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October 10, 2011

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Rob Crawford

Not sure if you're suggesting the current occupant [snip] is the result of an overly selective process.

Him, and Bush, and Clinton, and Bush -- all the results of the same process. Professional politicians. People who made stealing from the producers to give to the eaters their life's work.

Two of them called it "progressivism", two of them called it "compassionate conservatism".

Primary criteria for me is executive experience, secondary is talking the right talk, tertiary is not being part of the machine. Cain scores highest of those running, Perry a distant second. Romney is only a hair more acceptable than Huntsman.

None of them are guaranteed successes. Any (all) of them could just be another part of the machine, or be powerless to overcome the inertia.

We have to gamble; the "safe" bets will be just more of the same. If we get more of the same, we're done. Frankly, I think the odds are we're done either way, because I don't think the eaters will go quietly or calmly out of power. That's what the OWS circus is about -- working the troops into a frenzy. One of the guys in New York is walking around with a fake head on a pike, and some of the behind-the-scenes motivators are talking about more marches on private homes.

They're doing their damnedest to start the violence -- they thought they could goad the simple-minded redneck Tea Partiers into it, or just gin up a sufficiently believable story about it. That didn't work, so now they've turned to their most reliable troops -- the Black Bloc and the drug-heads and the "anarchists". As a final back-stop they have race riots -- a Democrat specialty since 1866!

It could be I'm entirely too pessimistic. We could just as easily be headed into a new golden age -- the oil shale deposits, for example, could bring in another wave of affordable energy to let us grow again.

But are we going to get a chance? The man who said he'd bankrupt anyone who tried to build cost-effective energy sources is still chief executive. With a single executive order -- which, as far as can recall, Bush never rescinded -- Clinton locked up billions of tons of coal. What will Obama do on his way out?

Will we elect someone with the fortitude to change the course? Someone who isn't beholden to the same old crowd? Someone who will hear from a staffer "it's not the law, it's just how it's done" and fire them on the spot?

Jim Miller

Not sure just how hard domestic cats work; according to Wikipedia, they average 13-14 hours of sleep a day.

(I believe most others in the cat family have similar predispositions to spend most of each day asleep.)

Rob Crawford

The next one may as well be demagogued for actually being a conservative.

The next Republican president will be attacked for being male, speaking English, declaring his allegiance to the US, etc.

Danube of Thought

"since you state that you scroll by my posts, it's hard to imagine you could know anything about me or my purpose for being here."

What I stated is that I scroll by the bulk of them, as soon as I recognize their source. My exposure is sufficirnt to inform me that you never express or defend a view of your own, and that you seem to enjoy taking up a lot of space.

Cecil Turner

If he runs on 9-9-9, he has to pass 9-9-9. (Or at least give it a very hearty try.) And he can't pass it--even though it might work--which just makes it worse. At which point his presidency is hobbled before it ever begins, at the worst possible time for our nation's fiscal health.

And I suspect every candidate with legislative experience knows it can't pass (and that you can't pass a law that says "this law takes a 2/3 majority to modify"). Which also points up Cain's weakness as prospective "chief legislator."

Benjamin Franklin

DoT;

If your 'dinner table' analogy has any application to this environment, it would behoove you to have PRIVATE discussions with those of like mind, at a literal dinner table. This place, for all intensive purposes, is a PUBLIC place, and has been deemed as such by our Host, TM.

Sorry, but this isn;t your personal Country Club where you can blackball new members, or force them to use a privy suitable to their political leanings.

Danube of Thought

"Sorry, but this isn;t your personal Country Club where you can blackball new members"

But it is certainly a place where I can request, and at leat hope to expect, common courtesy.

Not sure if you are aware of this, but many dinner party conversations occur in PUBLIC places.

And I belong to know country club.

Cecil Turner

Primary criteria for me is executive experience, secondary is talking the right talk, tertiary is not being part of the machine.

Our criteria are not so different (though I would add a "government" to the executive experience bullet, and suspect you might not agree). I disagree Cain is better than Perry (in fact, I don't think he's close). He could be with a little seasoning. YMMV (and probably does).

Rick Ballard

CT,

If he's actually running for VP with Romney, he can run on no homework and better cafeteria food. His "refusal" to consider the VP slot if Perry heads the ticket suggests a stalking horse, not a true candidate.

(Another) Barbara

Here's the right link from A(B) -- I think:

Thank you DrJ. How embarrassing. I previewed my post and had the correct link to Kevin Williamson LUNed, but then went back and corrected a typo in my text and Mark Steyn slipped back in.

(Sigh) Mark Steyn always slips back in. And get yer hands off him, Jane. I"m sure I was first!

Rob Crawford

Which also points up Cain's weakness as prospective "chief legislator."

That's not the president's job. Not even the same branch.

At which point his presidency is hobbled before it ever begins, at the worst possible time for our nation's fiscal health.

That happens anyway, because he has an 'R' after his name.

Frankly, we're going to need a fighter, willing to fight a desperate fight. Odds are that will happen legislatively -- but they're also damned strong that will happen literally.

PD

DoT must've "struck a nerve," to use a phrase normally tossed about here in a fatuously self-congratulatory manner.

Benjamin Franklin

"Not sure if you are aware of this, but many dinner party conversations occur in PUBLIC places."

Your point is well-taken. I promise not to 'shout' when i post so as to not disturb the people at the other table. OK?

Rob Crawford

though I would add a "government" to the executive experience bullet, and suspect you might not agree

Depends on how much they did to go-along and get-along. That's one reason Romney -- such a creature of the machine that he was acceptable to the International Olympics Corruption, er, Committee -- ranks so low.

Danube of Thought

I think that, a year from now, the informed electorate will be quite certain that beginning in 2013 both houses of the congress will be controlled by the GOP. They will then have to decide whether they want at least two, and possibly four, additional years of an obstinate, peevish, unbending Obama still insisting on his failed leftist agenda, knowing that not one whit of it will be enacted.

Even Michelle Bachmann would win.

Cecil Turner

That's not the president's job. Not even the same branch.

You might want to research this one. I didn't coin the term.

Rob Crawford

DoT must've "struck a nerve," to use a phrase normally tossed about here in a fatuously self-congratulatory manner.

No, he's giving it what it craves.

Threadkiller

My super liberal friend confirmed my thought on the gratuitous "Tea Party" comparison to the crockupy clowns. She now believes the Tea Party behaved exactly the same. I asked her to find some videos that prove her belief. Her mind is made up, so I won't hold my breath.

Ranger

And he can't pass it

I'm not convinced that is true. If he campaigned on 9-9-9 and won, then he would have a clear mandate to push it. Members of the congress would have to make a convincing argument or reasonable counter-proposal. Cain's victory itself would change the political dynamic.

Benjamin Franklin

Whether it's ok or not, that's all I'm going to give. So, respond, or don't respond. It won't deter, or ameliorate the opinions I will share.

Try reading what i say, sometime.

Rob Crawford

You might want to research this one. I didn't coin the term.

I think it's a bullshit term, regardless of its pedigree. It's based on the veto and calling Congress into special session -- neither of which can actually move legislation. And since the only time Congress isn't in session anymore is when they're out campaigning, he's really limited to the veto.

(Oh, and "influencing his colleagues in Congress" -- meaning the same corruption that got us where we are today. Yay! More scratch for Barney Frank's latest lover!)

Danube of Thought

"No, he's giving it what it craves."

Perhaps so, and if my doing so has contributed to his continued boorish abuse of this forum I am indeed sorry. I would very happily take part in a universal pact to narcisolate, isolate and ignore him, but I think we have seen that, as with all cartels, someone invariably ducks out, and the fat's in the fire.

At the moment I am appealing to whatever sense of courtesy and restraint he might have.

Rob Crawford

Frankly, the first bill I want to go through the next Congress is the "Omnibus Repeal of Every Bill Submitted by Ted Kennedy Act of 2013".

Imagine the bullshit that would clear out of the way...

Rob Crawford

At the moment I am appealing to whatever sense of courtesy and restraint he might have.

With most of a decade's experience I can say with absolute certainty he has almost none.

Captain Hate

Professional politicians. People who made stealing from the producers to give to the eaters their life's work.

There was a clip on the local news of a Kucinich "town hall" on some layoffs at Metro General hospital in his cesspool of a district. Apparently the problem has been caused by uninsured people being treated with minimal reimbursement from the county. So what was the ugly little gnome's statement: Cleveland Clinic isn't doing enough to serve the deadbeats. It's always about demonizing the other for somebody who has never done a thing to help the economic development of his area.

Charlie (Colorado)

9% VAT, right? That means Californians will pay close to 18% sales tax in addition to State and Federal Income Tax.

Read the whole plan: it includes winding down income tax.

Jim Ryan

to whatever sense of...he might have

I realized recently that it is futile to hold screwed-up people to reasonable and acceptable standards of behavior. It's like trying to teach your dog Latin. Instead, it is better to do without them (narcisolate, divorce, what have you.)

Captain Hate

Joe the Plumber has filed papers to run as a Repub for the US House in the redrawn Ohio district 9 which will stretch from Toledo to Cleveland and will pit Marcy Kaptur and Kucinich in the donk primary. It's really too bad both of them can't lose the primary.

Cecil Turner

If he campaigned on 9-9-9 and won, then he would have a clear mandate to push it.

He can push all he wants. Have you seen the polls on raising taxes on millionaires? Do you think the Dems and MSM can't make hay out of a GOP plan to raise taxes on the (poorest) 50% of the electorate? And add a (horrible, regressive, fat cat subsidizing) sales tax on top of it . . . and then cut corporate taxes by 26%?

Obama is so weak we could probably run almost anyone against him and win. (Though he's got a lot of money, so it will probably be a mudbath before it's over.) But how do you think the new guy'd look six months after election, with his unpopular signature bill stalled in the Senate, daily excoriations on every editorial page, and plucky courageous Democrat "lions" standing up to him? Hell, I could run the Dem side of that mid-term campaign, and I don't agree with 'em on anything.

I'd love to be proved wrong on this one, but I don't think there's much chance of it.

MarkO

In about 1969 I first read Garritt Hardin's "The Tragedy of the Commons," a book most of you have also read. While his theory has proven true in the physical world, we also see it at work on this limited space with the inclusion of one who fails fully to respect any reasonable boundary. It's not my digital park and I would not likely ban him because of my strong feelings that censorship is the flavor of the month, every month for Obama and the Progressives. Thus, I ride hard the other direction.

We can, however, learn the lesson of the Tragedy by observing Ben-Dana, whose stubborn refusal to admit the obvious disqualifies his purported credibility on any topic he raises. To be fair, however, he seems not to have original thoughts, only the tools of consumption, used to foul our tiny commons. That is the work of an anarchist.

Such a person should realize, however, that those here, whose space has been marred are likely to fight back, and not just on this, our commons.

Charlie (Colorado)

Regulations are a part of living in an organized culture.

But over-regulation can make it impossible to do thingsin that organized culture. What's worse is that with sufficient regulation -- which we've got at this point -- it becomes impossible to satisfy all the regulations, and the ability to continue to live in that organized culture becomes a matter of having enough friends, and/or paying enough baksheesh, to protect yourself against the regulators.

Ask anyone who tries to do business is Chicago: this is not an abstract or academic possibility.

Army of Davids

If it's not Cain/Rubio...I'd love to see a Cain/Coburn ticket.

Charlie (Colorado)

My exposure is sufficirnt to inform me that you never express or defend a view of your own, and that you seem to enjoy taking up a lot of space.

Um, I don't think that's true -- he's certainly expressing a view by his choice of C&P targets; one can infer, eventually, what he's trying to say.

It's a notably boring and inefficient way, though. I'd rather see a two line comment in first person that 200 lines of c&p text.

MarkO

"one can infer, eventually, what he's trying to say."

He's just not the New Yorker circa 1977. Too much work.

Charlie (Colorado)

At the moment I am appealing to whatever sense of courtesy and restraint he might have.

It might work better if you didn't insist on whacking him with a cricket bat every time you do.

Army of Davids

On Dingy San Fran Nan Pelosi's lie about Emmanual Cleaver being spit on.

This episode illustrates the Saul Alinsky level of deceit of the Democratic leadership.

Pelosi had a choice.

She could 1) take the tunnel to the capital underneath the Tea Party folks gathered to protest the monstrous stupidity that is ObamaCare.

or she could 2) Bring John Lewis and Emmanual Cleaver on a giddy stroll through the Tea Party crowd hoping that maybe one protestor of the monsterous stupidity that is ObamaCare would over-react....and then the racist smear would be complete.

The folks were disciplined.

But Pelosi needed to keep the smear campaign alive so she lied.

Charlie (Colorado)

He's just not the New Yorker circa 1977. Too much work.

Wow. Just imagine if you'd gotten to the next line, where I make exactly that point.

MarkO

"It might work better if you didn't insist on whacking him with a cricket bat every time you do."

And, of course, we should have been nicer to the Mohamatans. If DoT has such power over Ben-Dana, it's not apparent from the history here. Ben-Dana does exactly what he thinks an anarchist would do to this site: make a mess and make the folks here fight among themselves.

In every fight, the craziest person will win.

Charlie (Colorado)

In every fight, the craziest person will win.

Gee, Mark -- like Ronald Reagan with the USSR? FDR and Hitler? The Continental Congress and George III?

Danube of Thought

"It might work better if you didn't insist on whacking him with a cricket bat every time you do."

I am certain that it wouldn't, and in any event I would never give up the eminently enjoyable bloodsport of the cricket bat. Although my bat of choice would be one from our national pastime.

MarkO

Well, Chuck, everyone realizes you read faster than the rest of us. Of course, as is your unfailing, but rude habit, you insinuate that I didn't read it and only parroted your priceless comment. A close reading of your text reveals that it says whatever you later claim it to say.

Stunning.

Let's look. You say: "It's a notably boring and inefficient way, though. I'd rather see a two line comment in first person that 200 lines of c&p text."

You argue that his method is flawed; I argue that it isn't worth the effort. Exactly the same thing. Damn. I missed it.

Chaco, I enjoy most of your eomments, here and elsewhere. A defense of the defenseless is not something I absorb easily.

Charlie (Colorado)

If DoT has such power over Ben-Dana, it's not apparent from the history here. Ben-Dana does exactly what he thinks an anarchist would do to this site: make a mess and make the folks here fight among themselves.

I dunno, Mark. Dana seems to be making some effort, and also seems to respond reasonably when I address him reasonably, even if sharply.

Maybe a little application of Proverbs 15 is in order?

Charlie (Colorado)

Chaco, I enjoy most of your eomments, here and elsewhere. A defense of the defenseless is not something I absorb easily.

Practice.

MarkO

Chaco, you clearly don't know the character and mind of those who actually fought as opposed to those who took credit. Crazy is not the same as irrational. I'm certain you have been in some street fights in your day. If so, you'll understand what I said. If not, it can remain a matter of deep theory.

Charlie (Colorado)

I'm certain you have been in some street fights in your day.

More of them than I'd like to admit. Like most people, around the time I got my first brown belt (there are several downsides to being the odd outlier) I kinda liked bar fights.

If so, you'll understand what I said.

Oh, I understood fine. It just doesn't stand up to experience or careful examination.

MarkO

"Practice"

I will leave to you a acquisition of a useless and harmful talent. There is a glorious grandiosity in the notion that Ben-Dana responds only to your soothing touch. You have to be smarter than that, don't you?

If not, you can practice being smarter.

Danube of Thought

"Just imagine if you'd gotten to the next line, where I make exactly that point."

Let me get this straight: "It's a notably boring and inefficient way, though"
makes exactly the same point as "he's not the New Yorker circa 1977."

Wow. Just imagine if you didn't have a lust for boorishness.

Charlie (Colorado)

Of course, as is your unfailing, but rude habit, you insinuate that I didn't read it and only parroted your priceless comment.

Well, I guess I'd grant the possibility you didn't quite follow it; that seems to fit with the following comment.

Charlie (Colorado)

Wow. Just imagine if you didn't have a lust for boorishness.

Y'know, DoT, I'm trying to get across that you and several other people start being pricks to Ben etc right when he starts trying to be reasonable.

One might suspect that what you really do want is to just have a continuing, contentious pissing match, and can't actually stand it when he tries to calm down.

It ain't my holy book, but Proverbs 15 really does have some good advice.

Assuming it's not actually your goal to keep the fights going, by hook, crook, or cricket bat.

MarkO

"Well, I guess I'd grant the possibility you didn't quite follow it"

That's a wonderful defense you carry with you and your belts. It must be so burdensome to be the smartest person in the history of yourself.

I admire you in a clinical and wonderfully distant manner.

Danube of Thought

"I'm trying to get across that you and several other people start being pricks to Ben etc right when he starts trying to be reasonable."

Fair enough. For my part, I'm trying to get across generally that long experience has persuaded me that every foray by Ben into reasonableness is merely prelude to the next outburst of crudity, vulgarity and abuse.

But my more immediate point is that, apart from reasonableness, the man is simply harming this place as a discussion forum by sheer volume. And I think that is, at bottom, simply rude.

Danube of Thought

"One might suspect that what you really do want is to just have a continuing, contentious pissing match, and can't actually stand it when he tries to calm down."

One might, but one would be dead wrong. I don't care whether he's calm or frothing at the mouth. All I want is that he not take up such a wholly disproprtionate share of the space on this forum.

But when I get back to my compuer I will narcisolate the fool. I will then leave it to you and others to engage with this troubled man.

Guest

The 9% business tax is not an income tax. It is "Gross income less all investments, all purchases from other businesses and all dividends paid to shareholders."

Gross income less purchases from other businesses looks like value added, so this is really a value-added tax with deductions for investment and dividends.

Threadkiller

That would mean our current system is a VAT?

DebinNC

Speaking of street fights, I was checking the local Craigslist for local OWS call-outs and saw this under "activities":

"Honestly just looking for someone to get in a decent brawl with. No serious injuries or anything like that, just looking for a good, fair fight. I'm 215lbs, 6'0", average build. Let's do this."

Takes all kinds I guess.

Threadkiller

I thought I pulled that add.

(Another) Barbara

Ben/Cleo/Dana comes here for the same reason the rest of us do: it's the smartest and funniest blog extant, with the most interesting people participating. That he perches here continuously, hour after hour, day after day is all the evidence needed. Any "mission statements" he authors are a burlesque. His mission is to be a central part of this group, no matter what dishonor it requires. Support him or resist him, it doesn't matter. He's getting exactly what he needs: the attention of those he admires and loves.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

GFY, Dana. No one cares what talking points you're cutting and pasting today.

Give it a rest Rob.

He was quoting from the Union Tribune and there are many concerned about this problem. Just because you aren't, either critique the article or keep your stupid mouth shut. What do you contribute here besides constantly making asinine remarks against Ben whether he is posting or not.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

-1 DoT

Same ol' Same ol' DOT, you really need to update your schtick.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

For my part, I'm trying to get across generally that long experience has persuaded me that every foray by Ben into reasonableness is merely prelude to the next outburst of crudity, vulgarity and abuse.

But my more immediate point is that, apart from reasonableness, the man is simply harming this place as a discussion forum by sheer volume. And I think that is, at bottom, simply rude.

Really DOT. Do you truly believe this? I seriously doubt it.

You, Rob, and MarkO make discussion nearly impossible. Your constant sniping and whining against Ben/Dana and others you don't agree with turns my stomach and I'll bet there are others who aren't willing to speak up and be treated to a dose of more of the same from you.

What is worse is you admit you never read anything he posts. Although I find some of it crazy and not to my taste or politics at all, I also find others quite informative and educational. I, for one, am very happy he posted about the prison guards and their union as I was listening to a discussion by two men on this very subject today and had no idea what they were so up in arms about. Now I know.

Try reading something before you pass judgement.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

One might suspect that what you really do want is to just have a continuing, contentious pissing match, and can't actually stand it when he tries to calm down.

That is exactly what he and a few others want, no suspicion about it.

Elliott

9-9-9

Showing that, in Austrian, it is the "Party of No."

Threadkiller

Has he made amends for this comment?

" Clarice;

I would call you a cunt if your prolapsed vagina had the capacity for womanhood. Go to the Senior Center and get some free Advil for your miserable decaying carcass, then gargle with razor blades.

Posted by: That crazy Bitch from Nevada | October 18, 2010 at 10:27 PM"

Sorry to repost that Clarice. I just want everybody to be clear on the capacity of this guy.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Um, I don't think that's true -- he's certainly expressing a view by his choice of C&P targets; one can infer, eventually, what he's trying to say.

Is he? I used to post lots of links to things that had nothing to do with my own point of view. They were posted for imparting information, sometimes to laugh at, sometimes to agree with, sometimes just because I personally found it interesting and thought others might to. I didn't add my own take to many of them simply because I thought they stood on their own and that the people who are regular here are smart enough to see that. I'm beginning to think they all suffer from some kind of long term memory deficit, except where Dana is concerned, because I and others have been attacked for something that is so opposite to anything else that has been posted over many many years that you would think they would either get the irony or at least question their first take based on how well they've learned where a person is coming from in the past.

I don't think Ben/Dana is anywhere close to being an anarchist, although he may have made anarchy a focus of study. To me, he seems more interested in the psychology of politics and what it says about individuals, groups, etc. I don't know him any better than anyone else here does, so I may be as wrong as I think DOT is, but I'll bet I'm closer, even if not directly on the mark.

That he is indoctrinated in leftist/liberal thinking, I agree. Look at the schools he has attended and his ultimate profession, how could he hope to be otherwise. And yet for years, he has chosen JOM as his blog home.

He has apologized for being a jerk years ago and I think he has shown more restraint than I've been able to muster at the constant insults daily thrown his way.

Extraneus

I thought I pulled that add.

LOL

Sara (Pal2Pal)

At the moment I am appealing to whatever sense of courtesy and restraint he might have.

Why should he do what you will not? I appealed to you for weeks to stop with threatening his employment and you just ratcheted it up. I have appealed to you with ad hom attacks and first you deny you do anything such thing and then you ratchet up.

JM Hanes

"It might work better if you didn't insist on whacking him with a cricket bat every time you do"

LOL, Chaco! You do realize how ironic that advice is coming from Mr. Planks & Mules, himself, don't you? :-)

mockmook

Arghhhhh!!!!!!!!

On the Golf Channel, one of the idiot hosts just said something like "'So-and so' may be the only person who is happy when he hears Clarence Thomas' name."

Can't I watch anything on TV without lefty politics being assumed as correct and shoved down my throat?

Please get these ignorant, bigoted, yahoos off my TV!!!!!

Thanks for letting me vent...

mockmook

In every fight, the craziest person will win.

Gee, Mark -- like Ronald Reagan with the USSR? FDR and Hitler? The Continental Congress and George III?

Posted by: Charlie (Colorado) | October 10, 2011 at 11:57 PM

Good ol' chuckles; always the literalist, the pedantic. Never heard of hyperbole. Never heard of 'rule of thumb'.

Clarice

Hmm, I'd forgotten about that one.

It does seem to me, contra Sara, that Dana does wish to disrupt the conversations going on here and does love the attention he gets. I generally ignore him but he does deserve a slap on the knuckles when he is monopolizing the threads with innumerable lengthy C & Ps --a sort of online temper tantrum, I think. And he does deserve to be chastised for the nasty posts he makes from time to time like the 2010 one. The rest of the time, I just ignore him,

Janet

Whatever happened to Responsibility To Protect (R2P)? The Christians in Egypt look like they could use a little protection.
Was Samantha Powers on the MFM circuit begging for us to help the Christians?

Janet

Free download from Hank Williams Jr.
Keep The Change

Porchlight

Obama is so weak we could probably run almost anyone against him and win.

I guess Palin was the "almost" in "almost" anyone. She could not have won, we were told.

Hard for me to see how she is any more of a long shot than Cain, but what do I know.

Porchlight

He has apologized for being a jerk years ago

I must have missed that.

BR

Good morning, everyone :)

Porchlight

Column in the NYPost confirms what the White House Insider has been saying for weeks:

Aimless Obama Walks Alone

BR

Ha, it works both ways, doesn't it, Porch. He may be cutting off the Cabinet and other important briefers, but all the better, this way he can't leak any more US secrets. Maybe HE's been cut off.

Clarice

BR, did you have to post that? MMMMM

Clarice

How many "years ago" was Oct 2010?

DebinNC

DC and NYC have extended by months squatter permits for the OWSers. Atlanta authorities don't seem as welcoming. There a leader asked the 100 campers how many were willing to "become" arrested. Few hands were raised, and a number of people folded their tents and departed. At some point the effect of mounting costs of police overtime and the lack of police response elsewhere will become an issue.

Danube of Thought

Sue, your boys are looking mighty strong. That's quite a lineup they've put together.

Jack is Back!

Porch,

Palin knows she could win, hands down. But she also knows it would take a toll on her family and herself from a hateful and spiteful media. Remember what she went through in Alaska from those ethics charges and hearings. It would only be worse on a national basis. There is no way the alternate media, Washington Times, Fox News and National Review could make it all feel better. If you love your family more than anything else then it was a good call.

Porchlight

BR,

Sadly I'm sure he still gets briefed and has access to all the info. Not that he understands it. The minders are far more dangerous than he is.

Jack is Back!

DoT,

Wait until Hamilton decides to start hitting.

BR,

Are you in the Maldives? Didn't think they had WiFi there.

Jim Ryan

9-9-9 is prima facie kooky because it would appear that the three digits are the same for marketing reasons. But even if it can't get passed, the general idea of 9-9-9 is reasonable and moreover Cain's specific reform isn't the point. The point is that he intends to reform the government, as opposed to fighting rearguard against Obamacare, and deep reform is both necessary and passable. A Cain would be game to eliminate departments, pass flat tax or Fair Tax, and so forth. The alternative of a POTUS who doesn't lean so far forward but only tosses out remarks about executive orders that would make the conservative base say "Look! Shiny!" is not good enough.

Porchlight

I'm with you, Jack Is Back. I think she made the right call. Just frustrated/dejected at a Palin-less field. People will be wishing she'd run before it's all over.

Extraneus

I think BF deserves credit for sticking to one name. He knows that this allows people to narcisolate him, yet does so anyway as a courtesy to the group. And just for that, I haven't narcisolated him. (Although I do skip the C&P posts.)

Jane

Same ol' Same ol' DOT, you really need to update your schtick.

So do you Sara. So do you.

BR

Have you ever heard of coconut sugar? It's the greatest nutritional news - 16 amino acids, 13 minerals and 12 vitamins! LUN.

(Read past the first paragraph, one doesn't have to cut into the tree like rubber sap, it's from the flowers - sugar blossoms.)

jimmyk

All I want is that he not take up such a wholly disproprtionate share of the space on this forum.

Then why not narcisolate? As far as I can tell, what takes up a disproportionate share of the space is not his posts (which I never see), but all the meta discussion. I am even reluctant to add this one post except in the vain hope that a few more people will stop cluttering the group with this discussion.

Clarice

I wish a candidate would push for zero based budgeting--instead of each dept just taking last year's budget and tacking a certain percentage onto it for the next year's budget, I'd like them start at zero and decide which programs and operations are vital and which can and should be scrapped or reduced.I don't see how you can make a dent in the overlarge bureaucracy otherwise.

DebinNC

And I'm with you on Cain, Jim Ryan. Tonight's debate is pivotal. If Perry doesn't do very well and present a viable economic plan beyond "Look at Texas", the Cain Train will really pick up steam. Johnson won't be there, but somehow Huntsman will.

narciso

Fox News, really when have they been on her side, and National Review, please, I still recall when they asked her 'to leave the room' during the death panels debate, then they ran a cover on the topic, that was just two years ago. To defend one's self
against the most heinous of charges, was considered 'whining' as I recall from the same source, I think she did ultimately intend to run, but between the slander by
McGuinness, and the attack on her oldest
daughter, she decided ultimately with a heavy heart, why bother,

BR

Hee, Porch, you know all those redacted memos Holder is putting out on Fast and Furious, well, two can play that game :) And Obama wouldn't even know what's been redacted.

Jim Ryan

Occupy Charlottesville is born! They're going to meet in front of City Hall. A melange of the latte left and the face-pierced left, no doubt.

centralcal

Well said, Jane!

Also, extremely wise comment by jimmyk.

BR

Oh, now I'm having really having fun. Taking it a step further, I can just see him giving his next press conference, the Martians have landed, read straight from a NSC briefing.

Thomas Collins

On my walk from South Station, I noticed that the original tent city across from the Boston Fed is still going strong, with Boston Police officers in their usual discussions with certain of the Occupy Boston folks. Consistent with the press reports, I noticed that the new tent city, which had been forming in the Pearl Street to Oliver Street part of the Rose Kennedy Greenway, has been shut down. There are now gates blocking access to that part of the Greenway.

It seems as if the City of Boston has cut some sort of a deal with the organizers of the original tent city. My suspicion is that the original tent city is being managed by Dem/public union operatives, and that the other tent city wasn't as well connected (thus the arrests by the Boston Police early this morning).

DebinNC

And there's a Senate vote on Obama's so-called jobs bill tonight...or maybe it's a vote on whether to vote. Reid needs all 53 Dems and 7 Reps, but already Lieberman, Manchin, and NE Nelson are reported as definite nos.

Appalled

Occupy Atlanta is still in place, as the local police decide not to provide fodder for the CNN morning news. It's damp and chilly here today. We'll see how many stick around.

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