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October 18, 2011

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Sara (Pal2Pal)

Here you go Jane:

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Porchlight

She endorsed Perry in the primary against KayBay and the semi-nutty Medina. Much smaller stakes and he was never in serious trouble. And her 2010 endorsements were spread out among many candidates. But she only gets one shot at a GOP primary endorsement for POTUS in 2012, so it's a big deal.

Don't get me wrong, I've all along expected her to endorse him at some point. But he's got to have some horsepower of his own or he'll never survive the run, whether he gets her endorsement or not. So if she concludes he's doomed, I would expect her to pass him by so as not to waste the endorsement.

DebinNC

lol..That's perfect, Sara.

Porchlight

Sorry, that last was to Sue...

Captain Hate

I'm starting to think a second look at Newt might be in order.

He'll do something shortly to remind everybody why he'd be a terrible President.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

He'll do something shortly to remind everybody why he'd be a terrible President.

He may be the only one left by the time the right gets done eating its own.

Captain Hate

Here's another OWS feel good story: http://ballard.komonews.com/news/crime/680231-man-accused-exposing-self-children-arrested

Porchlight

He may be the only one left by the time the right gets done eating its own.

There can be only one GOP nominee. How else are primaries supposed to work?

Sue

There can be only one GOP nominee. How else are primaries supposed to work?

Support Romney without question.

BB Key

Three NC Reps. Coble, Foxx, and McHenry endorse Romney ... notable because Foxx and McHenry are hated by the left

Porchlight

Aha. I knew I was missing something.

Romney has an entire website devoted to attacking Perry. That is so mean!

Ignatz

--I'm starting to think a second look at Newt might be in order.--

Let me say it for MarkO;
Doom!

Sue

Ig,

What else is there? I'm having a hard time believing this is the best we can do. WTH happened to the Republican party?

Porchlight

Who wants to have their personal lives and character and family under constant attack every single day for years on end? Nobody with any sense or perspective or integrity.

That's what's happened to the Republican party, as far as I can see.

centralcal

Ignatz are you now posting as both Ignatz and Iggy - or, is Iggy someone else? I am confused (so easy to do to me - lol)

DebinNC

wiki: In mid-2000, McHenry was hired by Karl Rove to be the National Coalition Director for George W. Bush's successful 2000 presidential campaign.

We need to keep tract of how many of Romney's endorsers are Rove proteges.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

There can be only one GOP nominee. How else are primaries supposed to work?

How 'bout letting the candidates make their own case and let the voters decide. I don't care if Candidate X can make Candidate Y look stupid or make a mistake. I want to know both Candidates' positions that will appeal to the voters over the Incumbent.

Support Romney without question.

Just because I haven't been willing to jump on the Perry bandwagon, does not mean I support any other candidate "without question." I'm looking hard at Cain and Newt, too. I have crossed Bachmann, Huntsman, and Perry off my list. Santorum has actually improved in my eyes thru the debates, but he probably won't sway me to vote for him. I agree with him on his abortion stance, but overall, he is far too focused on being a social conservative for my personal taste.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

We need to keep tract of how many of Romney's endorsers are Rove proteges.

I haven't seen Rove in weeks, is he really supporting Romney? He didn't seem like he was too high on him the last time I saw him speak. As I recall, he was opining that Romney would have to turn his campaign into an apology tour if he had any hope of the nomination. Since I look at apologies for political positions to be a real sign of weakness in a candidate, I figured Rove was trying to hurt Romney with bad advice.

pagar

Moth is to flame as Democrats are to sexual assault.

"So if you’ve been raped or sexually assaulted, don’t call the police; call someone named “Koala.” You can’t make this up, mostly because women’s groups would be protesting you if you did."

http://biggovernment.com/dhunter/2011/10/18/occupybaltimore-discourages-sexual-assault-victims-from-contacting-police-offers-counseling-for-perpetrators/#more-353488

Like they say "you can't make this stuff up"

Janet

"push" is what we are subjected to all day every day, via the radio, TV, newspapers (even entertainment shows) that gives us information the way they (liberals) want it.

How are the OWSers shown in the MFM? I don't watch much TV...but the radio news paints them as normal with legitimate concerns. I know we see the kooky, evil behavior from the internet sites we visit & links....but are the non-news-junkies getting a true picture of the radical OWSers?

Sue

Janet,

Probably not. Don't you think Obama is counting on the MFM keeping the true picture from becoming mainstream?

Neo

It’s one thing to have suspicions. It’s another thing to have them confirmed. And for that, I’m grateful for Occupy Wall Street.

Janet

That is always the problem. It is why we can't believe more people aren't skeptical of Obama or appalled by the OWSers...the general public doesn't have all the information & what they do have is watered down & cleaned up.

centralcal

Janet, I don't watch any of the alphabet news either, but I don't really have to. If you check in at least once daily to Newsbusters, you get a great overview of their biased reporting, plus many of the MFM columnists, etc.

Janet

But somehow when the left confuses SNL with reality it's perfectly acceptable. All in furtherance of the cause, I guess.

Great point, jimmyk @ 2:01.

Sue

Janet,

If they show up at the WS, all bets might be off on keeping the dirtier side of OWS out of the spotlight.

Sue

C-cal,

I hear ABC News radio news every 1/2 hour. They are not negative in their description of the protesters.

Sue

Too many radios in that sentence. ::grin::

Sue

Well shoot. I meant too many "news" in that sentence. I can't even get my correction correct.

pagar

Centralcal @02:50

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/cain-Iowa-leads-poll/2011/10/17/id/414786

According to this, Cain looks good right now in Iowa.

centralcal

Not at all surprised to hear that Sue. My morning commute is tuned to local talk radio which alternates with news sources, mostly CBS radio and Fox. You can always count on CBS to be very positive and upbeat about everything Obama, Democrat, evil and wicked (oops, wait - same things - sorry to repeat).

centralcal

Very interesting, pagar. It is starting to look like ABO (anybody but Obama) and ABR (anybody but Romney) is shaping the conservative (as opposed to strictly Republican) field.

Janet

The FLOTUS wearing a thong is sorta old news. Here she is when Merkel visited.

Janet

...Butt at least it wasn't hangin' out over the pants. Isn't wearing a thong how Monica enticed Clinton?

centralcal

So many shocking FLOTUS photos. It is like having x-ray vision without, of course, needing any x-ray.

MarkO

Thanks, Iggy. I was out trying to earn a meager living as an honest lawyer. Glad you had my doomed back.

narciso

This is typical of the whitewash, of the OWS:

http://globalspin.blogs.time.com/2011/10/18/why-you-shouldnt-compare-occupy-wall-street-to-the-tea-party/

centralcal

Tapper posts yet more on his Obama interview, this time regarding F&F:

“Our overarching goal consistently has been to say we’ve got a responsibility not only to stop drugs from flowing north, we’ve also got a responsibility to make sure we are not helping to either arm or finance these drug cartels in Mexico,” Obama said in the interview with ABC News senior White House correspondent Jake Tapper that will air on “Nightline.”

“It’s very upsetting to me to think that somebody showed such bad judgment that they would allow something like that to happen,” he said. “And we will find out who and what happened in this situation and make sure it gets corrected.”

Make sure it gets corrected??? Tell that to the dead people.

Clarice

Taranto BOTW who suggests Obama's pitch that "I'm the President" might not be the best theme for his magical bus tour.

In any event he has this nugget:

"If Obama has lost Colorado, Florida, Indiana, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Wisconsin, he really has lost Middle America (and the election, by at least 116 votes). "

JM Hanes

Porchlight:

"I don't understand. Did Romney not hire Holdren?"

Good question, as yet unanswered. This is from what is supposed to be a smoking gun memo, which only came to light after the guilt-by-association machine was already running at full throttle through a receptive blogosphere:

In the development of greenhouse gas policy, Romney Administration officials have elicited input from environmental and economic policy experts. These include John Holden[sic], professor of environmental policy at Harvard University and chair of the National Commission on Energy Policy and Billy Pizer, an economist at Resources for the Future, an environmental policy think-tank based in Washington D.C"

Romney and Holdren could have been working hand in glove on cap and trade, but so far, I haven't seen any actual evidence that Romney even met the guy in person, let alone endorsed any of his heinous views on other issues, which is the worst of the insinuations now in circulation.

RichatUF

CPT. Hate-

Just when I think that imbecile can't be any more clueless, he does something even more mindcrushingly idiotic.

Would we expect less of the SCOAMF? Don't google it!

RichatUF

JM Hanes-

Finally got my comment about currency and Romney at the end of the "That Maybe-Not-So-Liberal Media". Not my best work. FWIW.

Also on the topic on the thread, aren't these OWS people those that were organized on college campuses by the DNC (and Obama's own Organizing for America) in 2006 and 2008 to great affect. I guess that I don't want to underestimate them, but good grief.

narciso

Speaking of illconsidered statements:

http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/christie-equates-occupy-wall-street-tea-party

JM Hanes

jimmyk:

"But somehow when the left confuses SNL with reality it's perfectly acceptable."

You weren't suggesting that I thought it was acceptable on the left, but not the right, were you? I just don't blame the comedians and satirists for that, instead of holding the real world wanton rumor mongers from any camp accountable.

Ignatz

--Ignatz are you now posting as both Ignatz and Iggy - or, is Iggy someone else? I am confused (so easy to do to me - lol)--

CC,
Sometimes in the evenings I use the upstairs computer where I got logged in as Iggy somehow.
I'll change it if it occurs to me.

Ignatz

--Thanks, Iggy. I was out trying to earn a meager living as an honest lawyer.--

Weren't you accosted by herds of roaming eco-freaks trying to sign you up as an endangered species?

narciso

Considering that Seth Meyers was on the Journolist, how much of this caricature of
her, was based on the talking points, that
they hashed out in the first hours of her
being picked, not to mention the open sewer
of lies that came from the Wasilla project

And I gave Fey some lee way until after she met Sarah, on the set. By then, she had to know what a distortion that was, but like
Nick Naylor in 'Thank You for Smoking' you have to pay the mortgage.

MarkO

"Weren't you accosted by herds of roaming eco-freaks trying to sign you up as an endangered species?"

Yes. But, I was riding my horse and singing
Jamaica Farewell, so they moved on.

narciso

The wider point is if you have a whole cross section of academia, journalism,entertainment saying a movement is racist, sexist, violent
and stupid, there's a certain percentage of people who won't investigate further, Alinsky
said it doesn't work as well against institutions, but that ignores the above dynamic.

Rick Ballard

Rich,

Have you considered that this may be the 'A Game' that has resulted from the troika ridding themselves of all those who talked to the President as if he were a dog? IOW - ValJar, Stinky and the Moocher put their points together, this is what they came up with and it ain't gonna get any better?

I'm leaning toward that being the case. Typhoid Barry is going it all alone and his innate incapacity is going to shine ever brighter.

RichatUF

Rick-

this is what they came up with and it ain't gonna get any better?

I hadn't considered it, but it would make some sense. That would show a real tin ear and a misreading of our current situation and history.

I should take Dennis Miller's advice: Instead of giving him the benefit of the doubt, doubt the benefit. Or MarkO's easier summation-he's just not that smart. And he's a lair.

Obama and the coalition of cronies around him would see OWS as an opportunity made from crisis which should be exploited to maximum benefit. I just think that it is a bad idea to underestimate them because these are the same forces that were cobbled together in 2006 and 2008 to bring us to our current state of affairs. Granted, 2010 undid the electoral damage of the previous 2 cycles, but to what affect. We can't even get a repeal of the incandescent lightbulb ban. I don't know...and my coffee is getting cold.

Clarice

Very funny, Rick, pretending you weren't the one sending all the emails to Val and MO telling them they had better ideas and didn't need anyone else.

Danube of Thought

Meanwhile, breaking news from our Neighbors to the South:

Twenty-six people were arrested this morning during an Occupy Tijuana demonstration. All were later released, but none of their personal property (laptops, cellphones and the like) was returned.

(As one who spent the night in jail down there a couple of times, and had his car impounded once, I would suggest they ascertain which palms need to be greased, and promptly grease them.)

Porchlight

I want to know both Candidates' positions that will appeal to the voters over the Incumbent.

Sounds fine to me. I'm not the one complaining about the right 'eating their own,' however.

Cecil Turner

Romney and Holdren could have been working hand in glove on cap and trade . . .

The fact that he championed a state cap-and-trade scheme (Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative) is for me a disqualifier, not the guilt by association part. Like Romneycare, it's a great illustration that he's not very conservative (and is willing to extend policies that exacerbate our economic woes).

Porchlight

Romney and Holdren could have been working hand in glove on cap and trade, but so far, I haven't seen any actual evidence that Romney even met the guy in person, let alone endorsed any of his heinous views on other issues, which is the worst of the insinuations now in circulation.

Even if they never met or communicated, I still think it's pretty damned bad news that Romney or his "administration officials" or anyone connected with him would seek out the counsel of Holdren on anything. If I'm reading you correctly, you would agree, but what you chiefly object to is the exaggeration of the connection?

Rick Ballard

Rich,

I think you nailed it a long time ago with your observation concerning poli-sci profs making a concerted effort to find a method to harness the Deaniac enthusiasm of '04 with stronger Alinskyite tactics in '06 (Abramoff, anyone?) and again in '08. This year's efforts to rekindle the mob are falling short because the Deaniac/Soros folks picked a real loser to carry the progressive Molotov cocktail. The Skydragon dying of heat exhaustion followed by hypothermia destroyed the regressive financing mechanism that was supposed to carry us all into the Blue Hell of progressive dystopia.

I understand your impatience with the GOP oligarchosaurs but the thrashing and flailing is fairly typical at the beginning of an interregnum. I'm satisfied just to be watching the world wide collapse of a diseased and corrupt charade. The Endarkenment has lasted long enough. I'm a bit curious about the aftermath but I don't see any problems that recognition of reality coupled with ingenuity will be unable to overcome.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

(As one who spent the night in jail down there a couple of times, and had his car impounded once, I would suggest they ascertain which palms need to be greased, and promptly grease them.)

DOT: My son and my best friend's son got thrown in the Tijuana Jail. They were goofing off on the street and giving each other nooggies. They were accused of fighting in public.

I get this call at 2 AM telling me, if I want to see my son again, to bring $200 and they would let both boys go.

The other boy's mother, when I called her, said, let 'em rot. My husband was overseas, so I woke up a single friend and asked him to go as my body guard. We got down there and they upped the ante to $600, $300 per kid. I said, no way, I only brought $200, $100 a kid. From behind a half wall I hear my son yell out rather angrily, "Mom, you bargain for souvenirs not your only son, pay him and get us out of here." Everyone laughed and they let the boys go for $200.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Sounds fine to me. I'm not the one complaining about the right 'eating their own,' however.

No, I am, so what's your point? You don't like the fact that I want our candidates to run against Obama, instead of each other? You want them to do the dem's job for them and destroy our own? That just makes no sense to me.

Porchlight

You don't like the fact that I want our candidates to run against Obama, instead of each other?

It's a given that the nominee has to run against Obama - in the general. In the primary, it's essential for each candidate to make the case as to not only why Obama has to lose but why they, and not the other guy, are the best choice to beat him. That involves running against each other and landing some punches.

Do I like the below the belt hits and the whisper campaigns and the rest? No. But it's the way of the world in a primary. You want to win, you have to take out the other challengers in order to get the chance to take out the incumbent.

Fielding sharp elbows also provides much needed experience for the general.

I'll say this for Romney, he is disciplined and has run a tough campaign so far. I don't really want him to be President, but at least I've been given some kind of preview of his abilities to take on the Chicago machine in the general. Whereas Cain and Perry, in comparison, look like they're winging it.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Poll: Cain most likeable, Romney most electable

Sara (Pal2Pal)

it's essential for each candidate to make the case as to not only why Obama has to lose but why they, and not the other guy, are the best choice to beat him. That involves running against each other and landing some punches.

We are 180 degrees out on this point. I think it is the worst thing to be done, not the essential thing.

pagar

Do you think the Obama Admin will let this stop them?

"In Slap to AG Holder Senate Unanimously Passes Funding Ban on Future Gunwalking Programs"

http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/10/18/in-slap-to-ag-holder-senate-unanimously-passes-funding-ban-on-future-gunwalking-programs/

Soylent Red

We could live with a Romney Presidency, provided we had a Tea Party Congress to keep him in check.

Bottom line though: Get the SCOAMF outta there mucho pronto!

Danube of Thought

What year was that, Sara? My adventures were in the '60s. The time they impounded my car, I retrieved it two days later and they apparently had used it as a squad car or something--major damage to the interior. (It was a clunker anyway.)

Danube of Thought

If elected, Romney will garner the Strange New Respect award in record time. I simply cannot discern what the man stands for, but he is nothing if not malleable.

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vnjagvet

Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others.

Groucho Marx

Captain Hate

Would we expect less of the SCOAMF? Don't google it!

LOL. I've been using that abbreviation enough @ AoS that if I were the paranoid type, I'd figure I'm on one of Stedman's lists. I'm wondering if his "handlers" have kept the thin-skinned and emotionally fragile jugeared fellow blissfully unaware of that moniker.

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