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September 09, 2011

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Charlie (Colorado)

Not dolphins, I hope.

Pretty much all the delphinids, I'm afraid. They share with humans a willing ness to mate with pretty much anything.

Extraneus

Ace:

Like a crazed gambler, he just needs another extension of credit, because the next hour of betting, he's due for a big win.
Jim Rhoads a/k/a vnjagvet

That clip of the foul mouthed longshoreman should be Exhibit 1 in the contempt proceeding next week.. Kinda sets the tone doncha think.

Harry Bridges and Lee J. Cobb could not be reached for comment.

Clarice

Calling all JOM lawyers. Friends have suggested the govt seizure of Solyndra's books and records could tir up any Congressional investigation for 14 months.

I suppose anything DoJ has might be bollixed up for that long, but stuff in the hands of the DoE Inspector General? Your thoughts would be appreciated.

Extraneus

Everybody see honored guest Trumpka's latest comments?

In state after state this year—with the heroism of 9/11 less than a decade behind us—politicians targeted the paychecks, benefits and basic rights of these workers in a rabid campaign to shift government support to tax breaks for the wealthy and already profitable corporations.

Wealthy CEOs, anti-government extremist front groups and frothing talk show hosts—from the Rush Limbaughs and Glenn Becks to the Koch brothers, Karl Rove’s American Crossroads group, Americans for Prosperity, the Club for Growth, FreedomWorks and the American Legislative Exchange Council—also pushed open the door to hate.

The Koch brothers, no less.

Extraneus

I was wondering if that was the point, Clarice. "We can't comment on an ongoing investigation."

henry

Does DOE fall under Issa's committee? Or does someone more Duke and Duke head the oversight for them?

centralcal

Home from the beach. Missed President Pass the Damn Bill speech last night, due to a wonderful night out at the Shadowbrook.

Doesn't sound like he parted the waters or healed the planet. Did catch the first few minutes before departure when FLOTUS arrived in her too snug dress, showing off her no longer toned arms. Pheh!

In left coastal liberal land you will be heartened to know that POTUS was not on the cocktail lounge TV, but they did turn it on for pre-game NFL hoo haw.

To quote bad and Ann - Obama sucks. Don't see that improving any time soon.

Danube of Thought

Believe it or not, but I discovered last month that the pigeons are gone--completely gone--from Trafalgar Square. Seems Red Ken Livingstone instituted and enforced a stiff fine for feeding them, and after a while they wised up and went somewhere else.

Clarice

henry, I'm counting on you guys to do the work for me.

henry

Clarice, while I may have a sneaky thought or two I'm clueless on this one.

Ben Franklin

Speaking of 'paid for'........


"Ever since the Twin Towers fell, the United States has been at war. The costs of that decade of conflict have been unimaginably high: trillions of dollars spent, hundreds of thousands of lives lost. The numbers are almost too big to grasp, let alone quantify. The graphics below are our incomplete attempt to do so.

These figures are also a way of showing the radical transformation the U.S. military has undergone during the 9/11 era. Drones, once an afterthought in tactical plans, have become a central component, flying millions of hours in combat. Special operations forces have added tens of thousands to their ranks. Bomb-resistant armored vehicles, absent from the American arsenal in 2001, are now a primary means of battlefield transportation — even as Afghanistan’s militants find new ways to render them irrelevant.

We know how many American troops have been killed in this decade’s wars. How many Afghans and Iraqis have lost their lives isn’t clear. The United Nations only started keeping reliable statistics on Afghanistan’s casualties in 2007. The estimates for the number of dead Iraqis vary by 1,000 percent or more. And even if these conflicts last another 10 years, the final toll may never be known."


http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/

See the graphs.

Ben Franklin

Hit;

After weeks-long sabbatical, you return with a.......recipe?

BTW; Congrats on your 'Instalunch'.....

Frau Grammatik ist dein Freund

Ext.- the comma was not needed. "Everything he touches" is not an introductory phrase. The basic sentence is "Everthing turns to carp." This is not post-modern grammar, by the way. I make as many mistakes as others, but I hate it when I notice my own.

Ben Franklin

For DoT;

"Here’s what the White House fact sheet says about his call for infrastructure spending as part of his jobs bill.

Making an Immediate Investment in Our Roads, Rails and Airports: The President’s plan includes $50 billion in immediate investments for highways, transit, rail and aviation, helping to modernize an infrastructure that now receives a grade of “D” from the American Society of Civil Engineers and putting hundreds of thousands of construction workers back on the job."

http://www.emptywheel.net/

Let me try to clarify the situation for you re; infrastructure, since
you have such difficulty understanding the role of gubmint in
providing for 'the common welfare'.

Local, county, state governments operate in the vacuum of their
power structure and constituency. Reinventing the 'wheel' of
transportation and energy within each of those entities above, is not just wasteful, but unmanageably inefficient. If you want to
save money...coordinated efforts between agencies seems to be
the fiscally wise course. But then, you knew that already, because you are a smart guy....It's nice you are of financial means to circumvent the obstacles Joe Lunchbucket faces every day.


peter

Ben Franklin is back. The poll numbers must really be cratering!

Ben Franklin

"Ben Franklin is back. The poll numbers must really be cratering!"

More fevered imagineering......will Obama resign?

Frau Grammatik ist dein Freund

Why does Congress need to wait until the DoJ finishes an investigation? Was this done before the Clinton administration? A deadline could be issued to prevent the Democrats' classic delay, delay, delay used to prevent Congress from performing its oversight role.


Threadkiller

I keep seeing the same quote regarding Solyndra:

“Here’s the bottom line,” [solar industry analyst Peter] Lynch said. “It costs them $6 to make a unit. They’re selling it for $3. In order to be competitive today, they have to sell it for between $1.5 and $2. That is not a viable business plan.”

I have not found what the hell a “unit” is. I am assuming it is referring to a single cell.

What gives?

Sara (Pal2Pal)

BF: If you were advising him, what would you advise? Resign? Stay?

Rick Ballard

I don't see how the House can possibly fund any additional Presidential election projects projects until all aspects of the Solyndra affair have been completely examined and questions resolved to the satisfaction of the responsible committee. If that requires waiting until the DoJ produces all documents seized by the FBI pursuant to the search warrant executed upon Solyndra, well, that's really too bad.

Ranger

Making an Immediate Investment in Our Roads, Rails and Airports: The President’s plan includes $50 billion in immediate investments for highways, transit, rail and aviation, helping to modernize an infrastructure that now receives a grade of “D” from the American Society of Civil Engineers and putting hundreds of thousands of construction workers back on the job.

But I thought we did that in the first stimulus. In fact I disntictly remember Democrats keep repeating that the stimulus was about shovel ready infrastructure jobs. So, I guess with this proposal Obama is admitting that he was "just kidding" 2 1/2 years ago.

Jack is Back!

BF hasn't got a clue. I spent my working life in engineering construction including a stint in DC. We have no problem with our infrastructure that is not taken care of on a regular scheduled basis by our state, local and municipal public works or transportation departments. What do you think you pay all those gasoline taxes for - not just federal. This is a red herring and political scientists are not the most expert voices in this regard. States also take their highway and infrastructure funds and delay their use so they can put them to work on other things like keeping public union employees employed. Just like the Feds use the highway trust fund (federal gas tax) for thing other than filling the potholes. But somehow we survive and get the jobs done. No pain no gain. Tell me how many miles anyone has driven lately without running into some construction or maintenance going on.??

Ignatz

--providing for 'the common welfare'--

Do you consider not knowing what the preamble says a typo?

It's the "general welfare" and the "common defense".

Jane

What was the reason the FBI raided Soylandra and who told them to? Certainly the administration didn't request it. So how would that go?

Frau Grammatik ist dein Freund

Before I check out for today, this is for rse:

xlAA:
105. American Politics. This course covers a variety of issues at the forefront of political debate in the United States. It is a reading and writing intensive course. Readings come predominantly from leading intellectual journals and recent books. Students will be expected to write several short essays on the issues covered in the course such as the southernization of national politics, the privatization of the social safety net, the militarization of U.S. foreign policy, corporate and political corruption, economic polarization, the erosion of civil and human rights, the promise and limits of deliberative democracy, the state of the environment, the political influence of religious fundamentalists, homophobia in U.S. political culture, the aftermath of campaign finance reform, increasing government secrecy, polarization of the electorate, the rightward drift of the federal courts, and the “Texasization” of the U.S. education policy. Prerequisite: An introductory course in politics or American Studies is recommended, but not required. Fall, S*mant!cl*0

Just name that "college" and pass that bill.

narciso

It's like Conyers citing the 'Good and Plenty'
clause. The whole thing is so dada, all we need is the fur covered spoon,

Porchlight

TK,

I don't think he's saying the unit actually costs $6 to make. I think he's just using those small numbers to illustrate the ratios involved. He probably should have said "Imagine a unit costs them $6 to make..." etc. instead.

Porchlight

What would be the basis of the Big Comeback?

Rick,

I don't know. Certainly nothing currently evident. I just know they'll try to conjure it somehow. If the unemployment rate appears to be dropping, however small a drop and however slowly, they'll paint it as a big turnaround.

Ben Franklin

"If you were advising him, what would you advise? Resign? Stay?"


It is a conundrum. Who will replace him, Perry? I remember when
LBJ resigned. Nixon was the One.

Threadkiller

Widgets? I feel like Dangerfield in Back to School.

I would still like to find the real numbers and the "units" to which they apply.

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vnjagvet

I join in Ranger's remarks. In addition...

Let's assume for purposes of discussion that "state and local governments operate in the vacuum of power structure and constituency." How will adding another layer of power structure and constituency" improve the situation?

This line of argument also ignores the many major projects such as the Golden Gate, George Washington and Verrazano-Narrows Bridges, the Lincoln and Holland Tunnels all of which were state built and locally funded.

Ben Franklin

Ignatz;

Mistake. Please forgive the error. Now, how about the point, rather than the distraction?

Jane

I did a post a few days ago at YOU TOO: Where were you on 911. Please go and add your story:

Threadkiller

--"Tell me how many miles anyone has driven lately without running into some construction or maintenance going on.??"--

Traffic fines are doubled in a construction zone in California. There is more revenue in NOT completing repairs to our roads.

Specter

I have not found what the hell a “unit” is. I am assuming it is referring to a single cell.

I may be wrong, but I seem to remember that what they are talking about is the unit of energy - I think Kw. 'Course that could be just a random neuron firing...

Sara (Pal2Pal)

BF: If he resigns, we get Biden and if Biden resigned before appointing a VP, we'd get Boehner. If he loses, then I'd hope we would get Romney, not Perry, but I'm in the minority here on that one.

Jim Miller

"Bomb-resistant armored vehicles, absent from the American arsenal in 2001"

If someone told me that I guess I would start by showing him (or her) a picture of an M1 Abrams tank.

If I were in a good mood. (If I were in a bad mood I would just laugh.)

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vnjagvet

Correction:

The Lincoln Tunnel was a WPA project.

But all of those projects are also improved and maintained with state and local funds. The Holland Tunnel for about 90 years.

narciso

Didn't the D Day invasion force, run into trouble with the hedgerows in the French interior.

Rick Ballard

TK,

Ask Matt when he passes by. If I were forced to guess, I'd go with "unit" being a measure of output (kW produced?) and the $6, $3 and $2 being illustrative rather than actual.

Specter

It's actually the cost of a KwH. It's broken down this way to be able to compare the different types of energy generation.

Threadkiller

I tend to agree that it was an illustration. Although $2.00 a watt is a price I remember from the time I helped my brother put solar on his RV.

Why does this technology never get cheaper?

I think I know.

Ann

Welcome back, cc!
=============
I have the same question Jane has, namely, how did this not get quashed by the DOJ or one of those czar goons?

It is amazing it happened at all with this crowd.

============
Jane, I was just over at your site and was going to post a reminder for everyone. It was a great idea.

I will stop by sometime this weekend and tell everyone how my husband decided to start his own company on 9/10. Timing is everything. :(

Dave (in MA)
I remember when LBJ resigned.
Oddly, none of them look like Humphrey.
narciso
Jane

Thanks Ann,

Boy it's good to have you hanging around again.

Ben Franklin

"Traffic fines are doubled in a construction zone in California. There is more revenue in NOT completing repairs to our roads."

Not in San Diego (Coronado) where all is well for those who have chauffeurs.

Dave (in MA)

prez[3,2] looks like the guy that the person who uploads stuff to the jugeared cipher's teleprompter thinks founded the Republican party.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Oddly, none of them look like Humphrey.

Why should they? What am I missing?

scott

I read that as one standard 100mm x100mm cell/unit cost Solydra $6 to get out the door and the Chinese sell it for $1.50- $2. The various panel sizes are comprised of many of these cells/dies.

Ben Franklin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Works_Progress_Administration#Projects_funded

Of course it's not to say it can't be done without Federal coordination and funding....but the Will and the Wherewithal sometimes needs a nudge.


"In its eight year run, the WPA built 325 firehouses and renovated 2384 of them across the United States. The 20,000 miles of water mains, installed by their hand as well, no doubt aided in a more fire protected country.[19]

The direct focus of the WPA projects changed with need. 1935 saw projects aimed at infrastructure improvement; roads, bringing electricity to rural areas, water conservation, sanitation and flood control. In 1936, as outlined in that year’s Emergency Relief Appropriations Act, public facilities became a focus; parks, buildings, utilities, airports, and transportation projects were funded. The following year, saw the introduction of agricultural pursuits in projects such as the production of marl fertilizer and the eradication of fungus pests. As the Second World War approached, and then eventually began, WPA projects became increasingly defense related.[20]

Not to mention Hoover Dam.........

Nancy Blair, state supervisor of the South Carolina WPA Library Project, inspecting a model of a bookmobile.
One project of the WPA was funding state-level library service demonstration projects, which aimed to create new areas of library service to underserved populations and extend rural service.[21] Another project was the Household Service Demonstration Project, which trained 30,000 women for domestic employment.

South Carolina had one of the larger state-wide library service demonstration projects. At the end of the project in 1943, South Carolina had twelve publicly funded county libraries, one regional library, and a funded state library agency.[22]

During the middle of the Great Depression, the Elizabethton, Tennessee city government utilized labor and resources provided by WPA to complete a newly established, nine hole municipal golf course on seventy acres of land that was deeded in 1936 to the city for $1.00 by local golfers.[23]

Wyandotte County Lake, in Kansas City KS was apart of the New Deal Act proposed by President Roosevelt. The construction of the lake was a way for residents to seek employment while providing a method of water conservation for Wyandotte County. Construction on the lake started in 1936 and it wasn’t fully complete until 1943. The WPA was very hesitant about approval and in March Frank Holcomb, Chairman of the County Commissioners was opposed to any large additional expenses. However, as negotiations cleared the way, some work was restarted in the summer of 1938 on shop buildings, etc. Summer pay scales in 1938 were: Skilled workers (69 hours per month) = $78.66, Semi-skilled workers (79 hours per month) = $62.40, Unskilled workers (107 hours per month) = $49.25. During the winter of 1938, approval for the rebuilding came from President Roosevelt for the necessary WPA money. New dam plans called for the construction to be just south of the original dam. Army Corp engineers worked 18 hours a day monitoring every step, which included spreading the dam out to absorb weight. In February 1941, the announcement was made that the county would become owner and maintainer of the park by the WPA.[24]"

Threadkiller

Scott, are you screwing with me?

Where did you read that? My Google skills are failing.

Ann

xxxooo, Jane

I got what cc has....a JOM fever. Missed all of you and am delighted to be back.

I have something for your partner's kids. Halloween natch :) Need your address if you don't mind sending it to me at annatjom@gmail.com. It is very fun.

Specter

An older article on solar costs here. It shows this chart: So maybe it is panel cost they are talking about.

Clarice

OK--Here's the answer.
Jane, apparently the govt --at the behest of the DoE Inspector General--is looking into whether Solyndra made false representations to the govt--or so the articles say.

My husband was once chief counsel of the Senate Investigations Subcommittee and he says that while the Administration can claim privilege based on an ongoing investigation, Congress is free to proceed without their cooperation. Congressional investigators might not get access to all the seized documents, but they can go ahead.

henry

Jane, I think I'm in your comment limbo at You Too. That or comment #13 is somehow jinxed. : )

PD

Who is a piker compared to the Two Fat Ladies.

If you want a fat cooking lady, watch "City Island" sometime.

Clarice

I read what scott did about the loss per unit on each solar cell and cited it last Sunday. You can check if I included a link to it.

scott

No, I'm not TK. I'm an EE with some electronics manufacturing knowledge/experience. That's just my first take on it. He's talking about a deliverable unit not energy. I could be wrong but I don't think so.

hit and run

Mr. Clarice is my favorite.

hit and run

After weeks-long sabbatical, you return with a.......recipe?

Well,I've been "back" for a few days so the recipe wasn't the first comment upon return.

But it does remind me of the Whole Roasted Jackass Butt recipe. Mmmmm, love that recipe!

Specter

So why the non-progress in solar? Could it be that since they were being so heavily subsidized that they didn't need to innovate and make things better?

PD

But I thought we did that in the first stimulus. In fact I disntictly remember Democrats keep repeating that the stimulus was about shovel ready infrastructure jobs. So, I guess with this proposal Obama is admitting that he was "just kidding" 2 1/2 years ago.

Right. So why should anyone believe him this time?

Congressional R's should say to Obama: We believe you are an abject liar and we will not fund any of your lies.

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vnjagvet

Interesting Ben, but not responsive.

Name me one project built under the ARRA anywhere near the scope of the WPA projects listed in your Wikipedia cut and paste job.

DrJ

So why the non-progress in solar?

This sort of photoelectrochemistry fundamentally is hard. Yes, there are tradeoffs between efficiency and cost (partially a materials and processing issue), but improving the fundamentals is very slow.

Rick Ballard

It appears that cost per Watt is some sort of standard with the cited article giving $4-$7 as a current range.

Jane

Ann,

I sent 2 emails because I forgot my address in teh first one.

Clarice is the DOE an Obama appointee?

henry, I will go check. I figured out where they are going

Threadkiller

--"So why the non-progress in solar? Could it be that since they were being so heavily subsidized that they didn't need to innovate and make things better?"--

Bingo!

Jane

Fixed it Henry!

henry

Thanks Jane.

Specter

Bingo!

Well...that's what ya get when there is no real business experience in those doing the funding...just "pipeless" dreams...

DrJ - That is true. They haven't "found" the right combination that gets toward low cost generation. But, the influx of free money stifles...well...let's say slows down...the incentive to keep experimenting.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

My Dad was a project manager for this project which my parents said brought both the city and them out of the Great Depression.

The great storm of March 1936 unleashed floodwaters that ravaged the northeast and video mid-Atlantic states. Pennsylvania suffered the most damage. Floods killed eighty-four Pennsylvanians and destroyed or damaged more than 82,000 buildings. Flooding along the banks of the Susquehanna River caused $67 million worth of damage and forced 6,000 residents to evacuate the town of Sunbury, two-thirds of which was covered with water. In Pittsburgh the lack of potable water, electricity, and telephone service paralyzed the city, and buildings burned to the waterline because fire trucks could not navigate flooded streets.

In response to the devastation, Congress overwhelmingly passed and President Roosevelt signed into law the Flood Control Act of 1936, which unleashed a flurry of federally sponsored dam-building on Pennsylvania's rivers. The largest project was at Johnstown, where the Army Corps of Engineers between 1938 and 1943 constructed what was then the nation's largest flood-control system. To deepen and realign the channels of the Stonycreek and Little Conemaugh, the Corps excavated three million cubic yards of earth and rock, and built nine miles of side slopes with enough concrete to pave a two-lane highway sixty-two miles long.

In the twentieth century, the United States created the most extensive and elaborate system of water projects on earth. When completed in 1943, the Johnstown Local Flood Protection Project (JLFPP) joined a nationwide system of 8,000 dams and 25,000 miles of inland and intra-coastal navigation channels that included more than 200 locks and dams, tens of thousands of groundwater pumps, and millions of miles of canals, pipes, and tunnels.

centralcal

Cool! What would Halloween be without our creative Ann? Boring!

Threadkiller

DrJ, This is a favorite of mine.

centralcal

Now, I am so thrilled to have my own bed and favorite pillow back, that even JOM withdrawal cannot pull me away. See ya manana :)

Danube of Thought

How do we suppose Dana took the news that the massive power outage, unprecedented in Southern California, had nothing to do with infrastructure in general or the power grid in particular: it was caused by the intervention of a doltish government employee. We cannot know how he took it, because since his uninformed and erroneous speculation that the grid had "crashed" he has dummied up altogether on the subject. Who can blame him? And who can resist a lusty "woot, woot?"

Now we get from Dana a barely coherent complaint about the sorry state of California roads. But the state of retired California government employees with fabulous pensions and healthcare benefits is not sorry at all. California's political class has made its choices, and who can be surprised if road repair doesn't fare well in competition with the demands of the public employee unions?

PD

Here in Ennis, we went to "20 Below" for dinner. You go in off Main St. to the Longbranch Saloon, walk straight through to the back, and there is the restaurant. (Maybe this is a common arrangement here, I noticed walking back to the motel that there was also a saloon + chinese restaurant (how about that combo?) with the saloon in front and the restaurant in back.)

Special was a 22 oz. hickory-smoked ribeye, $25. Well, that's too much meat so we split it, My half came shaped something like the country of Italy; nevertheless, it tasted like steak and not spaghetti! Mmm. It was still so much, we're waiting for our stomachs to reach their refractory period so we can go get dessert.


Oh, and my sweetie is in hysterics reading the comments on the pea recipe. That is, READING THEM OUT LOUD TO ME while I'm trying to concentrate on some serious JOM reading. Thanks a lot, hit.

Danube of Thought

"Not to mention Hoover Dam........."

Not much point in mentioning it. As has been discussed here (and as Democrats have boasted), there will never be anothe dam built in this country.

Stephanie 'Kindred Spirit Sister'

They didn't just raid the offices of Solyndra...

Federal agents have expanded their examination of the now-bankrupt California solar power company Solyndra, visiting the homes of the company's CEO and two of its executives, examining computer files and documents, iWatch News and ABC News have learned.

Agents visited the homes of CEO Brian Harrison and company founder Chris Gronet and a former executive, according to a source who agreed to speak only on the condition of anonymity because of the legal sensitivity of the situation.

LUN

Specter

They didn't just raid the offices of Solyndra...

If only Barry had given them another $1B, I'm sure they could've done more...

Pass the Bill!!

Danube of Thought

Jobs, jobs, jobs:

"In a news release last week, the Environmental Protection Agency labeled hay a pollutant, according to the Ranchers-Cattlemen Action Legal Fund, United Stockgrowers of America (R-CALF USA). A non-profit organization representing thousands of U.S. cattle producers, R-CALF USA says the EPA’s outlandish affidavit could potentially require farmers and ranchers to store hay in pollution containment zones."

Well, think of all the wranglers who'll be needed to tote them bales to their proper zones. I'm seeing 400,000 jobs, almost immediately.

DrJ

the influx of free money stifles...well...let's say slows down...the incentive to keep experimenting.

I have many friends and colleagues in this field in academia who have everything to gain from finding the next breakthrough in PVs. They are first-rate scientists with no political agendas. Their slog has been slow.

I spent five years in a closely-related area of photoelectrochemistry where those practitioners scampered when the PV research funding was slow. I know how hard some of this work is.

You can be cynical about technical progress in the area, but please be humble about what our understanding allows, or what might even be feasible.

Stephanie 'Kindred Spirit Sister'

For DoT: Bush troubles. Damned if I can find the original offending pics though.

Damn Donald Trump!

LUN

Clarice

I assume you mean this, Jane:

"Clarice is the DOE [Inspector General] an Obama appointee?"
If so, the answer is apparently no as the DoE website has him making an appearance as IG as early as 1999.

Jane

Hmmm - well that is very good news.

Stephanie 'Kindred Spirit Sister'

Success.

She's denying the story and claiming she is not commando. LOL.

LUN

hit and run

c-cal:
Cool! What would Halloween be without our creative Ann? Boring!

Indeed . . . Ann's 2008 Halloween:

R.I.P. Hope and Change

hit and run

PD:
Thanks a lot, hit.

It was my great pleasure.

All we are saying . . . is give peas a chance.

Specter

DrJ:

Don't misunderstand. I actually do have a basic understanding the chemistry and physics behind this. And I know that progress has been slow - and not because those truly dedicated to the research have been lollygagging but because of the difficulty in finding the correct materials to efficiently convert sunlight (photons if you wish)to energy.

But - when someone is subsidized to develop and the money seems never ending, then the incentive to progress is lessened...or maybe slowed.

Do I believe more research is a worthwhile endeavor? Yes. But we are far from making it a marketable resource. And that's where my emphasis was.

hit and run

Specter:
Pass the Bill!!

As far as Obama's near-obsession with the "Pass this bill!" lines in his speech last night...

Well.

It's a "stop me if you've heard this before" moment,if you will.

ARRA made it out of Congress on Feb 13, (2009) the same night Obama and the First Lady hosted a concert honoring Stevie Wonder at the White House and one day before Obama and the First Lady had a wonderful Valentine's Day dinner in Chicago. It was four days before Obama signed the act into law.

That's how important it was to pass that bill now! Concerts and dates took precedence over actually signing the bill into law.

Ann

Oh carp, cc.
Joe Scarborough could of sung you to sleep. :)

http://www.hulu.com/watch/276055/the-view-joe-scarborough-performs

JOM: You must watch this performance if you missed it. I was taking a nap and woke up laughing hysterically . Mika's partner in crime at MSNBC, Joe Scarborough. The so called conservative, know it all, that couldn't sell a book, thinks he can write songs and sing. Oh yeah, he thinks Sarah Palin is STUPID.

Your weekend entertainment!

DrJ

Do I believe more research is a worthwhile endeavor? Yes. But we are far from making it a marketable resource.

I agree. In general I support the role of the federal government in funding fundamental research. The commercialization can be done by the private sector. There is no way Solyndra needed $535 million from the feds. The VCs and other partners can do that.

PD

Solyndra's no problem. A Dem Senator has the solution for the ailing solar industry. [link]

Basically, it's Smoot-Hawley.

Ignatz

--In a news release last week, the Environmental Protection Agency labeled hay a pollutant, according to the Ranchers-Cattlemen Action Legal Fund, United Stockgrowers of America (R-CALF USA).--

They must be trying to be abolished not just reigned in.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Let me counter Ann with this as a palate cleanser.

Specter

In general I support the role of the federal government in funding fundamental research.

Hard science research has it's purpose - it is the fundamental that drives a lot of innovation. And I agree that is a proper place for federal money. Think how far that $535M could have gone in basic research.

Ignatz

--Ignatz;

Mistake. Please forgive the error. Now, how about the point, rather than the distraction?--

Hard to tell what the point is.
There should be cooperation twixt the Feds state and counties on fixing roads?
There already is.
The future means of transportation and energy should be centrally planned by the government rather than decided by the market?
Idiotic. Do we really need some soviet five year plans?
Isn't the boondoggle of the CA bullet train to nowhere, which even libs are going soft on, a bad enough example of fed/state cooperation on trans/energy?

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Ignatz: Some metrosexual wimp had to drive thru cattle country and sneezed, so, of course, he had to run back to DC and institute some kind of reg.

Captain Hate

I'll never look at dolphins the same again.

Sad to say, because dolphins seem so friendly and are intelligent animals, packs of young males can exhibit thuggish behavior, including setting upon solitary females with a youngster and attacking her sexually and often killing the young one.

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