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October 19, 2011

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Danube of Thought

I get it, CH, but I think we are talking about two different things. All I'm saying is the party itself can't be faulted for the caliber of its members who choose to seek office. If you think that caliber would have been improved by a Palin run, and that she would have run were it not for the state parties' deadlines, we simply disagree.

Ignatz

One of these days the world will be turned upside down and some mushy, middle-of-the- roader will surprise us all by governing in an unexpectedly conservative manner in contrast to the thousands of supposed conservatives who have disappointed us over the years by being more liberal once they had their hands on the levers of power.
Will MItt be that guy?
No.

Jane

AB,

Clearly Jay and I were cozied up together last night. I admit his was a much better read. Of course he got to edit.

Rse,

Thanks. The people who I hear that from are all victims of the mainstream media. They think because they read the WSJ they are absolved of their stupid prejudices. I am so sick of it. I have no idea how to combat it.

Dave (in MA)

Sue-

Even Slow Joe won the public perception against Sarah, even though he lied and made shit up. Perception. For the truly slow and those so lazy they appear slow.
I recall that the day after the debate, one of the moonbats at work was all giddy about how stupid Palin was: she thought the Taliban were in Iraq. I asked him what he was talking about. He said that she started talking about the Taliban when asked about an exit strategy for Iraq. Um, no. Let's go to the transcript... In response to a question posed by Obama hagiographer Gwen Ifill on the exit strategy,
"We'll know when we're finished in Iraq when the Iraqi government can govern its people and when the Iraqi security forces can secure its people. And our commanders on the ground will tell us when those conditions have been met. And Maliki and Talabani also in working with us are knowing again that we are getting closer and closer to that point, that victory that's within sight."
I told the aforementioned moonbat that she was talking about the elected President of the post-Hussein Iraq, not "The Taliban", but he didn't believe me. Slow or lazy, you decide. Stand up Chuck.

Captain Hate

I only used Palin as an example; the campaign season is too damn long and I hold the parties responsible. Somebody wrote an op-ed in the last two weeks iirc that said Jimmy Carter was the reason for the length by camping out in Iowa a month before their caucuses. That may well be but it's expanded significantly from that. I think having something that drawn out eliminates a lot of people from participating because of the personal and financial demands it imposes; and I'm pretty sure the Founding Fathers would be vexed by it as well.

Tammy Bruce mentioned that a bill defunding any type of F&F activity passed 99-0 in the Senate with Babara Mikulski stating that "mistakes like this shouldn't be financed" to which TB retorted that it wasn't a mistake because it did exactly what was intended.

Sue

Dave,

Exactly.

LouP

More and more, I'm thinking that our two-party system has morphed into Republicans and The MFM.

rse

Plus LUN is a reminder of the animus at Columbia towards Israel. Plus it confirms what I thought I remembered: Rashid Khalidi went to Columbia to take the Edward Said chair.

Do you think Khalidi still gets editing help from Ayers?

Will we ever hear that LA Times tape from the dinner?

I have a great way to make that point Jane. And I will happily incorporate it into a point I am making on reading generally and stealth methods of manipulation.

Jane

I think we should go back to the smoke free room, with JOMers as the deciders.

jimmyk

All I'm saying is the party itself can't be faulted for the caliber of its members who choose to seek office.

I think there's a broader question (beyond deadlines) of whether the process that's in place results in the best nominee, and by extension, the best candidates. (Ok, it's not really a question, it pretty clearly doesn't.) I could imagine another process where a strong party leadership would encourage a particular candidate or candidates to run. And where it would sponsor a forum where candidates could actually put their ideas out and not have to deal with the likes of Anderson Cooper.

jimmyk

All I'm saying is the party itself can't be faulted for the caliber of its members who choose to seek office.

I think there's a broader question (beyond deadlines) of whether the process that's in place results in the best nominee, and by extension, the best candidates. (Ok, it's not really a question, it pretty clearly doesn't.) I could imagine another process where a strong party leadership would encourage a particular candidate or candidates to run. And where it would sponsor a forum where candidates could actually put their ideas out and not have to deal with the likes of Anderson Cooper.

Jack is Back!

I agree with Clarice. He is one of those over-educated underachievers who are champions of the "oppressed' as a sideline intellectual experience. He is the leader of the OWH (Occupy the White House) movement that wants to stay there past January 2013.

Think about it, we have the same collectivist, statist mentality in both OWS and OWH. The only thing different is at OWS the "human bullhorn" are young people in the lotus position where in the OWH it is the MFM.

(Another) Barbara

Slow or lazy, you decide. Stand up Chuck.

LOL.

Your moonbat tale illustrates what I meant earlier when I said the debate winner we perceive is the person we had already decided we favor.

I moderated political focus groups for decades. Before starting we'd talk about which candidates the participants were supporting or leaning toward. After watching a debate tape, almost all of them declared the winner to be the person they had already determined they'd vote for.

We want our choices validated, so that's what we see and hear, almost no matter what actually occurred. Human nature, and likely true for thee and me too.

fdcol63

The MSM are simply the propaganda arm of the Democratic Party, whose leadership has been hijacked by radical, extreme Leftists. Whatever "conservative", "patriotic" "Blue Dog" Dems existed in the Party have been effectively marginalized and silenced.

(Another) Barbara

I think we should go back to the smoke free room, with JOMers as the deciders.

HaHa! I don't, cause that would be the end of JOM's collegiality, about as great a loss as failing to win the election. I've noted our disagreements on the merits of various candidates.

But curiosity prevails: Who do you think would emerge as our candidate, Jane? Could we reach consensus?

Sue

Is anyone listening to Mark Steyn? The caller he has on right now is hilarious. And typical.

pagar

"whose leadership has been hijacked by radical, extreme Leftists."

"radical extreme Leftists"otherwise known as the CPUSA

Porchlight

All I'm saying is the party itself can't be faulted for the caliber of its members who choose to seek office.

If the party exerted any discipline over the primary process, perhaps better quality candidates would run. As it is one has to have an enormous amount of money to burn through just to stay alive until New Hampshire. This favors the establishment guys and the self-funded. Palin thought she could make a late entry but it didn't work out (thanks to primary schedules being bumped up and likely other factors). There are other examples, I'm sure, but the point is, these ridiculous schedules are going to have an impact on candidate quality.

Where does it end, if the party doesn't put a stop to it? Primaries occurring fully a year before Election Day, with candidates announcing campaigns right after the midterms?

Sue

Good grief, I'm glad I watched NCIS last night instead of the debate. Sean is playing a segment involving Romney and Santorum. Yikes. If the Romney/Perry fight was anything like that one...doomed is the only word I can think of.

Jane

But curiosity prevails: Who do you think would emerge as our candidate, Jane? Could we reach consensus?

WEll first of all that should have read "smoke filled room" sheesh.

I think we could reach consensus and I don't think it would be Romney. The one thing going for us is the tremendous regard we have for each other's opinion (with some very minor exceptions).

Wanna try?

MarkO

Studpid, messy democracy. Be gone, Satan.

MarkO

What. excatly did my keyboard mean with "Studpid"? Off to the horse.

(Another) Barbara

"Wanna try?"

Sure, Jane, but only if we can smoke. I haven't had a cigarette for 15 years and lighting up one or two would be mighty fine.

pagar

Typepad apparently is determined to stop all discussion of "Net Neutrality" so if you want to see the link go to the Big Government.com site and look for the article -- it was the 3rd one down as you downpage a minute ago.

"And Net Neutrality may very well be the least popular of President Obama’s myriad fiat jobs. Ninety-five 2010 Congressional candidates signed a pro-Net Neutrality pledge, and all ninety-five lost. That helps explain why Congress has never given Net Neutrality a vote or why President Obama’s FCC rushed to ram it through just after this 0-for-95 election.

The FCC is determined to implement it by czar degree. None of the debaters last night seem to care. Getting rid of the conservatives will, of course, free up a lot of space for Obama's reelection messages.

JM Hanes

Jane:

WEll first of all that should have read "smoke filled room."

I thought you were making a nifty little joke!

JM Hanes

"Typepad apparently is determined to stop all discussion of "Net Neutrality""

Afraid this one's not a conspiracy, pagar. A bunch of us have been stymied over all sorts of links (and I'm getting Captcha screens galore). You can still go the LUN route though.

Jane

Nope, not me JMH. There are many things that can bring out the smoker in me, and IIRC you are one of them.

And we need a deadline, cause without it we will never get there.

(Another) Barbara

And you've already biased our smoke-free or filled room, Jane, by saying that Romney won't emerge as our candidate. Well, I say he will.

Hey, pass me a ciggie, will you?

Thomas Collins

These days, if it's smoke filled, it would likely have to be a street corner (at least in cities in the northeast).

JM Hanes

I think we'd end up with Perry, if we were confined to the current contenders.


NK:

"Bam will successfully throw Holder under the bus."

Obama would deep six everybody in his administration except ValJar, before he'd get rid of Holder.

BB Key

Jane, Is that your ABO sticker being advertised on Drudge ?

Clarice

Smoking..YUMMY..

henry

pagar, the net neutrality may be a case of Google flavored cronyism. Lots of crossover between them and WH staff.

JM Hanes

If they did a better job of picking viable candidates in the smoked filled rooms of yore, maybe the smokers among us should decide.

Jane

I didn;t see it there BB - I wish it was tho.

AB, you think we at JOM would decide on Mitt? Really? Other than Sara I thought everyone hates Mitt.

I agree with JMH's assessment on Holder. Something tells me he has an awful lot on Bambi. I think he would get rid of Michelle before ValJar.

narciso

It was a good episode, too, with reference to those Hezbollah, that Biden swore we kicked out of Lebanon, Thank you for reminding me about Said, Clarice, and his protege Khalidi, but yes that also formed his mindset.

Danube of Thought

the campaign season is too damn long and I hold the parties responsible

Now I get it, and I think you're right. And Porch, too.

The only tool I'm aware of that's available to the national party in dealing with the primary schedule is that of declining to seat delegations that defy the party's will, but in the past that hasn't worked to well.

As for particular debates, I simply don't know who decides what debates will take place. If MSNBC announces that it will hold a debate next month, what's stopping all the candidates from saying "we don't like your format, and besides we're too busy, so shove it." I think the national party is pretty much powerless in that process.

narciso

Yes, Florida lost half their delegation, thanks to that stunt, which made the whole
exercise at least partly academic.

Captain Hate

Hezbollah, that Biden swore we kicked out of Lebanon

Iirc we had help from France & the UN, two entities that are synonymous with projecting power in the ME.

Appalled

Dang -- it's sure smoke filled in here. Somebody call Mayor Bloomberg!

NK

JMHanes-- why special treatment for Holder? The only ones he talks to are Val Jar Jar, Mooshell, and when he absolutely has to Axelrod and Daley to learn about whitey voters. Holder seems as out of the loop as everybody else.

centralcal

Someone mentioned MSNBC? Well guess what - Lawrence O'Donnell's ratings are so bad that they are taking away his 8PM time slot and moving him back to 10PM. Sgt. Schultz will move in at 8PM! Re-arranging the deck chairs - lol!

Jim Miller

Those who hate Mitt -- a group that does not include me -- will want to wallow in today's Maureen Dowd column.

(I don't hate any of the Republican candidates; in fact I don't even hate Obama, in spite of extreme provocation. I just think that he should take Econ 101, and that he should learn how to be an effective community organizer before he aspires to a higher job.)

Melinda Romanoff

c-cal-

Olberdummy is down to 46,000 viewers.

centralcal

You can add my vote to the Perry column. After all this is the JOM primary. As to what happens in the real state primaries, who knows?

(Smoke filled instead of smoke free - woo hoo!)

Captain Hate

cc, the witness protection network is moving Special Ed to prime time? I would think that Bathtub Boy would be chortling except he can only dream of the ratings that got Excitable Larry moved.

centralcal

I know! Isn't it divine Mel? I guess Jennifer Granholm who they just hired as his lead-in will have her work cut out for her. snort.

narciso

Hectoring, humorless and self important, who would have thought that wouldn't go well, I'm speaking of O'Donnell,

narciso

btw, since the other thresd seems to be ghost town, an update on the story out of San Antonio:

http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/10/19/courthouse-arrests-in-san-antonio-terror-plot-or-stupid-prank/#comments

Danube of Thought

In the name of God, we are simply governed by fools:

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) on Wednesday indicated Congress needs to worry about government jobs more than private-sector jobs, and that this is why Senate Democrats are pushing a bill aimed at shoring up teachers and first-responders.

"It's very clear that private-sector jobs have been doing just fine; it's the public-sector jobs where we've lost huge numbers, and that's what this legislation is all about," Reid said on the Senate floor.

So the federal treasury should be raided to subsidize improvident, reckless state governments that can't fund their public services. And of course, every one of those public servants is unionized, and will simply launder a portion of this tax money back to their benefactor, the Democratic party.

Captain Hate

Is Granholm using her media perch to do the type of revising of her record that Slick has been up to recently; like with that "the Republicans didn't get me to do anything different" garbage that completely ignores the multi-vetoed welfare reform. Since Jennifer has no economic success to fall back upon, no matter how much based on a dot com bubble, I guess it's good she's starting early.

Sue

Breaking hard, or at least twitter is all atwitter...Energy Department altered Solyndra documents.

Captain Hate

So the federal treasury should be raided to subsidize improvident, reckless state governments that can't fund their public services.

Or even worse, local governments. I guess since Reid was re-elected last year, that gives him the short straw to put a happy face on everything El JEFe is trying to ram through, figuring that voters dumb enough to have re-elected him will have forgotten this crap in 5 years.

Clarice

Wow, Sue. I haven't seen that anywhere else. If true, that's explosive.

JM Hanes

Ya gotta wonder what it takes to get Eric Holder to read a memo:

Grassley noted that Attorney General Eric Holder denied more than recent knowledge of the operation before Congress in May, even though "I personally handed him two letters about the issue" on January 31st, 2011

centralcal

Sue - it is a CNBC piece about DOE press releases being altered months after being published on the internet. DOE is blaming an outside contractor who maintains the website, naturally.

Sue

Clarice,

I'm trying to find actual articles. Twitter is going nuts with it but little facts, just that Energy altered docs. Will link when I find something useful.

narciso

Didn't somebody tell them '1984' is a cautionary tale, not a how to guide

centralcal

Here is the link:

Energy Department Altered Solyndra-Related Documents

Sue

C-cal,

Yeah. Someone finally posted that it was from CNBC and it was press releases being altered on the web. Probably not as big a deal as I originally thought.

Sue

I was just about to post a link. Thanks.

Sue
n the April case, the Department of Energy loan programs office announced in a press release on April 12 "conditional commitment" to a $1.187 billion loan guarantee to support the California Valley Solar Ranch project, which it said was "sponsored by SunPower Corporation."

But that release was later changed on one website to say the project was "sponsored by NRG Energy." The date on the release remained "April 12, 2011."

The two companies are closely linked. Just before the announcement of the loan guarantee in September, NRG completed its long-in-process acquisition from SunPower of the same California Valley Solar Ranch project that had received federal support.

Is this a big deal or is twitter bored?

centralcal

It is so sad when narcissists lose their mojo and the adulation of the masses. Seems Obummer is really, really tired after his 3-day luxury bus trip per Politico:

"All of us I think are mindful of the fact that the economy is not where it needs to be," he said, somewhat robotically.

Gone were the fiery tones, the slight southern twang, the rousing mock-outrage at balky Republicans back in unlamented Washington. Even the applause at the event, piped in live to the White House, sounded a little listless.

Was it the rain? The repetition? The junk food? Also noteworthy: Obama started his remarks a few minutes early -- an almost unheard-of punctuality for the chronically tardy president. The pool report also noted that he spoke without a teleprompter. In any case, it may not bode well for his stamina with a long, difficult campaign ahead, if Obama was indeed worn out after three days on the bus.

Sue

Speaking of twitter, has anyone seen TopsecretK9?

daddy

"yes they needed the Libby scalp, and they got it
by hook or by crook,"

Update on the investigation into the corrupt prosecutors in the Ted Steven's Case:

Federal prosecutor in Stevens case returns to corruption unit.

narciso

Wasn't one of the interesting things about SunPower, were some of the stockholders like
French energy giant Total?

fdcol63

Quick! Someone call Winston.

pagar

Speaking of "Screwed up?"
The LUN mentions a e-book that is available for the Kindle at Amazon, so I went to Amazon. It mentions some highlights.

"Put simply: the entire planet is in a tizzy because of a United Nations report."

"What most of us don't know is that, rather than being written by a meticulous, upstanding professional in business attire, the Climate Bible is produced by a slapdash, slovenly teenager who has trouble distinguishing right from wrong".

"This expose, by an investigative journalist, is the product of two years of research. Its conclusion: almost nothing we've been told about the IPCC is true."

In other words, We have another huge fraudulent coverup from the UN.

Recommend buying the book.

Dave (in MA)
Someone mentioned MSNBC? Well guess what - Lawrence O'Donnell's ratings are so bad that they are taking away his 8PM time slot and moving him back to 10PM.
My enjoyment of the new "Homeland" series produced by some of the the people who did "24" was diminished a bit when, in the most recent episode, the "journalist" who showed up to interview the main character was Scary Larry himself.
narciso

Here's one story, about it, long before it became big news, in the LUN

centralcal

Speaking of twitter, has anyone seen TopsecretK9?

Sue, I checked her Twitter feed and she last posted 22 hours ago.

Clarice

It doesn't seem a big deal to me.

Janet

And we need a deadline, cause without it we will never get there.

Pretend it is the last minute.

Ignatz

--My enjoyment of the new "Homeland" series produced by some of the the people who did "24" was diminished a bit when, in the most recent episode, the "journalist" who showed up to interview the main character was Scary Larry himself.--

The doofus was on Monk a couple of times in bit parts.
Unless the script calls for a wooden Indian can't imagine why anyone would hire the dope.

centralcal

If anybody cares, the ratings for last night's debate have posted. It drew 5,468,000 viewers per TVNewser (or 639,000 less than the FNC debate that had the highest ratings so far). I note their write up refers to viewers not households, for DoT.

MayBee

Lawrence O'Donnell lives in LA, so it's probably just easy to hire him when they need a national journalist for a role. It's him or Pierce Morgan.

JM Hanes

NK:

"JMHanes-- why special treatment for Holder?"

They're ideological twins, and I think Holder started working his way into the inner circle during the campaign, when Obama brought him on board to advise on the VP search. I believe they actually talk to each quite a bit, and in the I've-got-your-back department, Holder has got the kind of official reach that even ValJar can't muster. Add in the importance of DoJ litigation (both pursued and abandoned!) to Obama's extra-Congressional agenda, and Holder has got to be his most valuable player.

JM Hanes

O'Donnell probably sells himself cheap too.

Melinda Romanoff

JMH-

ValJar's MVP. iBama doesn't "do" the heavy lifting.

Jane

I asked this earlier with no response so I'm wondering if anyone else has seen anything about Indiana voter fraud scandal. I was listening to talk radio coming back from an appointment and a caller said all references to it had been scrubbed on order of the WH. My own search earlier produced nothing.

What I was most interested in was the guy who reported it, who apparently worked on Obama's election and is a student at Yale.

Clarice

I have seen it , Jane and I doubt the WH had the power to get it "scrubbed". The last article on saw on it--I think yesterday --noted that the Dem on the board who approved the petitions had resigned his post.

Search thru Lucianne .com
s search feature and I', sure you'll find who published the story.

JM Hanes

Clarice:

Anytime you're looking around for Sunday inspirations, this has got to be rich fodder for something! Joe Biden pitches the President's jobs plan to 4th Graders, "Class Warfare" in Alana Goodman's amusingly titled column.

Melinda Romanoff

Lake County, IN, Jane?

I remember reading about it back in the day.

centralcal

Welcome back, MayBee! How did the mosaic at the bottom of your pool turn out? Tasteful? Hope you remembered to wear lots of sun screen :)

Ignatz

--They're ideological twins, and I think Holder started working his way into the inner circle during the campaign, when Obama brought him on board to advise on the VP search.--

Perhaps even more important than ideology is Holder has demonstrated himself to be a brazen "fixer". What does a Chicago ward heeler need more than a shameless thug to fix every inconvenient scandal and disagreement that rears its head?
And what is a corrupt president most threatened by?
An AG with integrity.
So I'm figuring Eric is looking pretty secure in his little sinecure.

Melinda Romanoff

Ah, new one.

Thanks, Clarice.

Charlie (Colorado)

It freaks me out to see the signs, not in English and Spanish, but totally in Spanish, of the businesses.

You know what'll really freak you out, Sue? A lot of those signs have been that way for 50 years or more. Is that foresight or what?

narciso

This is a story about the official who resigned


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/66227.html

Sue

A lot of those signs have been that way for 50 years or more.

Really?

Clarice

Thanks, jmh..I'll seing on over for a look.

Sue

How many of them Charlie, have been that way, in Farmers Branch, for 50 or more years? When you say lot, do you mean 2, 3, 4? Or block after block? Just so I know for future freak out and all.

Charlie (Colorado)

Hard to say for sure since I haven't been in that area in years, Sue. But you really should be aware that there are great parts of Texas (just like there are great parts of Colorado, New Mexico, and Arizona) where Spanish is many people's native language, spoken by people whose families have been in that geographical area since it was New Spain.

Sue

Great. Now Charlie is going to lecture me on Texas and Hispanics. Well, at least that will keep him from lecturing someone else for a little while.

centralcal

Don't count on it, Sue!

Janet

Jane, here is a FB link to a video about the voter fraud.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

As to primary deadlines: I think you must have a certain amount of signatures and money to get on any of the state ballots. So, for someone to get in late, who doesn't already have a large war chest and a large following, the odds of qualifying are cut way down.

As to smoke-filled rooms of JOMers. Perry would be the last to get my vote. I would go for Romney, Cain, or Newt.

henry

Quick update for Jane: the GAB says the WI recalls round 2 will be based on current district lines, not the 2012 lines from redistricting. That means more campaigning in Dem areas (cities of Racine & Kenosha) than if the 2012 lines are used. Walker is pushing more tort reform this week-- including caps on attorney fees. The trial lawyers are going ballistic.

narciso

I don't know if this bit from the Tapper piece, has been posted yet,


Well what we've gotten done I'm enormously proud of and it's making a difference, and in some cases we've had a chance to actually work with the Republicans. When they show themselves willing to actually engage to try and get stuff done, then we can do a lot of good for the country.

Jack is Back!

When I got out of the Air Force in 1969 I spent a few months at my Mother's house in Miami. It was there I saw my first "We Speak English" sign in a store front.

Jim Miller

Here's my post on the 2008 Indiana primary scandal.

As I said in the post, I don't think it says much about Obama or Clinton, but it does show -- again -- how vulnerable our election systems are to fraud.

The fraud occurred in St. Joseph County, which is part of the mostly rural 2nd district.

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