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October 20, 2011

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Threadkiller

Looks like Cain may part of a majority that Tina Korbe's boss reported on earlier:

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/05/23/mixed-results-from-latest-gallup-polling-on-abortion/

I don't think one of the 9s is "nine months", so this is still ambush questioning by the press. Maybe CNN will ask Obama some of these questions.

Clarice

Meh--I read his statement as describing the difference between his personal views and what he thinks is good govt policy.And i think it's fine and fair. Kind of like Clinton's Abortion should be rare etc.

Threadkiller

"...may be part..."

Gmax

Daffy last moments hiding in a subteranean sewer pipe in Sirte. Telling that should not be chipped into his headstone.

Clarice

In today's American Spectator ben Stein says get used to Obama --we have no one who can beat him.
I really hope he's wrong.

Gmax

Ben Stein joins the long list of corollaries to the David Gergen's Law...

Gmax

I personally think even Charlie Sheen would beat the man, at least he owns up to his mistakes!

narciso

I think going on Piers Morgan, in general, was
the bigger blunder, but I think the Gitmo one
really is hard to take back,

Neo

My guess is that Cain is "pro-choice" so long as you use your own money to pay for it.

Ignatz

--My guess is that Cain is "pro-choice" so long as you use your own money to pay for it.--

That we have to guess after his extended remarks on the subject is not a good sign.

Ignatz

--In today's American Spectator ben Stein says get used to Obama --we have no one who can beat him.--

That was online at AmSpec a couple of days ago clarice, in case anyone is looking for it.
Ben is a smart, funny and entertaining man but often rather foolish and even more often subject to unfounded pessimism, so I'm not too concerned about his prognostications.

Uncle BigBad

Cain described his position as typically "pro-choice," i.e., "I'm personally against abortion, but I think the choice should be up to the individual woman."

I don't think being pro-choice will hurt him (much), but I think if he had been clear earlier, it would be less of an issue going forward.

Porchlight

I think it will hurt him for the same reason TM does - because many Cain supporters are conservative Anybody But Romney voters, and they are least likely to find pro-choice views acceptable.

If Cain can't reassure them, they may well switch to Perry, who has many issues but does have a clear pro-life record.

Army of Davids

Seems to me he's Pro-Life.. but doesn't think it's the government's place to make these decisions. I'm cool w/ that. Republicans should stick to the economy, anyway.

The media would of course rather talk about social issues like gay marriage....since the economy is a Democratic albatross.

glasater

Ben Stein also thinks the wealthy should pay more in taxes.

Appalled

I don't think a pro-choice canadidate survives in the GOP, just as a pro-life canadidate does not survive in the Democratic party.

For the life of me, I could not tell what Cain was saying. You can be pro-choice, and think Roe wrongly decided, as the states were the ones who should have decided on abortion -- but a position like that gets you no friends, except, perhaps, among libertarian federalist nerds.

Tonto

When a list of Hollywood financial contributors to Al Franken's senate campaign was made public, Ben Stein's name was on it. He had some lame explanation, as I recall.

Sue

Cain says he is pro-choice. He says life begins at conception. He says abortions shouldn't be legal. But it is the woman and her family's choice. Fog is a nice way of putting what Mr. Cain's position on abortion is.

matt

the dead dictator sketch. LUN

Sue

Cain says he is pro-choice.

I meant pro-life. Sorry.

Ignatz

Best I can make out he was saying it should be legal if a woman's life is in danger at which point she would have the choice.
If he was saying something else then he better call up Rick Perry for some clarification lessons.

Janet--not too bad for a cro-magnon

Glasater,
Flares Into Darkness also had a post today about HDR (High Dynamic Range) photography that was interesting.

MarkO

These are just not the usual questions on a book tour. He should respond, "Gimmeee a break."

Sue

MarkO,

What's the name of his book?

Threadkiller

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lOG3rD5CrQ

centralcal

Sue: "This is Herman Cain. My Journey to the White House"

Porchlight

These are just not the usual questions on a book tour. He should respond, "Gimmeee a break."

If he doesn't like them then he shouldn't be on a book tour while he's running for President. If this was Palin the usual suspects would be Freaking Out that she wasn't a serious candidate, etc.

Sue

C-cal,

Thanks. I thought it had something to do with the WH in it. If he is running on the republican ticket, he should expect to be able to answer the question without leaving any doubt what his position is. Doesn't matter if his position more closely resembles Guiliani's position than it does Santorum's position, but he should be able to articulate his position. Especially since he knows as a republican he will be asked that question.

glasater

Janet-
You are such a dear for thinking of me regarding HDR photography. I follow Trey Ratcliff and wish I could do what he does.
Am working a project for our local Port commission and came up with this image to show off a local business called Amcor:

Port Watch '11_Bottles_HDR2
Used just the Photoshop HDR utility for it and not Trey's all 'fancy-dancy' stuff:)
This company produces plastic bottles for a juice company located next door. They can produced over 100k of bottles a day. Six full time employees.

DebinNC

I think all the candidates would pass muster with me re abortion, which is pro-parental notification and similar sensible state-by-state requirements, anti-partial birth abortions, and anti-public funding of abortions. Promising to push an amendment to criminalize abortions is a nonstarter and pledging pro-abortion litmus tests for cabinet/judicial appointees is a huge general election vote-loser imo.

Sue

Deb,

Once again, it isn't exactly Cain's position I have a problem with it is Cain explaining his position. Perry has the same problem and doesn't get a pass. Cain gets a pass. If we are going to nominate Cain, we better get ready to lose McCain-style or worse.

narciso

this is hasn't been confirmed yet, she did a similar event last year, and Rubio, found a way to leave before she got up to speak:


http://thepage.time.com/2011/10/20/back-in-the-spotlight-3/

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Why is it fog? I am as anti-abortion as you can get. I will never understand how a woman, no matter the circumstances, can kill her own flesh and blood, ever. However, I am not so arrogant as to think that my choice should be every woman's choice. I want abortions not to be easy, I do not want the government involved in any way, but especially in funding, yet this is a choice a woman must make with her own conscience. I do not believe in legislating conscience.

It seems from what I read here, that Cain is personally against abortion, would counsel against it, but in the end, recognizes it is the woman's decision. For me, I would think less of a woman who chose the abortion route, but that is me. You can wrap it up in all kinds of pretty bows, but it is still killing.

centralcal

Once again, not able to keep up with all the thread comments today ... looks like WaPo is out to smear Marco Rubio. Haven't read it yet, though.

Marco Rubio's compelling family story embellishes facts

Appalled

Just so everyone understands -- Cain has spoken pretty strongly against abortion rights. He did so at the pro-lifers convention in Jacksonville back in June, noting that everyone has the right to persue happiness, but that right does not stretch to killing the unborn.

I think the guy did not say what he meant to say.

DebinNC

Perry has the same problem and doesn't get a pass.

Perry has a record in office that he must defend, and Cain doesn't. Cain's being asked to defend/explain his views, but Perry is having to defend (and trumpet) what he's actually done...like in-state tuition for illegals. Very different situations imo. Cain doesn't have the money for the handlers and advisors that Romney and Perry have. He's having to wing it and the result isn't always pretty, but there's a well of forgiveness for him at this point because most folks like him and the alternatives aren't as appealing as we hoped.

narciso

They really have agallas, the comparable term to Chutzpah, to run that story, considering all the folderall they accepted about Obama's
family background, like the 'Kennedy flight'
that wasn't.

Sue

Man, get your family stories verified before using them.

Sue

Deb,

I don't know. It seems to be my problem with Cain. I don't want to give him a pass. He needs to be ready to fight the Obama machine and I'm not seeing it, frankly.

centralcal

No kidding, Sue and Narciso.

Of course, the WaPo has a team of researchers pouring over documents, comparing dates, digging, digging, digging - because Marco is indeed "compelling" and they just can't stand it.

Ignatz

A round up at VerumSerum of various Occupation hyjinx around the country with the headliner being Occupy Oakland which a cop describes as "Lord of the Flies".

JammieWearingFool had this bit on Occupy LA which contained this priceless comment:

Long suffering Los Angeles area parents are joyfully changing the locks, while their obnoxious parasitic adult offspring have briefly vacated the extra bedroom, bongs in hand.

DebinNC

I think Cain is high in the polls right now as a placeholder while anti-Romney folks wait for the field to narrow. The longer Bachmann and Santorum stay in, the better it is for Romney.

Jack is Back!

narciso,

Not going but my neighbor is (she is RPOF committee woman and I will ask her to grab Rubio by the throat and make him stay to the bitter end:)

I am going that weekend to NAS Jacksonville for the air show and the Blue Angels.

Janet--not too bad for a cro-magnon

from Ignatz's VS link - "One Oakland police supervisor said that the participants first appeared to him as “freethinking activists” but have since devolved into something more sinister. He said it was “interesting for a group that claims to be against current civilization and rules to set up a far more oppressive society than our own.”

matt

Janet, the first mistake is to assume they're thinking.

narciso

So let get this straight, events that happened at least a dozen years before he was born, and the arrest of a relative when the other was a teenager is journalistically worthy, but more relevant examples with other public officials are verboten?

(Another) Barbara

Meh--I read his statement as describing the difference between his personal views and what he thinks is good govt policy.

True, Clarice, but isn't that what every politician says, even the ones most fervently supported by NOW and NARAL? I can't recall any politician who has proclaimed "I'm strongly in favor of abortion." They all decry it and express the hope it will be rarely used, but then follow with "Nonetheless, the choice should be up to the woman."

That doesn't turn me for or against any candidate, but it is certainly not a pro-life stance.

Ignatz

Hillary on the death of Colonel Muammar G(K)(Q)(h)ad(h)af(fh)i(y);
"We came, we saw, he died."
Imagine the uproar of W engaging in mindless boasting like that.
Has amusing bellicose war mongering comments from Markos at Daily Kos and some dork at the Center for American Progress telling us that dead people somehow equals legality.

centralcal

lol! Ignatz. I completely gave up on any and all attempts at spelling Daffy's name. Besides "Daffy" is much easier to type. I do admire your key work though!

narciso

By and by, what happened to Musa Kusa, his henchman in much of this mayhem of the last quarter century

centralcal

Looks like Ace has linked to yet more MFM vetting smearing. I haven't read it yet, either, but apparently the plane Perry rents was once used for drug smuggling or something like that (but not by Perry - eyeroll). Sheesh!

Barbara

I'm no fan of Mouammar Kadhafi, he was a bad guy and as John Wayne would say, "He probably needed killing." But am I the only one who is troubled about the way our leaders are crowing about his death and our role in bringing it about?

Clarice

AB IMO it's as pro life as a politician can or should be.

Barbara

Goodness! that was three "abouts" in one sentence.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

They all decry it and express the hope it will be rarely used, but then follow with "Nonetheless, the choice should be up to the woman."

That doesn't turn me for or against any candidate, but it is certainly not a pro-life stance.

If it isn't up to the woman, then who should have that role?

Ignatz

--If it isn't up to the woman, then who should have that role?--

Sara,
If one believes as you say you do that abortion is killing or the taking of a life then "it" is "up to" no one.
The state has the role of protecting innocent life from being taken, because no individual has the right to take it.

If one somehow believes a developing human fetus is not life or not human life then the individual has available all sorts of choices, all of them dehumanizing, ghastly and bloody.

narciso

Whatever happened to 'whatever happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas' well you could ask Bill Bennett that, but that is remarkable, I'm sure the Journal's news side has been as diligent on Fast and Furious, no,

Ignatz

Why does it seem like every time there's some story about naked guys in a state of arousal there is some dude named Wiener involved?

Charlie (Colorado)

I'm no fan of Mouammar Kadhafi, he was a bad guy and as John Wayne would say, "He probably needed killing." But am I the only one who is troubled about the way our leaders are crowing about his death and our role in bringing it about?

Probably not, but my major complaint is that we dithered about it.

centralcal

Over at Althouse she has a video of an OWS "commercial" (They have money to make commercials? Who knew?).

Anyway Ann thinks it is well made. Okey dokey. About midway a young black male (I think its male) in a hoodie, with what might be a pseudo mohawk haircut, and several lower lip piercings says: "I wanna be able to speak my voice without losing my job."

Count me as gobsmacked that he has a job looking like that, never mind speaking his voice!

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Ignatz:

How should the state do their protecting. Should the pregnant woman be arrested and locked up? The abortion doctor? Should all pregnancies be reported to a monitoring board to make sure the woman is doing everything properly and healthy?

If a woman has an abortion, should she and her doctor be tried for 1st degree murder?

I have no answers.

centralcal

Just because Ignatz gave the best laugh of the day, this Tweet is for him:

markknoller
No agreement on spelling: CBS: Qaddafi. ABC: Gadhafi. NBC: Khaddafy.

Clarice

If you believe in the rule of law then you must accept that candidates for president are not in the position to undoRoe v wade and claiming they would is not a plus with voters. Can we al just move on to more critical issues of governance.

The abortion issue is about to die as a result of new medical and technological developments. sonograms make the process more distasteful to women and better treatment options seem to have set the age of viability forward and the SCOTUS will soon have to acknowledge that and revise Roe; and finally morning after pills make it unlikely that many unwanted children will ever make it to the womb implantation stage.

centralcal

For Iggy, part 2:

markknoller
On print side: AP: Gadhafi; Reuters: Gaddafi; USA Today: Gadhafi; NY Times: Qaddafi; Wall Street Journal: Gadhafi. Times of London: Gaddafi.

Danube of Thought

Is it up to the woman whether or not to kill her one-week-old infant?

(I take no position on abortion. I am simply trying to illustrate Iggy's point: if you believe that abortion is the taking of a human life, then the state has as much right--and duty--to protect the fetus as the infant.)

centralcal

For Iggy, part 3 (final)

markknoller
Now we all spell Qaddafi the same way: d-e-a-d.

Jane

I think it will hurt him for the same reason TM does - because many Cain supporters are conservative

I don't. Last night at the tea party meeting the room was 100% behind Cain. Lot's of pro-life people there and I'd bet no one has changed their mind.

I can identify with Cain. I'm not pro-abortion but I really don't care what these people do with their lives as long as I don't have to pay for it. I'm opposed to the nanny state even on that issue.

I also take great issue with all the "we have to do it for the children"baloney. I had a lousy childhood and it prepared me very well to compete in the real world. Life isn't fair but with the proper drive and hard work you can even the playing field. And hard work as a kid prepares you for hard work as an adult.

And maybe if the state stopped telling people what to do and paying for it, more people would think twice about a few things.

Threadkiller

Did my YouTube link not work or did it just suck?

Rick Ballard

Barbara,

I might have said cackled rather than crowed - the egg was definitely laid but let's see what hatches. Whatever the offspring, it belongs to BOzo and the Red Witch. This piece sketches the current situation in the words of a leader who just wants to quit.

"We have moved into a political struggle with no boundaries," Jibril said, looking glum, rather than like a man rejoicing liberation. "The political struggle requires finances, organization, arms and ideologies," he said. "I am afraid I don't have any of this."

The Ali Babbas are sure to uphold Mohametan tradition concerning division of spoils and there is no one around to stop them.

maryrose

Of course Hil and Obummer take all the credit. It cost 1 billion, NATO did the heavy lifting, Obammy led from his behind. It took months not days and another person was executed point blank instead of standing trial. It's the Obama way doncha know. Chrissy Matthews says now with Osama and Gaddfi under his belt repubs will have to respect Oblammy. I say,timing is everything and thisso called accomplishment is too far away from 2012. Remember after Gulf Storm everyone thought Bush Sr. was safe. Well the economy continues to plague Obummer and it will do him in at the end. We came we saw and Obama lost the election.

Danube of Thought

Anybody seen the clip of Hillary and Karzai ridiculing Cain?

centralcal

This afternoon, while doing office banking, I heard Cain on Hannity. Hannity allowed him time to describe in detail the 9-9-9 plan. Once that was done, talk turned to the Perry-Romney back and forth at the debate. Cain was very complimentary of Romney and very critical of Perry.

I know this is Sue's particular baliwick, but Cain's obvious aversion to Perry is troubling.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

The abortion issue is about to die as a result of new medical and technological developments. sonograms make the process more distasteful to women and better treatment options seem to have set the age of viability forward and the SCOTUS will soon have to acknowledge that

I agree completely. I heard something just last night that blew my mind. Did you know that a female baby at 24 weeks gestation already has her full compliment of eggs for the rest of her life and her uterus and ovaries are fully formed?

Jane

I saw it. What a witch. A gay friend of mine called from PA and said he had figured out how to beat Obama in '12. He said the republicans should nominate Hillary.


He was quite disappointed when I told him when hell freezes over.

Porchlight

How should the state do their protecting.

The way it was done before it was legal. Performing abortions would be illegal and if convicted, abortionists would go to jail.

Can we al just move on to more critical issues of governance.

The issue (for me) is Cain's handling of the question. As Sue says, how can a GOP candidate not be better prepared for it? If he has to walk it back or clarify his statement, it will be the third time he's had to do that in a single week. Does this help or hurt in his ability to convince people he's capable of leading on more critical issues of governance?

He's a great guy, but I think it's beyond obvious that he is never going to be President.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

but Cain's obvious aversion to Perry is troubling.

Perhaps his impression is the same as mine and many others, Perry is not a very nice man.

Jane

So I couldn't care less about Kaddafi but does this mean that if enough people think Obama is doing great harm to this country the world will get together and agree to kill him? I think we are treading on very thin ice.

maryrose

Sonograms should settle the issue. Some lawsuits where a pregnant woman has been killed enable the prosecutors to charge for 2 deaths. The local and state government should protect the fetus and the mother. Federal government should not fund nor have any imput or standing on the issue.
DOT:
Yes I saw it and Hil mentioned that Cain was the founder of Godfather's Pizza. Altogether disrespectful. Just a few months ago Karzai was persona-non- grata. Today he and Hil are BFF's
OT: Be sure to read "Too BIg To Fail" as it highlights Timmy Geithner's role in the 2008 financial crash.Benefit-Obama.

Porchlight

Did you know that a female baby at 24 weeks gestation already has her full compliment of eggs for the rest of her life and her uterus and ovaries are fully formed?

I heard that awhile back and have thought about it a lot. That means that the egg that became me was formed not long after Pearl Harbor. It makes me feel older (in a good way).

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vnjagvet

Cain's lack of regard for Perry has been pretty clear since he said he would not take a VP slot if Perry won the GOP nomination.

I still like Cain, but I think he had better read Reagan's Eleventh Commandment, memorize it and take it to heart. We all know it and he should too:

Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Okay peeps, does this look more pourable?

image

Steve

Thank you for posting this! We've been all over this topic on Common Cents...

Steve
Common Cents
http://www.commoncts.blogspot.com

narciso

The Hastings piece, 'caveat emptor' opens with Jibril meeting with Sarkozy, courtesy of BHL, so I suppose there's a 'Mission Accomplished' sign over at Le Piscine (D.G.S.E. headquarters)

Sue

So basically, Cain's position on abortion is the same as Obama's. Which is fine as long as we are all sure that is his position. Because I can't keep up with his various twists and turns trying to explain his position.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

I heard that awhile back and have thought about it a lot. That means that the egg that became me was formed not long after Pearl Harbor. It makes me feel older (in a good way).

I hadn't thought about it like that, but you are right. Wow! I was thinking that when you abort a female, you aren't just eliminating her, but a future generation as well. Kind of gave me goose bumps and shivers.

Ignatz

--So basically, Cain's position on abortion is the same as Obama's.--

While I'm not sure what Cain is saying I am sure he isn't saying he's in favor of infanticide like Barry.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

And Porch, if you feel old, then I feel ancient. My Mother was conceived in Dec 1909, which means that by June of 1910, the egg that formed me was already in waiting. And waiting, and waiting, over 35 years, the poor little thing waited. LOL

Extraneus

If he was saying something else then he better call up Rick Perry for some clarification lessons.

I'm hoping that Cain flames out soon, leaving Perry with his supporters.

Watching the doofuses we're left with at this perfect opportunity to take down the left, I'm also still hoping that Sarah Palin is watching and waiting and plotting for the right moment, so don't take what I say as having any value.

But isn't there someone else who can get in at this point? I'm not too particular, really. I'd take Rubio, Giuliani, Boehner, Scott Walker, or maybe even what's his name, Mitch Daniels. Someone. This is ridiculous.

Sue

Ig,

Okay, but that isn't the question he was asked. Obama has stated he believes it is between the woman and her doctor. That is what Cain said. Personally, the issue of abortion is not what bothers me about Cain. Santorum is 100% pro life and I won't be voting for him. If Guiliani were running, I'd be happy to pull the lever for him. I just don't want to guess at his position and I sure don't want to wonder if it will be different tomorrow.

maryrose

Obama's position on abortion is the most radical possible. It's why I could never vote for him. He believes in partial birth abortion and late term abortion. He also in the Chicago senate voted against a live birth abortion repeal.

MarkO

"Anybody seen the clip of Hillary and Karzai ridiculing Cain?"

Yes. Classic Jr. High. She's just not that smart, either. When he could have her, why would Bill want anyone else?

Porchlight

But you made it, Sara!

The whole thing is just mindblowing, really, when you think of it. To speak the utterly obvious. :)

LibertyAtStake

I was perfectly fine with the "gub'ment has no place making moral decisions" message ... because it means overturning Roe v. Wade and cutting off federal funding of any kind for the procedure. Isn't that what pro-lifers want?

And do pro-lifers not trust their own capacity to persuade families and practitioners alike to forego the procedure in a free market exchange of ideas without gub'ment setting the odds? If pro-lifers seek instead to use the blunt force of government to uniformly impose their own morality the lazy way - then they are just as dead wrong as the abortion-on-demand crowd is, constitutionally.

d(^_^)b
http://libertyatstake.blogspot.com/
“Because the Only Good Progressive is a Failed Progressive”

narciso

It really is underwhelming, Ext, our expectations aren't terribly high, but can we some candidate who isn't 'phoning it in'

narciso

An interesting detail I gleaned from 'Reckless
Endangerment', the head of the agency that was berated by Barnie Frank and co, for questioning the soundness of the subprime market, Armando Falcon, started out as an aide to Congressman Henry B. Gonzalez, who in his own way, helped move the whole railroad
down the tracks,

Rocco

Hi all

Read an interesting piece by The Astute Bloggers claiming Romneycare makes Romney the best anti Obamacare candidate. Wondering if you think he has a point?

I'm not sure where the Independents are polling now but as of Oct 6th, PEW had them favoring Romney over Obama, 54%-41%.

Right now I'm holding my nose and leaning towards Mitt. I think the right will support whoever wins the nomination but I also think those Independents will make or break a win for our side. Just my 2 cents.

Ignatz

--I just don't want to guess at his position and I sure don't want to wonder if it will be different tomorrow.--

Fortunately, unlike Romney, I'm pretty sure Cain will be consistent.
Unfortunately, like Perry, I'm not sure he'll ever explain his position well enough for anyone to be sure what he's being consistent about.

Sue

Ignatz,

The explaining is what bothers me. Not the position. He doesn't seem to me to be ready for this. Being glib and winging it might get the fools in Iowa to vote for him (they gave us Huckabee, remember?) but he won't last against Obama if he can't explain his positions.

narciso

Hey, Rocco, how have you been?

Sue

Sorry. I shouldn't have said fools in Iowa. I should have been more specific and said fools in Iowa that voted for Huckabee.

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