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October 05, 2011

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Danube of Thought

Seen this?

Janet

DOTUS keeps speaking for all Americans.
#4 Tapper question - OWS question - prosecuting wall street guys? F&F & Solyndra brought up...

Jane

How long before pork is outlawed in the US?

Have you seen the price of bacon?

I hope you are right TM. I will report back.

Have there been any F&F questions Janet?

Ignatz

Listening to lefties and the OWS clowns whine about the costs of a university education is hysterical.
The exorbitant fees colleges charge have risen in precise lockstep with the extent the government has intervened in the market for same to the point it is now essentially the sole funder of educational loans.
"Unexpectedly" costs have spiraled out of control as government has back-stopped any and every kind of loan.
Sometimes correlation is causation.

Janet

complete confidence in Holder.
Holder & himself were unaware what was happening in F&F.
Solyndra - both Dems & Reps supported. Cutting edge technologies must have govt. loans. China does it.

Benjamin Franklin


Well, it looks like the jig is up. It's been fun pretending I am a Yalie?Pitzer 'academic' (mmmmmpppfff), but now must confess
I work for.......The Fed.


http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/10/new-york-fed-to-take-propagandizing-to-new-level-with-more-intense-social-media-monitoring.html


"One of the ways the powers that be push back against independent voices is via attacks in the comment section, either to undermine the credibility of the argument made of of the author. Readers have no doubt seen in happen here in post on unions and on libertarians (particularly when the Koch name is mentioned). There are too many comments early in the thread by first time commenters who are unnaturally persistent for this to be organic.

Now some of these may be ideologues rather than paid trolls. There is one regular commenter who is the employee of one of the financial services regulators who regularly takes issue with the political stance of this blog. He’ll also criticize posts that relate to his employer. Because he seems to be doing this out of his own personal interests, as opposed to at the behest of his employer, I’ve not asked him to say who he works for.

However, there have been other efforts out of the Fed that look to be deliberate. A colleague wrote a paper than had a less than Fed flattering set of comments in passing. The paper was featured on a very prominent academic blog. A persistent critic in comments turned out to be from the Fed (the author became suspicious and tracked the letter writer, who did not reveal his position). When the original author complained to the blog editor, the comments stopped. Mind you, there would be nothing wrong with someone from the Fed contacting either the person who ran the website or the author of the piece to try to dispute the derogatory observation, but to try to pretend that an independent party had come up with that view is just plain dishonest.

Ultimately, this effort is going to reduce, not enhance, the ability of groups like the Fed and the Koch Brothers to orchestrate disinformation campaigns. Regulars on NC are going to become increasingly suspicious of newbies with an axe to grind. In some ways, that’s bad because I use the comments section as a check in case I’ve overstated my case or missed something important. Unfortunately, the only smart response to someone who seeks to monopolize the conversation is to put your fingers in your ears."

Jane

My goodness, I turn on the TV and out tumbles about 10 lies. Obama is on the record now that he didn't know about F&F and neither did Holder. But no worries, he has complete faith in Holder.

Toast I tell you.

He's lumping Solyndra in with the loan guarantee program. Bad move.

narciso

Ah, no, Lownden was in the lead, then her campaign fell apart with the 'bartering
chickens' remark, Angle filled the gap, About
Delaware, they sent Biden back 6 times, game
over man, A similar result obtained in Colorado,

Jane

The exorbitant fees colleges charge have risen in precise lockstep with the extent the government has intervened in the market for same to the point it is now essentially the sole funder of educational loans.

I talked about that on the radio today. It's actually not unlike what the CRA did in the housing market.

Clarice

Turns out there already is an Obama death panel:
(Reuters) - American militants like Anwar al-Awlaki are placed on a kill or capture list by a secretive panel of senior government officials, which then informs the president of its decisions, according to officials.

There is no public record of the operations or decisions of the panel, which is a subset of the White House's National Security Council, several current and former officials said. Neither is there any law establishing its existence or setting out the rules by which it is supposed to operate.

The panel was behind the decision to add Awlaki, a U.S.-born militant preacher with alleged al Qaeda connections, to the target list. He was killed by a CIA drone strike in Yemen late last month.

Janet

blah, blah, blah, Republicans are bad. They supported loan guarantees too.

Uh,uh,uh....if laws are violated they need to be prosecuted.
#5...Hans from Bloomburg - can govt dictate fees?

well they have a right to charge what they want but they shouldn't charge too much. A consumer guy will watch out for customers. Republicans are bad. Americans & I are frustrated with the bad Republicans.
Banks can price how they want...as long as we point out some practices aren't fair.
(what is fair is unclear)

#6 Solyndra question again -
Why does nobody want this "green" shit?
DOTUS says there are lots of barriers. Oil is cheaper....but it is running out.
So O will force us to buy the green shit.
All hell is breaking loose.
Other countries subsidize their clean energy...esp China...so we need to too. But we won't duplicate China....but we are.

DebinNC

"The problem is it [traditional energy sources] is running out." Liar

Ignatz

jimmyk,
Those graphs are kind of coarse.
For instance how do you tease out of the GDP graph how much of the acceleration is from advanced economies and how much is from backward economies entering their own industrial revolution?
And did the large majority of the spike in life expectancy come early to mid last century as antibiotics and vaccines conquered infections and childhood diseases or the last fifty years of extending old age incrementally?

I haven't read the Steyn article but I wouldn't dismiss the premise out of hand.
Seems to me it's a rather more profound jump for a society to go from hand and ox power and open sewers to Model A's and potable water than it is to go from a 57 Chevy to a 2012 Camaro and a console B&W TV to a flat panel.

Benjamin Franklin


They just can't help but make the same mistakes over, and over.

http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/occupy-wall-street-protest-broadens-scope-20111005

""First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -
-- Mahatma Gandhi

Dave (in MA)
When I'm bored, I turn to Drew Curtis' Fark.

Always enlightening, when it comes to the human condition.

Perhaps in a cultural anthropological sense. It's a moonbat cesspool. Almost every topic --no matter how trivial or non-political-- seems to devolve into a Palin-bashing thread. Since they got rid of the Music tab I only use it for the photoshop threads and the weekly Smoking Gun mugshot threads.

Janet

#7 Jobs bill won't pass either house. Are you campaigning against Congress or are you negotiating to get your bill passed?

Republicans are bad. blah, blah, blah....
(Obama didn't like this question...he used the reporters first name before he answered...like a parent with a child)

still saying Republicans are bad. evil Repubs want to get rid of EPA, they want dirty air. blah, blah, blah....
gives homework assignment to the press...

Melinda Romanoff

Dave-

I just go there for the links, never the comment sections. Florida never ceases to amaze me.

Janet

American people & I want something big & bold. Republicans are bad.
This is an emergency & the American people & I want something big.
Irony....Republican millionaires would be doing better if they allowed me to help the poor. Republicans are bad....unresponsive to Obama & the American people.

Benjamin Franklin


Gathering momentum, just like the Tea Party.

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/10/matt-stoller-the-anti-politics-of-occupywallstreet.html


" It must be an angry group of hippies. Or slackers. Or it’s a revolution. It’s a left-wing tea party. The ignorance is embedded in the questions. One of the most constant complaints one hears in DC about #OccupyWallStreet is that the group has no demands. Its message isn’t tight. It has no leaders. It has no policy agenda. Just what does “it” want, anyway? On the other side of the aisle, one hears a sort of sneering “get a job” line, an angry reaction to a phenomenon no one in power really understands. The gnashing of teeth veers quickly from condescension to irritation and back. Many liberal groups want to “help” by offering a more mainstream version, by explaining it to the press, by cheering how great the occupation is while carefully ensuring that wiser and more experienced hands eventually take over. These impulses are guiding by the received assumptions about how power works in modern America. Power must flow through narrow media channels, it must be packaged and financed by corporations, unions, or foundations, it must be turned into revenue flows that can then be securitized. It must scale so leaders can channel it efficiently into the preset creek bed of modern capitalism. True public spaces like this one are complete mysteries to these people; left, right, center in America are used to shopping mall politics."

Ignatz

--Ultimately, this effort is going to reduce, not enhance, the ability of groups like the Fed and the Koch Brothers to orchestrate disinformation campaigns.--

Takes a rather curious mindset to lump a quasi-governmental institution [the Fed] in with anti government libertarians like the Koch's, while not mentioning the Soros's and Lewis's of the world who are fighting on the same side as the Fed even if they would prefer the "quasi" part to be eliminated and given to themselves.

Janet

#8 Matt from Reuters - foreign policy -
something about Pakistan?(I didn't catch it)

DebinNC

Did Obama just call McConnell the "Majority Republican Leader"? Poor Harry.

Janet

Obama talking about currency manipulation by China. China stealing our technologies too.
(not sure how Pakistan fit in)

Ignatz

--Gathering momentum, just like the Tea Party.--

November 2012 should provide a convenient metric for that assertion.

Rob Crawford

Ignatz, that "curious mindset" is one of a person focused on who promises to put a whip in its hand.

FWIW, I won't take the OWS clowns seriously until they start strapping things to their heads. Bread sticks, foam packing material, bubblewrap...

Janet

I think that's it for me! I have a whole new respect for Jane's snarkblogging!

Danube of Thought

Remember, Iggy, the parallels between 1932 and 2008 are not trivial.

DebinNC

Great job, Janet. TY

Benjamin Franklin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFCjsPuu7lI&feature=player_embedded


"....then we win"

centralcal

lol, Rob C.

narciso

That was a bravura performance, Janet, how did you do it.

centralcal

Thank you, Janet! Did Dick finally stop talking?

jimmyk

Ignatz:
I don't dismiss Steyn's point either. The reason for the coarseness is because I think it's helpful to step back and look on the scale of centuries rather than years or even decades.

No doubt a lot of the acceleration in GDP per capita the last 100 years or so is the spread of the industrial revolution to more and more countries, but if you look at the US there is a similar (though less dramatic) acceleration over time, with the possible exception of the last 30 years or so (again, too soon to say).

There are also some credible arguments in support of the acceleration hypothesis, basically resting on the notion that the more people you have the more likely there will be a Thomas Edison (or Steve Jobs). Kind of like Ted Baxter's line: "I want to have a lot of kids so that one of them might figure out how to solve the overpopulation problem."

Janet

India & Pakistan are mortal enemies. He uses "we" in referring to Pakistan illiteracy & poverty.

Last question - #9 European question by some guy that was caught by surprise that he even got to ask a question.

Dave (in MA)

Obama actually showed up on time for one of his own speeches?

DebinNC

"The biggest headwind the American economy is facing right now is" uncertainty in Europe. Uh huh.

narciso

Blind squirrel finds a nut, eventually


http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2011/10/06/manhattan-judge-spares-the-cia/?mod=WSJBlog

Benjamin Franklin

Spitzer urges Obama to support OWS...

YEAH !! Like THAT's gonna happen........

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/10/06/spitzer-to-obama-support-occupy-wall-street/

Janet

LOL! I couldn't stop! Dick is still talking...

Janet

Once Dick warms up, he seems like he LOVES these people sitting there asking him questions. He lectures them. He isn't really answering press questions...the tenor is more like he's teaching students.
It is really sickening.

Janet

Last point (please God, let it be true!).
If his jobs bill doesn't pass then he will keep putting it forward.

FINI

centralcal

Interesting - all of a sudden the Senate has announced it will vote today on Obama's Jobs Bill - the original one, without the millionaire's tax.

Coming across twitter and Dick ends his press conference. I question the timing. LMAO

narciso

You would think, if they really wanted for this movement, to catch fire, they would have
a more clean cut, presentable facade,

centralcal

If Congress does something, then I can't run against a do-nothing Congress.

I can hardly stop laughing . . . it was like we he threatened Boehner not to call his bluff.

Idiot, thy name is Buh-rock!

centralcal

we=when

Clarice

OL very funny! That is satire, isn't it?

Benjamin Franklin

The temporary hard-on displayed by the Tea Party toward Bank Bailouts has withered. They blame teh messengers.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/attytood/

"Here, by way of Brian Hickey, is what the local Independence Tea Party has to say about Occupy Wall Street:.

“The idea that Wall Street is the root of all evil is also an anathema to us. Like any other institution, Wall Street has its corrupt figures–and such individuals should be dealt with accordingly,” said Ms. Adams. “But to condemn Wall Street, en masse, is akin to condemning our entire free enterprise system.

“Our Association deplores corporate bailouts (GM), corporate subsidies (Solyndra), and corporate welfare. At the same time, however, we recognize the contributions and achievements of America’s chambers of commerce."

Clarice

Janet, I'm sorry--late to the game. Who were you snark blogging? Dick who?

mojo

It never pays to underestimate the power of human stupidity.

Thomas Collins

I object to Obama being called Dick. Dick Nixon may have been paranoid and had nasty political operatives acting on his behalf, but Nixon is not in Obama's class for paranoia and nastiness. Plus, Dick Nixon actually was pretty smart, as opposed to Obama, the Credentialled Moron of All Credentialled Morons. I think a more appropriate nickname for the current POTUS would be Herbie (for Herbert Hoover). There should not be any nickname of Obama that suggests he is in Nixon's class! :-))

Charlie (Colorado)

The temporary hard-on displayed by the Tea Party toward Bank Bailouts has withered. They blame teh messengers.

You know, for a soi-disant anarchist, you sure have trouble with the idea of not having a central controller.

You -- and the author -- are also conflating "Wall Street", "bank bailouts" and the stimulus.

And the article is pushing the same old "Koch brothers conspiracy" nonsense.

Try again.

Janet

Dick who?

Hahaha..well, no one really knows much about him but it was that Dick that Mark Halperin referred to.

Charlie (Colorado)

I object to Obama being called Dick.

Would it help any to add an indefinite article?

Ignatz

--There are also some credible arguments in support of the acceleration hypothesis, basically resting on the notion that the more people you have the more likely there will be a Thomas Edison (or Steve Jobs).--

Or a Pol Pot or an Uncle Joe.
I've found Steyn's general point over time [not necessarily in the article in question] to be a more narrow one; that it is Western Civilization in peril and if it goes the assumed trajectory of the future may not play out as anticipated if the foundation of essentially everything the world has achieved [including the colonial and post colonial advancement in the Orient] for the last 2000 years crumbles.
We'll see.
Perhaps the future is effectively limitless or perhaps it's like environmental regulations; the first 90% is relatively easy and relatively cheap and then things plateau as it get's more expensive and the returns diminish.

Janet

I object to Obama being called Dick.

Sorry TC. It was a Halperin reference not Nixon. (trying to be a wisenheimer always gets me in trouble!)

narciso

Bunch was always a fool, but to formally affiliate himself with Media Matters, really
does 'remove all doubt'

Ignatz

--Would it help any to add an indefinite article?--

I'd prefer the definite one.

Thomas Collins

Just imagine if you are one of the leaders of Vietnam or the Philippines. The China princelings are making noises about going to war over the South China Sea area, and the one country who could put a stop to Chinese belligerence on the high seas is lead by a community organizing airhead, and has a State Department that bungled a Honduran succession issue, which is hardly of the same difficulty as dealing with an increasingly assertive China.

bgates

Hoover was a tremendously accomplished man as a professional engineer, a humanitarian, and a scholar, and the mistakes he made as President at least had the virtue of not having been proved wrong repeatedly in the 80 years before his term.

Jane

Turns out there already is an Obama death panel:
(Reuters) - American militants like Anwar al-Awlaki are placed on a kill or capture list by a secretive panel of senior government officials, which then informs the president of its decisions, according to officials.

I wonder who of us here is on that list. Now that we know it matters not if Obama murders Americans, why would it matter if they aren't terrorists.

--Gathering momentum, just like the Tea Party.--

When 2 million of them show up at the same place, at the same time at their own expense, please let me know.

Nice job Janet, you may have my baton!

Thomas Collins

No problem, Janet. As you may have guessed, I am being a wisenheimer, too. I'm just getting geared up in the event I decide to have a conversation with the Boston Financial District OWS folks.

Benjamin Franklin

You know, for a precision-driven engineer, you sure are sloppy about who you call a 'self-described' anarchist.

Thomas Collins

True, bgates. I guess I shouldn't put Obama in Hoover's class, either. I think you were correct a few years ago: Montezuma is the best analogy!

Rick Ballard

TC,

Herbie is very good. After all, Herbert Hoover actually did have some accomplishments under his belt before being elected, so the diminutive wouldn't fit him nearly as well as it does Herbie. He also wasn't driven mad by the failure of doomed progressive policy failures as was Progressive racist Woody Wilson.

I still believe that Herbie will wind up becoming as mad as Woody but that Michael (that's what Herbie calls his wife) will never have a chance to rule as did Edith.

Thomas Collins

I'm with you until the end of your post, Rick. I think there's a chance Michael Michelle Moochelle could rule for a while if Herbie loses it all next year (although ValJar is a more likely bet). I wouldn't put Obama in Woody's class, because as far as I know Woody actually penned his prog screeds when he was an academic (also, I believe Woody really did earn his academic position).

NK

Just Read Obamaniac's "complete confidence in Holder " quote. I give it 15-30 days until we reach the point where Obamaniac says "MISTAKES WERE MADE" in fast and furious, and regretfully accepts Holder's resignation. Of Course Holder will have an undated Pardon signed by Obamaniac when he resigns.

BTW-- RickB and TCollins are en fuego today-- absolutely brilliant stuff.

Thomas Collins

I have to admit that I may not be giving Obama enough credit for brainpower. After listening to the frontrunner for the Dem nomination in the Mass. US Senate race (you know, the Kennedy seat), I have to admit that Obama has competition for the Best Performance by a Credentialled Moron Oscar!

Thomas Collins

Thanks, NK. I think the presence of OSW folks in my work area has me stoked up.

Jim Miller

Janet - Thanks for the summary.

(And thanks much for visiting my site from time to time.)

Benjamin Franklin

I suspect this poll has more to do with the aftermath wherein the War Whoops saw little need to care for them when they got home, because of teh cost. It surely was not about the Iraq war itself, because that's been such a raging success.

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/2011/10/vets-say-iraq-afghanistan-werent-worth-fighting

"Just 34% of U.S veterans who served in the military after the 9/11 attacks say the combat in Iraq and Afghanistan was worth it, according to a Pew Research Center poll released today.

That number is slightly above the 28% of the general public who say the wars are worth fighting.

The statistics come as the U.S. marks 10 years of war in Afghanistan -- the longest period of sustained fighting in its history -- this week.

When asked about the wars individually, 50% of vets said the war in Afghanistan was worth fighting, versus 44% who said the war in Iraq was worth it."

Charlie (Colorado)

you sure are sloppy about who you call a 'self-described' anarchist.

Someone throw me a link to Dana's web page, please?

Dave (in MA)

MA Senate race is ramping up...

Brown was responding to a crack Warren made in Tuesday’s debate, when the Democrat was asked about Scott Brown using his centerfold spread in Cosmopolitan magazine decades ago to pay for college. Warren said that she “didn’t take her clothes off” to pay for school.

Asked by the WZLX disc jockey for a response, Brown said “Thank God,” eliciting laughter from the DJs.

Thomas Collins

Is the page at the LUN (the "as if" page) the one you are looking for, CHACO?

Charlie (Colorado)

Perhaps the future is effectively limitless or perhaps it's like environmental regulations; the first 90% is relatively easy and relatively cheap and then things plateau as it get's more expensive and the returns diminish.

"The advancement of the arts, from year to year, taxes our credulity and seems to presage the arrival of that period when human improvement must end." -- Henry L Ellsworth, Patent Commissioner, 1843.

Rick Ballard

TC,

Woody was definitely a top notch Progressive racist and eugenicist and did pen many racist screeds to accompany his One World musings. ValJar and Michael would have to get by Section 4 of the 25th Amendment in order to try and equal Edith.

Woody snapped while trying to peddle the League of Nations BS - Herbie snapping while trying the Truman gambit would make an interesting parallel.

narciso

And Admiral Leahy, about whether the A-bomb would work.

Thomas Collins

Uh-oh. That won't go over well in the chattering at the Starbucks at Newton Center, Dave(inMA). And Brown is going to have to hold some of those Newton Center people to defeat Warren.

Charlie (Colorado)

Yes, thanks, TC. I suppose he's right -- it's an inference from making a professional career out of the history of anarchist movements to the conclusion that he actually holds anarchistic beliefs.

After all, you can study smallpox without actually dying of smallpox.

Benjamin Franklin

"Someone throw me a link to Dana's web page, please?"

Yes, PLEASE someone give him the link.

BWAAAAAAAhaaaaaaaaaaaHHHHHHHHaHHHHH.

Jane

MA Senate race is ramping up...

I wrote about teh growing Brown ambivalence at You Too today. Hopefully the money he has raised will save him, because the tea party won't.

Benjamin Franklin

And I thought you were smart.

mea culpa

Clarice

Ask and ye shall receive, Chaco.http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/dward/

jimmyk

The funniest part of Chaco's 1:14 link is this:

Whatever this institute may be, on the theory that the Nation is a responsible publication, I wrote to Mr. Navasky, who is editor of that magazine and coauthor of the book, to ask if he could tell me...."
Throw some medals over the fence.

Heh, they've been drafted into an Army of Debt, and are pissed.
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Charlie (Colorado)

And I thought you were smart.

Dana, after the child-prodigy thing, umpteen years of grad school, and the thousands of people who have said "jeez you're so smart, you intimidate me, I can't argue with you, why does everything have to be a math class, don't you ever stop thinking, did you really read all these books" and so on and so on, the least effective way to try to take a shot at me is a "you're not so smart" trope.

Ignatz

--The advancement of the arts, from year to year, taxes our credulity and seems to presage the arrival of that period when human improvement must end.--

The only thing funnier than revisiting past incorrect predictions about trends ending are people ridiculing those predictions right before a trend does end.
See 95% of the economic prognostications circa 2006-07.

Clarice

I ran an errand this morning near the Occupy DC op but didn't make a video--here's what the Wa Po captured..HEH
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/occupy-dc-protesters-on-being-part-of-the-99-percent/2011/10/05/gIQASbwfNL_video.html#

Benjamin Franklin

"you're not so smart" trope."

Well, by way of the evidence you supply intellectually, you are 'smart' to the point of actually requiring the same exactness you require of others. At that point, the intellect drops like a rock....

" for a soi-disant anarchist,' is a baseless theorem you repeat because you have heard it time and again, and believed it, without any independent verification. Is that smart, or is self-awareness part of that paradigm?

Dave (in MA)

TC, The People's Republic of Newton went for Marcia by a greater than 2 to 1 margin in 2010. I don't think some comments on a classic rock station is going to hurt his chances.

Danube of Thought

Speaking of child prodigies, I once had the exquisite pleasure of cross-examining this one under oath. I concluded that he had peaked at about age 20, and it was all downhill from there.

Benjamin Franklin


CAUTION; Trope video embedded

http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2011/10/6/131153/226


"Don't they look so happy and serene, and amused by the doings of the hoi polloi making their little march and chanting their silly slogans? They are laughing, joking with each other,smirking, and taking pictures and videos to show there friends of the absurd little people in the street below who stupidly believe that these little protests will have any impact on the lives of their betters standing above them. And these well dressed, relaxes folks are celebrating the occasion with no doubt expensive liquor."

Rob Crawford

You know, for a soi-disant anarchist, you sure have trouble with the idea of not having a central controller.

That's because he's the totalitarian type of anarchist, like Chomsky.

Ignatz

--Speaking of child prodigies, I once had the exquisite pleasure of cross-examining this one under oath. I concluded that he had peaked at about age 20, and it was all downhill from there.--

Merv Griffin used to have that oddball on all the time, DoT, for some inexplicable reason.
I think he used Debbie Wasserman Schultz's hair stylist.

Ranger

And these well dressed, relaxes folks are celebrating the occasion with no doubt expensive liquor.

Why does people enjoying themselves bother the left so much?

Ignatz

--Why does people enjoying themselves bother the left so much?--

Because they're the modern, dissipated version of Mencken's mythical Puritan.

Dana's got it down pat.  It's in the playbook.

You're not so smart, Chaco, or you would have figured out climate by now.
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Danube of Thought

Why does people enjoying themselves bother the left so much?

It's what Mencken called "the haunting fear that someone, somewhere is having a good time."
And heaven forbid that they not only are having a good time, but are rich as well.

The rent-seeker in all his glory.

Benjamin Franklin

"It's what Mencken called "the haunting fear that someone, somewhere is having a good time.""

HST is more to the point; "When the going gets weird, the weird turn Pro".

Jack is Back!

Kim,

Did you read the Brune Lecture notes from Earl Allen? Plus the recent Mann tweet about dealing with FOIA requests? The arrogance of this crowd knows no bounds. They are taxpayer funded and are peeved to have to deal with any form of oversight whether from the Feds or outside by independent watchdog groups. This is all a charade - think up a crisis, wheel out some cockamamie theories, back it up with extrapolated data - then apply for a grant at the EPA, DoE, NOAA, NASA, et. al.

BTW, today the sun rose in the East, the ocean was wet and I was able to breathe without a respirator.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

I wrote about teh growing Brown ambivalence at You Too today. Hopefully the money he has raised will save him, because the tea party won't.

So do you think Elizabeth Warren is a better representative for Massachusetts and your own interests than Scott Brown? Do you think she will vote your way more often and support your issues better or more often than Brown? Has he really been that bad that a dem in the office would be better? I'm sorry, I have not followed him at all since he joined the Senate. He must be really bad for the Tea Party and you Jane to want Warren over him. I have to say, I am surprised.

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