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September 30, 2011

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Clarice

"It's possible that Obama is a victim of lefty epistemic closure"

That's my guess.
Obama AND Holder.

Captain Hate

it would give him an excuse to give the people what they want.

What would the founding fathers think about that sentence fragment?

maryrose

Obama and company are delusional about Obamacare. I'll never forget the fake USA TODAY poll right after they sneakily passed it on Christmas Eve giving it a 52% approval rating.

daddy

From a Roger Kimball post today at PJ Media:

"Cato the Elder used to end his speeches with the exhortation “Carthago delenda est,” “Carthage must be destroyed.” A friend suggested a fitting imperative for our times: OMG, “Obama must go.” I like it and plan on using it myself. I encourage others to follow suit.

OMG!"

Great minds...

Ranger

Well, a lot of the Ruling Class legal professorate didn't see any individual right in the Second Ammendment either. Not quite how it worked out with the court though.

Clarice

Speaking of lefty epistemic closure, here's Heritage on the energy loan guarantees.http://blog.heritage.org/2011/09/30/morning-bell-the-solyndra-legacies/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Morning%2BBell

Benjamin Franklin

"What I can’t figure out, though, is why O would run the risk of the mandate being struck down before the election."

I think they are pretty confident the lower court erred.

jimmyk

the Court, by removing the threat of the law, or at least the mandate, on constitutional grounds, would remove a big reason to oppose Obama, no?

A strange argument. If someone attacks me but is prevented from harming me, I should consider the attacker no longer a threat and invite him for dinner? Why wouldn't I think he'll just try again?

MarkO

"I think they are pretty confident the lower court erred."

I told you. He's just not that smart.

Ignatz

--Here is Orin Kerr predicting that the mandate will be upheld with 6 to 8 votes (Thomas is his only sure "no".) Eva Rodriguez at the WaPo makes a similar calculation, as does Robert Barnes.--

If they're right then there are two steps to preserve the Republic;
1.Impeach every one of the creeps who vote to stand the Constitution on its head and to grant the Feds limitless power over our lives and;
2. Force an amendment through defining and limiting the commerce clause to its original purpose and scope.

Not sure either could possibly occur but an utterly unleashed national government will eventually end the US as a 'going concern' to quote the Solyndra accountants, regardless of whether Barry and the Dems are buried next year.

Steve C.

It's a crap shoot no matter how it turns out. We don't live in a static world. Lots of things could happen between now and the time the case is argued and the ruling is made.

Not that I'm predicting this, but face it, the USSC is stocked with mostly old people. What happens if one of them dies, or has a debilitating stroke?

Army of Davids

As the economy continues it's malaise expect Republicans to ratchet up the ObamaCare link to the weak job creation.

Obama has created a huge political club that will be used to beat him over the head time and time again. And there are so many directions he can get hit from w/ it.

ObamaCare's poll numbers will continue to drop....and w/ them so will Obama.


Ranger

Well, at some point I had the image of Obama signing the repeal of Obamacare in the summer of 2012 to trying and make himself a viable candidate again. I can now see how that might happen.

The SC strikes down the mandate, but severs it from the rest of Obamacare. The law becomes even more of a train wreck then before, and the Health Care Industry needs it repealed desperately. The Republican house passes a total repeal bill, with lots of Dem votes in support. The Dem senate doesn't want to vote, but an uprising by the Dems facing re-election forces Dingy Harry's hand. Obama signs the repeal after the Dem convention, but before Labor Day, in an effort to convince independents he's the pragmatist they thought they voted for in 2008.

Captain Hate

As the economy continues it's malaise expect Republicans to ratchet up the ObamaCare link to the weak job creation.

Ratchet up? I've been waiting for them to move off of zero all year. They have the facts on their side yet do essentially nothing.

Danube of Thought

I continue to think it's more likely than not that the law will be upheld. And that really makes me sick.

I wonder if the Supremes might punt it to the 2013 calendar and hope the election moots the whole thing.

Ranger

Althouse has an interesting take:

Should Obama hope he loses the Obamacare case in the Supreme Court?

Her take on what the court will do:

By the way, I think the decision in the case is likely to track the will of the people, as perceived by the Court. So, it's important to advocates to create the appearance of public acceptance or public outrage over the law. This demonstration of public opinion should happen anyway as the presidential campaigns move forward....

Thinking through all these permutations, I'm guessing the Supreme Court will strike down the individual mandate. The existing doctrine doesn't require that outcome, but I'm reading the political forces at play and assessing the Court's vulnerability to those forces, and that's my interpretation.

I kind of agree with that, but for slightly different reasons. The justices value nothing more than their personal reputations and hisrotical legacies. I think Kelo put a very bad taste in the mouths of most of the court, when they saw how negativly it was recieved by the population, and then the project itself never happened.

They don't want to make a decision that will anger the general population in this case. They know they would be villified for generations if they do.

sbw

Carthage is apt, with Obama salting the countryside.

Danube of Thought

I think they are very reluctant to (1) render opinions that are highly charged politically (they hated to be faced with (Bush v. Gore) and (2) strike down federal legislation.

daddy

Any of you guys have little kids that draw on the walls?

Apparently it's not a new problem.

Clarice

DoT, I do not remember a single piece of legislation rammed thru like this on so important an issue and one which has and still generates so much fury. I'm with Althouse.

Dave (in MA)
it would give him an excuse to give the people what they want.

What would the founding fathers think about that sentence fragment?

What they want being necessary to the satisfaction of a complacent State, the right of the People to have what they want shall not be infringed, or something.

Thomas Collins

The whackos are going to be disrupting things around where I work today. See LUN.

These nutjobs obviously have no clue what "Wall Street" really is. Most folks in the financial sector are hard working types. The crony capitalists are the ones enabled by Obama and Geithner and certain members of Congress. These whackos should march on the White House and the Treasury Department and the Congressional offices of Barney Frank.

Captain Hate

Uh-oh http://jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com/2011/09/obama-now-under-water-in-connecticut.html

Ike

I doubt that 'legitimacy' is of any concern whatever with President Obama or his inner circle. Their (and his) only concern is to gain re-election to the office of POTUS and, if possible without decreasing the chances of that, get more Democrats elected to the House and Senate so the era of hope and change might continue, per ominia secula seculorum.

daddy

Stupid question I know, but I'll ask it anyway.

Does any politician in Chicago ever obey the law?

Carol Moseley Braun failed to file documentation on how campaign spent $315K.

Jane

I think it only matters what Kennedy does, and Roberts et al will try to issue the narrowest decision possible so he will jump on board. The question to me is how isolated from reality Kennedy is. If he pays attention to what is going on in the country, I have more confidence he will go the right way.

Porchlight

I like OMG (Sandy Daze!) but "Obama delenda est" works too.

Sue

daddy,

You always find such interesting stories. Thanks for linking to the finger painting.

Extraneus

Reuters: Huckabee thinking of jumping into presidential race

Sue

Ex,

The thud you heard about 10 minutes ago was me hitting the floor when I read that story.

centralcal

Yep, the thud was Sue and the retching was me.

Extraneus

Yeah, I just got of a whiff of the smelling salts at end of the other thread.

Captain Hate

I have defense mechanisms set up to keep the thought of Huckabee being a candidate from ever being perceived; otherwise I'd never be able to go to my happy place.

Old Lurker

"or has a debilitating stroke?"

I'm not sure how we could tell the difference.

I share Iggy's 1:54 analysis.

If this goes against us, and certainly at 6-8:1, we are toast.

peter

Can somebody please tell me what epistemic closure is again? contagious or no?

DebinNC

Huckabee was almost maniacal in his hatred of Romney last time. Hard to see why he'd help him now by weakening Perry, unless his FOX ratings are down and he's thinking of taking his dimples over to MSNBC.

Old Lurker

DoT I sure hope you are wrong in that prediction at 2:14 and if you are right and for the reasons in your 2:25, then they have abdicated their most important function under the Constitution(though that document becomes meaningless if they rule to uphold in my opinion.). What the hell good are they if they will not reject over-reaching legislation? And did they not get lifetime appointments just so they would not have to worry about politics?

Porchlight

Can somebody please tell me what epistemic closure is again? contagious or no?

Living in a bubble/echo chamber. The definitive example is Pauline Kael's famous line after Nixon's election.

I would say that there is a slight chance of contagion, yes.

Thomas Collins

I'll bet you one thing: this combination of layabouts, public sector union types taking a day off of work, and trust funders with nothing better to do won't be protesting is the US Energy Department rewarding the connected with "green" loans. I don't expect to see any "Special Prosecutor For Solyndra signs.

Thomas Collins

I'll bet you one thing: this combination of layabouts, public sector union types taking a day off of work, and trust funders with nothing better to do won't be protesting is the US Energy Department rewarding the connected with "green" loans. I don't expect to see any "Special Prosecutor For Solyndra signs.

Thomas Collins

I'll bet you one thing: this combination of layabouts, public sector union types taking a day off of work, and trust funders with nothing better to do won't be protesting is the US Energy Department rewarding the connected with "green" loans. I don't expect to see any "Special Prosecutor For Solyndra signs.

Old Lurker

I'm so depressed with DoT's prediction I don't think it matters if Huckabee gets in. There won't be much to save regardless of who wins.

Old Lurker

TC...all of us have hit doubles from time to time, but how did you pull off a triple?

Danube of Thought

OL, I'm as pasionate as anyone here (or anywhere) in my desire to see this law go away, by whatever means. In saying how I think it will be decided, I'm doing my best to keep my personal wishes out of it.

And I'm the first to admit that I don't have much confidense at all in any predictions made on the subject by anyone, including me.

Sue

Huckabee hates Perry more than he hates Romney. For what it's worth. And for what it's worth, I hate Huckabee more than I hate Ron Paul.

Thomas Collins

My prediction is the individual mandate is croaked, but the rest of the law is upheld. If this is the result, the issue of how to finance ObamaCare will be front and center in the Election of 2012. It should be front and center anyway, because there is no rational basis to conclude that the current funding mechanisms in ObamaCare, including without limitation the individual mandate, will be sufficient to fund the monstrosity. But a SCOTUS decision to croak the mandate and uphold the rest of ObamaCare will focus folks' attention.

jack is Back!

Actually, if you want to be true to Latin:

Obama eundum - Obama Quisque sed

[Obama must go - Anyone but Obama]

OMG - ABO

/catholic altar boy for life

Extraneus

My prediction is the individual mandate is croaked, but the rest of the law is upheld.

Will they overturn Wickard?

Old Lurker

I don't hate anybody on our side.

Except Huckabee.

Oh wait. He's not on our side is he?

DebinNC

All these Dem senators voted against the repeal amendment in Feb.: Jon Tester (Mont.), Ben Nelson​ (Neb.), Sherrod Brown​ (Ohio), Bob Casey Jr​. (Pa.), Debbie Stabenow​ (Mich.), Amy Klobuchar​ (Minn.), Bill Nelson​ (Fla.), Joe Manchin​ (W. Va.), Claire McCaskill​ (Mo.), and Jeff Bingaman​ (N.M.). Plus, Jim Webb and Herb Kohl who aren't running, but their stench will waft over their Dem. wannabe replacements.

Old Lurker

TC I like your prediction more than DoT's so I'm going with you this time. :-)

But "how to finance" is a phrase meaningful only to organizations which budget for things. So that does not seem to apply in this case, right?

Ranger

Not entirely off topic:

Americans Give GOP Edge in Handling Nation's Problems

I'm pretty sure that shoving Obamacare down the country's throat when 70% didn't want it passed is a big part of why.

Thomas Collins

At this point, OL, the future "budget" of the federal government, according to the present course, appears to be a combination of the printing press and increasingly higher taxes.

By the way, OL, I don't know how I hit a triple. After hitting preview, the swirling dots wouldn't stop, so I hit preview again, then edit, then post. I only hit post once, but three of a kind came up Perhaps I should go to Foxwoods' poker room tonight!

jack is Back!

Deb,

Well, Tester is in big trouble in Montana as is Ben Nelson and Sherrod Brown. I know that if Florida continues to go down on the Dems then Nelson is cooked. Especially, since he couldn't save NASA at KSC. We are losing over 20K jobs direct and indirect and that part of Florida is Republican including Orlando which is where all the MSM NASA cheerleaders are domiciled. I also understand McCaskill is very vulnerable as is Manchin because he can't keep the EPA from destroying coal jobs in WV.

This is why I don't buy the theory that if the Supremes squash the mandate and kill the bill that it helps Obama and the Dems. They were going to be remembered for more than ObamaCare. BoA is blaming Frank-Dodd and other legislation for raising fees on debit cards and there will be more to follow from other businesses.

Their only hope is some sort of Black Swan event and more and more they are praying for such a thing. I don't know if the Obamacrats are smart enough to "wag the dog" but don't be surprised we have such a event - staged or for real.

jimmyk

My prediction is the individual mandate is croaked, but the rest of the law is upheld.

TC, How do they declare only the mandate unconstitutional if it's not severable from the rest of the law?

Extraneus

The high point.

Sue

What one earth possessed these fools to act like that? They look so silly.

Sue

I wonder who thought up the idea of Pelosi carrying the gavel? And in retrospect, do they want a do-over?

Ignatz

--How do they declare only the mandate unconstitutional if it's not severable from the rest of the law?--

This Redstate link might help.

MarkO

I see it 5-4 but I don't know just how the vote goes. I also see it as unconstitutional, but I’m not nearly so inventive as to have found penumbras emanating from anything. I think, were I to have written that opinion, I would have been embarrassed so to do. It takes a certain kind of mind to read the Constitution to permit the Federal government to require the purchase of a named product from the marketplace.

Were I to draft an opinion, I would certainly include the observation that this convoluted, Rube Goldberg legislation exists in this form only because it would have been impossible for the Congress to pass such Legislation funded, like other welfare measures here and in other nations, by general taxes. To me, that takes away from the argument that Legislation should be respected. There is nothing about this bill that deserves the respect of other, similar legislation.

daddy

Another story (from The Hill this time), talking about Enviro groups suing to shut down Drilling in Alaska. Green groups sue Interior to thwart Shell’s Arctic drilling.

We keep hearing headlines of the Fed's giving approval, but then when you read the details you see stuff like this buried within:

"The lawsuit, filed with the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, comes nearly two months after Interior approved the oil giant’s exploration plan for the Beaufort Sea.
But even with that approval in hand, the company needs several other approvals to conduct operations, such as Interior drilling permits."

So they still need further permits from the Fed's, and this new Enviro suit is just icing on the cake.

Just to refresh: If it's new exploratory drilling, as in the Chukchi, then Shell has to have complete permission to do the drilling by about 31 December in order to do all the expensive logistics work required to get the men and materials moved up for the short Drilling Season. If that doesn't happen, then they don't spend the millions of dollars fruitlessly, waiting in limbo for the Fed's or the latest Law Suit to be concluded in their favor.

This latest Law Suit is once again filed with the 9th Circuit Court, traditional nut-jobs in deciding these Enviro cases, so I will be truly surprised if all these roadblocks are removed prior to Shell's drop-dead dates. As for when Shell can expect to win permission for these other Federal "Interior Drilling Permits" , your guess is as good as mine, but I'm guessing its sometime well after 31 December.

Uncle BigBad

Sue, I'm with you. If Christie gets in and takes votes away from Romney, it's only logical that Huckabee gets in and takes votes away from Perry (and maybe Cain).

Always remember what Phyllis Schlafly said: Huckabee destroyed conservatism in Arkansas.

caro

All losses from green energy loan guarantees should be deducted immediately from the DoEnergy budget.

RichatUF

caro-

Or Dem campaign coffers. So is Chu going to be spending more quality time with the family starting this weekend?

Extraneus

Hey, daddy... If you have time I'd be interested in your take on how much influence a new president -- committed to drilling, with an EPA director who takes orders -- could have, considering all the other obstacles you've described for us.

centralcal

Put an icebag on the knot Sue got on her head when she hit the floor - according to Twitter, Huckabee told Cavuto it's "news to him" that he planning a comeback in 2012!

Please God, let that be true.

maryrose

caro:
You are exactly right. Why should the taxpayer be on the hook for Obama's day tradingwith energy companies. Get ready for Chu to take the fall. According to Carney ,Obama is clueless as usual.
I immediately thought of Sue when the possibility of the Huckster was cited. Christie gets in ,Perry fades, Romney and Christie duke it out with either Cain or Rubio as VP.
OT Huckabee has Romney as his guest on his show Saturday. I'm going to watch just for fun and will report back later.

Ignatz

--All losses from green energy loan guarantees should be deducted immediately from the DoEnergy budget.--

Some of the most important things the Repubs could do if they take congress and the WH is institute loser pays for these enviro suits, remove the mechanisms by which many of these enviro suits are actually funded by the taxpayers, amend the law to deny standing to any goof ball green with a lawyer and a check book and cut off all fed funding to these creeps and their little shake down organizations.

daddy

Since its Friday Night & Happy Hour already back on the East Coast...

TONIGHT THE BOTTLE DIDN"T LET ME DOWN:

Australian Beetle's beer bottle sex wins 2011 Ig Nobel Prize!

"certain Australian beetles will try to copulate with discarded beer bottles, but they have to be of the right type - brown ones with bobbly bits on them...The stipples on the bottles may have been confused for markings on females' wing covers," say the Grand Prize winning entomologists, Darryl Gwynne and David Rentz.

Even better news: "Male buprestid beetles take a fancy to brown "stubbies", but will ignore green wine bottles."

Can't accuse Male buprestid beetles of "being soft" then, can you Obama.

No word on if our Researchers who ran Shrimp on Treadmills are bummed that they didn't even get a mention. Oh well, there's always a bit of unfairness in these Nobel Prize events.

In honor of the Male Busprestid, I think its time for Merle Haggard to update this tune.

Kayyyyyyyy...


Extraneus

I think Clarice posted a link to Legal Insurrection on the other thread, which described Juan Williams' theory that the only way Christie gets in is to stop Palin if she gets in.

None of those [poll] numbers will matter if Palin gets in the race. She will become a media sensation. The rest of the field will be an afterthought. That is the moment when the Republican political establishment will send out the call for the one remaining political star on the GOP side who can take the spotlight away from Palin. That candidate is Gov. Christie.
Interesting theory, supported by Rush's observation that the Establishment isn't begging Rubio to get in, but it assumes that Christie is a loyal soldier of the Establishment. Is there any evidence for that, besides the claim that he's been asked by Republicans he "idolizes": Nancy Reagan, Kissinger and GWB? It also assumes that Christie would crush Romney, rather than splitting his vote.

I think Christie intends to get in, regardless, and is just looking for a good excuse. I also think Rubio would kick Obama's ass in spectacular fashion.

daddy

Ext,

Just saw your comment.

Off the top, I think a new Pres and EPA Administrator could immediately reverse the roadblocks placed in front of Industry by Federal Regulations and Permitting.

As for the Legal suits, thats a different matter, but I do know, according to our State Politicians who were on Talk Radio yesterday, that due to a current glitch in the Legal code, these people who bring these Lawsuits, if they are supposedly under "The Common Good", are exempt from having to pay any significant fee's when their Lawsuits keep going down the tubes ie meaning there is no economic penalty for them to keep doing these things, whereas for Shell to fight back and to delay, causes ultimately untold millions and billions. It is a rigged racket at the moment and as IANAL I leave that to our JOM Legal folks to look for possible solutions.

Interesting talk yesterday was that returning from Norway a Legislator said that over there, once the Permitting Process is approved, then that is the end of the story. The battle is enjoined at the point of the Permitting Process, and once it has been successfully argued and approved, or disapproved, then that is the end of the matter and Lawsuits don't enter into it.

narciso

I did Ext, on the Fast and Furious thread, I don't know about the Alaskan Wilderness League
in particular, but the Center for Biological
Diversity, certain 'bigfoots' any claims that
might remotely involve resource development, daddy.

Extraneus

Interesting post on the Ig Nobel award. I'd like to learn more about the Medicine Prize:

Shared by two teams whose independent research jointly established that people make better decisions about some kinds of things, but worse decisions about other kinds of things‚ when they have a strong urge to urinate.
rse

OL & DOT-

I posted an LUN on the Fast and Furious thread to Redevelopment:The Unknown Govt that will interest each of you. This morning about 10:30.

Man Tran-Please give Rosa Koire and Agenda 21 all the publicity you can. I knew about Agenda 21 and sustainability but the redevelopment districts and everything she describes fits into my broader picture like somebody was working off the same blueprint I have sculpted.

Her insight that it starts with the regional transportation plans puts more things into context.

Thanks for thinking of me. If you think it's related, it's almost always another symptom of the disease I am familiar with.

Pops

Perry is finished. His stance on illegal migrants has done him in. You can't write a check for 100,000 per illgal alien of citizens tax money for them to go to college while telling American citizens kids they need to pay 100K more.

He's never going to sell it.

Now on Fox he turns around and points to his support to not give illgegals drivers licenses....Duhhh? How do they get to school Mr. Perry? So they are driving to school with no insurance because they don't have a license and they run into people...hello.

Extraneus

Spanish-Owned Firm Receives $132 Million Loan Guarantee From Energy Department

Just one day before the controversial federal loan program that backed bankrupt solar company Solyndra was to end, a Spanish-owned firm received a $132 million loan guarantee.

Energy Secretary Steven Chu announced Thursday that Abengoa Bioenergy Biomass would receive the guarantee to support the development of a commercial-scale cellulosic ethanol plant that is estimated to create 300 construction jobs and 65 permanent jobs in Kansas.

$132M/65 = $2M per permanent job, most of it obviously not going to employees.

rse

ICLEI is the organization Koire says is the local stalking horse for Agenda 21. It stands for Intl Council on Local Environmental Initiatives but now merely goes by its acronym lest anyone ascribe greater motive to such benevolence.

Whoever was asking about Ctr for Amer Progress this morning. LUN shows their involvement in something called STAR invading a govt you are required to fund soon. They are also listed in general as an ICLEI partner.

And for some Friday night levity PUK would have adored. Someone today said that David Cameron's politics and the extent to which he is only nominally a Conservative could best be expressed by describing him as the love child of Mussolini and Edward Heath.

Pops

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2767872/posts

Americans continue to die faster then Al Queda can kills us....

Carol Herman

I can see the GOP bumper sticker for 2012 now:

"Elect the Funny Underwear Man and the Pizza Guy."

Willard Milton Romney wouldn't even get 47% of the vote. Meaning? The McCain "prize" of 2008 would be higher than what the 2012 competition against Obama would wrought.

Captain Hate

Interesting theory, supported by Rush's observation that the Establishment isn't begging Rubio to get in, but it assumes that Christie is a loyal soldier of the Establishment. Is there any evidence for that, besides the claim that he's been asked by Republicans he "idolizes": Nancy Reagan, Kissinger and GWB?

He's not a conservative because he's a gun-grabber and believes in global warming, just to name two things that I know. He's also out of the Spitzer/Giuliani US prosecutor mold and is probably well positioned where he is, because I think he's doing a good job there. If he was President I could see him being good on addressing the deficit but not much else.

Pops

Luckily, due to Perry's making American taxpayers pay for illegal alien educations...we now have lawyers who specialize in suing Americans on behalf of illegal aliens.

http://www.criadolawgroup.com/Personal-Injury-Overview/Immigrant-Injury-Rights.shtml

Let me guess, if I don't think people here illegally should be suing citizens, I don't have a heart.

DebinNC

Perry is finished. His stance on illegal migrants has done him in.

A principled stance wouldn't be deadly, but his incoherent, weasley stance is or should be deadly imo. He heard the immigration debate question as if for the first time and, consequently, bungled it big time. There's no excuse I can see for that epic lack of preparation, other than laziness or hubris. The character flaw revealed by Perry's inept debate peformances is what killed his chances with me...unless he turns out to be the last remaining ABO.

Pops

Facts speak louder:

RICK PERRY DOESN'T HAVE A HEART

http://one-simple-idea.com/CrimeVictimsOfIllegalAliens1.htm

Rob Crawford

certain Australian beetles will try to copulate with discarded beer bottles

And, being Australian wildlife, impregnate them.

Let me guess, if I don't think people here illegally should be suing citizens, I don't have a heart.

No, Pops, I'm the one without a heart -- I'm waffling on just what rights illegals should have AT ALL.

Janet

Perry is finished. His stance on illegal migrants has done him in.

I'm gonna have to stick up for Perry a bit. His reality is that there are kids that have lived in Texas their whole lives....they have jobs, have played on high school sports teams, & have never lived in another country. The Feds have never secured our border...never.
We can look back & say that we should have been tougher on illegals (which I totally agree with - catch & deport, no excuses), but we weren't. We can't change that.
I'm all for serious border security, quick deportation, ending anchor baby mills,....
but realistically, we are not gonna deport these kids that have grown up here. It will never happen.

Danube of Thought

I'm pretty sure the SCt could strike this law down without overruling Wickard, because the two cases are readily distinguishable (the farmer was not required to purchase a product from a private entity).

The 11th Circuit held that the mandate was severable. I haven't read their analysis, but that result seems wholly inconsisyeny with my (shaky) recollection of the severability doctrine.

Extraneus

Solyndra Loan Program on Pace to Commit Equivalent of $6M Per Permanent Job

As the Energy Department moves to finalize the last remaining loan guarantees from a controversial clean-energy fund, the federal government is on pace to put up more than $6 million for every permanent job saved or created by the program.

[snip]

The number of jobs pegged to each project varies widely. A $197 million loan guarantee for an Oregon solar panel firm was estimated to create or save 500 permanent jobs. A separate $737 million loan guarantee finalized this week for a Nevada solar facility was tied to just 45 permanent jobs -- as well as 600 construction jobs. A $646 million loan guarantee being announced Friday for a California solar facility is projected to fund 20 permanent jobs and 350 construction jobs.

People don't like being robbed.

Extraneus

(the farmer was not required to purchase a product from a private entity)

Wickard v. Filburn

Filburn was ordered to destroy his crops and pay a fine, even though he was producing the excess wheat for his own use and had no intention of selling it.
Since he was only growing wheat for his own use, weren't they saying in effect that he should either forgo wheat or be forced to buy it from someone else instead, presumably a private entity?
Too bad they didn't see those Target bags.

Heh, the British Government declares war on the Tesco grocery chain. See Delingpole.
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DebinNC

I wonder if any of the green loans, or other giveaways, were awarded to projects in right-to-work states, i.e. are all the construction jobs going to union members.

Plastic bags.

Oops, forgot the life and death issue they're tussling over.
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I can't decide until the people waiting in line choose for me.

I'm always struck with the unbearable choice, save a tree, save an oil well, or spread germs.
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Ignatz

It would be helpful if the argument could be more clearly defined or stated. "Children of illegals" and "illegals" are bandied about as though they are one and the same.
Just how many actual illegal aliens are given cut rate tuition vs anchor babies who are citizens but the children of illegals?
I suspect the former number is pretty darned small relative to the latter.
Anybody got any figures?

Ignatz

--Since he was only growing wheat for his own use, weren't they saying in effect that he should either forgo wheat or be forced to buy it from someone else instead, presumably a private entity?--

Their reasoning IIRC, specious as it was, was that even though it was grown for his own use, its existence had an effect on the commercial interstate wheat crop and was therefore regulatable.

Rick Ballard

Moronium or cretinium?

Only her neuroproctologist knows for sure.

Jane

All losses from green energy loan guarantees should be deducted immediately from the DoEnergy budget.

I'd start with taking every last penny from Chu.

Jane

I'm not convinced Perry is done.

Extraneus

Right, but they forced him to either buy wheat or forgo wheat, and to destroy (!) his own crops, and pay a fine. Even though he was simply growing what he needed (or wanted!) on his own land.

Surely this is an onerous precedent, antithetical to a free society, and should be overturned.

Extraneus

I'm not convinced Perry is done.

Me, neither, but it's interesting that arguably the most conservative candidate in 2008 was taken out almost immediately by a similar argument. This time, I don't see a lot of MSM influence, but they sure had a lot of influence in doing Fred in.

caro

If Perry is finished, he is not the fighter he was made out to be.

And,Janet,I agree with you. If one kid was born to illegals just across the border and another was brought here at 6 months,they go all through Texas schools together for twelve years, it might make sense to treat them the same. Perry says they must be working toward citizenship. How is that done?

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