed of? If so, please tell me what it is.

[Frau Ernst]

Thanks for offing my italics and apropos Italians-- It's time to go read more Aurelio Zen ("Sterben auf Italienisch"). Thank you, narciso.

As the Russians say, "Morning is wiser than the evening."

[boris]

"I don't think that's a good example"

And I will decide that for myself thank you.

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

Funny thing how that's when cleo went "good".

Is it? I don't think so. But even if it was, then why continue to criticize him. If the point was made, why keep making it ad nauseum?

AND DOT:

What part of publicizing what he writes is not the problem don't you understand? You asked people to cause trouble for him at his place of employment and not for what he writes politically, but because you can't get past something he said about private citizens that was nasty. It doesn't even make sense since he has already published his professional writings and they are there for all to read. But, despite your inability to see the difference, you were not talking about his professional writings. You know it, we all know it.

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

And I will decide that for myself thank you.

Well good for you. At least someone willing to think for themselves.

[Stephanie 'Kindred Spirit Sister']

Cleo's posting here, there, and everywhere of vile and intemperate comments is no different than a teenager posting pics of their tits on their facebook page or showing up anywhere in facebook/myspace/twitter in a photo drunk or holding a bong.

In all instances on the web it takes very little investigative work for an employer to uncover and use it to determine employability and in all instances they have no one but themselves to blame for the results.

I might add that in only in one of these occurrences is slack ever discussed and that only due to 'kids will do stupid things sometimes.' Adults should know better and are judged more harshly by employers when they aren't. Or did you forget the Weiner self immolation?

Karma is a harsh mistress.

[narciso]

Glad to recommend it, Frau,

[Clarice]

Sara, You might want to take frau's hint and give it a break for the night.

[boris]

"Is it? I don't think so. But even if it was, then why continue to criticize him"

You can't even acknowledge the basic facts of the matter yet take it upon yourself to castigate others?

[Threadkiller]

Didn't read the link. :-(

I hope the new cleo reads it.